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Title: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 22, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
So, it's been fun digesting The Golden Road.

Where do I go next?

I have a CDR copy of So Many Roads while I wait to find a regular copy at a reasonable price.

I was thinking that Bob Weir's Ace would be a good one to get next, as I understand that it's early 70s Dead in all but name.

But then what?  There's so many live releases!  My preferences are for songs over jams.

Let me know what you recommend.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 22, 2010, 03:42:55 PM
I suppose you really need the next box set to get a complete overview of their flawed but fascinating studio collection.

As for live, the thing about the Dead is its all 'out there'...legally...or virtually all of it is.

Think of a year and start listening (http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead Audience recordings downloadable, soundboards streamable)

I guess, given your 'songs not jams' comment your best bet is probably to start with 1972, oft mentioned as their best year.  Otherwise, just chose a year and see what you think.  Even the later years have got some peaks (but a hell of a lot of troughs too)....

Go on...test that 'improper download usage' on your internet connection to the limit  :)

Bon voyage.

ps And So Many Roads is an, imho, awesome overview of the band....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 22, 2010, 03:48:11 PM
Thanks, David, I thought I'd be hearing from you.   ;)

1972, eh?  Noted.

From slightly earlier, I noticed that Three From The Vault was touted as having very good sound, and the tracklisting looks solid.  Heard that one?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on February 22, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
Ace is excellent!

I guess it all depends on how deeply you want to dip your toe in the waters. As you know, I am new to some of this stuff myself and have looked at the bewildering array of archive releases and really don't know where to start or whether I have got the time or energy to be bothered.

But... This is where I came in and if you like the more structured stuff I think you will enjoy it. In the Dark is the band's late flowering classic. The Arista Years 2 disc set is a great sampler. Without A Net is a funky late era live album and I am quite fond of From The Mars Hotel which sits between all the stuff you have just listened to and the ones I have mentioned above.

Me? I'm saving up for Beyond Description, the sister set to The Golden Road covering the later period. On sale now at Amazon at a similarly tempting price. Oh dear!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 22, 2010, 03:54:22 PM

Thanks, David, I thought I'd be hearing from you.   ;)

1972, eh?  Noted.

From slightly earlier, I noticed that Three From The Vault was touted as having very good sound, and the tracklisting looks solid.  Heard that one?

Jules


Yes, of course...Feb 19 '71...it's a classic show...one of my faves...and some 3 minute tracks amongst the 20 minute noodles!

Disc One

   1. Two Ditties: "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" (Friend, Franklin), "Spring Song" (Mendelssohn) — 1:19
   2. "Truckin'" (Garcia, Lesh, Weir, Hunter) — 8:09
   3. "Loser" (Garcia, Hunter) — 6:23
   4. "Cumberland Blues" (Garcia, Lesh, Hunter) — 4:58
   5. "It Hurts Me Too" (James, Woodbridge) — 6:10
   6. "Bertha" (Garcia, Hunter) — 5:21
   7. "Playing in the Band" (Weir, Hart, Hunter) — 5:14
   8. "Dark Hollow" (Browning) — 3:15
   9. "Smokestack Lightning" (Burnett) — 14:42
  10. "China Cat Sunflower" (Garcia, Hunter) — 3:24
  11. "I Know You Rider" (traditional, arranged by Grateful Dead) — 7:02

Disc Two

   1. "Greatest Story Ever Told" (Weir, Hunter) — 4:22
   2. "Johnny B. Goode" (Berry) — 3:26
   3. "Bird Song" (Garcia, Hunter) — 7:04
   4. "Easy Wind" (Hunter) — 8:17
   5. "Deal" (Garcia, Hunter) — 4:22
   6. "Cryptical Envelopment" (Garcia) > "Drums" (Kreutzmann) > "The Other One" (Weir) — 16:09
   7. "Wharf Rat" (Garcia, Hunter) — 9:08
   8. "Good Lovin'" (Resnick, Clark) — 18:43
   9. "Casey Jones" (Garcia, Hunter) — 5:00


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 22, 2010, 04:02:48 PM
Well, while I will never deny the staggering wealth of great songs the Dead unearthed, if you are investigating the Dead from that perspective u will see only the faintest glimmer of their unfurled majesty. However if I were to point, say a CSN fan such as yourself into the gentlest yet most representative Grateful Dead avenue it would be the 1980 Radio City Live Reckoning, Jerry and Bob acoustic, Mickey and Bill stripped nearly nekkid, denied the use of their handsome beast apparatus. I suppose I would point to either a JGB band live cd or Ratdog live before Ace. Doubtlessly in the years Ace was out of print it was the most desired of the solo releases, and is nearly front to back, as was Garcia first, stuff that became the cornerstone of the Dead's repertoire, in fact the back up band on most of Ace is the Dead. But the thing that made the Dead fly higher even than the Beatles or Jimi just isn't the songs per se, they were sort of a roadmap with directions in the lyrical content.  For instance the Dead happens in that moment at the end of the Playing in the Band lyric, usually where Phil hits a subsonic note and the floor is removed from beneath your feet, and presto, Golden Gate Park 67, Dizzy Gillespie playing along with them, (unknown to them) from the audience at the Human Be In, smell of the eucalyptus trees, insense, probably pathitouli  oil on the way into forever, always was, always will be for real. I suppose I would need to stick your ass in the Greek Theatre on a sunny Saturday or Alpine Valley or many places in order to " get IT", fairly rare is the person who can find that on their own, and of course that opportunity ceased to exist long ago. I suppose I bought that original catalogue years ago out of obligation as much as wanting it, and these days the very best of their efforts, save for the milestone live performances that have been pulled from the net, is available for free at any number of outlets, I suppose for immediate use the Internet archive would be a good place to look, not to mention David Gans storehouse of Grateful Dead hours, a show now 25 years old.
Noodling, I can think of no more insulting word to the Grateful Dead, I mean was Michael Jordan noodling when he was dribbling?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 22, 2010, 04:09:44 PM


Noodling, I can think of no more insulting word to the Grateful Dead, I mean was Michael Jordan noodling when he was dribbling?


It's just a word...no need to get offended on the band's behalf.  And boy, do I hate basketball  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on February 22, 2010, 04:14:48 PM



Noodling, I can think of no more insulting word to the Grateful Dead, I mean was Michael Jordan noodling when he was dribbling?


It's just a word...no need to get offended on the band's behalf.  And boy, do I hate basketball  ;D


Precisely. If Ken Hom was noodling I don't think anyone would complain!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 22, 2010, 04:19:48 PM
Its just that no other word has been used as often in dismissing the Grateful Dead as noodling, with apologies to tie dye which I can absolve myself from having never worn one. Grateful Dead had some mighty close friends in that basketball world, notably Bill Walton and Phil Jackson and much of the Dead's aesthetic can be found in the way Phil Jackson's method of coaching of the whole working toward the common good. I would never dismiss a sport, for instance I find futbol boring, but I realize I just don't get it, and after a lifelong appetite for baseball, football, basketball and hockey there is little room left on the sports plate.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on February 22, 2010, 04:21:04 PM

Noodling, I can think of no more insulting word to the Grateful Dead


Thanks, it's good to have that one in the locker.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on February 22, 2010, 04:25:21 PM

Grateful Dead had some mighty close friends in that basketball world, notably Bill Walton and Phil Jackson and much of the Dead's aesthetic can be found in the way Phil Jackson's method of coaching of the whole working toward the common good.


It is interesting that you should say that. I have just read a review on Amazon where the author was talking about using The Grateful Dead as an example of teamwork for his office colleagues for precisely that reason.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 22, 2010, 04:32:11 PM
Yeah, Walton is even on the board of their Rex Foundation, the philanthropic arm, and has seen them something like 800 times, while still having time to be one of the most exquisite and cerebral basketball players ever, sorry to break it into black and white, but even if u only have a scant knowledge of basketball, u may have noticed that most of its greatest practitioners are of African descent, Walton was certainly one of the greats, without a doubt one of the greatest white players, and, along with Phil Jackson, one of the leagues first hippies. I had the small honor of having Bill come stand next to my English Caroline and I for the encore at one of the Frost Amphitheater shows in 4/85, at 6 feet 11 he was of course not hard to spot.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 22, 2010, 04:33:02 PM

Its just that no other word has been used as often in dismissing the Grateful Dead as noodling, with apologies to tie dye which I can absolve myself from having never worn one. Grateful Dead had some mighty close friends in that basketball world, notably Bill Walton and Phil Jackson and much of the Dead's aesthetic can be found in the way Phil Jackson's method of coaching of the whole working toward the common good. I would never dismiss a sport, for instance I find futbol boring, but I realize I just don't get it, and after a lifelong appetite for baseball, football, basketball and hockey there is little room left on the sports plate.


Believe me, I like noodling.. :)  If you really want to know about noodling in a negative sense, listen to some of the 90's shows...which often seem to be all about fitting as many notes as you can into a certain length of time...and the two drummers get extra negative points for this (some 90s drum and space routines should for ever be consigned to the pits of hell).  But, hell, I'm a fan, and have been for 30+ years since I first heard Scarlet Begonias at the age of 12.  They're as much if not more a part of my life than any other band that's ever existed, and if I was never able to hear anything by anybody else other than them for the rest of my days, I'd be more than happy....

As for basketball, didn't some (eastern European?) country once wear tye-dye colours in the olympics because the coach was a Deadhead?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 22, 2010, 04:39:33 PM
Yeah, 92, the Lithuanian team, a move orchestrated by Walton who outfitted them in tie dyed uniforms, and they turned around and beat the allegedly unbeatable Americans! It was possibly 88 I forget. It was touching that they requested the American's shoes at the end of the game as they could not afford such things, whereas the NBA guys get new ones every game if they want. Eastern Europe has done much to reteach us our own game, with its emphasis on teamwork as opposed to showmanship and gimme the ball, they have been a real boon to both basketball and hockey in North America. Highly recommend Phil Jackson's book of about 20 years ago called Sacred Hoops. I have to say if you missed out on Michael Jordan the basketball player, not the guy used to sell product, you missed out on the closest thing to Jimi Hendrix since Jimi Hendrix, I will define that no further.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 22, 2010, 04:45:00 PM

Yeah, 92, the Lithuanian team, a move orchestrated by Walton who outfitted them in tie dyed uniforms, and they turned around and beat the allegedly unbeatable Americans! It was possibly 88 I forget. It was touching that they requested the American's shoes at the end of the game as they could not afford such things, whereas the NBA guys get new ones every game if they want. Eastern Europe has done much to reteach us our own game, with its emphasis on teamwork as opposed to showmanship and gimme the ball, they have been a real boon to both basketball and hockey in North America. Highly recommend Phil Jackson's book of about 20 years ago called Sacred Hoops. I have to say if you missed out on Michael Jordan the basketball player, not the guy used to sell product, you missed out on the closest thing to Jimi Hendrix since Jimi Hendrix, I will define that no further.


And a great idea it was too.  Allegedly.   ;D

The pic is from '96 I think...'92 was the time they won the Bronze...



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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick on February 22, 2010, 04:51:30 PM


I mean was Michael Jordan noodling when he was dribbling?


Ok, I'm now laughing but for reasons few would understand ... Hee Hee!

I lived in California for a few years in the mid-90s. When I arrived, I knew nothing about the country's various sports stars but I did see, on all major TV channels, this guy who used to advertise underpants. He had the catchphrase "I'm Michael Jordan... And you've been briefed"

So, with that in mind, was he noodling when he was dribbling?  ???  :o  :D Actually, I don't want to know!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 22, 2010, 04:54:29 PM


Its just that no other word has been used as often in dismissing the Grateful Dead as noodling, with apologies to tie dye which I can absolve myself from having never worn one. Grateful Dead had some mighty close friends in that basketball world, notably Bill Walton and Phil Jackson and much of the Dead's aesthetic can be found in the way Phil Jackson's method of coaching of the whole working toward the common good. I would never dismiss a sport, for instance I find futbol boring, but I realize I just don't get it, and after a lifelong appetite for baseball, football, basketball and hockey there is little room left on the sports plate.


Believe me, I like noodling.. :)  If you really want to know about noodling in a negative sense, listen to some of the 90's shows...which often seem to be all about fitting as many notes as you can into a certain length of time...and the two drummers get extra negative points for this (some 90s drum and space routines should for ever be consigned to the pits of hell).  But, hell, I'm a fan, and have been for 30+ years since I first heard Scarlet Begonias at the age of 12.  They're as much if not more a part of my life than any other band that's ever existed, and if I was never able to hear anything by anybody else other than them for the rest of my days, I'd be more than happy....

As for basketball, didn't some (eastern European?) country once wear tye-dye colours in the olympics because the coach was a Deadhead?
I will agree to disagree about your assessment at least of the Drums aspect of the Drums Space section, finding that to be DEAD wrong, however once Jerry started using all that new technology that supposedly sounded like flutes or various other instruments I will agree the space section suffered after 89. Even after 90 I can thing of no other act that is filed under rock that could have summoned to their stage as playing participants Ornette Coleman, David Murray and Branford Marsalis. Yeah I know Branford played with Sting along with his bad ass buddies Kirkland and Tain Watts, but not like THAT.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 22, 2010, 06:40:28 PM
Sh!t - I turn my back on you guys for 2 hours and suddenly you're talking about basketball?!?!

[taps gavel on wooden desk]

Back on topic, gentlemen, please!  (And yes it is the first time I've ever said that here!)

 :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on February 23, 2010, 08:46:46 PM
As incredible as it may seem, Grateful Dead have completely passed me by. So it is a genuine request, and I'm ready and prepared to receive the deluge, can anyone suggest a good CD/LP as a good starting point. Note, I can't afford to go out and buy loads, so I'm wanting to spend my money wisely.

So it's, at least for me, not where next, but where to start...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: koho (Koen) on February 23, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
A fairly safe place to start are the albums Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. To gently dip your toes in. Even if The Grateful Dead end up not really being your thing, these two albums might still be works you'll return to.
Me, I seem to be among the very few who really like (most of) the album Terrapin Station. Always been mightily in love with the epic title track, though live it's way more awesome than the studio version which is kinda overproduced.
To equally gently dip your toes in live work, try the triple Europe '72.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 23, 2010, 09:09:51 PM

As incredible as it may seem, Grateful Dead have completely passed me by. So it is a genuine request, and I'm ready and prepared to receive the deluge, can anyone suggest a good CD/LP as a good starting point. Note, I can't afford to go out and buy loads, so I'm wanting to spend my money wisely.

So it's, at least for me, not where next, but where to start...


American Beauty.  And then either Grateful Dead (aka "Skull & Roses", live 1971) or Live '72 to see if you dig the live stuff.  And then Workingman's Dead for your next studio purchase.  Get those four and either stop or continue.   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: frogcrutches on February 23, 2010, 09:12:16 PM




 Get those four and either stop or continue.   :)

Jules

Sound advice. ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: koho (Koen) on February 23, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
PS
I currently stare blankly at the rows of Dead albums in my collection - I have them all, though the last 3-4 years of releases have passed me by. Indeed, where to start? That's a good question.
Studio: I stand by what I say above.
Live: er, um, well. I often return to '72 and '77 shows on the whole, more than other years. But there are so many releases: which live highpoints are on which CD? It's been a while since I had a long Dead phase ('tis time for one actually). Maybe, live, you're better off getting advised on years rather than albums. For instance, I like 1972. Rockin' The Rhein and Hundred Year Hall are excellent live 72 albums in addition to earlier mentioned Europe '72.
Oh, and should you like Workingman's Dead and American Beauty, do try the debut album by close cousins New Riders Of The Purple Sage. Same era and comes from the same womb, with several key Dead members having been a member in its pre-debut album stage. And it features Jerry Garcia.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 23, 2010, 09:19:33 PM
It would be ever so much easier to say which ones to stay away from, though certainly even their worst have some merit. Stay away from Aoxomoxoa, Shakedown St., Terrapin Station, Steal Your Face and their last one where they have the deck of cards, name escapes my mind. Before anyone comes rushing to the defense of say, Aoxomoxoa much of it is taking up by drek such as Whats Become of Baby. BTW many would include Go to Heaven and the big one with Touch of Grey on it as ones to stay away from, i would not. The Touch of Grey one, In the Dark that was it, is merely guilty, along with MTV's Day of the Dead of opening the door to Metallica fans and mallworld from which the Dead "scene" was dealt a mighty blow to the group mind, simply, most people don't behave and many ended up in prison including the not guilty, that new wave never got "it" and were there for their belligerent party, essentially peeing in what in many aspects had been a place of group worship and life celebration, and not necessarily of the band itself .  And doubtless many of the ones I mention as ones to stay away from include material that fleshed out in live performance become real milestones, god knows Terrapin Station was, but the albums were not really happening, it is a correct and long held opinion of thousands at least that the Grateful Dead is something that happens in real time and cannot be accurately captured under glass as it were. I would so heartily recommend a visit to any of the following sites, sugarmegs, internet archive, the grateful dead hour, dead to the world, or the deads own site where freebies are regularly available. If you are from France maybe glom onto some of their French shows, I know they did one I think at a castle in Dijon in 74 before maybe 200 people, all dosed including the band, I recall that was a good one. I am pretty sure last time thru Paris they played quite well, in 90, though David MJS may disagree :-* Beware though, people who end up liking the Dead usually don't like them just a little, unless they are approaching the band thru the familiar American Beauty or Workingman's Dead corridor, nice albums though they may be, they speak more to the mindset of the Band  or CSNY filtered thru the Grateful Dead prism. I always find a gentle, if not particularly representative starting point to be the double live largely acoustic Reckoning from 80. So there.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on February 23, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
That sort of narrows things down a bit... lol


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 23, 2010, 09:31:35 PM

Stay away from Aoxomoxoa, Shakedown St., Terrapin Station, Steal Your Face and their last one where they have the deck of cards, name escapes my mind. Before anyone comes rushing to the defense of say, Aoxomoxoa much of it is taking up by drek such as Whats Become of Baby.


However the rest of Aoxomoxoa is a great document of their early trippy style.  I was much impressed by the album.  It's dense and certainly not easy listening, but to tell someone to stay away does the record a serious injustice IMO.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 23, 2010, 10:07:02 PM


Stay away from Aoxomoxoa, Shakedown St., Terrapin Station, Steal Your Face and their last one where they have the deck of cards, name escapes my mind. Before anyone comes rushing to the defense of say, Aoxomoxoa much of it is taking up by drek such as Whats Become of Baby.


However the rest of Aoxomoxoa is a great document of their early trippy style.  I was much impressed by the album.  It's dense and certainly not easy listening, but to tell someone to stay away does the record a serious injustice IMO.

Jules
I, and far more importantly, the band, would dispute that claim, indeed it includes the milestone that is China Cat in a form slightly lame as compared to nearly any of its live performances, including poor interpretations of what became quality live tracks in the form of Mountains of the Moon and Cosmic Charlie. Forgot to mention Rosemary, also in the running for their worst track ever, and one, like What's Become of Baby were never afforded the dignity of a live performance, best kept a secret. The best example, right down to the tantric cover of their early psychedelic style, if it absoloutely has to be a studio record, is Anthem of the Sun, pretty nearly flawless Grateful Dead front to back, probably my favorite of any of their standard releases, and again, don't ask me, ask the band and people for whom the Grateful Dead have been upwards to a 45 year way of life. For everyone? Of course not. The Rolling Stones sound guy Dave Hattinger tried to be the producer of Anthem of the Sun and when, on top of all the other weirdness going on, Weir requested the sound of "thick air", (they had actually recorded the sound of both the desert and downtown LA to try and acheive this effect on their own)Hattinger threw up his hands and ran from the studio screaming, never to return. Surely out of the amount of money and time I have spent in support of the Grateful Dead I am entitled to a "serious injustice" uh, guvnor. After all its just an opinion then innit?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
The Further Tour has been absolutely wonderful.  Saw them in Asheville NC a couple of weeks ago.  The guitarist from DSO is doing the trick for 'em.  They sound like the Dead again!  Thomas Wolfe Auditorium is only a 2300 seater, so it felt a lot more like '77 too - except for the ticket price ($83 vs $6!!)

If you haven't gotten the movie soundtrack from the Winterland '74 shows, that's a definite must.  David's right about '72 - any show from the Europe or the US Fall tour from that year will reward you well.

You can pin me down on a show here and there after '81, but........life's too short to sort through most of that stuff.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 12:41:21 AM

The Further Tour has been absolutely wonderful.  Saw them in Asheville NC a couple of weeks ago.  The guitarist from DSO is doing the trick for 'em.  They sound like the Dead again!  Thomas Wolfe Auditorium is only a 2300 seater, so it felt a lot more like '77 too - except for the ticket price ($83 vs $6!!)

If you haven't gotten the movie soundtrack from the Winterland '74 shows, that's a definite must.  David's right about '72 - any show from the Europe or the US Fall tour from that year will reward you well.

You can pin me down on a show here and there after '81, but........life's too short to sort through most of that stuff.  
I don't know how many shows u saw after 81 Wiley but I saw about 90 and I would mark in real time live performance their live "batting average" was never higher or more reliable than 83 thru 90. People reflexively mark 69, 72 or 77 as their peak, all excellent choices but the sophistication of their level of improvisation got ever higher, although with wide open favorites like Dark Star, New Potato, Born Cross Eyed regrettably put into dry dock, occasional appearances from Dark Star but sometimes as many as five years in between, all Jerry's idea. Yep, that part was Jerry's fault. One happy development over their last 15 years or so is their catalogue became so large that in those years you would never see a song played more that once every four shows, with always a surprise or two popping up, like Death Don't Have No Mercy being brought back after 20 years in 89, I think the same night Dark Star made its first reappearance since the show at the Greek I saw in 84, it was greeted like the Ark of the Lost Covenant being brought in the arena, that was the night I think in Charlotte when they had billed themselves as the Warlocks, their original name, to ward off the aggressive party creeps who had bulldozed their way in, leaving garbage in their wake. Prior to that when the Dead left towns after 3 or 4 day runs parking lots would be clean and local opinion was very positive, man did that change.
But man are u spot on in recommending that October run at Winterland in 74, especially considering the sound monstrosity it was upon original release as Steal Your Face in 75 or 6. The sound on that re release is so good as to be astonishing, and the animation sequences in the movie from a guy named Gary Gutirez, who remarkably was not even a Deadhead is well worthwhile, as well as the 2 year olds dancing on the stage. Only the Grateful Dead.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 07:45:59 AM

It would be ever so much easier to say which ones to stay away from, though certainly even their worst have some merit. Stay away from Aoxomoxoa, Shakedown St., Terrapin Station, Steal Your Face and their last one where they have the deck of cards, name escapes my mind.


Some may not be surprised to know that little list includes, imho, 2 of my favourite Dead albums  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 09:18:51 AM

I, and far more importantly, the band, would dispute that claim


Oh I never let an artist's opinion of their own work get in the way of the truth.   ;)

But yes, I agree that Anthem is the better album of that period.  I was just saying that Aoxomoxoa is no slouch.  It is, however, a difficult word to type.   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on February 24, 2010, 09:38:29 AM

Auxomoxoa It is, however, a difficult word to type.   :o

Jules


As you have just proved!  ;D

I couldn't agree more with not taking artist's opinion of their own work at face value. If we did that there would have been no need for Dylan's Bootleg Series albums. This is a man who thought that Blind Willie McTell was somehow not good enough or not appropriate to be included on Infidels and therefore didn't release it at all for over a decade!

Back on topic and following on from the discussion in Listening To, I would like to point out that I am far too young to have had the benefit of seeing Grateful Dead live.  ;D

Actually I did have one opportunity on their last visit to the UK. I intended to go but to my eternal regret I didn't make it. The received wisdom is that "live" is their real constituency and you can never get the full effect from the records but the records are all I have to go on. Like Jules, I prefer the more structured song based stuff and my first encounters with the Dead were their 80s material, which I like, so that inevitably colours my approach to their ouevre. So, for example, at the risk of speaking heresy, I admire Dark Star more than like it but my first response to it was that it was more jazz than rock. On the other hand I love extended workouts on Truckin' or Terrapin Station or One More Saturday Night.

But live or on record, I don't think I would ever enjoy drum solos!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 09:50:57 AM


Aoxomoxoa It is, however, a difficult word to type.   :o

Jules


As you have just proved!  ;D


I don't know what you're talking about.  [innocent whistle]

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I couldn't agree more with not taking artist's opinion of their own work at face value. If we did that there would have been no need for Dylan's Bootleg Series albums. This is a man who thought that Blind Willie McTell was somehow not good enough or not appropriate to be included on Infidels and therefore didn't release it at all for over a decade!


Indeed.  There's dozens of examples with Bob.  Artists are not always their own best editors or critics.

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for example, at the risk of speaking heresy, I admire Dark Star more than like it but my first response to it was that it was more jazz than rock.


And at the risk of further heresy, I think Live/Dead was the CD I enjoyed least in the entire Golden Road box, for similar reasons.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 24, 2010, 10:31:33 AM

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, I admire Dark Star more than like it but my first response to it was that it was more jazz than rock. !
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Allegedly based on Miles Davis' "So What?"  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
While I have never heard or read that the opening notes are not dissimalar, while not being the out and out copying that Steely Dan did with Horace Silvers Song For My Father. Not surprisingly all the Dead but particularly Lesh are massive Miles fans and had the very frightening, to them, experience of having Miles Bitches Brew band open for them at the Fillmore West. Miles had the kindest things to say about the Dead but Steve Miller also on the bill, Miles said, "is a no talent mf." Not a fan of Steve Miller but I kinda felt bad for him.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 12:59:37 PM

Not surprisingly all the Dead but particularly Lesh are massive Miles fans and had the very frightening, to them, experience of having Miles Bitches Brew band open for them at the Fillmore West. Miles had the kindest things to say about the Dead but Steve Miller also on the bill, Miles said, "is a no talent mf." Not a fan of Steve Miller but I kinda felt bad for him.


Neil Young & Crazy Horse were on the same bill, and I think Miles gave them the thumbs up too.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 01:03:43 PM


The Further Tour has been absolutely wonderful.  Saw them in Asheville NC a couple of weeks ago.  The guitarist from DSO is doing the trick for 'em.  They sound like the Dead again!  Thomas Wolfe Auditorium is only a 2300 seater, so it felt a lot more like '77 too - except for the ticket price ($83 vs $6!!)

If you haven't gotten the movie soundtrack from the Winterland '74 shows, that's a definite must.  David's right about '72 - any show from the Europe or the US Fall tour from that year will reward you well.

You can pin me down on a show here and there after '81, but........life's too short to sort through most of that stuff.  
I don't know how many shows u saw after 81 Wiley but I saw about 90 and I would mark in real time live performance their live "batting average" was never higher or more reliable than 83 thru 90. People reflexively mark 69, 72 or 77 as their peak, all excellent choices but the sophistication of their level of improvisation got ever higher, although with wide open favorites like Dark Star, New Potato, Born Cross Eyed regrettably put into dry dock, occasional appearances from Dark Star but sometimes as many as five years in between, all Jerry's idea. Yep, that part was Jerry's fault. One happy development over their last 15 years or so is their catalogue became so large that in those years you would never see a song played more that once every four shows, with always a surprise or two popping up, like Death Don't Have No Mercy being brought back after 20 years in 89, I think the same night Dark Star made its first reappearance since the show at the Greek I saw in 84, it was greeted like the Ark of the Lost Covenant being brought in the arena, that was the night I think in Charlotte when they had billed themselves as the Warlocks, their original name, to ward off the aggressive party creeps who had bulldozed their way in, leaving garbage in their wake. Prior to that when the Dead left towns after 3 or 4 day runs parking lots would be clean and local opinion was very positive, man did that change.
But man are u spot on in recommending that October run at Winterland in 74, especially considering the sound monstrosity it was upon original release as Steal Your Face in 75 or 6. The sound on that re release is so good as to be astonishing, and the animation sequences in the movie from a guy named Gary Gutirez, who remarkably was not even a Deadhead is well worthwhile, as well as the 2 year olds dancing on the stage. Only the Grateful Dead.


I can give you a nod for some great shows in '83 and '84.  Garcia looked like death warmed over but he still had some chops left.  After the coma in '86 though, I feel his playing never truly recovered, although he was listening and paying more attention during '89 - '91.  However, if you think the shows between '85 and '88 were better than, say, '79 thru '81, you were on better drugs than me during that time - and that's saying a lot! ;)

The Warlocks show was Hampton - Fall '89.  And it was spectacular for Attics of My Life and the return of Help-Slip-Franks as well.  I was there, "starry-eyed and laughing."  

Being at the Greek in '84 must have been transcendental when they broke out Dark Star for the encore, but when I listen to it, the Bird Song they played earlier in the run was far more exploratory.  

By the same token, even the longer later Dark Stars were tedious, confused and not extremely interesting.

Yes, I'm a horrible snob about it all.  I'm sorry.

Now, Raymond, I would assume you were at the Uptown shows in Oct. '80, right? That Playing-Comes a Time-Playing out of Drums has always been one of my all time favorite Dead moments!!! ;D





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 01:37:00 PM



Yes, I'm a horrible snob about it all.  I'm sorry.



Lol.  Don't worry about it...that's a tag that would stick to most of us, I guess  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 02:49:00 PM



The Further Tour has been absolutely wonderful.  Saw them in Asheville NC a couple of weeks ago.  The guitarist from DSO is doing the trick for 'em.  They sound like the Dead again!  Thomas Wolfe Auditorium is only a 2300 seater, so it felt a lot more like '77 too - except for the ticket price ($83 vs $6!!)

If you haven't gotten the movie soundtrack from the Winterland '74 shows, that's a definite must.  David's right about '72 - any show from the Europe or the US Fall tour from that year will reward you well.

You can pin me down on a show here and there after '81, but........life's too short to sort through most of that stuff.  
I don't know how many shows u saw after 81 Wiley but I saw about 90 and I would mark in real time live performance their live "batting average" was never higher or more reliable than 83 thru 90. People reflexively mark 69, 72 or 77 as their peak, all excellent choices but the sophistication of their level of improvisation got ever higher, although with wide open favorites like Dark Star, New Potato, Born Cross Eyed regrettably put into dry dock, occasional appearances from Dark Star but sometimes as many as five years in between, all Jerry's idea. Yep, that part was Jerry's fault. One happy development over their last 15 years or so is their catalogue became so large that in those years you would never see a song played more that once every four shows, with always a surprise or two popping up, like Death Don't Have No Mercy being brought back after 20 years in 89, I think the same night Dark Star made its first reappearance since the show at the Greek I saw in 84, it was greeted like the Ark of the Lost Covenant being brought in the arena, that was the night I think in Charlotte when they had billed themselves as the Warlocks, their original name, to ward off the aggressive party creeps who had bulldozed their way in, leaving garbage in their wake. Prior to that when the Dead left towns after 3 or 4 day runs parking lots would be clean and local opinion was very positive, man did that change.
But man are u spot on in recommending that October run at Winterland in 74, especially considering the sound monstrosity it was upon original release as Steal Your Face in 75 or 6. The sound on that re release is so good as to be astonishing, and the animation sequences in the movie from a guy named Gary Gutirez, who remarkably was not even a Deadhead is well worthwhile, as well as the 2 year olds dancing on the stage. Only the Grateful Dead.


I can give you a nod for some great shows in '83 and '84.  Garcia looked like death warmed over but he still had some chops left.  After the coma in '86 though, I feel his playing never truly recovered, although he was listening and paying more attention during '89 - '91.  However, if you think the shows between '85 and '88 were better than, say, '79 thru '81, you were on better drugs than me during that time - and that's saying a lot! ;)

The Warlocks show was Hampton - Fall '89.  And it was spectacular for Attics of My Life and the return of Help-Slip-Franks as well.  I was there, "starry-eyed and laughing."  

Being at the Greek in '84 must have been transcendental when they broke out Dark Star for the encore, but when I listen to it, the Bird Song they played earlier in the run was far more exploratory.  

By the same token, even the longer later Dark Stars were tedious, confused and not extremely interesting.

Yes, I'm a horrible snob about it all.  I'm sorry.

Now, Raymond, I would assume you were at the Uptown shows in Oct. '80, right? That Playing-Comes a Time-Playing out of Drums has always been one of my all time favorite Dead moments!!! ;D




Unbelievably enough I was dead straight for roughly half of the Dead performances I have witnessed, and all Tull shows since the early seventies, taab, passion play and war child i saw heavily dosed. But that Greek run I was dosed on both Saturday and Sunday, barely got in in time for the Friday show from Chicago. Have not looked again at the set list but I am quite certain the Birdsong to which u refer, as I remember it well with its uh, brilliant colors, was on either the Saturday or Sunday in the brilliant Cali sunshine. I lived in the Bay area all those years they were playing at the Uptown so I saw nothing but I have heard it, choice biscuits. We will just have to agree to disagree, particularly as regards 87, and surely at least you have heard some of the Jerry band discs from the nineties, sounds suspicially like a Jer bear at the top of his game to me, maybe happy to be freed of the sometimes geekazoid offerings of poor old Vinnie Welnick, doubtless a marvelous player but better suited to the Tubes from whence he came, even though i know he loved and deeply appreciated the job.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
I'd certainly agree that the JGB (and indeed his acoustic work with Grisman) is where Jerry was a) happiest, and b) did by far his best work in the last years of his life.  No doubt of that, in my mind.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 03:26:22 PM
Poor Vince!  He was trapped inside an R. Crumb comic for various personal reasons!  His was a deeply sad and disturbing story.  :'(

JGB in the '90s could certainly be very pretty on a good night - but never mind blowing, like Legion of Mary or something like the Stone shows in SF, circa 1980.

I remember '87 as a happy time 'cause Jerry was....well...alive!  I did the entire Summer and Autumn tours that year, except the West Coast.  The Morning Dew at Madison Square that year gets a lot of hype, but the Wharf Rat on the 2nd night was truly epic - best post '78 Rat, no question!  Shared a rollercoaster ride with Brent Mydland in Toronto that summer - which gave us something to talk about while we drank together in a Transvestite C&W Bar in New Orleans a year later!  Otherwise, it was a big year for Bucket-Sugaree openers, as I remember!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 03:32:30 PM
I am enjoying the general Dead yakkery, but any further nominations of essential live CDs beyond the two big boxed sets?  Especially from the 1970-2 era, and with the emphasis on songs over jamming.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 03:36:09 PM

Poor Vince!  He was trapped inside an R. Crumb comic for various personal reasons!  His was a deeply sad and disturbing story.  :'(

JGB in the '90s could certainly be very pretty on a good night - but never mind blowing, like Legion of Mary or something like the Stone shows in SF, circa 1980.

I remember '87 as a happy time 'cause Jerry was....well...alive!  I did the entire Summer and Autumn tours that year, except the West Coast.  The Morning Dew at Madison Square that year gets a lot of hype, but the Wharf Rat on the 2nd night was truly epic - best post '78 Rat, no question!  Shared a rollercoaster ride with Brent Mydland in Toronto that summer - which gave us something to talk about while we drank together in a Transvestite C&W Bar in New Orleans a year later!  Otherwise, it was a big year for Bucket-Sugaree openers, as I remember!
To me thats a good thing Bucket was likely my favorite of the latter day pieces, yeah I know, overplayed, to the extent that anything by them was overplayed it was still only every 4 shows, and Sugaree was a constant winner to me, just a matter of how excellent. I seem to recall reading or hearing that Brent got pretty nuts in their first return trip to NO since the famous bust quoted in Truckin. I also want to give some ups to 90 either with Brent or the early shows without him, best Vince ever sounded, saw the first 2 of those in Cleveland, he was very warmly welcomed as u can imagine, and of course the spectre of Brent hung heavily over those shows, particularly during Drums which seemed very much like the Dead sending Brents spirit out on their own terms. Highly recommend 7/6/90 in Louisville, one of the last times I saw them when they were truly fantastic, massive China Rider bridge to open the second set, they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 03:46:15 PM

Highly recommend 7/6/90 in Louisville, one of the last times I saw them when they were truly fantastic, massive China Rider bridge to open the second set, they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


Never heard it, but will have done soon...its nice to hear something personally recommended
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-07-06.sbd.miller.12770.sbeok.shnf


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Goaty on February 24, 2010, 03:55:36 PM

they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


 :o Fantastic ;D  I needed a chuckle, cheers!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 03:57:29 PM


they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


 :o Fantastic ;D  I needed a chuckle, cheers!


That was indeed my favourite bit of rock n roll writing so far in 2010.  Nice one, Raymond!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 03:59:49 PM

I am enjoying the general Dead yakkery, but any further nominations of essential live CDs beyond the two big boxed sets?  Especially from the 1970-2 era, and with the emphasis on songs over jamming.

Jules


Jules,

- Dick's Pick Baltimore '72
- Dick's Pick Philadelphia '72
- Winterland 12-73 Box Set (All 3 nights!)
- Dick's Picks Oklahoma City '73
- Dick's Picks Boston Garden / Providence '74
- Truckin' in England '72
- Hundred Year Hall, Germany '72
- Rockin' the Rhine, Germany '72

Those are my favorite legitimate releases, besides the GD Movie soundtrack mentioned above - you need to get that one!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 24, 2010, 04:00:17 PM

I am enjoying the general Dead yakkery, but any further nominations of essential live CDs beyond the two big boxed sets?  Especially from the 1970-2 era, and with the emphasis on songs over jamming.

Jules


As it happens I'm just listening to "From The Vault 3" Capitol Theatre (Yes, UK spelling, on sleeve at least!), Portchester NY, 19th Feb '71. Whole show with a nice first set of songs with a little jamming & a strong 2nd set with some jamming (Cryptical / Other One), plus stand alone songs. Neat little Billy solo & a not too offensive Pig "Good Lovin'", finishing with a stirring "Casey Jones" "Drivin' that train".....etc. Also first outings for "Deal" & "Birdsong". Nice  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 04:03:20 PM

As it happens I'm just listening to "From The Vault 3" Capitol Theatre (Yes, UK spelling, on sleeve at least!), Portchester NY, 19th Feb '71. Whole show with a nice first set of songs with a little jamming & a strong 2nd set with some jamming (Cryptical / Other One), plus stand alone songs. Neat little Billy solo & a not too offensive Pig "Good Lovin'", finishing with a stirring "Casey Jones" "Drivin' that train".....etc. Also first outings for "Deal" & "Birdsong". Nice  :)


Yes, I fancy this one.  Thanks.

Also will look into your suggestions, Pat.  Thanks.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 04:07:56 PM
Gee thanks folks, all of those are excellent choices, kind of hard to miss, but that Hundred Year Hall is a particularly delicious beastie.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 24, 2010, 04:14:08 PM

Gee thanks folks, all of those are excellent choices, kind of hard to miss, but that Hundred Year Hall is a particularly delicious beastie.


Also rather nice from the same tour is a 3 disc set called "Dutch Treat" from 11th May '72, Civic Hall, Rotterdam. Hmm, next up I think  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 04:24:50 PM


Highly recommend 7/6/90 in Louisville, one of the last times I saw them when they were truly fantastic, massive China Rider bridge to open the second set, they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


Never heard it, but will have done soon...its nice to hear something personally recommended
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-07-06.sbd.miller.12770.sbeok.shnf


Had a listen to those two tracks.  Nice last 2 minutes of China and a good solid Rider....

However in some ways it also illustrates what I don't like about later GD....that, sorry, plinky plonky 'piano' sound and the truly unpleasant sound effects at the start of China.  The drums are too cosy, too formulaically 'loose'.  It never quite breaks free like the decent stuff does.  I guess you had to be there.  And I wish I had been, of course....I'd probably feel very differently about it if I had been.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 04:29:47 PM


Gee thanks folks, all of those are excellent choices, kind of hard to miss, but that Hundred Year Hall is a particularly delicious beastie.


Also rather nice from the same tour is a 3 disc set called "Dutch Treat" from 11th May '72, Civic Hall, Rotterdam. Hmm, next up I think  :)


The Rotterdam show has been released legit??!!  :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 24, 2010, 04:33:45 PM



Gee thanks folks, all of those are excellent choices, kind of hard to miss, but that Hundred Year Hall is a particularly delicious beastie.


Also rather nice from the same tour is a 3 disc set called "Dutch Treat" from 11th May '72, Civic Hall, Rotterdam. Hmm, next up I think  :)


The Rotterdam show has been released legit??!!  :o


Oops. What Rotterdam show?!  ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 04:33:57 PM

The drums are too cosy, too formulaically 'loose'.  It never quite breaks free like the decent stuff does.  


Mind you, David, I've always said it very quietly, but.........I think they did a lot better with just one drummer.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on February 24, 2010, 04:38:42 PM
Is this where we start talking about which version of Sloth we like best?  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 04:43:16 PM

Is this where we start talking about which version of Sloth we like best?  ;D


Well, everybody knows Sloth went down hill when...............HEY!  >:(

;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 24, 2010, 04:53:16 PM


The drums are too cosy, too formulaically 'loose'.  It never quite breaks free like the decent stuff does.  


Mind you, David, I've always said it very quietly, but.........I think they did a lot better with just one drummer.


I agree (and I said the same thing somewhere in this whole GD discussion fest too!)....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 24, 2010, 05:05:50 PM



Highly recommend 7/6/90 in Louisville, one of the last times I saw them when they were truly fantastic, massive China Rider bridge to open the second set, they just kept on goosin that sucker til it shot all over everybody, umm hmm.  


Never heard it, but will have done soon...its nice to hear something personally recommended
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-07-06.sbd.miller.12770.sbeok.shnf


Had a listen to those two tracks.  Nice last 2 minutes of China and a good solid Rider....

However in some ways it also illustrates what I don't like about later GD....that, sorry, plinky plonky 'piano' sound and the truly unpleasant sound effects at the start of China.  The drums are too cosy, too formulaically 'loose'.  It never quite breaks free like the decent stuff does.  I guess you had to be there.  And I wish I had been, of course....I'd probably feel very differently about it if I had been.
Well here's a fresh one to bore yourself with sometime in the next year David the very last time I saw them in full flower, (the last show that u mention which I was at was anything but happening in the venue, you may know that tour was labeled the tour from hell, with loads of problems, long term arrests, and deaths, gate crashers)on a Monday night in Cleveland, shortly after the removal of Dan Healy to a shaky Bob Bralove, and a literal convention of DEA agents outside looking precisely like Deadheads, even playing wooden flutes, took over an hour to get in, they even went thru your wallet. When and if you listen to it I recommend starting with the then recently re introduced Willie Dixon chestnut Same Thing, the point at which Bralove got the sound up to proper volume and the place went into full blown ritual formation, and the show never settled down from that point. Many people reviewing it mark the Stella as amongst the best ever. Never so sure about any or all of that but I do know it was one delicious evening after all the hassles.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-03-21.sbd.ladner.6258.sbeok.shnf


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2010, 05:15:39 PM

Is this where we start talking about which version of Sloth we like best?  ;D


It sure isn't the longest!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on February 24, 2010, 10:43:56 PM


Is this where we start talking about which version of Sloth we like best?  ;D


It sure isn't the longest!   ;)

Jules


It also does not involve RT.

My preffered Dead listening at the moment is:

http://www.deaddisc.com/disc/Steppin_Out.html







Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 24, 2010, 10:55:54 PM
Oooops!  

Hey Jules!  Strike that "Truckin' in England" rubbish I said earlier, Neil just reminded me that the actual title is "Steppin' Out.........in England, '72."

Sorry about that one - a lovely collection, indeed!

Thanks Neil!!    


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeA on February 24, 2010, 11:58:15 PM
Interested to pick up on the Steppin' Out '72 stuff - saw the Grateful Dead at the wonderful Bickershaw Featival that very year - whilst dodgy recordings are available, my abiding memory is of a great gig - bear in mind this was prior to the passing of the Night Assemblies Bill to prevent all night shenanigans like 4am Beefheart the previous night/morning(truly memorable)- New Riders of the Purle Sage kicked of what morphed into a marathon session as the Dead seamlessly took over. They didn't like the cold, Weir in particular! We were really, really knackered - but it was ace! When they started " Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad" half of us were already there!

Roll on Cropprers!





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 25, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Oooops!  

Hey Jules!  Strike that "Truckin' in England" rubbish I said earlier, Neil just reminded me that the actual title is "Steppin' Out.........in England, '72."


It's OK, I found it.  Some of these CDs had bonus discs when first issued.  I'd be loath to buy a copy without the bonus disc.   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 25, 2010, 11:35:51 AM
What should have dropped into my in box today but an alert to the next "Road Trips". Relevant in as much as it's another early 70's show. Complete show (hooray!) + bonus disc from a couple of nights earlier. Only one drummer, one of Keith G's first shows, more songs than jams, Dark Star> El Paso> Dark Star sandwich, mmm, what's not to like?  :)
Recorded live at Municipal Auditorium Austin, TX (November 15, 1971)
All selections are previously unissued recordings
DISC 1
1. Truckin'
2. Bertha
3. Playing In The Band
4. Deal
5. Jack Straw
6. Loser
7. Beat It On Down The Line
8. Dark Star>
9. El Paso>
10. Dark Star
11. Casey Jones
12. One More Saturday Night

DISC 2
1. Me And My Uncle
2. Ramble On Rose
3. Mexicali Blues
4. Brokedown Palace
5. Me And Bobby McGee
6. Cumberland Blues
7. Sugar Magnolia
8. You Win Again
9. Not Fade Away>
10. Jam>
11. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>
12. Not Fade Away
13. Johnny B. Goode

Bonus CD: (while supplies last) Texas Christian University in Forth Worth, Texas (11/14/71).

1. China Cat Sunflower>
2. I Know You Rider
3. Sugaree
4. Truckin'>
5. Drums>
6. The Other One>
7. Me And My Uncle>
8. The Other One>
9. Wharf Rat>
10. Sugar Magnolia

Available from: http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-volume-3-number-2
Get 'em while thy're hot.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 25, 2010, 11:57:16 AM

What should have dropped into my in box today but an alert to the next "Road Trips". Relevant in as much as it's another early 70's show. Complete show (hooray!) + bonus disc from a couple of nights earlier. Only one drummer, one of Keith G's first shows, more songs than jams, Dark Star> El Paso> Dark Star sandwich, mmm, what's not to like?  :)


Dammit, but that looks tasty!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on February 25, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
As someone who has been ambivalent about the Dead in the past this is another of my favourites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick's_Picks_Volume_4


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on February 28, 2010, 12:51:10 AM
This is depressing... Reading this thread I realise that I must have got it wrong for the last 40, very odd, years... (Bit like discovering that Bob Hunter wrote most of the lyrics for the album that became 'American Beauty' whilst living in Earls Court) but, for my ears Aoxomoxoa is a stone classic, almost definitive, Dead album. I can't be bothered to defend it, one man's meat is another man's poison, but really???? To steer somebody away from it, in such unequivocal terms as applied here would appear to be a little irresponsible, to say the least.

Actually, I will defend it a little, if only to redress the balance:

Premise:

Aoxomoxoa is an essential 'stop over' for anybody who is interested in 'getting' the Dead - Discuss

If you don't hear Aoxomoxoa you will miss out on the definitive takes on both 'Cosmic Charlie' (wherein Garcia redefines the use of the bottle neck) and 'Mountains of the Moon' (the most absolute, no quarter given, few minutes of pure psychedelia ever committed to vinyl). Sure, those are the highlights of the album and sure, it would be silly to argue that 'What's become of the baby' stands up without the aid of some very strong psychedelics (I like very strong psychedelics) but it's a psychedelic album for god's sake - 'Either go away or come all the way in' covers that one - and should be judged by that standard.

At the end of the day you are either 'on the bus or off of it' - it really doesn't matter. What matters is that it's there and, if on it, you are in the driving seat. If you 'dip' your toe into the Dead canon you will almost certainly find yourself on a musical adventure that will hold your interest for the rest of your listening life.. Sometimes they will bore, frustrate, puzzle and madden you (no collective of musicians have ever taken so many wrong turns) and sometimes they will, amuse, astound, elevate and enable you (no collective of musicians have ever taken so many right turns)... And yes, they do 'noodle' but oh, such noodles, fit for a king..

'Does god look down on the boys in the bar room
Mainly forsaken but surely not judged
Jacks, Kings & Aces, their faces entwined
Do lord, deliver our kind.

From sin, from whiskey, three strings on the fiddle
Four, for the guitar, a song that I love
Many's the time we've spent picking & singing
In hopes it be pleasing both here and above' - Robert Hunter









Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 28, 2010, 09:22:46 AM

This is depressing... Reading this thread I realise that I must have got it wrong for the last 40, very odd, years... (Bit like discovering that Bob Hunter wrote most of the lyrics for the album that became 'American Beauty' whilst living in Earls Court) but, for my ears Aoxomoxoa is a stone classic, almost definitive, Dead album. I can't be bothered to defend it, one man's meat is another man's poison, but really???? To steer somebody away from it, in such unequivocal terms as applied here would appear to be a little irresponsible, to say the least.



Not sure it's depressing (or irresponsible!)...but interesting certainly.  But I agree with your viewpoint wholeheartedly....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on February 28, 2010, 07:13:45 PM

It would be ever so much easier to say which ones to stay away from, though certainly even their worst have some merit. Stay away from Aoxomoxoa


 but it's a psychedelic album for god's sake - 'Either go away or come all the way in' covers that one - and should be judged by that standard.


Mike, you had me up until this statement, at which point your post simply became a long-winded restatement of Ray's point: if you aren't prepared to embrace full-blown psychedelia, then you should steer clear of Aoxomoxoa ...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PLW (Peter) on February 28, 2010, 08:49:07 PM

Aoxomoxoa is a stone classic, almost definitive, Dead album.


Is that stone, or stoned?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: sliprigilio (Al) on February 28, 2010, 10:28:18 PM



Aoxomoxoa It is, however, a difficult word to type.   :o

Jules


As you have just proved!  ;D


I don't know what you're talking about.  [innocent whistle]

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I couldn't agree more with not taking artist's opinion of their own work at face value. If we did that there would have been no need for Dylan's Bootleg Series albums. This is a man who thought that Blind Willie McTell was somehow not good enough or not appropriate to be included on Infidels and therefore didn't release it at all for over a decade!


Indeed.  There's dozens of examples with Bob.  Artists are not always their own best editors or critics.

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for example, at the risk of speaking heresy, I admire Dark Star more than like it but my first response to it was that it was more jazz than rock.


And at the risk of further heresy, I think Live/Dead was the CD I enjoyed least in the entire Golden Road box, for similar reasons.

Jules


I've always enjoyd a strange relationship with the Dead (no sniggering at the back...) in that more often than not I'm disapointed with them.  To my mind they always promised more than they delivered & I'm just a  little bored with the 'well, you should've seen 'em live' line that is always trotted out in matters deadly - most of their contemporaries managed to make great records but why excuse the dead?  They did mange some good studio albums but most of them are a tad lame to my ears.
I never caught them live (too young in their glory days of 67 - 74) & by the time I the had the chance in 1980 I turened it down as I didn't like what they were doing on record around that time (I did catch Bob Wer's Ratdog at canterbury Fayre in 2003 though - and they were great..). However, before I trundle on down the negative lane I also love the Dead for what they were & how out of kilter they were with the mainstream and the magical moments when they really got it right and made some truly magical music.  To understand what was special about them you need to really listen to 'Live/Dead' .  'Dark Star' isn't jazz but it's not 'standard' rock either  but it is a superb example of group interplay and improvisation within a rock format. A lot of bands of the era who went the improv route tended to hammer away in the manner of Cream on a bad day whereas the axis of Garcia, Weir and Lesh play with superb dynamics and empathy .  In feel and mood it's not a million miles away from Miles Davis's 'Sshh/Peaceful' from 'In a Silent Way' (both 1969). But for my money the most thrilling Dead moment is 'The Eleven' - again from 'Live/Dead' as I've never heard them play with such power and joy.  I suppose I prefer the 'jamminmg' side more than their songs but I rate 'Workingman's Dead' and 'American Beauty' very highly (which seems to be the usual line...) 'Two from the vault' (1968 live stuff) has some ace stuff - but has  a tepid 'Dark Star' .  'Anthem of the Sun' is pure acid rock heaven the first album has its moments and is a more energetic/garagy Dead than latter stuff.  I note that Sandra was groovin to 'Vintage Dead' recently - I've got an old vinyl copy of this & i don't rate this at all, but 'Historic Dead' - more early stuff dredged up & released in early 70s is better...
For me, the nub of all this is that I wish they'd stayed more 'Psychadelic' and they never ever seemed able to record their drummers properly...but on the plus side:  Garcia was one of the most expressive and individualistic guitar players and Weir still one of the most underated rhythm players...

Cheers All!
Slippy 8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 01, 2010, 12:15:45 AM
Bob

I think that your reply highlights the inadequacies of my writing skills rather than the point I was, longwindedly, endeavouring to make; which was the opposite of Ray's.

My point was that the Dead, up to an including Live Dead, were a psychedelic band with a target audience of psychedelically attuned music lovers (lest we forget, they came of age through the Acid Tests) and that anything they released during that formative period must be viewed from that perspective. Within this context it is ludicrous to advise somebody that is looking to discover what the band are about to 'steer clear' of what, by any standards, is a seminal psychedelic album - A bit like advising somebody that was interested in Paul Butterfield to steer clear of 'East West' because it's 'too bluesy' - That would be risible.

Further to this it seems to me that it would be difficult to get acquainted with the Dead without giving a nod to Bob Hunter and, if nothing else (and there was plenty else) Aoxomoxoa was the album where he set out his stall, China Cat Sunflower, St Stephen, Mountains of the Moon, Cosmic Charlie? The first two in that list have been central to the Dead's career and it seems a trifle perverse to harp on about how great this or that concert was in the same breath as denouncing the very record that introduced them to the record buying world.





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 01, 2010, 12:19:49 PM

A bit like advising somebody that was interested in Paul Butterfield to steer clear of 'East West' because it's 'too bluesy'


Thanks for the warning!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 01, 2010, 02:47:59 PM
As a lad, Aoxomoxoa was a great companion to listen to while ravenously devouring Oreos and reading Freak Brother comic books!   O0

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 01, 2010, 06:48:53 PM

As a lad, Aoxomoxoa was a great companion to listen to while ravenously devouring Oreos and reading Freak Brother comic books!   O0


the band Fairport may well have become but for them pesky copyright laws :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 02, 2010, 08:58:43 AM

the band Fairport may well have become but for them pesky copyright laws :o


I don't follow you, Jim.   ???

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 03, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
As it's (just over) 41 years since the run at Fillmore West that produced "Live / Dead", thought I'd dig out one of my favourite shows from the era, 1st March 1969. First disc is (Set1) Cryptical>O1>Cryptical>New Potato>Doin' That Rag>Cosmic Charlie (Disc 2) Dupree's>MOTM, (Set2) Dark Star>St. Stephen>The Eleven>Lovelight E: Hey Jude, None of these versions appeared on the official release.

Interestingly, one of the opening acts was Pentangle. Now there's a pairing I'd like to have seen jamming together!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 03, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
Apparently they did jam together during that run of shows - Given their penchant for recording their shows but the dearth of same when collaborating I suspect they switched the tape machines off for that part of the show; have never managed to find anything of the sets they played with Miles or Etta James either


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 03, 2010, 09:32:22 PM


the band Fairport may well have become but for them pesky copyright laws :o


I don't follow you, Jim.   ???

Jules


When Norm and DM left Fairport after Babbacombe Lee, i believe Swarb and Peggy were a bit dubious of going out as FC as no original members were left and considered changing the name to the Furry Freak Brothers, but i believe Mr Crumbs attorneys at law were not altogether in favour of the change of brand name


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 03, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
I didn't know that.  Thanks for the enlightenment, Jim.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Goaty on March 04, 2010, 09:34:31 AM
Mr Crumb ? ???


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 04, 2010, 09:38:45 AM

Mr Crumb ? ???


robert crumb, the bloke who did the furry freaks and fat freddies cat


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 04, 2010, 09:42:07 AM


Mr Crumb ? ???


robert crumb, the bloke who did the furry freaks and fat freddies cat


They weren't Robert Crumb, Jim, they were Gilbert Shelton et al.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 04, 2010, 09:44:36 AM



Mr Crumb ? ???


robert crumb, the bloke who did the furry freaks and fat freddies cat


They weren't Robert Crumb, Jim, they were Gilbert Shelton et al.

Jules


Who, incidentally, also did the artwork for Shakedown Street.

Did you see what I did there?   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 04, 2010, 09:50:34 AM



Mr Crumb ? ???


robert crumb, the bloke who did the furry freaks and fat freddies cat


They weren't Robert Crumb, Jim, they were Gilbert Shelton et al.

Jules


well i'll be damned, sorry about that bit of duff info, i never knew that , i must have been told it or assumed it and never found out any different until now
thanks for putting me right, thats one thing i've learnt today 8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 04, 2010, 09:50:55 AM

Who, incidentally, also did the artwork for Shakedown Street.

Did you see what I did there?   ;D


Woah!  Rilly outtasite, Dave, man!   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 04, 2010, 09:57:49 AM
"Well, well, well, you can never tell"  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on March 04, 2010, 11:11:00 AM

well i'll be damned, sorry about that bit of duff info, i never knew that , i must have been told it or assumed it and never found out any different until now
thanks for putting me right, thats one thing i've learnt today 8)



Me too. You live and learn...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on March 04, 2010, 02:38:47 PM
Mr Crumb is a Very Odd Bloke. One of the first x-rated films I ever went to see was "Fritz The Cat" - which is a cartoon. I had a book of his that my Mum would occasionally pick up and try to read to the kids, mistaking a cartoon book for a children's book.

She soon put it down though, poor dear. ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 04, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
Have y'all seen this one yet?  Its a totally legitimate, illustrated rendition of the entire Book of Genesis (KJV).  Its brilliant!  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!  

When you think about it, Crumb is the perfect choice to render much of the paranoia and perversion inherent in the first book of the Bible.

Last Sunday, I was sitting in the church office, when Juiian, this 97 year old presbyter, plopped the book on the desk, raving about it!  

Never thought I'd see the day where R. Crumb material was making the rounds at the First Presbyterian Church!  It was like being 14 years old again, watching my drunk parents and their friends dancing to my T-Rex records!  :o  

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PLW (Peter) on March 04, 2010, 09:01:42 PM

Have y'all seen this one yet?  Its a totally legitimate, illustrated rendition of the entire Book of Genesis (KJV).  Its brilliant!  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!  

When you think about it, Crumb is the perfect choice to render much of the paranoia and perversion inherent in the first book of the Bible.

Last Sunday, I was sitting in the church office, when Juiian, this 97 year old presbyter, plopped the book on the desk, raving about it!  

Never thought I'd see the day where R. Crumb material was making the rounds at the First Presbyterian Church!  It was like being 14 years old again, watching my drunk parents and their friends dancing to my T-Rex records!  :o  


It was in my Christmas stocking. Great stuff.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on March 04, 2010, 10:37:56 PM

It was in my Christmas stocking. Great stuff.



Nice Santa... Can I 'ave one dad?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 05, 2010, 09:11:31 AM
Digging around last night to find my copy of Bob Weir's Ace to put on my Ipod, I discovered a copy of Aoxomoxoa that I didn't know I even had!  :-[ That means that I already owned about a quarter of the contents of The Golden Road before I bought it.

I also have nearly half of the Beyond Description box which I was considering buying. Bizarrely the Amazon price for it jumped up by £20 yesterday so I am now thinking of investigating individual albums. So what, other than From The Mars Hotel, In The Dark and Without A Net, what from the official releases between 1973 & 1990 is worth a listen?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 09:57:45 AM

So what, other than From The Mars Hotel, In The Dark and Without A Net, what from the official releases between 1973 & 1990 is worth a listen?


I am often told that the expanded acoustic live set Reckoning is a must.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Goaty on March 05, 2010, 10:03:17 AM
If anyone's near a telly with Sky Arts 1 available the making of Anthem Of The Sun and American Beauty is on now.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 10:05:35 AM

If anyone's near a telly with Sky Arts 1 available the making of Anthem Of The Sun and American Beauty is on now.


I watched that on DVD on Monday.  Very good.  I only wish it had been longer and covered the albums in between in more detail.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 05, 2010, 10:11:38 AM

If anyone's near a telly with Sky Arts 1 available the making of Anthem Of The Sun and American Beauty is on now.


I remember seeing that on BBC2 some years ago. Part of the Classic Albums series. "Anthem to Beauty".


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 10:28:45 AM

Digging around last night to find my copy of Bob Weir's Ace to put on my Ipod, I discovered a copy of Aoxomoxoa that I didn't know I even had!  :-[ That means that I already owned about a quarter of the contents of The Golden Road before I bought it.
I also have nearly half of the Beyond Description box which I was considering buying. Bizarrely the Amazon price for it jumped up by £20 yesterday so I am now thinking of investigating individual albums.


Still worth having The Golden Road box for the expanded remastered versions of the albums though, Gub.

And I'm sure the Beyond Description box will yo-yo in price again.  It might be worth getting that second box some day rather than finding out you're likely to buy it all bit by bit anyway.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 05, 2010, 10:37:40 AM


Digging around last night to find my copy of Bob Weir's Ace to put on my Ipod, I discovered a copy of Aoxomoxoa that I didn't know I even had!  :-[ That means that I already owned about a quarter of the contents of The Golden Road before I bought it.
I also have nearly half of the Beyond Description box which I was considering buying. Bizarrely the Amazon price for it jumped up by £20 yesterday so I am now thinking of investigating individual albums.


Still worth having The Golden Road box for the expanded remastered versions of the albums though, Gub.

And I'm sure the Beyond Description box will yo-yo in price again.  It might be worth getting that second box some day rather than finding out you're likely to buy it all bit by bit anyway.

Jules


Wise words. The weird thing was that the price changed between yesterday morning and yesterday afternoon. Last week it was as cheap as £68. Now it is up to £93!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 10:56:16 AM

[Wise words. The weird thing was that the price changed between yesterday morning and yesterday afternoon. Last week it was as cheap as £68. Now it is up to £93!


The Golden Road went all through the £70s, up to the high £80s, then back down to the £70s before hitting the £60+ price we both got it for.  Who knows why they do these things?  I'm sure they have their reasons, but economics and business studies continue to be two areas of human life that leave me both baffled and bored
sh!tless.   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 05, 2010, 01:14:01 PM

Digging around last night to find my copy of Bob Weir's Ace to put on my Ipod, I discovered a copy of Aoxomoxoa that I didn't know I even had!  :-[ That means that I already owned about a quarter of the contents of The Golden Road before I bought it.

I also have nearly half of the Beyond Description box which I was considering buying. Bizarrely the Amazon price for it jumped up by £20 yesterday so I am now thinking of investigating individual albums. So what, other than From The Mars Hotel, In The Dark and Without A Net, what from the official releases between 1973 & 1990 is worth a listen?


IMO, the best picks from this "era" would be Blues For Allah, Reckoning and Terrapin Station (Side A only).

Allah is certainly their last complete major work, and while a convincing criticism can be made about the overproduction of the Terrapin suite, its still a very pretty thing to hear and totally unique.  Reckoning is must have, camp fire Dead - essential, really. :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 05, 2010, 01:44:41 PM



I also have nearly half of the Beyond Description box which I was considering buying. Bizarrely the Amazon price for it jumped up by £20 yesterday so I am now thinking of investigating individual albums. So what, other than From The Mars Hotel, In The Dark and Without A Net, what from the official releases between 1973 & 1990 is worth a listen?


Of the studio output, for me, "Wake Of The Flood" is outstanding. Live? Where to begin? :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 05, 2010, 01:48:14 PM

Live? Where to begin? :)



That's why I was limiting myself to the official contemporary releases. I don't think I have enough years to wade my way through all of the Dick's Picks and every other archival release alongside all of my other musical obsessions (and there are many!)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 05, 2010, 02:00:44 PM


Live? Where to begin? :)



That's why I was limiting myself to the official contemporary releases. I don't think I have enough years to wade my way through all of the Dick's Picks and every other archival release alongside all of my other musical obsessions (and there are many!)


You miss, imho, 90% of the reality of what was the Grateful Dead if you take that approach, but I can understand it does feel quite overwhelming.  That's why the standard advice is to go for a year (say, '69, '72, '77, '83 or whatever), and just see where the journey takes you...

The great things about live recordings as opposed to official live releases is that they are generally unedited and you hear them in real time with the audience.  And buy some good 'phones  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 05, 2010, 02:22:08 PM



Live? Where to begin? :)



That's why I was limiting myself to the official contemporary releases. I don't think I have enough years to wade my way through all of the Dick's Picks and every other archival release alongside all of my other musical obsessions (and there are many!)


You miss, imho, 90% of the reality of what was the Grateful Dead if you take that approach, but I can understand it does feel quite overwhelming.  That's why the standard advice is to go for a year (say, '69, '72, '77, '83 or whatever), and just see where the journey takes you...

The great things about live recordings as opposed to official live releases is that they are generally unedited and you hear them in real time with the audience.  And buy some good 'phones  :)



Yep, I concur with David. However, if you have to have official releases, to start you off, here are some suggestions.

19/12/73 Tampa, Florida, "Dick's Picks 1".

13/08/75 Great American Music Hall. "One From The Vault".

19 & 21/05/77 Fox Theatre, Atlanta & Lakeland Civic Center, Lakeland, "Dick's Picks 29" or
22/05/77 Pembroke Pines. Dick's Picks 3.

06/05/81 Nassau Coliseum "Dick's Picks 13".

15/03/90 Capital Centre, Landover. "Terrapin Station". or
24-26/03/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany. "Dozin' At The Knick".

Good luck.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 05, 2010, 02:28:32 PM
Oh, and "Dick's Picks Volume 15": Englishtown, NJ, September 3, 1977. A cracker. I'll shut up now   :).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 05, 2010, 02:39:29 PM
The records do have their charms though!  

Unless you were in the inner sanctum of tape trading rings, the only thing you had in the 70s were the studio and live albums, with a few hissy radio recording (one likely being the '75 Great American Music Hall just mentioned by Ian).

We were still crazy about 'em before the flood gates were open, right?  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 02:56:26 PM

I can understand it does feel quite overwhelming.  That's why the standard advice is to go for a year (say, '69, '72, '77, '83 or whatever), and just see where the journey takes you...


It certainly does.  I even picked a year, or two (1971/2), and I still find it hard to choose which title to buy!   ???

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 05, 2010, 02:59:31 PM



It certainly does.  I even picked a year, or two (1971/2), and I still find it hard to choose which title to buy!   ???




Why worry about it any longer then...why not just start here...http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 03:01:16 PM

Why worry about it any longer then...why not just start here...http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead   :)


I'm a CD buyer, David.  I can't help it!  I just don't tend to download things.  I haven't the patience or the technical know-how.  And most of the time I'm at a PC I don't have unlimited access either.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 03:02:38 PM
Besides, such a site makes the choice even harder!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 05, 2010, 03:06:58 PM

And buy some good 'phones  :)


I just tried. Bose Quiet Comfort 15s but they were out of stock at the manufacturer!  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 05, 2010, 03:10:10 PM
I tend not to use 'phones these days.  My ears are prone to all sorts of aches and pains.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 05, 2010, 03:42:54 PM


And buy some good 'phones  :)


I just tried. Bose Quiet Comfort 15s but they were out of stock at the manufacturer!  :(


That's exactly what I've got.  Luverley.....

Amazon has one on sale (through an intermediary)...  Apple normally sell them too...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 05, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
I can't remember if 'Wake of the Flood' was 73 or 4 so not sure if it falls within your catchment but definitely worth the price of admission.. A wonderful album packaged in an equally wonderful cover - A gem


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 05, 2010, 06:22:22 PM

I can't remember if 'Wake of the Flood' was 73 or 4 so not sure if it falls within your catchment but definitely worth the price of admission.. A wonderful album packaged in an equally wonderful cover - A gem


'73 - should be the first one out of the gate.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 05, 2010, 08:57:37 PM



And buy some good 'phones  :)


I just tried. Bose Quiet Comfort 15s but they were out of stock at the manufacturer!  :(


That's exactly what I've got.  Luverley.....

Amazon has one on sale (through an intermediary)...  Apple normally sell them too...



Jaysuss £350 dabs for a pair of headphones :o
ive been looking for a pair since our Siobhan's feckin bunnies chewed through the lead of my £20 technics, which were great but its a bugger to find any with a 4 metre lead any more.
 the lad has a pair of skullcandy headphones he paid £34 for off amazon and they are good but they ony come with a 4 foot lead


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 07, 2010, 04:05:40 PM
Whilst following the "Zabriskie Point" link (thanks Jules), this popped into view.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crimson-White-Indigo-Philadelphia-July/dp/B0037RBVH4/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music

OK its on Rhino not GD, but the price? Even with a DVD included.  :o

Further details from Deadnet, but no price, yet:

http://www.dead.net/features/dead-world-roundup/new-philly-89-dvd-cd-set-coming-soon



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 08, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
Talking of which...its just been pointed out on a GD list I belong to...that today, 37 years ago, Mr Ron McKernan passed away at the ridiculously early age of 27.  Got to rip open a Pigpen Lovelight in remembrance methinks...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: sliprigilio (Al) on March 08, 2010, 10:48:03 PM
27?  Spooky.... we all know about that little rock n roll myth don't we...

Slippy
 8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 08, 2010, 11:41:23 PM
Might be seen as a tad morbid by some, o well, but I always thought the inscription on Pig's burial stone, which the old zine The Golden Road showed a picture of years ago, was pretty cool.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=1724&PIpi=77034


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 09, 2010, 09:37:26 AM

Might be seen as a tad morbid by some, o well, but I always thought the inscription on Pig's burial stone, which the old zine The Golden Road showed a picture of years ago, was pretty cool.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=1724&PIpi=77034


I think they did a perfect job with the wording of that.  Not sure about the design of the stone, but I do like the words.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 09, 2010, 09:39:45 AM

Got to rip open a Pigpen Lovelight in remembrance methinks...


Does that mean playing a CD with Lovelight on it, or something more bizarre?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 09, 2010, 09:45:26 AM


Got to rip open a Pigpen Lovelight in remembrance methinks...


Does that mean playing a CD with Lovelight on it, or something more bizarre?

Jules


You have got a suspicious mind, Sir!  I think in truth, you know the answer to the question, don't you....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 09, 2010, 09:48:55 AM

You have got a suspicious mind, Sir!  I think in truth, you know the answer to the question, don't you....


You dawwwwwwwg!!!   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 09, 2010, 12:11:54 PM
I just came across this one on Amazon:-

Grateful Dead Download Series Vol. 3: The Palestra, Rochester, NY, 10/26/71

I just had a preview listen and it's goooooood!!

I may have to get over my fear of downloading after all.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 10, 2010, 08:13:06 AM
This was on another music forum...nice little collection of tributes to Pigpen...


A selection of Pigpen videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aX1Z_pHBQ (Hard to Handle 7-3-70)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa9kWiiuV_s (Easy Wind 7-1-70)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V752p6IMWjw (Hurts Me Too 4-17-72)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8B_YY327Pk (Next Time You See Me
4-17-72)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIwhr_S4gAc (Chinatown Shuffle 4-17-72)

Phil Lesh:
"He cultivated a biker image, but he was more the Marlon Brando Wild Ones
sensitive, brooding type. But funkier, way funkier - he had a leather shirt
that I saw him wear every day I knew him. Never was Pigpen more at home than
with a bottle of wine and a guitar, at home or at some party, improvising
epic blues rant lyrics, playing Lightnin' Hopkins songs, and doing Lord
Buckley routines. For him, joining the Mother McCree's jug band with Bob and
Jerry was just a small step away from what he did anyway. Garcia told me it
was Pigpen's idea to turn Mother McCree's into an electric blues band. When
the band turned into the Grateful Dead, Pig became our keel, our roots, our
fundamental tone. Pig was the perfect front man for the Dead: intense,
commanding, comforting; but I don't think he enjoyed doing that quite as
much as sitting on a couch with a guitar and a jug."

Jerry Garcia:
"Pigpen was the only guy in the band who had any talent when we were
starting out. He was genuinely talented. He also had no discipline, but he
had reams of talent. And he had that magical thing of being able to make
stuff up as he went along. He also had great stage presence. The ironic
thing was that he hated it - it really meant nothing to him; it wasn't what
he liked. We had to browbeat him into being a performer. His best
performances were one-on-one, sitting in a room with an acoustic guitar.
That's where he was really at home and at his best.
"Out in front of the crowd he could work the band, and he'd really get the
audience going. He always had more nerve than I could believe.
He'd get the audience on his side, and he'd pick somebody out (like a
heckler) and get on them... He was the guy who really sold the band, not me
or Weir. Pigpen is what made the band work."

Mickey Hart:
"Pigpen was the musician in the Grateful Dead. When I first met the Grateful
Dead, it was Pigpen and the boys. It was a blues band...
Pigpen was a kind man. He looked so hard, but he was a kind, soft man.
That's why he had to look so tough, because he was so kind, he would get
stepped on... If there was one black chick in the audience, he'd always go
home with her. Somehow he'd always have her up by his organ...by the end of
the evening, she'd be up sitting on his stool.
He just loved black women... He was the blues: he lived it, and he believed
it, and he got caught in that web and he couldn't break out.
And it killed him... He was just living the blues life: singing' the blues
and drinkin' whiskey. That's what all blues guys did."

Tom Constanten:
"Pigpen's father was a blues DJ who went by the name 'Cool Breeze'.
Pigpen had an encyclopedic knowledge of all the blues artists, and Pigpen
was a remarkable blues singer. The world never got to see the full measure
of Pigpen. He could do so many things - he was so deep, so broad. I used to
room with him on the road and I shared a house with him in Novato. I mean
you'd look at him and see this Hell's Angel sort of character who sings this
narrow band of music, and he was really into so many more things. Pigpen had
a different inner and outer image. While his outer image was kind of like
Pirate Pete who would shoot his gun at your feet to make you dance, yet he
was also the guy who brought a portable chess game along on the road because
he liked to play."

Ned Lagin:
"I was very surprised at who Pigpen actually turned out to be, given what I
had seen of him... I thought Pigpen would probably be on the opposite side
of the planet from me, blues tough, but he turned out to be a very sweet
person. To him, I was one of those whiz-kid rocket scientist genius kids
that he always wanted to meet, but was on a different school bus going to a
different place... But we could sit together and play piano together and
hang out together. I think there was a great sensitivity in Pigpen that was
the opposite of his down & dirty Lovelight personality."

Pigpen:
"Can't think what to write, but there's an ant hobbling around on this
table. Absquatulate with the funds, will ya? Had any prune-tang lately?
There's a broken helicopter outside the door, looking bum- tripped after
having fallen down on Happy Land St. and belonging to the people who work in
the hangar next door. Poot, still at a loss. I like fun and making people
happy. Sue just loves my blue bow."

Bob Seidemann:
"It was obvious to everybody Pigpen was dying. I photographed him a few days
before he died and he was so weak he had to be helped from the front door of
his place to the car. I wanted to do one more picture of Pig with the Dead,
so I picked him up and we drove out to Bolinas where they were rehearsing. I
said, 'Look, I've got Pig here.
Let's go outside and do a picture.' And everybody just said, 'Uh, no, Bob.
Thumbs down.' So I put Pig back in the car and on the way back he said,
'Seidemann, will you take my picture?'... It was a sad moment when those
cats wouldn't do it, and I had to drag Pig back to his apartment."

Here's one of Pigpen's last songs, called No Tomorrow. (Sorry about the poor
quality.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2R03IDGo3E

And here's Robert Petersen's poem for Pigpen, written in 1973:

& pigpen died

my eyes tequila-tortured
4 days mourning
lost another fragment
of my own self
knowing
the same brutal
night-sweats & hungers
he knew
the same cold fist
that knocked him down
now clutching furiously
at my gut

shut my eyes
& see him standing
spread-legged
on the stage of the world
the boys prodding him
egging him on
he telling all he ever knew
or cared to know

mike hand cocked like
a boxer's
head throwed back
stale whiskey blues
many-peopled destinations
neon rainy streets
& wilderness of airports
thousands maybe millions
loved him
were fired instantly
into forty-five minutes of
midnight hour
but when he died
he was thin, sick, scared
and alone

like i said to laird
i just hope he didn't hurt
too much


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 10, 2010, 09:20:16 AM

Phil Lesh:
"he had a leather shirt that I saw him wear every day I knew him."


Jeez - that shirt must have RONKED!!!   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 10, 2010, 11:51:07 PM
You know I loved that David. I recall Mickey relating a different story of their first east coast tour and Mickey's grandma meeting the band and her, shock I guess that these crazy kids she had been reading about in San Francisco were in part her grandson and his buddies, the first of which she met was Pig who I guess moreso than saying hello to her kind of grunted. Then Mickey said "She loved Pigpen."
I think the garment Phil is referring to was more of a vest than a shirt.

"Been chippin them rocks from dawn til doom while my rider hide my bottle in the other room."


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 11, 2010, 09:29:00 AM

I think the garment Phil is referring to was more of a vest than a shirt.


Ah, your 'vest' = our 'waistcoat' (our 'vest' = your "undershirt").  So that means it wasn't directly akin to skin.  That's a good thing!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
well i went back and listened to aoxomoxoa to see if i had missed out on something in putting it by the wayside for many years. and at least one third of it is drivel that i know the band, 2 of whom i know, and all of whom i have met at least once, would like to take back. in fact in one of my 2 conversations with daddy dead himself, jerry, we were talking about his being marked as a deity by some in the ranks, particularly the spinners, will never forget him telling me that if they think that they should talk to his kids. i did not need to be reminded of what is or what is not praiseworthy, i think my gd credentials just might rival anyone on this board, but thanks for thinking of me when u brought out your whipping stick, how thoughtful and indeed grateful of u. yeah, u know i kind of know what the ace points of the album are, all of which are so much more better evidenced in live performance. i think this was terrrr he tried to take me to the woodshed in a game of gd one upsmanship. or david mjs who apparently holds the studio works of terrapin and shakedown close to his heart. i am ever so happy for u. but they are case study one in why the gd does not work under glass. but do tell. that u have your own ears and brain is indeed a gladsome thing, but always show respect to anyone else's opinion, regardless of pedigree.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on March 14, 2010, 12:35:46 AM

well i went back and listened to aoxomoxoa to see if i had missed out on something in putting it by the wayside for many years. and at least one third of it is drivel that i know the band, 2 of whom i know, and all of whom i have met at least once, would like to take back. in fact in one of my 2 conversations with daddy dead himself, jerry, we were talking about his being marked as a deity by some in the ranks, particularly the spinners, will never forget him telling me that if they think that they should talk to his kids. i did not need to be reminded of what is or what is not praiseworthy, i think my gd credentials just might rival anyone on this board, but thanks for thinking of me when u brought out your whipping stick, how thoughtful and indeed grateful of u. yeah, u know i kind of know what the ace points of the album are, all of which are so much more better evidenced in live performance. i think this was terrrr he tried to take me to the woodshed in a game of gd one upsmanship. or david mjs who apparently holds the studio works of terrapin and shakedown close to his heart. i am ever so happy for u. but they are case study one in why the gd does not work under glass. but do tell. that u have your own ears and brain is indeed a gladsome thing, but always show respect to anyone else's opinion, regardless of pedigree.


Hi there my man. I don't think I've even entered this debate. I did ask about which "Dead" album might be a good starting point (I dont own a GD lp/cd/tape but wouldn't mind finding out what turns you guys on to them) , but if that's oneupmanship, I guess I stand accused.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 12:52:32 AM
sorry terrrr, i made the mistake of trusting my usually quite reliable memory and it indeed was a guy named mike cole but in my rage tonite fueled on a couple fronts i did not go back and do my homework, and i issue my sincere apology, here is what i was referring to. and for someone who has been on the bus for quite some time, and is particularly knowledgable of their more wide open aspects, this has been sticking in my craw for some couple weeks, but it was easy to pass by when my anger was not so engaged. again i aint perfect, i really apologize terrrr.

This is depressing... Reading this thread I realise that I must have got it wrong for the last 40, very odd, years... (Bit like discovering that Bob Hunter wrote most of the lyrics for the album that became 'American Beauty' whilst living in Earls Court) but, for my ears Aoxomoxoa is a stone classic, almost definitive, Dead album. I can't be bothered to defend it, one man's meat is another man's poison, but really? To steer somebody away from it, in such unequivocal terms as applied here would appear to be a little irresponsible, to say the least.

Actually, I will defend it a little, if only to redress the balance:

Premise:

Aoxomoxoa is an essential 'stop over' for anybody who is interested in 'getting' the Dead - Discuss

If you don't hear Aoxomoxoa you will miss out on the definitive takes on both 'Cosmic Charlie' (wherein Garcia redefines the use of the bottle neck) and 'Mountains of the Moon' (the most absolute, no quarter given, few minutes of pure psychedelia ever committed to vinyl). Sure, those are the highlights of the album and sure, it would be silly to argue that 'What's become of the baby' stands up without the aid of some very strong psychedelics (I like very strong psychedelics) but it's a psychedelic album for god's sake - 'Either go away or come all the way in' covers that one - and should be judged by that standard.

At the end of the day you are either 'on the bus or off of it' - it really doesn't matter. What matters is that it's there and, if on it, you are in the driving seat. If you 'dip' your toe into the Dead canon you will almost certainly find yourself on a musical adventure that will hold your interest for the rest of your listening life.. Sometimes they will bore, frustrate, puzzle and madden you (no collective of musicians have ever taken so many wrong turns) and sometimes they will, amuse, astound, elevate and enable you (no collective of musicians have ever taken so many right turns)... And yes, they do 'noodle' but oh, such noodles, fit for a king..

'Does god look down on the boys in the bar room
Mainly forsaken but surely not judged
Jacks, Kings & Aces, their faces entwined
Do lord, deliver our kind.

From sin, from whiskey, three strings on the fiddle
Four, for the guitar, a song that I love
Many's the time we've spent picking & singing
In hopes it be pleasing both here and above' - Robert Hunter



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on March 14, 2010, 01:08:23 AM
No problem Raymond. We've all done the old "engage brain before opening mouth" trick. I myself take pride in more than one masterful display of it...

Keep smiling  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 01:18:36 AM
I think it was my shamefaced self that tulli was getting so preciously petulant about.

Did I dare to challenge his GD credentials?? He is clearly the 'Man' and ought to be deferred to with the clear, but oh so subtle, promise that providing this mandate is adhered to we can go forth with his blessing to enjoy whatever our errant ears delude us as being em? - enjoyable.

He reminded me somewhat of a (pending tullist's ruling) funny little mantra that my Grandmother taught me to recite to myself when confronted with pretentious prissiness in all it's vainglorious guises:

'Do you insinuate that I should tolerate such diabolical insolence from a low down specimen of humanity like yourself? Your insinuations are too obnoxious to be appreciated, your brain is insufficiently developed to make it possible for me to converse with you any longer.. So bu**er off.

(It sounds better than it reads)

Silliness aside, I stand in abject correction and, since seeing the error of my ways, would wish to assure tulli that I have cast out the travesty of recorded nonsense that is Aoxomoxa (I can barely bring myself to utter it's name) from my collection and duly informed all members of my family that anybody daring to whisper it's name in the future will be force fed 'Aqualung' twice a night for a month (note subtle ingratiation) - that should do it.

Further silliness aside tulli old boy, get over yourself, take a deep breath and read your last post.. It is irrelevant whether you spent a week-end cavorting in a tub full of orange juice (although that is doubtful) with the entire GD family - I think you missed the point




Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 01:21:11 AM
nothing short of beautiful david, gives me a restoration of balance, probably temporary due to forboding extraneous factors. where i a christian man that is a sentiment the best of that thinking would embrace, as far as that goes its the other parts that give me pause.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 01:25:52 AM

I think it was my shamefaced self that tulli was getting so preciously petulant about.

Did I dare to challenge his GD credentials?? He is clearly the 'Man' and ought to be deferred to with the clear, but oh so subtle, promise that providing this mandate is adhered to we can go forth with his blessing to enjoy whatever our errant ears delude us as being em? - enjoyable.

He reminded me somewhat of a (pending tullist's ruling) funny little mantra that my Grandmother taught me to recite to myself when confronted with pretentious prissiness in all it's vainglorious guises:

'Do you insinuate that I should tolerate such diabolical insolence from a low down specimen of humanity like yourself? Your insinuations are too obnoxious to be appreciated, your brain is insufficiently developed to make it possible for me to converse with you any longer.. So bu**er off.

(It sounds better than it reads)

Silliness aside, I stand in abject correction and, since seeing the error of my ways, would wish to assure tulli that I have cast out the travesty of recorded nonsense that is Aoxomoxa (I can barely bring myself to utter it's name) from my collection and duly informed all members of my family that anybody daring to whisper it's name in the future will be force fed 'Aqualung' twice a night for a month (note subtle ingratiation) - that should do it.

Further silliness aside tulli old boy, get over yourself, take a deep breath and read your last post.. It is irrelevant whether you spent a week-end cavorting in a tub full of orange juice (although that is doubtful) with the entire GD family - I think you missed the point



the only point i missed was my own assessment of aoxomoxoa and i do not need u to tell me what is or is not worthwhile in the dead canon, that u have your own opinion i could not be happier about, but that u paint it in a fashion as if i were guilty of so horribly misleading people new to this is something u should keep to yourself. watch it with the language btw, bugger summa dis.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 01:30:07 AM
If that was you accepting an apology I'd hate to see what you come up with when challenged -

sorry tulli

PS: 'watch my language'? silly boy


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 01:33:38 AM
Anyway, I think that that is enough now.

I suggest that you run back to your mummy and I run back to mine and we both try to play a little nicer in the future -


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 01:43:37 AM
i would have to run into the next world for my "mummy" if u still have yours make sure to love her like there is no tomorrow, glad that i did. i will try to meet your exacting standards from this point on. and yes son, watch your language.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 02:06:31 AM
Behave you **** - I know you are a tull fan but must that presuppose your being such a total twit


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2010, 02:20:45 AM
looks like the board watched your language for u, point your bile elsewhere Mikey.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on March 14, 2010, 03:59:32 AM
Now now gentlemen.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on March 14, 2010, 08:42:01 AM
The next person to post personal abuse is banned.  >:(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2010, 09:53:22 AM

always show respect to anyone else's opinion, regardless of pedigree.


Raymond, as the instigator of this thread, nobody's followed it closer than me, and as far as I'm concerned nobody showed you any disrepect before you wrote that!  We were just sharing our opinions.  After all it doesn't matter if you're married to a member of the Dead, or a visitor from Mars, if you like an album, you like an album.  And that's even if the band who created it don't!

I think you got your nose out of joint for no good reason here.  Except that now you and Mike really have fallen out.  Shame!   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 10:50:06 AM
I unreservedly apologise for allowing myself to engage in what, at best, has been an inappropriate use of this board.

I ought to have been more mindful of the public nature of any comments, rebukes etc that I posted and that allowing myself to 'engage' was not only contrary to the spirit that informs this site but, more significantly, a disservice to Jules's original question; I hope it doesn't hinder his journey into a canon of music that, perhaps, despite the inability of some of it's fans (I speak for both Robert and myself) to engage in reasoned debate on the subject - remains one of the more interesting and gratifying side roads of contemporary music.

As for Robert and I, we shall agree to differ with no life changing loss to either one of us.

'What's so funny about peace, love & understanding'


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2010, 10:54:42 AM

a disservice to Jules's original question; I hope it doesn't hinder his journey into a canon of music that, perhaps, despite the inability of some of it's fans (I speak for both Robert and myself) to engage in reasoned debate on the subject - remains one of the more interesting and gratifying side roads of contemporary music.


No way!  I'm now officially a fan.   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
Now, does anybody want to ask about 'Mighty Baby'?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2010, 11:05:59 AM

As for Robert and I, we shall agree to differ with no life changing loss to either one of us.


Calling him Raymond might help.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 14, 2010, 11:07:11 AM

Now, does anybody want to ask about 'Mighty Baby'?


seen em, didnt particularly think they were at all memorable, and then they went and half ruined linda thompson's life


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 14, 2010, 11:22:28 AM
Yikes!! It was a joke


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on March 14, 2010, 11:34:00 AM


Now, does anybody want to ask about 'Mighty Baby'?


seen em, didnt particularly think they were at all memorable, and then they went and half ruined linda thompson's life
Huh? What's that all about then?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2010, 11:35:50 AM



Now, does anybody want to ask about 'Mighty Baby'?


seen em, didnt particularly think they were at all memorable, and then they went and half ruined linda thompson's life
Huh? What's that all about then?


They were part of the Sufi community that Richard and Linda joined.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 14, 2010, 11:37:25 AM

Yikes!! It was a joke


nobody jokes on talkawhile ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Dad Volt on March 14, 2010, 12:23:25 PM


Yikes!! It was a joke


nobody jokes on talkawhile ::)

Well you never have Jim !


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on March 14, 2010, 01:10:32 PM


As for Robert and I, we shall agree to differ with no life changing loss to either one of us.


Calling him Raymond might help.   ;)

Jules


From careful reading between the lines, Raymond might be in a difficult place right now. If possible, he may well need friends, not detractors.

IN the meantimes,


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2010, 09:26:51 PM

From careful reading between the lines, Raymond might be in a difficult place right now. If possible, he may well need friends, not detractors.


Amen to that.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: billy on March 14, 2010, 11:42:24 PM


Yikes!! It was a joke


nobody jokes on talkawhile ::)



Colin would soon put a stop to that............ ::)  It must be against some rule or other.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 16, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
OK, in some form or other the following have now been aquired and listened to:- The Golden Road; So Many Roads; Three From The Vault.

I've also got Download Series Vol 3 in FLAC form awaiting my lazy ass to transfer onto CDRs.

Next up for purchase will be Ladies & Gentlemen, The Grateful Dead.

Also on the shopping list is Steppin' Out With The Grateful Dead.

Another one I fancy is Rockin' The Rhein.  However this no longer comes with the ltd bonus disc.  If anyone knows where I might land a copy of this with the bonus disc, please let me know.

The same bonus disc issue will delay me getting a couple of the Road Trips series.  Namely Vol 1 No.3 and Vol 3  No.2.  Again, any clues to how to land these with bonus discs intact, please let me know.

And then it's Dick's Picks Volumes 35 and 30.  And Download Series Vol 10.

And that's just 1971 and 1972.  How do you professional Deadheads keep up?!?!   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 16, 2010, 04:21:52 PM
The bonus discs tend to be in pretty limited numbers and tend to sell out pretty quickly (as they are generally only sold through Deadnet, although some suppliers like Spin will get in copies as well).  They often sell at quite a premium on eBay.

One doesn't need to restate the obvious by saying that as dodgy downloads (inc as FLACs), they are available all over the place of course....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 16, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
How do you professional Deadheads keep up?!?!   :o

That's easy, you take a deep breath, accept the fact that you are always going to be broke and wallow in denial :)

'Going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride'

Failing that  - Steal


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 17, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
I know guys who never leave their homes.  All they do is download shows....or at least it seems that way.  Scary!  Every time I visit one of them, they load me down - I've got piles and piles of stuff that I've never listened to!  Sometimes I wonder if I ever will.  

I guess we've come a long way from the days of drawing pathetic Steal Your Face renderings on those Maxell UD-XL II S 90 tape covers, eh?  ;)    


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on March 18, 2010, 09:37:48 AM

 Sorry if this has already been posted - but at least there are some nice photo's here and there for fans of G.D alumni...

    http://www.furthur.net/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 18, 2010, 10:20:44 AM


 Sorry if this has already been posted - but at least there are some nice photo's here and there for fans of G.D alumni...

    http://www.furthur.net/


Talking of which...Phil's Birthday show looks sweet.  Downloading now!  (20.10 - 02.00 - that's called getting value for your buck!)

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=533496

Furthur & Friends
Phil Lesh's 70th Birthday Bash
Friday, March 12, 2010
Bill Graham Civic Auditorium
San Francisco, CA
A Benefit Concert for the Unbroken Chain Foundation
Proceeds to support Haitian Earthquake Relief

Source: Nakamichi 300 shotguns > Lunatec V3 > Sound Devices 744T

Transfer: 744T > Adobe Audition 1.5 > 24/88.2 to 16/44 > CDWave FLAC

Recorded by Pete Gilmore, Monkey Tunes
Transferred by Dawne and Pete Gilmore

Set 1 (8:10pm – 9:20pm)

Acoustic:
Phil Lesh (on Ritter bass)
Bob Weir
John Kadlecik
Jeff Chimenti
Jay Lane
Sunshine Becker
Zoe Ellis
Steve Molitz
Jackie Greene
Chris Robinson

01 Ripple (BW)
02 Lazy River Road (JK)
03 Peggy-O (CR)
04 Two Souls in Communion (CR)
05 Brokedown Palace (JG)
06 A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (BW)
07 They Love Each Other (CR)
08 Mountains of the Moon (PL)
09 Attics of My Life (All)

Set 2: (10:05pm – 11:40pm)

Phil Lesh (on Modulus bass)
Bob Weir
John Kadlecik
Jeff Chimenti
Joe Russo
Jay Lane
Sunshine Becker
Zoe Ellis
Jackie Greene
Chris Robinson

01 Scarlet Begonias (JG)
02 Minglewood Blues (BW)
03 Easy Wind (CR) >
04 New Speedway Boogie (JG)
05 Viola Lee Blues V1 (All) >
06 High Time (CR)
07 Caution Jam > Viola Lee Blues V2 (All) >
08 Hard To Handle (CR) > Viola Lee Blues V3 (All) >
09 Like A Rolling Stone (CR) >
10 Sugaree (CR)

Set 3: (12:10am – 2:00am)
Phil Lesh (on Modulus bass)
Bob Weir
John Kadlecik
Jeff Chimenti
Joe Russo
Sunshine Becker
Zoe Ellis
John Molo
Steve Molitz
Jackie Greene
Chris Robinson

01 Not Fade Away Jam (w/Parade of floats) >
02 Happy Birthday, Dear Phil! (w/Balloon drop) > Not Fade Away Jam
03 Playing in the Band (BW) > Jam >
04 St. Stephen (All) >
05 The Other One (BW) >
06 Elevator (SM lead jam) >
07 Unbroken Chain (PL)
08 Comes a Time (CR) >
09 Cream Puff War (CR) (w/two Go-Go dancers on stage) >
10 Franklin's Tower (PL, JG)
11 Donor Rap & Phil thanks the audience and band
12 Johnny B. Goode (BW)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: TimH on March 22, 2010, 02:35:24 PM
Good pics on furthur...Phil looks great, and that bass is crazy; noticed "I miss Jerry" on the amp, a defining reality for them all I would hazard...shall go listen to Aoxomoxoa, it's the one!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 22, 2010, 02:51:16 PM

shall go listen to Aoxomoxoa, it's the one!


Now, now, don't start that one up all over again!   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 22, 2010, 03:11:28 PM
Yeah, thats my insidious, well, its spelled something like that, doing. My very public apologies to Mike and Cocker in particular, spoken from the mouth of a personal hell, in which I still firmly occupy my seat. But its all a bit of a larf, its only life after all, damn demanding flesh. My perception of Aoxomoxoa is merely in reference to their pre 70 output, it is the last one I would reach for, but not without its noted charms, at least 4 that are touchstones of a sort, I just feel to a one they were fleshed out better in live performance.
Quite envious of friends who were able to make it up to Angels Camp this weekend way up in the Sierras, I still remember the bewildered naked young man being taken away by authorities there in 87 with that look of what have I done wrong officer look on his face. Or the local couple who came home to find a couple Deadheads shaw nuff doin it in their pleasant bed. Or a pissed off Bill Graham riding around on his motorcycle and trying to dispatch order. Or being trapped amongst roughly 1000 "spinners" in the midst of their unseemly ritual ;)and wondering if I was having a heart attack as my medicine took hold. Or the skydivers coming down with the skull and lightning bolt flag at the beginning of the show. Carlos joinin in on a bunch of old chestnuts like Good Morning Little Schoolgirl and positively playing with a fire that had not been evident with that edition of Santana earlier, and Jerry flashing the old cheshire cat at him. Ahh, Deadheads, some of the funniest stuff I have ever witnessed.
And this weekend had electric HotTuna? Sure would like to see Jorma and Jack as a duo at Cropredy, should be effective.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 22, 2010, 03:17:34 PM

Sure would like to see Jorma and Jack as a duo at Cropredy, should be effective.


Whilst I'd love to see Tuna at Cropredy, I (sadly) think the acoustic version of the band (let alone the duo) would get lost in the field rather....  You need to hear Jack's bass (acoustic or otherwise) bouncing off enclosed walls  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 22, 2010, 03:26:24 PM


Sure would like to see Jorma and Jack as a duo at Cropredy, should be effective.


Whilst I'd love to see Tuna at Cropredy, I (sadly) think the acoustic version of the band (let alone the duo) would get lost in the field rather....  You need to hear Jack's bass (acoustic or otherwise) bouncing off enclosed walls  :)
Now that you mention that could be true, the most effective times I have seen Tuna, particularly as a duo, was indoors. I have seen them outdoors at a couple earlier Furthur fests and sure it was great, but not the very best, some of those Jack Jorma shows indoors were kind of close to sacred. Everyone seen this little chestnut from that Airplane tour of 89? Although the set lists were good, opening with Its No Secret I think into Crown of Creation the shows were so so, but Jack and Jorma in the middle of the show were just the ticket as I believe this little You Tube shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv-AB_8Hmg0


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on March 22, 2010, 03:34:52 PM

 Thankyou Raymond  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 22, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
Indeed a splendid few minutes. Thanks Raymond.

I seem to remember HT being more than a bit good at the Stones Knebworth show in the mid 70s. In fact they were the band I enjoyed most that day.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 22, 2010, 03:51:52 PM
And on the Dead front, I've just ordered copies of Ladies & Gentlemen, and Steppin' Out.  Happy days!   :D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 22, 2010, 04:53:20 PM
I make Raymond and David hit the nail on the head regarding (Acoustic) Hot Tuna performing at a large festival but a smaller one (SoL?) with a good 'country fair' vibe could be nice - Now that's what I call 'England's dreaming'


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 22, 2010, 04:57:30 PM

I make Raymond and David hit the nail on the head regarding (Acoustic) Hot Tuna performing at a large festival but a smaller one (SoL?) with a good 'country fair' vibe could be nice - Now that's what I call 'England's dreaming'


If you can book Hot Tuna for SOL 2011, then there'll be 300 very happy hippies in a field in Kent next July  ;D

Nice clip of the '89 shows...nice to think something good came of that reunion 'cos the album is horrible....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mike Cole on March 22, 2010, 05:08:35 PM
I wish


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: TimH on March 22, 2010, 05:20:04 PM


shall go listen to Aoxomoxoa, it's the one!


Now, now, don't start that one up all over again!   ::)

Jules


Oops...controversy? Well, my declaration of love for that record isn't connected to any previous dance of the humble opinions...I've loved The Dead all my life, and as they become more idea than reality to me, that one's turned out to be the record that best triggers the feeling, with 'Wake' a close second.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 22, 2010, 05:23:54 PM

And on the Dead front, I've just ordered copies of Ladies & Gentlemen, and Steppin' Out.  Happy days!   :D

Jules


Good call. The Europe '72 shows occurred literally days before my Damascene conversion. Curses. In fact it was the Luxemburg show on the radio that did it for me.

However, the next tour in the UK in Sept '74, was rather good & some of the Ally Pally stuff appears on DP7, but in a chopped up fashion.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 30, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
Oh dear. Have just ordered this. Back at a sensible price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Description-1973-1990-Grateful-Dead/dp/B0002NUTS8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1269961013&sr=1-2

That'll be the Easter break spoken for then!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 30, 2010, 06:31:18 PM

Oh dear. Have just ordered this. Back at a sensible price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Description-1973-1990-Grateful-Dead/dp/B0002NUTS8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1269961013&sr=1-2

That'll be the Easter break spoken for then!  ;D


Heh heh heh.  Been listening to that all week, Gub.  It's a rockier road that the first one, but heck, it's a fun way to blow seventy quid.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on March 30, 2010, 07:34:30 PM


Heh heh heh.  Been listening to that all week, Gub.  It's a rockier road that the first one, but heck, it's a fun way to blow seventy quid.   ;)

Jules


I'm familiar with bits and pieces of it already, particularly the later stuff but I am really looking forward to hearing Reckoning & Dead Set. Also Go To Heaven, just because it is so controversial!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 30, 2010, 07:39:40 PM



Heh heh heh.  Been listening to that all week, Gub.  It's a rockier road that the first one, but heck, it's a fun way to blow seventy quid.   ;)

Jules


I'm familiar with bits and pieces of it already, particularly the later stuff but I am really looking forward to hearing Reckoning & Dead Set. Also Go To Heaven, just because it is so controversial!


You should love the first two you mention.  Don't hold your breath for Go To Heaven.  One man's 'controversial' is this man's 'utter turkey'.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 01, 2010, 12:17:36 PM
Wasn't sure whether to post this in "Listening to" or "Bargain bin" but put it here so that anyone getting tired of Dead references can easily ignore it.

"Postcards Of The Hanging - The Grateful Dead Perform The Songs Of Bob Dylan" & "To Terrapin - Hartford '77" (That's Connecticut, not Hertfordshire, btw).

Both cracking discs, both available at Amazon for very modest outlay. Highly recommended.

"Postcards" is £4.99 & may have the 2 track bonus disc, but info is contradictory. Some excellent performances of some great Bob songs, from various (mostly 1980s) dates, without too much interference of the man himself (Ah, just noticed its on Amazon Marketplace & therefore second hand)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Postcards-Hanging-Grateful-Perform-Songs/dp/B00006314F/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music

"To Terrapin" is the last night of the Spring '77 tour, which ranks among a lot of peoples' top tours producing the "Betty Board" tapes. Full show, 3 discs, £5.99. Mmm, scrummy. :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrapin-Live-Hartford-May-1977/dp/B001TW2S9E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1270120150&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on April 01, 2010, 05:31:06 PM

Oh dear. Have just ordered this. Back at a sensible price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Description-1973-1990-Grateful-Dead/dp/B0002NUTS8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1269961013&sr=1-2

That'll be the Easter break spoken for then!  ;D


It's here...!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 02, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
I've been getting lost in the two 4-CD sets, Ladies & Gentlemen and Steppin' Out.

Interesting to compare the two.  Whilst both are from the era I love best, the former from '71, the latter from '72, there's a marked difference.  The '71 set is ragged and sounds like a warts 'n' all document.  It's very good, but you areleft in no doubt that these are archival live recordings.  Steppin' Out however raises the stakes.  Song after song is nailed beautifully, and the jams segue into other songs in remarkable, clever ways that make you applaud or laugh.  It's heroic.  An absolutely essential set.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 20, 2010, 07:54:12 AM
Here's quite an interesting little article on the band.  Strange, but interesting.

http://www.jambands.com/news/2010/04/19/bob-lefsetz-on-the-grateful-dead


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 27, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Where next?  Here.  http://www.furthurfestival.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60

Further are playing Working man's Dead, American Beauty, Anthem, Aoxomoxoa, Terrapin & Blues for Allah in their entirity.  Plus Electric Hot Tuna and loads of other good stuff.

Cash donations gratefully accepted  ;D

Sigh..............


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 28, 2010, 09:06:15 AM
A copy of Road Trips vol 1 no. 3 (Summer '71) on its way to me.  Complete with bonus disc.  Cost me an arm and a leg on eBay, but I was gritty in my determination to have this set.

Will be hunting a copy of Road Trips vol 3 no. 2 next (Texas '71).

I think the real problem is going to be finding a copy Rockin' The Rhein complete with its original bonus disc.  That may take some time......

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 03, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
This is a goodie...cheap as chips too...

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=97;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=955807


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: peterwales on May 11, 2010, 01:16:51 AM
The GD featured as one of author's  Faye Weldon's "Desert Island Discs" (BBC Rdio4)favourite tracks last Sunday...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 11, 2010, 07:42:57 AM

The GD featured as one of author's  Faye Weldon's "Desert Island Discs" (BBC Rdio4)favourite tracks last Sunday...


Aye...Touch of Grey, I believe (although I missed it)...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 11, 2010, 08:42:54 AM
Just got my first ever Dick's Picks through the post.  Volume 35.  The high volume number fills me with a certain sense of dread.  Being a newbie Deadhead, you feel like there's such a mountain to climb.  I'll just have to try and remember to enjoy the climb and not look up, or down, too often!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 11, 2010, 08:43:38 AM


The GD featured as one of author's  Faye Weldon's "Desert Island Discs" (BBC Rdio4)favourite tracks last Sunday...


Aye...Touch of Grey, I believe (although I missed it)...


Indeed it was. She also mentioned hanging out on stage with them, but didn't explain the circumstances.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 12, 2010, 01:21:58 PM
Playing Road Trips vol 1 number 3 last night - most entertaining version of Lovelight I've yet to hear.  Lots of dynamics, lots of fun.  Really worth checking out.  It's on the bonus disc.

Some versions of this are a slog for me to get through, but this one is marked for repeat listens.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 12, 2010, 01:51:42 PM
This is a new one on me...fabulous funky version of Fire with Jerry and Carlos... It really takes off in places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmN0mFHDH2w



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on May 12, 2010, 03:29:11 PM

Just got my first ever Dick's Picks through the post.  Volume 35.  The high volume number fills me with a certain sense of dread.  Being a newbie Deadhead, you feel like there's such a mountain to climb.  I'll just have to try and remember to enjoy the climb and not look up, or down, too often!   ;)

Jules


I've probably said it before but have you looked at the Dead stuff on Archive.org, its free and legal. Theres also some Furthur.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 12, 2010, 03:31:16 PM


Just got my first ever Dick's Picks through the post.  Volume 35.  The high volume number fills me with a certain sense of dread.  Being a newbie Deadhead, you feel like there's such a mountain to climb.  I'll just have to try and remember to enjoy the climb and not look up, or down, too often!   ;)

Jules


I've probably said it before but have you looked at the Dead stuff on Archive.org, its free and legal. Theres also some Furthur.


I've tried...I've tried...but he's a stubborn old chap.  We need to get him off-piste soon, though.....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 12, 2010, 03:36:52 PM
I'm a CD collector, fellas.  I tend to only investigate the other stuff after I've bought the hard plastic things.  I like the way they look on the shelves.  Shiny things.  [drool]

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on May 13, 2010, 07:45:02 AM

I'm a CD collector, fellas.  I tend to only investigate the other stuff after I've bought the hard plastic things.  I like the way they look on the shelves.  Shiny things.  [drool]

Jules


You can stream from the site too, and listen whilst your doodling on here. ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 13, 2010, 09:25:06 AM

You can stream from the site too, and listen whilst your doodling on here. ;D


Not when you work in a library, Nick!   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on May 13, 2010, 01:15:45 PM


You can stream from the site too, and listen whilst your doodling on here. ;D


Not when you work in a library, Nick!   ;D

Jules


But The Archive is a library! ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 13, 2010, 01:22:30 PM


Not when you work in a library, Nick!   ;D

Jules


But The Archive is a library! ;D


Oh to work in that kind of library!!   :P

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 14, 2010, 10:10:01 AM
Superb footage of the Dead playing a beautiful rendition of Terrapin Station from 1977:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7TiqLGRZKU

Jerry is so bright and alert - positively radiant.  Even Donna hits the right notes, and looks lovely.  But it's Jerry who steals the show.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 14, 2010, 10:25:05 AM

Superb footage of the Dead playing a beautiful rendition of Terrapin Station from 1977:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7TiqLGRZKU

Jerry is so bright and alert - positively radiant.  Even Donna hits the right notes, and looks lovely.  But it's Jerry who steals the show.

Jules


Some very very understated playing from Jerry in the first half and then him looking more animated than ever in the last third.  Know the recording but never seen the footage before.  Very nice....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 14, 2010, 10:37:03 AM

Some very very understated playing from Jerry in the first half and then him looking more animated than ever in the last third.  Know the recording but never seen the footage before.  Very nice....


He does look beautifully animated, doesn't he?  God love him.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on May 14, 2010, 11:11:42 AM
i also watched the terrapin station video from anaheim in 87 with Brent
what a band, effin awasome


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 14, 2010, 12:13:10 PM


Some very very understated playing from Jerry in the first half and then him looking more animated than ever in the last third.  Know the recording but never seen the footage before.  Very nice....


He does look beautifully animated, doesn't he?  God love him.

Jules


Fab clip, that Spring '77 tour is one of my favourites. thanks for posting. Curious vocal effect, sounds like multi-tracking. Not come across that before with the Dead. Rest of the show is available here:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-04-27.sbd.samaritano.20331.sbefail.shnf

but seemingly, only for streaming not downloading, alas (unless anyone knows any different.  :))


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on May 18, 2010, 09:19:20 AM

Superb footage of the Dead playing a beautiful rendition of Terrapin Station from 1977:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7TiqLGRZKU

Jerry is so bright and alert - positively radiant.  Even Donna hits the right notes, and looks lovely.  But it's Jerry who steals the show.

Jules


  :D  What absolutely wonderful, poetic music! Never heard it before. Is the studio version of that song as good? And if so, is the rest of the album up to that standard? Please  [;-)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 18, 2010, 09:34:13 AM


Superb footage of the Dead playing a beautiful rendition of Terrapin Station from 1977:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7TiqLGRZKU

Jerry is so bright and alert - positively radiant.  Even Donna hits the right notes, and looks lovely.  But it's Jerry who steals the show.

Jules


  :D  What absolutely wonderful, poetic music! Never heard it before. Is the studio version of that song as good? And if so, is the rest of the album up to that standard? Please  [;-)


Like most of their studio music, the album is flawed but beautiful....a bit like Jerry himself.  Go investigate...you won't regret it.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 10:21:44 AM

What absolutely wonderful, poetic music! Never heard it before. Is the studio version of that song as good? And if so, is the rest of the album up to that standard? Please  [;-)


The studio version of Terrapin Station is superb.  It also has some later sections that the Dead didn't play live.  Well worth having.  One of my absolute faves.

The rest of the Terrapin Station album is decidedly patchy.  Bob Weir's Estimated Prophet is pretty good.  The rest of side 1 is so-so.  The title track is by far and away the best thing on there.  But it could be worth it for that alone.  Or alternatively, maybe just download the title track.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on May 18, 2010, 10:30:56 AM

 Thanks guys! I notice there's a remastered and expanded version available - more impressively, a 3cd live set 'To Terrapin' for under six quid!  :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 10:34:26 AM


 Thanks guys! I notice there's a remastered and expanded version available - more impressively, a 3cd live set 'To Terrapin' for under six quid!  :o


...as recommended by David on these very pages.

And yes, with all Dead CDs, get the expanded versions.  Bonus tracks aplenty.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 18, 2010, 01:22:53 PM


What absolutely wonderful, poetic music! Never heard it before. Is the studio version of that song as good? And if so, is the rest of the album up to that standard? Please  [;-)


The studio version of Terrapin Station is superb.  It also has some later sections that the Dead didn't play live.  Well worth having.  One of my absolute faves.

The rest of the Terrapin Station album is decidedly patchy.  Bob Weir's Estimated Prophet is pretty good.  The rest of side 1 is so-so.  The title track is by far and away the best thing on there.  But it could be worth it for that alone.  Or alternatively, maybe just download the title track.

Jules


Talking of "Terrapin", there is a really interesting extended acoustic version of the full suit (as opposed to the truncated version, as released) on a Robert Hunter solo waxing called "Jack O'Roses" from 1980. I only have it on cassette & currently can't even find that, so I'm not sure how it matches up lyrically to the "full" version published in the book "Box Of Rain" As with lots of Hunter lyrics, it's the imagery, rather than its meaning, that is its glory. A full band version of the whole suit without the pesky choir & orchestra would have been great, but its first live outing at San Bernadino in Feb '77 is well worth checking out.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 01:36:34 PM

Talking of "Terrapin", there is a really interesting extended acoustic version of the full suit (as opposed to the truncated version, as released) on a Robert Hunter solo waxing called "Jack O'Roses" from 1980. I only have it on cassette & currently can't even find that, so I'm not sure how it matches up lyrically to the "full" version published in the book "Box Of Rain" As with lots of Hunter lyrics, it's the imagery, rather than its meaning, that is its glory. A full band version of the whole suit without the pesky choir & orchestra would have been great, but its first live outing at San Bernadino in Feb '77 is well worth checking out.  :)


I'd like to hear Hunter's version.  I believe there are some lyric differences between the version on the album and the version in his book.

I like the choir and orchestra myself.  I know they're not typically Dead-like, but they add dynamics to that end section and I find it enjoyable.

Is San Bernadino the only time they navigated the end sections live?  I heard they messed up one time and then abadoned the latter sections.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 18, 2010, 02:08:33 PM


Talking of "Terrapin", there is a really interesting extended acoustic version of the full suit (as opposed to the truncated version, as released) on a Robert Hunter solo waxing called "Jack O'Roses" from 1980. I only have it on cassette & currently can't even find that, so I'm not sure how it matches up lyrically to the "full" version published in the book "Box Of Rain" As with lots of Hunter lyrics, it's the imagery, rather than its meaning, that is its glory. A full band version of the whole suit without the pesky choir & orchestra would have been great, but its first live outing at San Bernadino in Feb '77 is well worth checking out.  :)


I'd like to hear Hunter's version.  I believe there are some lyric differences between the version on the album and the version in his book.

I like the choir and orchestra myself.  I know they're not typically Dead-like, but they add dynamics to that end section and I find it enjoyable.

Is San Bernadino the only time they navigated the end sections live?  I heard they messed up one time and then abadoned the latter sections.

Jules


No, San Bernadino was played pretty much as the standard live version, if memory serves. Another cassette languishing in the bowels of our cellar. Looks like an exhumation weekend is due. You're quite correct, but I wasn't aware, apparently on 18th March '77, at the Winterland, they did give an extended version a go, up to "At A Siding", but as you say, it wasn't repeated. Must check that one out.  :)

I have a soft spot for Martyn Ford through his work with Barclay James Harvest, before they came over all European, but it just doesn't work on "Terrapin", for my money.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 18, 2010, 02:13:24 PM
RH and Larry Klein... 27 May 78

It doesn't really work, but is fascinating nevertheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De67KvTIhkE


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 18, 2010, 02:14:20 PM
In a bid to justify my ownership of a Blu ray player, or at least have something to play on it, I have this morning ordered the Woodstock 40th Anniversary Directors Cut and am delighted to find that it includes amongst its extras a 35 minute long performance by the Grateful Dead of Turn On Your Love Light. I'm looking forward to immersing myself in that.

As for Terrapin Station, that suite is the high watermark of their studio output for my money. It is so beautiful. I love it. Actually I quite like the whole album. I am yet to hear a live version though. Perhaps I should invest in the aforementioned To Terrapin set.

Perversely, I think my next port of call is going to be the collection of Dylan covers. Got to be better than the live album actually recorded with him!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 02:18:23 PM

RH and Larry Klein... 27 May 78

It doesn't really work, but is fascinating nevertheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De67KvTIhkE


And people think Garcia has a poor singing voice!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 02:20:14 PM

As for Terrapin Station, that suite is the high watermark of their studio output for my money. It is so beautiful. I love it. Actually I quite like the whole album. I am yet to hear a live version though.


Have a shufti at the version I posted a link for, Gub.  It's bloody marvelous!

I think I may agree with your thoughts regarding the song's status.  It is indeed mighty.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 18, 2010, 02:26:53 PM


RH and Larry Klein... 27 May 78

It doesn't really work, but is fascinating nevertheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De67KvTIhkE


And people think Garcia has a poor singing voice!   ;)

Jules


You've not heard Phil and Friends, have you?   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 18, 2010, 02:28:59 PM


As for Terrapin Station, that suite is the high watermark of their studio output for my money. It is so beautiful. I love it. Actually I quite like the whole album. I am yet to hear a live version though.


Have a shufti at the version I posted a link for, Gub.  It's bloody marvelous!

I think I may agree with your thoughts regarding the song's status.  It is indeed mighty.

Jules


Will do. When I get home, if I remember. No video streaming facilities here. Probably just as well!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 18, 2010, 02:38:59 PM

RH and Larry Klein... 27 May 78

It doesn't really work, but is fascinating nevertheless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De67KvTIhkE


Fascinating indeed. Oh, what might have been,it could have ended up as a full blown rock opera  ;). Thanks for posting, David. RH sounds like Jake Thackray!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 02:43:15 PM

You've not heard Phil and Friends, have you?   ;D


Really?  Because Phil had a lovely, if uncertain, singing voice back in the 70s.  Kind of like Gene Clark with more questionable pitch.  I wish Phil had sung more than he did.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 02:44:13 PM

Fascinating indeed. Oh, what might have been,it could have ended up as a full blown rock opera  ;). Thanks for posting, David. RH sounds like Jake Thackray!


I really wish the Dead had tackled the whole thing.  I believe Hunter feels the same way.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 18, 2010, 02:52:03 PM


You've not heard Phil and Friends, have you?   ;D


Really?  Because Phil had a lovely, if uncertain, singing voice back in the 70s.  Kind of like Gene Clark with more questionable pitch.  I wish Phil had sung more than he did.

Jules


Aye, all true.  But something happened (I think we can guess what) and now he sounds, well, 'challenging'.  I can live with it (as the music is so bloody good - depending on who he's playing with)...but I know a hell of a lot of people that can't!  Believe me, in relative terms, he makes Hunter sound like Placido.  (And in truth, I've heard some Hunter live stuff where his voice sounds just exactly right...it's just that particular song isn't one of them!)....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 18, 2010, 03:10:10 PM

But something happened (I think we can guess what) and now he sounds, well, 'challenging'.


[Jules scratches the side of his nose and sniffs]

Haven't got a clue what you mean, here.   ;)

Jules



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 09:24:04 AM
My copy of Road Trips vol 3, number 3 has arrived and it's an absolute stormer!  No Pig, no Donna, just Jerry, Bob, Phil, Bill and Keith as a lean, mean, fighting machine.  They're nailing everything.  The excitement level is high.  Why has 1971 not got a better reputation among Deadheads?  This show rules.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 09:56:00 AM

Why has 1971 not got a better reputation among Deadheads?  This show rules.



I'm not sure it hasn't.  Its probably only its proximity to 1972 that makes it look like that in retrospect.  

I have to say, despite being as guilty of it as any Deadhead, that the preoccupation with years is preposterous.  As though the band woke up one 1 Jan and decided they were going to be different and each year was going to be a cohesive whole...it is, talking about it like that, just insane  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 10:14:40 AM

I have to say, despite being as guilty of it as any Deadhead, that the preoccupation with years is preposterous.  As though the band woke up one 1 Jan and decided they were going to be different and each year was going to be a cohesive whole...it is, talking about it like that, just insane  :)


Well yes, quite.  Personnel changes are far more noticeable.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 10:33:21 AM
One thing that strikes me on the Road Trips Austin show is just how assured the vocals are.  On some shows Jerry sounds scared of either the microphone or of opening his throat, but here he's really singing with confidence.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 10:41:10 AM

One thing that strikes me on the Road Trips Austin show is just how assured the vocals are.  On some shows Jerry sounds scared of either the microphone or of opening his throat, but here he's really singing with confidence.

Jules


He was still only 29.  At that age, the body can cope a lot better with what we shove into it.  I'm sure there's a psychological aspect involved as well, but Jerry never treated his physical self very kindly, did he?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 10:52:17 AM

He was still only 29.  At that age, the body can cope a lot better with what we shove into it.  I'm sure there's a psychological aspect involved as well, but Jerry never treated his physical self very kindly, did he?


Yes, quite so, but even on other shows from the same period he can sometimes sound mic-shy.

I don't know much about his story other than what I've read online.  What's your recommendation for a good Jerry/Dead biography?  One that concentrates on the music as much as the characters would be preferable.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 10:54:26 AM


He was still only 29.  At that age, the body can cope a lot better with what we shove into it.  I'm sure there's a psychological aspect involved as well, but Jerry never treated his physical self very kindly, did he?


Yes, quite so, but even on other shows from the same period he can sometimes sound mic-shy.

I don't know much about his story other than what I've read online.  What's your recommendation for a good Jerry/Dead biography?  One that concentrates on the music as much as the characters would be preferable.

Jules


Still don't think there's been an altogether satisfying biog of the band or Jerry (most are utter hogwash) - although imho probably the best is Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip"...although that too is more character driven than music driven.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 10:56:47 AM

Still don't think there's been an altogether satisfying biog of the band or Jerry (most are utter hogwash) - although imho probably the best is Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip"...although that too is more character driven than music driven.  


Thanks.  Yeah, I was already thinking I'd start with that one.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: TimH on May 20, 2010, 11:21:06 AM
Anyone into Seastones?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 20, 2010, 11:46:03 AM



He was still only 29.  At that age, the body can cope a lot better with what we shove into it.  I'm sure there's a psychological aspect involved as well, but Jerry never treated his physical self very kindly, did he?


Yes, quite so, but even on other shows from the same period he can sometimes sound mic-shy.

I don't know much about his story other than what I've read online.  What's your recommendation for a good Jerry/Dead biography?  One that concentrates on the music as much as the characters would be preferable.

Jules


Still don't think there's been an altogether satisfying biog of the band or Jerry (most are utter hogwash) - although imho probably the best is Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip"...although that too is more character driven than music driven.  


Yes, I agree. Most are really rubbish & don't do the subject justice. Avoid Rock Scully's "Living With The Dead", unless you want a pretty nasty blow by blow account of what & how much was consumed. Sandy Troy's "Captain Trips" Garcia biography is OK, if a bit lightweight. Steve Parish's "Home Before Daylight", likewise. Two early books are worth checking out if you come across them at modest prices: Hank Harrison's "The Dead" first published in the early 70s & expanded in 1980 & Blair Jackson's "The Music Never Stopped", from 1983. As David said, the definitive account has yet to be written. An interesting read, if at something of a tangent, is "Bill Graham Presents" by, er, Bill Graham.

Regarding years, I think it's used just as a shorthand to divide an enormous canon of work into more manageable bites. Certainly, in my mind, I have impressions & feelings for different periods that can be roughly expressed in terms of year. I don't think it's used in any prescriptive sense, just as a sort of map.

I also agree with Jules that RT Vol.3, No.2 (Austin) is a real cracker, they sound like they're really having fun. Still deciding whether to replace my aged informal copy by splashing 40 dollars on the new Philadelphia '89 DVD/ CD.

"Seastones"? Heard it once in about 1975. I believe it was reissued fairly recently in an expanded form, but I've not heard it. Quite interesting live, as at Ally Pally in '74.





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Hank Harrison's (aka Courtney Love's Dad) book is certainly worth checking out for giving a feel of how things were around the band, but I'm not entirely sure its worth reading as a 'true' historical record!

Some of the best writing about the band I've come across was in Blair Jackson's awesome The Golden Road magazine.  I had a complete set of them and ending up selling them when skint.  They go for silly money now...  Sigh...!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 11:56:28 AM

Regarding years, I think it's used just as a shorthand to divide an enormous canon of work into more manageable bites. Certainly, in my mind, I have impressions & feelings for different periods that can be roughly expressed in terms of year. I don't think it's used in any prescriptive sense, just as a sort of map.


Good point, well made.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 20, 2010, 12:40:20 PM

Hank Harrison's (aka Courtney Love's Dad) book is certainly worth checking out for giving a feel of how things were around the band, but I'm not entirely sure its worth reading as a 'true' historical record!


Ah. Truth & history. Now there's a subject. Discuss, or rather, don't! ;D



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 01:52:33 PM


Hank Harrison's (aka Courtney Love's Dad) book is certainly worth checking out for giving a feel of how things were around the band, but I'm not entirely sure its worth reading as a 'true' historical record!


Ah. Truth & history. Now there's a subject. Discuss, or rather, don't! ;D




Its certainly a good one!  I rather contradict myself above when I say that in reality, I stick to the 'there are many truths' maxim.  I guess what I meant is Harrison's book is not very grounded in factual reality, or if it, its just his and bears little relation to any other telling of the GD story I've read....  Oh, I'm probably just making this worse, so I'll quit now  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on May 20, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
I enjoyed the Grateful Dead Reader, the shorter pieces made it more palatable as writers did not get focused on the drug use,

http://www.amazon.com/Grateful-Reader-Readers-American-Musicians/dp/0195147065


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2010, 02:33:31 PM

I enjoyed the Grateful Dead Reader, the shorter pieces made it more palatable as writers did not get focused on the drug use,

http://www.amazon.com/Grateful-Reader-Readers-American-Musicians/dp/0195147065


Thanks for the tip, though I do actually want to know about the drug use.  I mean, with the Dead, it is relevant!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on May 20, 2010, 02:59:52 PM
It's all their I think there is a great short story about Dead fans in there as well and their relationship to the band the drugs and the life style, I remember that being the most powerful pieces.

One of the problems with the Dead seems to be have been the number of people who went along for the ride and are now at a point when they need a retirement plan and the story is all they have and they feel they need to spice it up a little. Phil Lesh's book was interesting as well.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 03:05:00 PM

Phil Lesh's book was interesting as well.


Signed copies are available from your friendly dealer  ;D

Yep - that is a good read...and another 'spot on' for the GD Reader...some good stuff in there too.

I did laugh at the sentence "One of the problems with the Dead seems to be have been the number of people who went along for the ride".  So, so true...and most of them were on the payroll too, and had a vote equal to that of the band members in many regards which perpetuated the band doing ridiculous numbers of dates, particularly in the last 10 years, when Jerry's (and at times, several other band members) heart(s) wasn't in it leading to him turning to drugs as a means of relief and ultimately leading to his death.  The GD was a machine that ate itself.  Very weird.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 20, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
I've not come across the "Reader" & have yet to catch up with PL's autobiog, so thanks for the pointers. For my money, the one essential tome for any Deadhead is "Deadbase". Encyclopaedic range of info + fascinating selection of concert reviews by those who were there (as opposed to journalists), exhaustive set lists, times items played & in what sequence (for those snatches of shows without labels), song info, plus Weir & Garcia bases in some editions, alls sorts of useless info & everything a dedicated trainspotter Deadhead would want to know. Alas, later editions (up to DB XI) are going for ludicrous amounts on Amazon.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 20, 2010, 03:39:57 PM

I've not come across the "Reader" & have yet to catch up with PL's autobiog, so thanks for the pointers. For my money, the one essential tome for any Deadhead is "Deadbase". Encyclopaedic range of info + fascinating selection of concert reviews by those who were there (as opposed to journalists), exhaustive set lists, times items played & in what sequence (for those snatches of shows without labels), song info, plus Weir & Garcia bases in some editions, alls sorts of useless info & everything a dedicated trainspotter Deadhead would want to know. Alas, later editions (up to DB XI) are going for ludicrous amounts on Amazon.


They are nice to have but all the info is online...

The Deadhead's Taping Compendiums Vols I - III are good, but their price has now sky-rocketed and the Addendum (effectively Vol IV) is 300 dollars or so these days.  

Oh, books I have sold and regreted...the list is endless!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 21, 2010, 12:07:49 PM
I'm trying to hunt down a copy of Dick's Picks Volume 28.  Recordings from February 1973.  Deadnet is sold out, Spin CDs are sold out, Amazon has none, and two copies sold on eBay this past fortnight for silly prices.  Any other suggestions for places to try?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 21, 2010, 01:01:02 PM

I'm trying to hunt down a copy of Dick's Picks Volume 28.  Recordings from February 1973.  Deadnet is sold out, Spin CDs are sold out, Amazon has none, and two copies sold on eBay this past fortnight for silly prices.  Any other suggestions for places to try?

Jules


Holy Moses...who's got £105 to spend on a 4 CD set these days?  Plenty of people apparently...  Crazyness.  

Don't know what to suggest apart from the obvious, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 21, 2010, 01:46:59 PM

Holy Moses...who's got £105 to spend on a 4 CD set these days?  


I know!  I'd been watching it in 'my eBay' and thinking to myself "oh, I'm snagging that one at the last minute!".  After a couple of days of it being listed even the early bidders had driven it up to about £45 - which was past the limit I'd set myself.  I was deeply shocked when it topped a ton.

Some Dick's Picks seem to be much rarer than others.  Did they make noticeably smaller batches of some volumes I wonder......?

Still, I really fancy Volume 28.  I will not give up easily!  (And compared to finding an original copy of the Rockin' The Rhein bonus disc, it'll be a piece of p!ss.)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 21, 2010, 01:53:41 PM
Ah, the thrill of the chase!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 21, 2010, 03:02:19 PM

Ah, the thrill of the chase!  :)


Heh heh.  Yeah, something like that.  Though I would prefer it if some of the odds weren't quite so slim.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on May 26, 2010, 12:51:37 PM

 I don't know if this will interest anyone here or not, it sounds from the write-up that the filming might be a little unprofessional:

 http://spaceritual.net/tractor/gdead.htm

 The Grateful dead in England in 1970  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 29, 2010, 11:54:30 PM
Just converted Download Series Vol. 10: Paramount Northwest Theatre, Seattle, WA, 7/21/72 from FLAC to wav, so I've been listening to it today.  A storming show, with such a lovely version of He's Gone that I said "that as lovely" out loud after it had finished........and there was nobody else in the room.   :-[

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on May 31, 2010, 12:16:17 PM

Just converted Download Series Vol. 10: Paramount Northwest Theatre, Seattle, WA, 7/21/72 from FLAC to wav, so I've been listening to it today.  


Erm? What's the point in conversion? FLAC is a lossless format, as is WAV, so what do you gain?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 31, 2010, 12:31:29 PM


Just converted Download Series Vol. 10: Paramount Northwest Theatre, Seattle, WA, 7/21/72 from FLAC to wav, so I've been listening to it today.  


Erm? What's the point in conversion? FLAC is a lossless format, as is WAV, so what do you gain?


FLAC recorded CDs won't play on my system. So, unless I only want to hear stuff on the PC, I have to transfer it to WAV. I recognise I'm a techno-numpty, but if someone could put me right on this I'd be grateful.

Now listening to a rather fine, if frenetic recording from Fillmore West 29th Nov '66. Go faster! :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 31, 2010, 05:41:13 PM



Just converted Download Series Vol. 10: Paramount Northwest Theatre, Seattle, WA, 7/21/72 from FLAC to wav, so I've been listening to it today.  


Erm? What's the point in conversion? FLAC is a lossless format, as is WAV, so what do you gain?


FLAC recorded CDs won't play on my system. So, unless I only want to hear stuff on the PC, I have to transfer it to WAV. I recognise I'm a techno-numpty, but if someone could put me right on this I'd be grateful.

Now listening to a rather fine, if frenetic recording from Fillmore West 29th Nov '66. Go faster! :)


Quite right.  You can't burn an audio CD from FLAC (you can burn a CD with FLAC files on it, but that's a different matter).  So, you either listen to the FLAC files on your PC (with something like Foobar2000) or, if you want to burn a CD that plays on an, er, CD player, your change them to Wav files and burns your CD....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on June 01, 2010, 10:01:02 PM
There are several programs that can burn FLAC files to audio CDs, including the pretty widely used Nero and the freeware Burrrn (http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 01, 2010, 10:58:02 PM

There are several programs that can burn FLAC files to audio CDs, including the pretty widely used Nero and the freeware Burrrn (http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4).


Maybe I'm misinterpreting you...I know you can burn FLACs onto a disc, do it all the time, but only as storage.  They still won't play in any CD player....that was the point I was making anyway.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on June 01, 2010, 11:27:27 PM
What I mean is, there are programs that allow you to burn FLAC files to audio CDs that will play in a standard CD player, just like a CD burnt with WAV files will. They factor the decompression of the FLAC file in at burn time so you don't need to convert the file beforehand.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Paul on June 01, 2010, 11:31:54 PM
Gentlemen

Can we take the FLAC discusion to the help desk please.

Thanks,

Paul


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 02, 2010, 05:04:21 PM

What I mean is, there are programs that allow you to burn FLAC files to audio CDs that will play in a standard CD player, just like a CD burnt with WAV files will. They factor the decompression of the FLAC file in at burn time so you don't need to convert the file beforehand.


That sounds cool.  Would have saved me some considerable time with the '72 Dead stuff.

Will check the new thread if it does indeed move home....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on June 02, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
I don't think it will make it as far as a separate thread Jules but I did already link to some software for the job:


the freeware Burrrn (http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4).


Cheers,
Mike


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 03, 2010, 01:10:52 PM
Thanks, Mike, I'll look into it.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 07, 2010, 01:53:50 PM


I'm trying to hunt down a copy of Dick's Picks Volume 28.  Recordings from February 1973.  Deadnet is sold out, Spin CDs are sold out, Amazon has none, and two copies sold on eBay this past fortnight for silly prices.


Holy Moses...who's got £105 to spend on a 4 CD set these days?  Plenty of people apparently...  Crazyness.  


I just snagged a DP28 on eBay.  £28 plus £1 p+p.  Result!   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 07, 2010, 05:08:28 PM



I'm trying to hunt down a copy of Dick's Picks Volume 28.  Recordings from February 1973.  Deadnet is sold out, Spin CDs are sold out, Amazon has none, and two copies sold on eBay this past fortnight for silly prices.


Holy Moses...who's got £105 to spend on a 4 CD set these days?  Plenty of people apparently...  Crazyness.  


I just snagged a DP28 on eBay.  £28 plus £1 p+p.  Result!   :)

Jules


Its all relative I suppose, but, yes, definitely a result...you disc fetishist you....  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 07, 2010, 06:14:28 PM

Its all relative I suppose, but, yes, definitely a result...you disc fetishist you....  ;D


Heh heh heh heh.

The eBayers who forked out over £100 would be feeling pretty silly right now.....if they even cared.....or knew the value of a dollar/pound.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 14, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
I had a change of heart and mind and ordered a copy of Beyond Description from Base on Friday.  It's here already!   :)

Did anyone get in quick and score the bonus disc for this set?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on June 14, 2010, 10:10:07 AM

I had a change of heart and mind and ordered a copy of Beyond Description from Base on Friday.  It's here already!   :)

Did anyone get in quick and score the bonus disc for this set?

Jules


Unfortunately not, you had to order direct and pre release.
You can get all but the rehearsal track from the archive though. ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 14, 2010, 11:04:29 AM

I had a change of heart and mind and ordered a copy of Beyond Description from Base on Friday.  It's here already!   :)

Did anyone get in quick and score the bonus disc for this set?

Jules


What was the bonus disc then?

BD definitely worth it for Reckoning, Dead Set, Mars Hotel & much of Wake Of the Flood, Terrapin Station & In The Dark. A few other gems dotted here and there too. I can't understand why Without A Net was not included though. It leaves one official release outside of the two boxed sets. A strange decision.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on June 14, 2010, 11:31:43 AM


I had a change of heart and mind and ordered a copy of Beyond Description from Base on Friday.  It's here already!   :)

Did anyone get in quick and score the bonus disc for this set?

Jules


What was the bonus disc then?

BD definitely worth it for Reckoning, Dead Set, Mars Hotel & much of Wake Of the Flood, Terrapin Station & In The Dark. A few other gems dotted here and there too. I can't understand why Without A Net was not included though. It leaves one official release outside of the two boxed sets. A strange decision.


Just Google Beyond Description Bonus Disc and you'll get a tracklisting.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 14, 2010, 11:47:42 AM

What was the bonus disc then?

I can't understand why Without A Net was not included though. It leaves one official release outside of the two boxed sets. A strange decision.


You're forgetting Steal Your Face - also left out.

Bonus disc contents:-

Weather Report Suite (live 10/17/74)
Blues For Allah > Stronger Than Dirt Or Milkin' The Turkey > Drums > Stronger Than Dirt Or Milkin' The Turkey > Blues For Allah (live 3/23/75)
Showboat (8/12/75 rehearsal)
Shakedown Street (live 8/13/79)
Far From Me (live 8/31/80)
Estimated Prophet (live 10/10/80)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 14, 2010, 11:51:16 AM

BD definitely worth it for Reckoning, Dead Set, Mars Hotel & much of Wake Of the Flood, Terrapin Station & In The Dark.


I'd pretty much agree with that, but with stronger emphasis on Wake Of The Flood which I've now grown to love.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 14, 2010, 12:37:29 PM


You're forgetting Steal Your Face - also left out.



Oh yes. I'd entirely forgotten that! And I don't have a copy. Hmmm. How essential is that I wonder?



Edit: Expunged from the canon it would seem, judging by the Amazon prices! How odd for an official release.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 14, 2010, 01:52:03 PM
Steal Your Face?  You can pick it up cheaper.  It's a double, remember (even if it is a short double).

I've heard it and it's....it's OK.  The vocals are a bit dodgy in terms of recording quality.  They sound harsh.  But the performances are OK.  All songs, no jamming.  The hardcore Deadheads didn't like that so much, so I've read.

It's kind of been replaced by The Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack.  Same set of shows.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 15, 2010, 08:14:08 AM
The new Road Trips looks nice.  Yum yum

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-3-no-3


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 15, 2010, 09:12:08 AM

The new Road Trips looks nice.  Yum yum

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-3-no-3


Holy cow!  I'm having some of that!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 15, 2010, 10:09:27 AM

The new Road Trips looks nice.  Yum yum

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-3-no-3


Where do you get your Road Trips from, folks?  Direct from the States, or from Spin CDs, or elsewhere?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 15, 2010, 10:17:13 AM


The new Road Trips looks nice.  Yum yum

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-3-no-3


Where do you get your Road Trips from, folks?  Direct from the States, or from Spin CDs, or elsewhere?

Jules


Theoretically cheaper from the US, but can be stung by postage and customs fees....and dead.net are a bit iffy on the cutomer services front imho... I tend to buy from Spin but sometimes their prices are sometimes silly too..  Not sure of other alternatives that can guarantee the bonus discs....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 15, 2010, 10:50:40 AM

Theoretically cheaper from the US, but can be stung by postage and customs fees....and dead.net are a bit iffy on the cutomer services front imho... I tend to buy from Spin but sometimes their prices are sometimes silly too..  Not sure of other alternatives that can guarantee the bonus discs....


Yes I've been caught out by customs charges before now.  I think it's Spin for me.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 16, 2010, 09:30:10 AM
My Dick's Picks 28 arrived and so I started listening last night.  I must say it's a stormer so far - spirited and tuneful singing from the chaps, and Jerry is playing his socks off on lead.

Going to try and preorder the new Road Trips from Spin today if they're doing preorders already.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 16, 2010, 10:43:57 AM

Going to try and preorder the new Road Trips from Spin today if they're doing preorders already.


They are indeed.  Job done.   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 16, 2010, 10:46:45 AM


Going to try and preorder the new Road Trips from Spin today if they're doing preorders already.


They are indeed.  Job done.   :)

Jules


Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 16, 2010, 11:49:46 AM

Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 16, 2010, 11:53:10 AM


Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Thanks!  *hunts around in wallet*

Btw, seen the Dead net footy shirts?

http://store.dead.net/t-shirts/brazil-soccer-t-shirt


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 16, 2010, 12:01:46 PM

Btw, seen the Dead net footy shirts?

http://store.dead.net/t-shirts/brazil-soccer-t-shirt


Dear oh dear - they certainly know how to adapt those logos and designs don't they?

It's a niche market though.  Footie and the Dead.  At the same time.   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 20, 2010, 10:03:27 AM


Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Looks like a great package.

Just checked Deadnet & with postage to the UK it works out about £24. Customs charges only kick in on items above £18 (postages costs don't count). Over the donkey's years I've used them, I've had two problems with orders. Both were resolved promptly & without quibble. So, speak as you find. Even with foreign transaction fees, it still works out marginally cheaper.

Awaiting my chum's return from the US with a copy the Philadelphia CD/DVD set, avoiding the somewhat inflated postal charges.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 20, 2010, 06:02:28 PM

Customs charges only kick in on items above £18 (postages costs don't count).


I didn't know that.  I will file that nugget of info away somewhere for future reference.  Thanks, Ian.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on June 21, 2010, 12:29:48 AM



Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Looks like a great package.

Just checked Deadnet & with postage to the UK it works out about £24. Customs charges only kick in on items above £18 (postages costs don't count). Over the donkey's years I've used them, I've had two problems with orders. Both were resolved promptly & without quibble. So, speak as you find. Even with foreign transaction fees, it still works out marginally cheaper.

Awaiting my chum's return from the US with a copy the Philadelphia CD/DVD set, avoiding the somewhat inflated postal charges.



Did we not raise the limit from £18 to about £100 a year or two back?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 21, 2010, 08:49:31 AM




Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Looks like a great package.

Just checked Deadnet & with postage to the UK it works out about £24. Customs charges only kick in on items above £18 (postages costs don't count). Over the donkey's years I've used them, I've had two problems with orders. Both were resolved promptly & without quibble. So, speak as you find. Even with foreign transaction fees, it still works out marginally cheaper.

Awaiting my chum's return from the US with a copy the Philadelphia CD/DVD set, avoiding the somewhat inflated postal charges.



Did we not raise the limit from £18 to about £100 a year or two back?


Well, yes & no, according to HMRC:

No excise duty (on cds, anyway). No Customs duty under £120. Import VAT duty kicks in on items over £18. I thought there were plans afoot to increase this amount, but can't recall details & it was some time ago. Anyway, link for details below.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/buying.htm#1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 22, 2010, 10:27:49 AM

My Dick's Picks 28 arrived and so I started listening last night.  I must say it's a stormer so far - spirited and tuneful singing from the chaps, and Jerry is playing his socks off on lead.


Just to add to this, I've played the 3rd disc (the first part of the Salt Lake City show) through twice now and I declare it to be the most consistently superb disc of live Dead I've heard so far.  They nail everything.  The singing is first rate, even the harmonies (yes, Donna included).  And another sublime version of He's Gone.  Marvelous.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on June 23, 2010, 02:52:59 PM


Btw, seen the Dead net footy shirts?

http://store.dead.net/t-shirts/brazil-soccer-t-shirt


Dear oh dear - they certainly know how to adapt those logos and designs don't they?

It's a niche market though.  Footie and the Dead.  At the same time.   :o

Jules


I've got a "Skull & Roses" cycling jersey - proper job, long length zip, 3 back pockets.  Didn't get it from dead.net, though... a cycling specialist on t'interweb.  Seenm a few DSOTM jerseys around, no other Dead ones.  I'd love a "Crimson King" (the face...) one!

It may get an(other) outing on Sunday - the Sue Ryder (Leckhampton) charity ride.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 25, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
Just bagged a second hand copy of Dick's Picks Volume 24 (a 1974 show with the "Wall Of Sound") on the Amazon Marketplace for £4.22 including p+p.

Reviewers seem to think it's not such a hot show, but at that price, how could I resist?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 27, 2010, 07:53:21 PM
Road Trips Volume 3 Number 3 (Fillmore East May 1970) was waiting on the doormat when I got home from work on Friday.  Which was nice.  And so far, so very good.   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on June 30, 2010, 10:04:53 PM

Just bagged a second hand copy of Dick's Picks Volume 24 (a 1974 show with the "Wall Of Sound") on the Amazon Marketplace for £4.22 including p+p.

Reviewers seem to think it's not such a hot show, but at that price, how could I resist?

Jules


It is a good price.......but not a very good show, I'm afraid.  I've always thought that they sort of ambushed themselves here.  While the "Wall" would later inspire them to reach their most ethereal peak, I believe it must have been a real bug fest that evening...and distracting.  EXAMPLE: Remember, the first time trying to use a delay live?  For me, it wasn't too purty!  :)

 


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 02, 2010, 08:57:06 AM


Just bagged a second hand copy of Dick's Picks Volume 24 (a 1974 show with the "Wall Of Sound") on the Amazon Marketplace for £4.22 including p+p.

Reviewers seem to think it's not such a hot show, but at that price, how could I resist?

Jules


It is a good price.......but not a very good show, I'm afraid.  


Well it arrived yesterday, so I played it, and.....well, I didn't think it was too shabby at all.  It started off sounding unbalanced but improved quickly, though the one noticeable downside is that Jerry sounds quite restreained throughout.  I take it that's why it doesn't enjoy a decent reputation as a show.  Though a ferocious and rocking version of Deal stood out as an exception.  Weir on good form.  As is Keith who takes his turn to shine whilst Jerry takes something of a back seat.  But I enjoyed it.  Certainly didn't strike me as any less enjoyable than the Winterland 1973 shows, which have a largely similar setlist.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 03, 2010, 10:08:10 AM
Just scooped up Jerry Garcia's 3rd 'solo' album Reflections, half of which features the Dead mid way between Blues For Allah and Terrapin Station.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 03, 2010, 10:29:38 AM

Just scooped up Jerry Garcia's 3rd 'solo' album Reflections, half of which features the Dead mid way between Blues For Allah and Terrapin Station.

Jules


Great stuff. I'm particularly fond of this & his first solo album. Hope you got the Rhino version as the previous release, on Line, suffers from pretty poor sound. Better yet, the later issue has bonus tracks. Best of all is the "All Good Things" box set with all 5 solo discs + bonus tracks & a 6th outtakes disc. Fab.

If you're on a Jerry jag & you haven't already, I can recommend the "Live at Keystone" series. (Keystones 1 & 2 + Encores") with Merle Saunders, recorded in '73(?), each is available separately & a delight from start to finish.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on July 03, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
I'd have to be reminded what Jerry band outings in any year are not well worthwhile. I actually most strongly recommend his outings from 89 on, frequently more satisfying than the Dead were in those years, and I am someone who has a much kinder assessment of the Dead in their final years than many. The magic did not happen as often but it still was not an infrequent visitor. Highly recommend an acoustic one I saw at Marin Civic in early 86, a recent release in that series I think they call Just Jerry. Hey Now!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 03, 2010, 05:05:59 PM

I'd have to be reminded what Jerry band outings in any year are not well worthwhile. I actually most strongly recommend his outings from 89 on, frequently more satisfying than the Dead were in those years, and I am someone who has a much kinder assessment of the Dead in their final years than many.


Yep.  Frequently and consistently more satisfying than the Dead in later years....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 03, 2010, 06:49:35 PM

Hope you got the Rhino version as the previous release, on Line, suffers from pretty poor sound. Better yet, the later issue has bonus tracks. Best of all is the "All Good Things" box set with all 5 solo discs + bonus tracks & a 6th outtakes disc. Fab.


I got the version with bonus tracks.  Same with the first album.  Of course now I wish I'd gone for the boxed set for that 6th disc!   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 13, 2010, 08:08:42 PM
We are everywhere...  ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1293649/Justin-Timberlake-reveals-love-Grateful-Dead-goes-jog-New-York.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on July 13, 2010, 08:29:36 PM

We are everywhere...  ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1293649/Justin-Timberlake-reveals-love-Grateful-Dead-goes-jog-New-York.html
There is a chance that he just thinks its an attractive symbol but who knows. I feel certain that at the apex of their popularity 20 or 25 years ago I recall folks buying that symbol for similar reasons that, Americans at least, used to afix the STP oil sticker on their sports or other car. Anyway, he's the guy that used to be married to or boyfriend of Brittney Spears right? There have been other people who I was surprised, and frankly would prefer not to have known,were, if not Deadheads, people who have seen them, most unsettlingly, infamous American right wing pundit, writer, etc, Anne Coulter.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 14, 2010, 07:37:28 AM


We are everywhere...  ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1293649/Justin-Timberlake-reveals-love-Grateful-Dead-goes-jog-New-York.html
There is a chance that he just thinks its an attractive symbol but who knows. I feel certain that at the apex of their popularity 20 or 25 years ago I recall folks buying that symbol for similar reasons that, Americans at least, used to afix the STP oil sticker on their sports or other car. Anyway, he's the guy that used to be married to or boyfriend of Brittney Spears right? There have been other people who I was surprised, and frankly would prefer not to have known,were, if not Deadheads, people who have seen them, most unsettlingly, infamous American right wing pundit, writer, etc, Anne Coulter.


I think the best one was David Beckham wearing a Crass t-shirt a few years back!  I'm sure Justin hasn't a clue what he's wearing...he's probably berating his stylist as we speak.  But still, if it gets the Daily Mail talking about the Dead it can't be all bad.  Possibly.

And, sad as some of us might think it, there's no shortage of Deadheads on the Right of the political spectrum...that hippie 'libertarianism' for want of a better word was never a 'liberal' preserve....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 14, 2010, 11:59:04 AM





Now I could check but as you're here...how much in total, Jules?


I think he said £29.99 including postage.  It's a 4 disc job this time remember, so not so bad.

Jules


Looks like a great package.

Just checked Deadnet & with postage to the UK it works out about £24. Customs charges only kick in on items above £18 (postages costs don't count). Over the donkey's years I've used them, I've had two problems with orders. Both were resolved promptly & without quibble. So, speak as you find. Even with foreign transaction fees, it still works out marginally cheaper.

Awaiting my chum's return from the US with a copy the Philadelphia CD/DVD set, avoiding the somewhat inflated postal charges.



Did we not raise the limit from £18 to about £100 a year or two back?


Well, yes & no, according to HMRC:

No excise duty (on cds, anyway). No Customs duty under £120. Import VAT duty kicks in on items over £18. I thought there were plans afoot to increase this amount, but can't recall details & it was some time ago. Anyway, link for details below.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/buying.htm#1



Not quite as quick as spin, perhaps, but from source, RT Vol.3, No.3 ( Fillmore East, 15/05/70) arrived this morning. Two copies ordered which should, in theory have attracted VAT, but happily, whoever filled out the Customs declaration scrawled the price illegibly & no surcharge was applied. Result  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 14, 2010, 12:14:25 PM

Not quite as quick as spin, perhaps, but from source, RT Vol.3, No.3 ( Fillmore East, 15/05/70) arrived this morning. Two copies ordered which should, in theory have attracted VAT, but happily, whoever filled out the Customs declaration scrawled the price illegibly & no surcharge was applied. Result  :)


Good man yerself, Ian!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on July 14, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
Careful, we have a HM Revenue & Customs employee around these parts, I think.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 14, 2010, 12:26:38 PM

Careful, we have a HM Revenue & Customs employee around these parts, I think.


Can't we just bribe him.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 14, 2010, 12:41:04 PM

Careful, we have a HM Revenue & Customs employee around these parts, I think.


Come & get me rozzers. You'll never take me alive  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 14, 2010, 01:03:24 PM


Careful, we have a HM Revenue & Customs employee around these parts, I think.


Come & get me rozzers. You'll never take me alive  ;D


That's right - he ain't goin' dahhhn for this caper, you muppets!  Even if he is banged to rights.  My boy ain't doin' no stir.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 14, 2010, 03:28:24 PM



Careful, we have a HM Revenue & Customs employee around these parts, I think.


Come & get me rozzers. You'll never take me alive  ;D


That's right - he ain't goin' dahhhn for this caper, you muppets!  Even if he is banged to rights.  My boy ain't doin' no stir.

Jules


From the band introductions on the new Road Trips:

Bill Graham: "From 710 Ashbury Street, Mr Jerry Garcia":

JG: "They'll never take me alive".

Thus proving definitively that space truly is deep  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 14, 2010, 03:38:36 PM

From the band introductions on the new Road Trips:

Bill Graham: "From 710 Ashbury Street, Mr Jerry Garcia":

JG: "They'll never take me alive".

Thus proving definitively that space truly is deep  ;D


And the similarly delightful exchange between Jerry and the girl in the audience wanting to know where his beard has gone, to which he replies "I don't ask you about your beard!".  Wonderful.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 02, 2010, 08:34:42 AM
OK - slightly off topic here, but... I spotted a remastered edition of the Dylan/Dead CD over the weekend for £3 (in RISE).

I've never actually heard this album, but I've read that it's truly awful - now, was it the sound quality of the original, or the recording quality, or the playing and/or singing that made/make it so bad? Is it worth £3?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 02, 2010, 08:49:30 AM

OK - slightly off topic here, but... I spotted a remastered edition of the Dylan/Dead CD over the weekend for £3 (in RISE).

I've never actually heard this album, but I've read that it's truly awful - now, was it the sound quality of the original, or the recording quality, or the playing and/or singing that made/make it so bad? Is it worth £3?


It was a bit muddy, soundwise & perhaps not the happiest of performances, but for £3? Yes, just about, but manage your expectations. There are much better documents of the tour around & the rehearsals have some really nice moments.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on August 04, 2010, 01:54:41 AM
OK, I've just stumbled upon this thread, had no idea it was going on for some reason.  I've been a Dead fan since 1969 - I was 12, into folk music, and heard Workingman's Dead, and was hooked.  (Probably about the same time I discovered Fairport.)  Saw them many times starting in 1975, and the last time was during the Dylan and The Dead tour, in Washington DC.  I believe it was a few days before Jerry went into the coma. So I'd like to put in my 2 cents.  It was a horrible show, and that Dylan and the Dead album captures it perfectly.

But while I'm here, I'd like to give you all my favorites list (in case there's someone still looking for recommendations for places to start), starting with what I consider their best album:
Europe '72 - The reason it's so good is that they re-recorded 90% of the vocals in the studio (sorry if this has been touched on here - I could read through all 20 or so pages).  They set up their instrument amps exactly like they had done on stage during that tour and piped through all their individual parts, and then sang over that.  So the harmonies are immeasurably better than they could ever actually pull off live. They had done similar live/studio combinations within a song earlier (Skull & Roses and Anthem of the Sun) but never as a plan of attack for a whole release.  It's everything I think they hoped they would sound like live.
And in no particular order, because it would change tomorrow:
Mars Hotel
American Beauty
Workingman's Dead
Skull & Roses
Wake of the Flood
Anthem of the Sun
Blues for Allah- they go to the brink of being a progressive jazz band, but it seems they decided against it

Of the myriad From The Vault and Dick's Picks and other later-on releases of live shows, may I heartily recommend the first one ("One From The Vault").  It was their first time back playing after an extended break (which they never did), debuting songs which would appear later on Blues for Allah.  It was a small venue, typical for that era (1975) and was an FM live broadcast at the time, so everyone had a bootleg for many years before they released the CD.

Finally, a must for any collection is Old & In The Way, maybe the best bluegrass album ever recorded, teaming up Garcia and his folkie buddies with Vassar Clements.  Great version of the Stones' Wild Horses.

OK I'm done.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 04, 2010, 09:22:49 PM

They set up their instrument amps exactly like they had done on stage during that tour and piped through all their individual parts, and then sang over that.  


I'm confused by this part - if they were recording vocals, why did they set up their amps?  And what does "piped through their individual parts" mean?  They re-recorded the instruments too?  Like I sai, I'm confused!   ???

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on August 04, 2010, 11:00:50 PM
As I understand it, the live recordings were done on a multi-track system.  Then in the studio each individual instrument track was played through its appropriate amplifier, without the vocals being played back.  They then sang the new vocals, with their vocal mikes picking up the ambient sounds of the amps in the same way that they would in a live setting, and these new vocal tracks replaced the original ones.  No headphones, no isolation, etc., just the ability to make things sound as if it was all done at once.  The main thing is that the instrumental tracks were indeed live, picking the cream, without considering how good or bad the original vocals may have been, of the versions of the songs played on that tour.  There were bootlegs back then of the original recordings (I presume they're still out there in download-land), and it's almost funny to hear the exact same notes being played, but with the usual iffy live vocals.  They never play the a song the same way twice, so it was pretty easy to notice.  There are places on the album where you can hear the difference - where no new vocals were done.

I think that they just wanted to get the same feel as singing live, as opposed to the rather sterile nature of the normal type of overdubbing.

By the way, the other reason I really like Europe '72, as well as American Beauty, Skull & Roses, WOTF and Mars Hotel, is because there's only one drummer on those recordings, Mickey Hart having left the band for 5 years or so, and it makes for a much more precise sound.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 05, 2010, 02:26:36 AM
So the live recording of the instruments was played back though the amps while they nailed the vocals?  Weird.  But totally cool!

And I think I agree about preferring one drummer.  Especially when that drummer's Bill K.  I know Jerry and Phil get most of the attention from fans and musos for their musical chops, but if I had to nominate one of the Dead for my top player award it might well be Bill.  He's phenomenally good, night after night after night.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on August 05, 2010, 03:13:43 AM
From Wikipedia: "Although Europe '72 is billed as a live album, the songs featured on the release were subject to significant overdubs after the fact, specifically with respect to the lush harmony vocals. Unadulterated multitrack recordings of the performances used for the album are no longer available (because they were simply snipped from the multitrack concert tapes whereupon the band overdubbed directly onto them, destroying the originals) but, for example, the available two-track soundboard recording of the May 10, 1972 show indicates the band had not yet figured out the vocal arrangements for "He's Gone" that would later be overdubbed in the United States."

And yup, glad it was Kreutzmann.  He's got some great comments in the movie about how when he plays it's like dancing.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 06, 2010, 12:05:16 PM

the available two-track soundboard recording of the May 10, 1972 show indicates the band had not yet figured out the vocal arrangements for "He's Gone" that would later be overdubbed in the United States."


Disappointingly, the version of He's Gone on Europe '72 fades early and you don't get the lovely harmonies on the tag section.  I've heard other versions since (eg the wonderful version on disc 3 of Dick's Picks 28 from early '73) that are much closer to being definitive.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 09, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
Amazingly, it's fifteen years today since Jerry's demise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc&feature=related


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 09, 2010, 06:07:27 PM

Amazingly, it's fifteen years today since Jerry's demise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc&feature=related


Amazing indeed, although maybe its equally amazing he lasted just as long as he did....

The (in my opinion best bit of the) final gig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZQiAQRMhyM


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on August 09, 2010, 06:13:52 PM
Nice job Ian. Can't help but feel it for Vinnie Welnick who was a very sweet man, who made the decision a couple years ago to deal with the sometimes overwhelming pain of life by taking a knife to his own throat. Oddly I suppose, though he had known Jerry for a much shorter period, he had the most difficulty dealing with his demise. For me and thousands after that coma Jerry had in 86, it was more a matter of when, I recall Brent Mydland's passing 5 years earlier as much more shocking. Will always be pleased that apparently Jerry left this world with a smile on his face, like the song Brokedown Palace says, "I love you more than words can tell."


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: TimH on August 18, 2010, 11:43:31 AM
Vince Welnick killed himself? What a tragedy.

I've been listening to NRPS, and can't help hearing 'American Beauty' gestating in there. Dave Torbert sounds like the rock version of Phil, great bass player.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mark Lavallee on August 18, 2010, 09:10:14 PM
Didn't expect to see The Dead come up over here.  Just joined today.  They've long been my favorite band, caught 'em 81 times between April 17, 1987 and May 21, 1995, even on an off-night they were still the best band on the planet.  The vault releases have been wonderful.  I was a longtime DAT trader but gave it all up once CD-Rs became available and quality instantly dropped.  Realized I'd never have the time to listen to over 2000 Dead shows and sold off my collection, they've kept me plenty satisfied over the years with the vault releases, could go for a bit more acknowledgement of the 80s and 90s but I don't complain!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on August 25, 2010, 10:59:41 PM
Got any extra cash lying around?  How 'bout buying this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481586509

Sadly, it says no international shipments, but I'd be happy to store it here for you!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 26, 2010, 08:00:41 AM

Got any extra cash lying around?  How 'bout buying this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481586509

Sadly, it says no international shipments, but I'd be happy to store it here for you!


Its a crazy world.  (Maybe you could buy Salinger's toilet and then lean one against t'other....?!)

I'd love to know how much Parish was paid for it....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 27, 2010, 07:37:15 AM
Good news for the 80's Heads....

This was posted on S7 (an online GD forum):

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [S7] New vault releases

These look good. The listening party samples are a real tease :)

http://www.dead.net/listeningparty-v3n4#
http://www.dead.net/listeningparty-warlocks#


Grateful Dead Archival Releases - Formerly The Warlocks & Road Trips Vol. 3
No. 4


The Grateful Dead's vault must have a gash because
two big releases on are on the horizon. Road Trips Vol. 3 No.
4features
highlights from May 6 and May 7, 1980 while Formerly
The
Warlockscontains
the complete Hampton '89 shows over six discs.


The latest Road Trips release focuses on an interesting period in the band's
history. Newcomer Brent Mydland was injecting new life into songs and
becoming more comfortable with each passing show. This pair of shows -
played at Penn State's  Recreation Hall and Cornell's Barton Hall - focuses
heavily on material from the recently released Go To Heaven and also
includes a number of stellar jams including a blazing China > Rider and a
top-notch Cassidy. There's also good versions of the  Lost Sailor > Saint of
Circumstance and Lazy Lightning > Supplication pairings.

Formerly The Warlocks contains every note played at the band's legendary run
of the same name at the Hampton Coliseum on October 8 and 9, 1989. This
marks the group's first box-set release focusing on material from the '80s.
There are plenty of highlights on these shows - of which high-quality
recordings have circulated for years - including bust outs of Dark Star,
Help On The Way > Slipknot! and Attics of My Life. Both sets are available
for purchase now with Formerly The
Warlocks running $69.99 and Road Trips setting you back $23.98.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 27, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
Thanks David, faster than Deadnet!  :)

But hark. What's that? It's the sound of p*** being taken. With p&p, over one hundred American dollars for 9 discs? The Road Trips I can live with, even without bonus discs, but those shysters at Rhino are certainly ratcheting up the price, with 6 discs & a bunch of tacky "souvenirs" for $70. C'mon.  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2010, 10:07:26 PM
This is rather lovely.  (Incidentally, the Yonder Mountain String Band would be great for Cropredy).  The Yonders doing Franklin with Bill and Mickey on board....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkglGFSDEs


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 04, 2010, 02:41:24 PM

This is rather lovely.  (Incidentally, the Yonder Mountain String Band would be great for Cropredy).  The Yonders doing Franklin with Bill and Mickey on board....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkglGFSDEs


Seconded. Thanks, David.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on September 18, 2010, 05:48:12 PM
Thought maybe somebody here might like this, figured this was the right thread - my band, who plays out maybe once every 2 years or so, whether we want to or not, covering "Scarlet Begonias", with our usual reggae-ish treatment of things (at least before the jam section):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KBB7R_OQ


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on September 22, 2010, 08:49:32 AM

 Does anybody know if the 'Closing of Winterland' dvd set was ever available in the UK format?

 Thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 22, 2010, 09:31:18 AM


 Does anybody know if the 'Closing of Winterland' dvd set was ever available in the UK format?

 Thanks.  :)


Checked packaging & can find no indication that it is region specific. Plays OK on my undoctored & ancient steam driven DVD, so assume it is readable in all areas.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on September 22, 2010, 10:37:24 AM

 Hi Ian

 The reason I ask is because the only version I can find for sale is here:

 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Closing-Winterland-Dol-Region-NTSC/dp/B0000C5090


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 22, 2010, 11:30:37 AM


 Hi Ian

 The reason I ask is because the only version I can find for sale is here:

 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Closing-Winterland-Dol-Region-NTSC/dp/B0000C5090


Sorry, I've reached the outer limits of my competence on this. I've checked my copy  again, but cannot find any reference to it being exclusively NSTC format, although it is a US release. I'm sure someone around here can offer sound advice.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on September 22, 2010, 11:33:02 AM

 Thanks anyway Ian  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on September 22, 2010, 01:29:12 PM
how much does it cost?
can you afford it and still put meat on the table for your loved ones?
if the answers to both those questions are yes then the following course of action may be open to you
buy the bloody thing and find out
if it doesn't flog it on amazon market place or ebay, you might even make a profit

jeez youre only buying a dvd


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 22, 2010, 02:09:46 PM

jeez youre only buying a dvd


Have a little couth, Jim!  Has someone been rattling your cage?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PLW (Peter) on September 22, 2010, 02:25:55 PM


can you afford it and still put meat on the table for your loved ones?


Assuming they're not vegetarians.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 22, 2010, 06:48:41 PM


 Does anybody know if the 'Closing of Winterland' dvd set was ever available in the UK format?

 Thanks.  :)


I think it must be multi region Ian. My dvd player is about 8 years old, and it plays superbly on mine too. You'll love it incidentally.  [;-)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 23, 2010, 09:15:11 AM
My latest Dick's Picks CD has arrived in Englnad - but now I have to go and pay almost as much again in customs duties.  I'm seriously ticked off.  Won't get fooled again!   >:(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 26, 2010, 02:11:06 PM

My latest Dick's Picks CD has arrived in Englnad - but now I have to go and pay almost as much again in customs duties.  I'm seriously ticked off.  Won't get fooled again!   >:(

Jules


Ive been caught like that a couple of times too. Sometimes they seem to squeeze through unnoticed without penalty don't they?  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 26, 2010, 08:01:46 PM

Ive been caught like that a couple of times too. Sometimes they seem to squeeze through unnoticed without penalty don't they?  


One lives in hope.  I have a 6 CD set of Allan Sherman on its way from the States.  I found it for £70 which is the best price I could find anywhere on the net.  It's over £120 from Amazon UK.  So either way I shan't moan on this one.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on September 26, 2010, 08:46:49 PM
That's a lot of Allan Sherman!  :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on September 26, 2010, 09:05:00 PM
Allan Sherman?
as in "hello mudda hello fadda"?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 27, 2010, 08:53:03 AM

Allan Sherman?
as in "hello mudda hello fadda"?


Quote from: GubGub
That's a lot of Allan Sherman!


Yep.  My parents were fans and their enthusiasm rubbed off on me.  We didn't share a love of much music, so Allan Sherman was like bonding glue for our family.  Therefore I can't get too much Allan Sherman.  It'll help me think nice thoughts about my mum and dad, who are now no longer with us.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on September 27, 2010, 11:39:28 AM
the very thought of his records takes me back to a big brown wireless with athlone, luxembourg and hilversum on the dial, the smell of a big pan of cabbage on the cooker and the old fella smoking for england
 its a good place


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on September 27, 2010, 12:34:39 PM
There is something strangely wonderful about the fact that we can be discussing the Dead and Allan Sherman in the same thread!  :)

In the meantime I hope I don't get stuck with delays and customs charges like your Dick's Picks. I have ordered Dylan's Witmak Demos set from Amazon.com to get the bonus disc. Only $20 for the lot including p&p so I hope it is under the limit.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 27, 2010, 01:11:05 PM

There is something strangely wonderful about the fact that we can be discussing the Dead and Allan Sherman in the same thread!  :)


I think so too.  Some of the mods here might disagree with us though!   :(

Quote
In the meantime I hope I don't get stuck with delays and customs charges like your Dick's Picks. I have ordered Dylan's Witmark Demos set from Amazon.com to get the bonus disc. Only $20 for the lot including p&p so I hope it is under the limit.


You should be OK then.  I've preordered the Dylan mono box with that bonus disc, but I may well get the demos set as well.....and may well even get the US version like you've done and get a spare bonus disc!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 27, 2010, 06:14:34 PM

Allan Sherman?
as in "hello mudda hello fadda"?

 
'Camp is very entertaining, and they say we'll have some fun when it stops raining'   Is that him?   ??? :-\


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on September 28, 2010, 11:03:26 AM
I know you are desperate for us to get back on topic Paul but for Jules' benefit, there is a short article in the new Mojo about the new Allan Sherman reissues.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 28, 2010, 11:10:45 AM

I know you are desperate for us to get back on topic Paul but for Jules' benefit, there is a short article in the new Mojo about the new Allan Sherman reissues.


Cool.  Thanks, Gub.  (Though I went for the box over the new reissues because of the bonus tracks).

Uh...any Grateful Dead content in the new Mojo, Gub?   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: GubGub (Al) on September 28, 2010, 11:13:29 AM


I know you are desperate for us to get back on topic Paul but for Jules' benefit, there is a short article in the new Mojo about the new Allan Sherman reissues.


Cool.  Thanks, Gub.  (Though I went for the box over the new reissues because of the bonus tracks).

Uh...any Grateful Dead content in the new Mojo, Gub?   ;)

Jules


Er, probably. I haven't looked that closely. There is an obituary for Ritchie Hayward who played with Little Feat who featured Lowell George who played on a couple of Grateful Dead recordings. Does that help?  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 30, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
Still grooving to Dick's Picks 33.  They rock mightily on Franklin's Tower.  They almost sound like they're about to metamorphosise into The Who at the end!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 09, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
"Road Trips Vol. 3, No.4" (Penn State & Cornell Unis) + "Formerly The Warlocks" box set (Hampton Oct '89) just been delivered as a gift from a chum returning from US (ha, take that HMR&C). Warlocks packaging is really over the top, nice but hardly essential & could have lopped $20 off the asking price.

RT has an interesting mix with Weir very prominent. So far, so good. Interesting that the bootleggers' favourite of Cornell 8th May '77 hasn't appeared yet, perhaps because it's so readily available as a download.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 09, 2010, 05:20:30 PM

Interesting that the bootleggers' favourite of Cornell 8th May '77 hasn't appeared yet, perhaps because it's so readily available as a download.


There's another big favourite from 1972, the Veneta show, which is always mentioned in dispatches but which likewise has yet to make it out as an officia relase.  I'm thinking like you that they mut reckon that everyone has it as a boot or a download.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 11, 2010, 03:13:57 PM


Interesting that the bootleggers' favourite of Cornell 8th May '77 hasn't appeared yet, perhaps because it's so readily available as a download.


There's another big favourite from 1972, the Veneta show, which is always mentioned in dispatches but which likewise has yet to make it out as an officia relase.  I'm thinking like you that they mut reckon that everyone has it as a boot or a download.

Jules


Indeed.  I've seen bits of great quality film footage, from that show, but not the whole thing. It would make a good candidate for a "View From The Vaults" series. The weather was so hot the band's instruments kept going out of tune (their excuse anyway) & I think a lot of heat stroke cases. Good show, none the less.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 11, 2010, 03:31:44 PM

The weather was so hot the band's instruments kept going out of tune (their excuse anyway)


Really?  Because some of the fans talk about it like it's some perfect gig, some holy grail!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 11, 2010, 06:24:32 PM

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Indeed.  I've seen bits of great quality film footage, from that show, but not the whole thing. It would make a good candidate for a "View From The Vaults" series. The weather was so hot the band's instruments kept going out of tune (their excuse anyway) & I think a lot of heat stroke cases. Good show, none the less.
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Is this the show Ian, where most Deadheads say the best ever Dark Star was performed?  Wasn't it a benefit for Ken Kesey's farmer brother or something? I stand to be corrected however.  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 11, 2010, 09:16:58 PM
There's a rather fascinating (depending on your point of view!) interview with Charlie Miller (GD taper and upgrader extraordinaire) here...

http://www.darkstarpalace.com/2010_10_01_archive.html

Lots of other interesting stuff on that site too...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2010, 09:22:33 AM

Is this the show Ian, where most Deadheads say the best ever Dark Star was performed?


I'm pretty sure it's one and the same, Pete.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 12, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
The Veneta show, if not the best, is the one of the most psychically important shows, or some such hyperbolic guff. It is, however, indeed a cracker. It was arranged as a benefit for Ken Kesey's family's creamery business & tickets were printed on the back of yoghurt pot labels. It was intended as a field trip party for the extended Dead & Prankster families.

Temperature on the day allegedly reached 108F, presumably unusual for Oregon, but as one who flakes when the glass goes over 70F, it must have been hell without much shade available. As folks started to wilt, a bowser was detailed to spray the crowd with water, but in the nick of time, Kesey's brother realised the truck was that used to empty the portable loos & another was hastily found. Phew.

At one point Weirs announces "Well, the sun's making our instruments get mighty strange. So they'll be out of tune for a little while". Later; "We're changing our name to The Sunstroked Serenaders". Ultimately, they abandoned the second set, (Weir) "We're gonna take another break, let the sun go down a little more and come back and play some more", which the duly did, turning in a 30+ min "Dark Star>El Paso".
 
Filmed professionally as "Sunshine Daydream" the final cut has yet to see the light of day.

(info from Dead Base & deadhead's Taping Compendium Vol.1 & CDR)

I've not come across the "darkstarplace" site before, thanks, David. Bang goes Tuesday.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
Another Dick's Picks has landed on the doormat!  Volume 20 from 1976.  

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 12, 2010, 06:34:37 PM

Another Dick's Picks has landed on the doormat!  Volume 20 from 1976.  

Jules


Jules, how do you keep up with it all financially?  I had to give up after  Dick's Picks 9, couldn't keep up with the pace!

I bought the first four From the Vaults, and even splashed out on the two complete album remix box sets, oh yeah the Garcia box set too, but my dear wife was running out of patience even then.   ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 13, 2010, 09:26:27 AM

Jules, how do you keep up with it all financially?  I had to give up after  Dick's Picks 9, couldn't keep up with the pace!


Well I only started this year, so I never did keep up!  I'm just selecting various Picks to buy as and when I can.

My salary isn't big, but I do live quite simply.  I don't have a car, I don't buy many clothes, the house is paid for out of the money left to me by my parents when they passed on.  So I can afford a few CDs most months.  I feel lucky.  Who knows what might be around the corner?  Maybe next year I won't be able to afford a pot to p*** in.  But for now, I intend to continue indulging myself.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 13, 2010, 09:29:32 AM

even splashed out on the two complete album remix box sets


They were remastered rather than remixed.  In fact they used original mixes whereever they could.  I believe they had to use the 1970s remix of Aoxomoxoa because the original masters couldn't be found, and they used longer edits of some of the tracks on the debut album, but other than that they were all as originally mixed I believe.

Jules (aka Pedant)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 13, 2010, 10:34:10 AM

My salary isn't big, but I do live quite simply.  I don't have a car, I don't buy many clothes, the house is paid for out of the money left to me by my parents when they passed on.  So I can afford a few CDs most months.  I feel lucky.  Who knows what might be around the corner?  Maybe next year I won't be able to afford a pot to p*** in.  But for now, I intend to continue indulging myself.


Oh and I fogot one other thing - I have no children.  That, right there, for good or ill, is probably the main reason I can go CD shopping!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 13, 2010, 06:24:41 PM


My salary isn't big, but I do live quite simply.  I don't have a car, I don't buy many clothes, the house is paid for out of the money left to me by my parents when they passed on.  So I can afford a few CDs most months.  I feel lucky.  Who knows what might be around the corner?  Maybe next year I won't be able to afford a pot to p*** in.  But for now, I intend to continue indulging myself.


Oh and I fogot one other thing - I have no children.  That, right there, for good or ill, is probably the main reason I can go CD shopping!

Jules

I feel like I've got the full picture now Jules! Good luck to you. At least you're spending your money on top quality music!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 14, 2010, 09:20:46 AM

I feel like I've got the full picture now Jules!


No, wait, I left out my shoe size.....

 ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 14, 2010, 06:47:44 PM


I feel like I've got the full picture now Jules!


No, wait, I left out my shoe size.....

 ::)

Jules


Damn, I knew that there was a major flaw in those details!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 15, 2010, 07:45:25 PM

The Veneta show, if not the best, is the one of the most psychically important shows, or some such hyperbolic guff. It is, however, indeed a cracker. It was arranged as a benefit for Ken Kesey's family's creamery business & tickets were printed on the back of yoghurt pot labels. It was intended as a field trip party for the extended Dead & Prankster families.

Temperature on the day allegedly reached 108F, presumably unusual for Oregon, but as one who flakes when the glass goes over 70F, it must have been hell without much shade available. As folks started to wilt, a bowser was detailed to spray the crowd with water, but in the nick of time, Kesey's brother realised the truck was that used to empty the portable loos & another was hastily found. Phew.

At one point Weirs announces "Well, the sun's making our instruments get mighty strange. So they'll be out of tune for a little while". Later; "We're changing our name to The Sunstroked Serenaders". Ultimately, they abandoned the second set, (Weir) "We're gonna take another break, let the sun go down a little more and come back and play some more", which the duly did, turning in a 30+ min "Dark Star>El Paso".
 
Filmed professionally as "Sunshine Daydream" the final cut has yet to see the light of day.

(info from Dead Base & deadhead's Taping Compendium Vol.1 & CDR)

I've not come across the "darkstarplace" site before, thanks, David. Bang goes Tuesday.  :)
So Ian, is the audio available as a Dick's Picks or From the Vault or whatever?  If so what number was it? This is another one I need!!!!!!!! [;-)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 16, 2010, 11:00:19 AM
As far as I know the Veneta show doesn't have an official release, I only have a cassette copy from an ancient source.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 16, 2010, 01:20:11 PM

As far as I know the Veneta show doesn't have an official release, I only have a cassette copy from an ancient source.


You can get it as a download or a boot, but it hasn't been released as a proper CD set.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 16, 2010, 07:00:50 PM


As far as I know the Veneta show doesn't have an official release, I only have a cassette copy from an ancient source.


You can get it as a download or a boot, but it hasn't been released as a proper CD set.

Jules


Thanks for the info guys.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 16, 2010, 08:37:59 PM
And a very Happy Birthday to the baby of the group...Bobby is 63 today.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 17, 2010, 10:23:40 AM

And a very Happy Birthday to the baby of the group...Bobby is 63 today.


Ace. What a long strange trip......etc. :)

Incidentally, returning to Veneta for a mo, I just came across this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/GRATEFUL-DEAD-RENAISSANCE-FAIRE-GROUNDS/dp/B001JJECYQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1287307206&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 17, 2010, 10:28:37 AM


And a very Happy Birthday to the baby of the group...Bobby is 63 today.


Ace. What a long strange trip......etc. :)

Incidentally, returning to Veneta for a mo, I just came across this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/GRATEFUL-DEAD-RENAISSANCE-FAIRE-GROUNDS/dp/B001JJECYQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1287307206&sr=1-1


Amazon don't sell boots, eh?  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 17, 2010, 08:54:30 PM
I need more shows...

(the madness of Deadheadedness laid bare for all to see) [Warning: some swearing!]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7217017/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 18, 2010, 09:16:06 AM

I need more shows...

(the madness of Deadheadedness laid bare for all to see) [Warning: some swearing!]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7217017/


Great stuff. Must track down that Vancouver show  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 18, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
I love that, David, thanks!   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 18, 2010, 05:00:29 PM

I need more shows...

(the madness of Deadheadedness laid bare for all to see) [Warning: some swearing!]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7217017/


Ha ha.  A little bit too close to the truth!!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 19, 2010, 09:36:01 AM
I Need More Shows.......& as if by magic.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-1?eml=dn/101810/rttext2


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 19, 2010, 09:39:03 AM

I Need More Shows.......& as if by magic.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-1?eml=dn/101810/rttext2


I'll be passing on this one - it's not my favouritist era.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 19, 2010, 09:54:43 AM


I Need More Shows.......& as if by magic.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-1?eml=dn/101810/rttext2


I'll be passing on this one - it's not my favouritist era.

Jules


I love the rawness & inventiveness of the 60s stuff, but on the other hand, the prospect of (yet) a(nother) tedious 30 minute "Lovelight" challenges the enthusiasm somewhat. Hey ho, one has to eat a peck of dirt & all that.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 19, 2010, 05:05:58 PM



I Need More Shows.......& as if by magic.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-1?eml=dn/101810/rttext2


I'll be passing on this one - it's not my favouritist era.

Jules


I love the rawness & inventiveness of the 60s stuff, but on the other hand, the prospect of (yet) a(nother) tedious 30 minute "Lovelight" challenges the enthusiasm somewhat. Hey ho, one has to eat a peck of dirt & all that.


I never got over that version of Hey Jude!!   ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 22, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
Picked up the "Movie Soundtrack" box yesterday... listened to disc 1 in the car on the drive home. Stopped at some lights & was getting a strange look from the occupants of the car next to me - realised I had a big grin on my face... can't wait to spend some time over the weekend on discs 2-5!  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 22, 2010, 10:50:58 AM

Picked up the "Movie Soundtrack" box yesterday...


I got that one for Christmas.  Must pick up the actual movie on of these days.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 22, 2010, 12:08:39 PM


Picked up the "Movie Soundtrack" box yesterday...


I got that one for Christmas.  Must pick up the actual movie on of these days.

Jules


The soundtrack is fab, well played & recorded & the movie is worth it for the introductory animation alone. In my humble, both are essential for anyone with a passing interest in the Dead.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on October 22, 2010, 01:22:08 PM
I'm still waiting to "get" whatever it is about Grateful Dead. This is about the best bit of music I've heard from them. Sorry about that dated commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JXkUK6NsM

I still have a load of youtube clips to look at that were kindly supplied by the excellent Ray Brettman, so I haven't given up just yet.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 22, 2010, 01:31:18 PM

I'm still waiting to "get" whatever it is about Grateful Dead.


Sorry to sound like a stuck record, but try listening to American Beauty.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 22, 2010, 07:45:07 PM


I'm still waiting to "get" whatever it is about Grateful Dead.


Sorry to sound like a stuck record, but try listening to American Beauty.

Jules


Not sure I agree with Jules here.  I'm not sure one gets the Dead via AB....its a fantastic album, but immensely atypical and gives no concept of what the Dead actually were...a multi talented live improvisational band.  My best advice to get the Dead is to go to etree and stream/download various shows from right across their career.

But, hell, I still think you have to 'want' to connect with an artiste to be open enough to get them.  The only two artists I can think of that I have tried repeatedly to connect with and ultimately failed is a) Zappa and b) Springsteen.  I see enormous value in both bodies of work, but I still don't love them.  I wish I did.

If you have to try too hard it probably isn't happening.

My advice would be to get a '72 show and head out in the car for a 3 hour drive.  You'll either have fallen in love or chucked the recordings out of the window by the time you get there.  And if you find yourself 200 miles in the wrong direction, then, yep, you've got 'em...  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 22, 2010, 07:54:33 PM



I'm still waiting to "get" whatever it is about Grateful Dead.


Sorry to sound like a stuck record, but try listening to American Beauty.

Jules


Not sure I agree with Jules here.  I'm not sure one gets the Dead via AB....its a fantastic album, but immensely atypical and gives no concept of what the Dead actually were...a multi talented live improvisational band.  My best advice to get the Dead is to go to etree and stream/download various shows from right across their career.

But, hell, I still think you have to 'want' to connect with an artiste to be open enough to get them.  The only two artists I can think of that I have tried repeatedly to connect with and ultimately failed is a) Zappa and b) Springsteen.  I see enormous value in both bodies of work, but I still don't love them.  I wish I did.

If you have to try too hard it probably isn't happening.

My advice would be to get a '72 show and head out in the car for a 3 hour drive.  You'll either have fallen in love or chucked the recordings out of the window by the time you get there.  And if you find yourself 200 miles in the wrong direction, then, yep, you've got 'em...  ;D


I don't know about you David, but it's got to the stage now, where I've almost given up hoping some friends and others 'get' the Dead. I honestly quite like being part of the Dead fan's select 'family - if that doesn't sound too pretentious.  Perhaps you just needed to be around at the time?  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 22, 2010, 07:55:36 PM


Perhaps you just needed to be around at the time?  


Well I was born in '67.  Was I around at the time, then? ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on October 22, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
I have a large amount of respect for the musical opinions of very many people here on TAW. There are bands who I didn't know about before joining up here. There are some who I now very much regard as essential listening. The "next 5" or "listening to" is something I take notice of, and although I don't have time to follow up every "new" recommendation, I do try to have a listen to a good few.

I've known about the Dead since the 60s, but never got them. This isn't musical snobbery, it's plain and simple, I've just never heard anything by them that has caught my attention. But many on this thread are utter devotees. Is it that wrong that I want to try to see what it is that turns you on. I

I understand that their output is phenomenal. Bigger even than Zappa... I asked some months ago for a reasonable place to start to listen to them, and it seems everyone has a differing opinion as to where this should be.

So in my own way, I'll continue to have the odd listening session and hope that something works for me...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 22, 2010, 09:29:20 PM

Is it that wrong that I want to try to see what it is that turns you on.


Of course not.  Pretty certain nobody was saying it was.  I certainly wasn't.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on October 22, 2010, 09:34:45 PM


Is it that wrong that I want to try to see what it is that turns you on.


Of course not.  Pretty certain nobody was saying it was.  I certainly wasn't.


Sorry David, I wasn't accusing you or anyone at all. I started by stating that I have a lot of respect for very many people on here. What I meant was very much  a general statement. I'm sort of frustrated that there is something musically going on that I so far, do not understand.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 23, 2010, 02:54:01 PM

I'm not sure one gets the Dead via AB....its a fantastic album, but immensely atypical and gives no concept of what the Dead actually were...a multi talented live improvisational band.  


I agree that American Beauty is somewhat atypical, but I still maintain it's the best road 'in'.  The rest starts to fall into place after you've heard them at their most accessible.  Well for me it did anyway.

I slightly differ in my summation of what the Dead were/are.  To me they're the ultimate musical melting pot.  The took all kinds of music (rock, soul, blues, country, bluegrass, jazz, funk, disco, etc) and filtered it though their playing and personalities.  Improvisation was one, major, part of it, but they could also be concise when that suited the song.  They were a living jukebox, a crazy music history lesson, the ultimate people's music band.  Something like that, anyway.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 23, 2010, 08:55:28 PM



I slightly differ in my summation of what the Dead were/are.  To me they're the ultimate musical melting pot.  The took all kinds of music (rock, soul, blues, country, bluegrass, jazz, funk, disco, etc) and filtered it though their playing and personalities.  Improvisation was one, major, part of it, but they could also be concise when that suited the song.  They were a living jukebox, a crazy music history lesson, the ultimate people's music band.  Something like that, anyway.

Jules


I don't disagree with any of that...good description, Jules.  

Then again I am 12 hours into a 15 hour shift and I may be hallucinating (but not in a good way)  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 24, 2010, 07:30:21 PM

I don't disagree with any of that...good description, Jules.  


Thanks, man, I really struggled for several minutes trying to get that down and I still didn't manage to type what I was feeling!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 26, 2010, 07:43:20 PM



Perhaps you just needed to be around at the time?  


Well I was born in '67.  Was I around at the time, then? ;)

I've been 4 days working this out. No, you weren't around then.  ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 26, 2010, 07:58:27 PM



Well I was born in '67.  Was I around at the time, then? ;)

I've been 4 days working this out.
[/quote]

Pete.  Seek help.  There are more important things in life ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on October 26, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
this has just appeared on dime,well about half four this after
Jerry Garcia - 1982-04-10 - Capitol Theater, Passaic, NJ, early show - AUD Cousinit 109415 - The one and only Jerry Garcia solo performance


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 27, 2010, 03:44:48 PM

this has just appeared on dime,well about half four this after
Jerry Garcia - 1982-04-10 - Capitol Theater, Passaic, NJ, early show - AUD Cousinit 109415 - The one and only Jerry Garcia solo performance


This needs further investigation Jim. Thanks for the tip off!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 27, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
Three more shows from the Download Series sitting here ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  First up is Volume 8 from late '73.  These shows are great fun - it's like you get to make your own album from the constituate parts.   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 01:46:53 AM

ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 28, 2010, 07:58:05 AM


ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 28, 2010, 09:55:13 AM



ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


I love that "Jules is sooo dark ages" undertone there, David.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 01:07:39 PM



ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Yes, but my question about conversion still stands.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on October 28, 2010, 02:19:21 PM




ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Yes, but my question about conversion still stands.
It's likely that the burning software he uses cannot handle flacs. It was my understanding that even software that does handle flacs does so by converting to wav in the background before converting to cda ... have they improved on that process?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on October 28, 2010, 02:41:04 PM




ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Yes, but my question about conversion still stands.


and you cant play flacs on windows media player


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on October 28, 2010, 03:40:19 PM





ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Yes, but my question about conversion still stands.


and you cant play flacs on windows media player
Well, actually you can if you download the codecs.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 28, 2010, 04:59:02 PM
Can't play FLACs on my boombox or in the car or on my hi-fi either.

I rarely listen to music on a PC.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 05:01:41 PM

Can't play FLACs on my boombox or in the car or on my hi-fi either.

I rarely listen to music on a PC.

Jules


Then why download in FLAC in the first place? Does the site have an option for downloading in other formats? Any time you transcode a file (even between two lossless formats) you lose a small amount of the quality.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 28, 2010, 05:38:08 PM

Then why download in FLAC in the first place? Does the site have an option for downloading in other formats? Any time you transcode a file (even between two lossless formats) you lose a small amount of the quality.


Only other format was MP3, which sound like a piece of cr*p.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 06:06:49 PM


Then why download in FLAC in the first place? Does the site have an option for downloading in other formats? Any time you transcode a file (even between two lossless formats) you lose a small amount of the quality.


Only other format was MP3, which sound like a piece of cr*p.

Jules


What bitrate? If it's higher than 192kbps, I doubt you can tell the difference between that and FLAC.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 28, 2010, 06:29:19 PM

What bitrate? If it's higher than 192kbps, I doubt you can tell the difference between that and FLAC.


Why would I bother finding out when FLAC was an option?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 28, 2010, 06:52:43 PM






ready to be converted from FLAC to wav.  


Why?


Jules likes burning Audio CDs I believe, Mike.


Yes, but my question about conversion still stands.


and you cant play flacs on windows media player
Well, actually you can if you download the codecs.


What the hell are guys on about?   Vinyl and cds I say  ???


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 07:25:23 PM


What bitrate? If it's higher than 192kbps, I doubt you can tell the difference between that and FLAC.


Why would I bother finding out when FLAC was an option?

Jules


Do they cost the same? Do you ever listen to them on your computer or just burn them straight to disc? You might as well save yourself the download time and disk space if the mp3 bitrate is high enough.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on October 28, 2010, 07:39:49 PM
i have no problem with mp3 with a bitrate of 192 and over
mp3 gets a bad name when people start doing mp3's of cds that were recorded from mp3 in the first place thats why i mark my cds as whether they were recorded from wav/flacs or mp3
i mp3 most of my stuff to e-mail or use in a mp3 player and keep the flacs should i want to burn a cd


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 28, 2010, 07:48:49 PM

Do they cost the same? Do you ever listen to them on your computer or just burn them straight to disc? You might as well save yourself the download time and disk space if the mp3 bitrate is high enough.


Cost the same?  Yes - both options were free and gratis.  Do I listen on PC?  No.  Straight to disc?  Yes.  Will my hi-fi, car stereo and boombox play either FLAC or MP3?  No.  Therefore the answers are simple enough.  But I'd only ever choose MP3 if it were the only option, and would choose FLAC even if FLAC were the pricier option.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 28, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
Mike's had this same discussion on here a number of times...I'm not sure why he gets so upset about other people doing other things even if he thinks they are irrational, but still!  Fwiw, I download and store in FLAC (and play the files with Foobar on my PC) mainly so that I can make audio CDs for other people.  The options for burning Audio CDs directly from FLAC have never worked properly for me.  And I'm used to doing it like I do.  So yah boo sucks.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on October 28, 2010, 09:30:37 PM
I've had it once before, I think. With Jules. I'm not irate, I'm just confused as to why people make things more difficult for themselves.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 29, 2010, 01:56:52 PM

I've had it once before, I think. With Jules. I'm not irate, I'm just confused as to why people make things more difficult for themselves.


But Mike, can you be sure that your version of easy is the same as mine?  Converting FLACs to wavs doesn't hurt me at all.  In fact, I quite enjoy it!   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on October 29, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
For sure Jules, if one's computer is in ok shape it takes very little time. And as compared with the old tape trading days, which had their own deep merits, still, almost no comparison. Much was better many years ago but in no wise everything. As marvelous as something like Dime Torrents is, to a person in excess of 50, it is sort of the vague outline of heaven.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Paul on October 29, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Could we move the technical discussion to Help Desk in The Arms please.

Many thanks,

Paul


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 29, 2010, 09:16:08 PM

For sure Jules, if one's computer is in ok shape it takes very little time. And as compared with the old tape trading days, which had their own deep merits, still, almost no comparison. Much was better many years ago but in no wise everything. As marvelous as something like Dime Torrents is, to a person in excess of 50, it is sort of the vague outline of heaven.


Actually my PC's fit for the knackers yard, but yeah, it's still quicker than sitting next to a cassette deck doing real-time compilations for 90 minutes at a time.  I must have spent 5 years of my life doing that!   :o

Jules

PS  Just seen's Paul's topic drift post.  Uh....insert Grateful Dead reference here!   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
30 days of the Dead on deadnet... (a free download a day in Nov).  You need to register.

http://www.dead.net/node/16757



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2010, 11:12:16 PM

30 days of the Dead on deadnet... (a free download a day in Nov).  You need to register.

http://www.dead.net/node/16757


Cool.  Thanks, David.  I wonder, do you have to log on every day to catch them all, or can you grab a few on later days?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 02, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Been listening to Download Series, Vol. 4 from June 1976 today.  I noticed lots of mistakes but heaps of energy too, so that makes it a overall positive listening experience.  I put both down to the Dead having been off the stage for a year and a half - this was soon after they came out of 'retirement'.  Jerry's guitar playing sounds particularly firey - sometimes he's rocking and rolling on ballads, but so joyously that you forgive him!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 08, 2010, 03:20:56 PM

30 days of the Dead on deadnet... (a free download a day in Nov).  You need to register.

http://www.dead.net/node/16757


I'm collecting these daily - I hope the other heads on this forum are doing likewise.  I'm planning on compiling them chronologically when the month is through....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 08, 2010, 10:05:09 PM


30 days of the Dead on deadnet... (a free download a day in Nov).  You need to register.

http://www.dead.net/node/16757


I'm collecting these daily - I hope the other heads on this forum are doing likewise.  I'm planning on compiling them chronologically when the month is through....

Jules

 todays estimated prophet cuts off a bit abruptly dont you think, even worse than yesterdays "he's gone a" "he's gone b" was much better in the "not cutting off abruptly" stakes


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 09, 2010, 09:05:05 AM

 todays estimated prophet cuts off a bit abruptly dont you think, even worse than yesterdays "he's gone a" "he's gone b" was much better in the "not cutting off abruptly" stakes


Yeah, what is it with the 'a's and 'b's?  I didn't even realise until a pal tipped me off that there were hidden alternate versions.  And one song (was it Easy Wind 'a'?) did the opposite of 'cutting off abruptly' and had about a minute of low-level crowd noise and tuning up at the end.

Ah well, they are free, remember!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 09, 2010, 04:00:03 PM


 todays estimated prophet cuts off a bit abruptly dont you think, even worse than yesterdays "he's gone a" "he's gone b" was much better in the "not cutting off abruptly" stakes


Yeah, what is it with the 'a's and 'b's?  I didn't even realise until a pal tipped me off that there were hidden alternate versions.  And one song (was it Easy Wind 'a'?) did the opposite of 'cutting off abruptly' and had about a minute of low-level crowd noise and tuning up at the end.

Ah well, they are free, remember!

Jules

have you read the comments on the free stuff! i thought i could whinge


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 09, 2010, 04:04:03 PM

have you read the comments on the free stuff! i thought i could whinge


Ha.  No, I haven't.  But nobody moans quite like a hardcore fan!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 24, 2010, 09:25:05 PM
Great job!  http://www.arl.org/resources/careers/positions/details.shtml?form=763770&page=31642481

I know (in tune with my 'handle') its very unpolitically correct but I did laugh out rather loud to see that the hearing impaired are encouraged to apply (actually there are some very lovely 'deafheads' out there...)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 24, 2010, 09:52:38 PM

Great job!  http://www.arl.org/resources/careers/positions/details.shtml?form=763770&page=31642481

I know (in tune with my 'handle') its very unpolitically correct but I did laugh out rather loud to see that the hearing impaired are encouraged to apply (actually there are some very lovely 'deafheads' out there...)


Are you applying, David?   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 24, 2010, 10:36:12 PM


Great job!  http://www.arl.org/resources/careers/positions/details.shtml?form=763770&page=31642481

I know (in tune with my 'handle') its very unpolitically correct but I did laugh out rather loud to see that the hearing impaired are encouraged to apply (actually there are some very lovely 'deafheads' out there...)


Are you applying, David?   ;D

Jules


I'd love to.  But, no, I'm not.  I knows my place....  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 25, 2010, 08:43:17 AM

I'd love to.  But, no, I'm not.  I knows my place....  :)


I feel much the same.  How I wish I was more web and tech savvy, because being a music archivist is one thing I'd really love to be.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 25, 2010, 06:39:12 PM


I'd love to.  But, no, I'm not.  I knows my place....  :)


I feel much the same.  How I wish I was more web and tech savvy, because being a music archivist is one thing I'd really love to be.

Jules


I actually think the ad is from a while back.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 18, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
This is a nice little vid...Jerry and Chip doing what comes naturally (it eventually gets around to being Not Fade Away!)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVbnnkqOxjI


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 11, 2011, 04:52:49 PM
An alert has arrived from GD as another Road Trips offering heaves into view. One whole '88 show & 3/4s of another & no bonus disc.

http://store.dead.net/new/road-trips-vol-4-no-2


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 08:05:03 AM
Makes the Sandy box look like a stroll in the park...

I am willing to prostitute myself for this.  All offers considered  ;D

From Rolling Stone:

DEAD REACH BACK TO LEGENDARY 1972 TOUR FOR MASSIVE BOX SET
Due in fall, the 60-plus CD release includes every show from European
trek.

On April 1st, 1972, the Grateful Dead arrived in Britain for the
opening dates of their first European tour. The timing was perfect -
"the feast of fools," guitarist Bob Weir says, laughing. "There was a
challenge for us, playing for people not familiar with what we were up
to. But we were ready for fresh ears...we were hot."...

In the fall, the tour will be released by Rhino as a limited-edition
beast: 22 shows on more than 60 CDs. The lavish set, available by pre-
order from the Dead's website, will cost over $400 and is
unprecedented even by their archive-box standards.
"By the time we're finished, we'll have put two years into this," says
producer David Lemieux, who expects mixing and mastering to wrap by
June. "If there was ever a tour that needed a complete release, it was
Europe '72. It's one of the top three tours the Dead ever did, and
there's a pristine 16-track recording of every show..."

"I remember that tour clearly," says bassist Phil Lesh, noting that no
one in the band had been to Europe before. [SIC] "In Hamburg, we
played in the hall where Brahms played. In Paris, I literally felt the
spirits of Chopin and Debussy. I think that made us play better. I
remember being on..."
"Someone would catch fire, and that would spread," Bob Weir says. "I'd
catch a riff everyone coalesced around. Then someone else would come
up with something that took us another way. It was a collective flash
- time to move on."

The Dead were in dramatic transition that spring, emboldened by the
jazzy ambitions of new pianist Keith Godchaux. "It was amazing how
tuned in he was to our music," Lesh says. "In Paris, he played like a
god."
The European tour was also the Dead's last with ailing singer-organist
Ron 'Pigpen' McKernan, who died in 1973. "He didn't have as much
energy as before," Weir says, "but he was trying his best to deal with
it."...

Lemieux says other Dead tours deserve full release, such as the fall
of '73 and spring 1990: "It's such a diverse band. You can do boxes
from '72 and '89 back-to-back, and there's nothing similar about them,
except it's Grateful Dead music."
"It all boils down to, 'Is there a story there?'" says Weir. "If we
can find an era like this, with a story line and development - and I
have a feeling there is - there would be merit in doing this again."


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PhilB on January 19, 2011, 08:52:26 AM
I'm hyperventilating at the very thought of this box set. Lots of questions are passing through my head.
How can I afford it?
Will my wife divorce me?
Will I ever leave the house again?
What will the postage costs and import duty add onto the already massive costs?
Why does Phil Lesh say none of the band had been to Europe before when The Dead had played gigs in Europe in 1970 and 1971?
Why can't I see anything about this on www.dead.net ?
Where am I?
and mostly 'When can I get my hands on it?'  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
Well I'm thinking I can maybe afford the boxed set - but I'm not sure about affording the customs charges on this behemoth!

God help me - this is an outrageous release.  60+ discs?!?!

 :o

Jules



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PhilB on January 19, 2011, 09:40:04 AM
After the initial euphoria I'm starting to think this is likely to be a hoax. I know it's not April 1 but I can't see anything about this on Rolling Stone or Dead websites. Similar rumours have been started before and proved to be nothing more than wishful thinking.

I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong but this just seems quite unlikely to me.  ???


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 04:40:04 PM

After the initial euphoria I'm starting to think this is likely to be a hoax. I know it's not April 1 but I can't see anything about this on Rolling Stone or Dead websites. Similar rumours have been started before and proved to be nothing more than wishful thinking.

I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong but this just seems quite unlikely to me.  ???


Hi Phil

Me thinks you may be right.  I'm (almost) pleased  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 05:38:19 PM

I'm (almost) pleased  ;D


Ha!  Me too!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on January 19, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
From what I can find, it is real, all from an email sent today from dead.net, according to some forums.  I put "DEAD REACH BACK TO LEGENDARY 1972 TOUR FOR MASSIVE BOX SET" into Google and came up with this info.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 06:23:44 PM
Looks indeed like it's about to be announced on the official site:-

http://store.dead.net/live-shows/europe-72-complete-recordings

Good grief!   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 06:31:41 PM

Looks indeed like it's about to be announced on the official site:-

http://store.dead.net/live-shows/europe-72-complete-recordings

Good grief!   :o

Jules


For me, this page reads blank now (although it didn't earlier).  It had a pre-order now through April 1st sentence though which only made me more suspicious.

However, on Eurotraders, David Gans (GD Hour etc) has just stated "This is not a hoax".

I believe everything.  And nothing.  I am trying hard to find the email where I precicted this about 6 years ago.  But I can't.  So I must have imagined it all...  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 19, 2011, 06:35:58 PM


I'm (almost) pleased  ;D


Ha!  Me too!

Jules


I'm still trying to save up enough for the Sandy box set!!    :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 06:41:12 PM

I'm still trying to save up enough for the Sandy box set!!    :o


I'm afraid you may be too late for that one, Pete.   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 06:42:14 PM

However, on Eurotraders, David Gans (GD Hour etc) has just stated "This is not a hoax".


Well that surely makes it official, no?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 19, 2011, 06:43:46 PM


I'm still trying to save up enough for the Sandy box set!!    :o


I'm afraid you may be too late for that one, Pete.   :(

Jules

Think you may be right there Jules, judging by the prices being asked on Amazon.   It's like climbing a greasy pole sometimes isn't it?   :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 06:55:05 PM


However, on Eurotraders, David Gans (GD Hour etc) has just stated "This is not a hoax".


Well that surely makes it official, no?

Jules


I'm just very suspicious, and particularly about the April 1 date, but, yes, it does appear so.  Who the hell knows?  Not me!  I'll probably dream about it later, mind....!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
Just got this on another list:

Using a bit of cunning (ie, right-clicking the blank page and selecting 'view source'), we get this;



This is now available for pre-order through April 1, 2011.



This September, Dead.net will release a limited-edition, individually-numbered, Europe '72: The Complete Recordings boxed set which will feature more than 60 discs and over 70 hours of music - every single note recorded on the legendary 22-show Europe '72 tour. Each disc will be mixed by Jeffery Norman, primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material, and mastered to HDCD specs by two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser. While many of the recordings heard on Europe ’72 were sweetened in the studio after the tour, those tracks will be included in this collection without overdubs, where possible.


Every show will include its own liner notes by top Dead scholars (including David Gans, Steve Silberman, Blair Jackson and Nicholas Meriwether) and concert-goers, as well as many never-before-seen photos. This magnificent, unprecedented collection will also feature memorabilia and ephemera from the tour, and a coffee table-worthy book with a comprehensive tour essay by Blair Jackson and hundreds of never-before-seen photos - all housed in a groovy replica steamer trunk.


As a special bonus, the first 3,000 boxed sets issued will be personalized editions. This unprecedented release will be limited to orders placed, with a maximum of 7,200 boxes produced.


Additionally, to reward those loyal fans who have to wait until September to receive the final box set, Dead.net will offer several exclusive goodies over the coming months.


GRATEFUL DEAD EUROPE 1972 TOUR DATES

All shows included in their entirety


April 7         Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley

April 8         Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley

April 11        Newcastle City Hall, Newcastle

April 14        Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen

April 16        Aarhus University, Aarhus

April 17        Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen

April 21        Beat Club, Bremen

April 24        Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf

April 26        Jahrhundert Halle, Frankfurt

April 29        Musikhalle, Hamburg

May 3           Olympia Theatre, Paris

May 4           Olympia Theatre, Paris

May 7           Bickershaw Festival, Wigan

May 10          Concertgebouw, Amsterdam

May 11          Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam

May 13          Lille Fairgrounds, Lille

May 16          Theatre Hall, Luxembourg

May 18          Kongressaal - Deutsches Museum, Munich

May 23          Strand Lyceum, London

May 24          Strand Lyceum, London

May 25          Strand Lyceum, London

May 26          Strand Lyceum, London


This boxed set will not available in stores or from any other online retailer – only at Dead.net.



Includes: 60+ discs, Book with Liner Notes, Replica Steamer Trunk Box and other memorabilia


Price includes free domestic shipping; Excludes taxes.

International shipping additional charge.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 07:51:01 PM
So, 7200 copies.  I strongly imagine that this, despite the price, will sell out in hours/days.

*sigh*


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 19, 2011, 09:42:11 PM

So, 7200 copies.  I strongly imagine that this, despite the price, will sell out in hours/days.

*sigh*


Sorry, do we know the price?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 19, 2011, 09:54:55 PM


So, 7200 copies.  I strongly imagine that this, despite the price, will sell out in hours/days.

*sigh*


Sorry, do we know the price?

Jules


$450.  (Just under £282) Post free in the US... but postage has been a big problem to Europe for GD/Rhino.  I expect it could work out at £350-400 inc postage and customs.

Just as a matter of record, 7,200 x 450 = $3,240,000.  Gulp.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 20, 2011, 08:47:26 AM

I expect it could work out at £350-400 inc postage and customs.


Which isn't really that bad for over 60 CDs.  Ooh, I don't know.  Shall I, or shan't I?  I wonder - do they take the money in advance, or charge you on release date?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 20, 2011, 08:54:34 AM


I expect it could work out at £350-400 inc postage and customs.


Which isn't really that bad for over 60 CDs.  Ooh, I don't know.  Shall I, or shan't I?  I wonder - do they take the money in advance, or charge you on release date?

Jules


The latter (although remember that means you need to factor in changes in exchange rates).  Postage has just been announced as $85 (so thats $535 (£335)).  I'm just trying to work out what the customs will be now.
 
The technology still wasn't working last night, but someone I know has just ordered from France successfully.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: richardkendell on January 20, 2011, 09:26:41 AM


I expect it could work out at £350-400 inc postage and customs.


Which isn't really that bad for over 60 CDs.  Ooh, I don't know.  Shall I, or shan't I?  I wonder - do they take the money in advance, or charge you on release date?

Jules


Doesn't this start approaching "too much of a good thing"?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on January 20, 2011, 11:11:34 AM

Doesn't this start approaching "too much of a good thing"?


I think "too much of a good thing" has been approached, passed and left behind at this point. If you're a DeadHead (I'm not) this no doubt makes sense, but to me... ye gods!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on January 20, 2011, 11:36:50 AM

 Are Deadheads the twitchers/trainspotters of the musical world?......  :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 20, 2011, 11:38:16 AM

If you're a DeadHead (I'm not) this no doubt makes sense, but to me... ye gods!


I am, but I still think "ye Gods!".  However, stand back everyone, I think I may be going in.....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: richardkendell on January 20, 2011, 12:16:01 PM


If you're a DeadHead (I'm not) this no doubt makes sense, but to me... ye gods!


I am, but I still think "ye Gods!".  However, stand back everyone, I think I may be going in.....

Jules

Purely on a point of domestic interest, where do you manage to store them all? I have started putting all my CDs on a hard drive (and a thoroughly tedious job that is) to try and restore some order to my chaotic filing make a bit of room.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Goaty on January 20, 2011, 12:21:01 PM

I have started putting all my CDs on a hard drive (and a thoroughly tedious job that is) to try and restore some order to my chaotic filing make a bit of room.


How does that make room unless you get rid of the actual CDs afterwards ?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PhilB on January 20, 2011, 01:11:17 PM
A true Deadhead can always find space for another 60 CD's. Whether you can find the time to listen to them all is a different matter.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: richardkendell on January 20, 2011, 01:16:27 PM


I have started putting all my CDs on a hard drive (and a thoroughly tedious job that is) to try and restore some order to my chaotic filing make a bit of room.


How does that make room unless you get rid of the actual CDs afterwards ?

I put them away in a cupboard out of the way.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 20, 2011, 01:17:03 PM

Purely on a point of domestic interest, where do you manage to store them all?


I think it may well get its own room shelf.

I've tried to order a copy but I'm not convinced it went through.  No confirmation email has shown up.  In fact I'm equally as worried that I sent in two orders because of popup problems.  The Dead.net site is notorious for this sort of thing.  Hmmm.....   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on January 20, 2011, 01:42:06 PM
i'll tell you "Where Next".
 the poorhouse that's where
these uber expensive box sets are a complete joke the companies and bands think they have found a way of selling sand to arabs
well heres one bedouin thats had enough

you all know some kind deadhead will make all 60 cds available buckshee on the tinteweb


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 20, 2011, 06:44:14 PM


 Are Deadheads the twitchers/trainspotters of the musical world?......  :o


Yes we are, and we love it!   [;-)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
My order has been confirmed.  I'm officially mad, Ted.   :P

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 21, 2011, 10:30:01 AM

My order has been confirmed.  I'm officially mad, Ted.   :P

Jules


And I'm officially jealous.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2011, 10:42:40 AM
And they offiically have your money until September.

You are (in the nicest possible way) mad, Jules.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 21, 2011, 10:45:03 AM

And they offiically have your money until September.

You are (in the nicest possible way) mad, Jules.


They don't actually, Andy.  They aren't taking the money out until then.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2011, 10:45:08 AM

And they offiically have your money until September.


No, they don't take the money until September.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2011, 10:50:55 AM
Ah, that's far more acceptable. That'll be difficult for anyone whose cards expire before then, then.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2011, 11:02:42 AM

Ah, that's far more acceptable. That'll be difficult for anyone whose cards expire before then, then.


...or moves house, or loses their job, or becomes very ill, or dies, or...

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2011, 11:08:23 AM
Well, I'd hope my scenario was slightly more common and less impactful.

I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on January 21, 2011, 11:09:54 AM

Well, I'd hope my scenario was slightly more common and less impactful.

I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?

just dive in, youll sink or swim


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2011, 11:10:49 AM

Well, I'd hope my scenario was slightly more common and less impactful.

I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?


That or go totally random, I guess.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 21, 2011, 11:12:03 AM

Well, I'd hope my scenario was slightly more common and less impactful.

I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?


My advice would not be to cherry pick too much and to actually listen to a whole set rather than jump around in random.

Personally speaking I'd start in the first half of the 70's too.  Thinking about it, DP1 19 Dec 73 is a pretty good place to start...

Enjoy  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 21, 2011, 12:20:53 PM

Well, I'd hope my scenario was slightly more common and less impactful.

I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?


You could listen in chronological order, maybe that's what a true anorak would do. However you decide, I hope you enjoy it. :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on January 22, 2011, 02:44:03 AM
DP 18.  Particularly the third disc, from Iowa.  I got it as a bootleg audience tape very soon after it was recorded, and always thought it was the best tape I had ever heard.  Then it finally came out as a Dick's Picks, no more audience chatter, quality sound...  Scarlet Begonias seguing into Fire On The Mountain is a great example of their musical communication abilities, and maybe one of the greatest live moments that they ever had (at least that I have heard).  When it was recorded FOTM had not been on any LPs (and when it finally did it was never nearly as good).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 23, 2011, 04:44:27 PM
Apparently all 7,200 units of the GD Europe '72 box sold out in four days.

They say that a "music only version" will continue to be offered indefinitely.

I wasn't aware that what I ordered wasn't a "music only version", so what do
they mean exactly?  Are they talking about downloads?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 23, 2011, 04:56:19 PM

Apparently all 7,200 units of the GD Europe '72 box sold out in four days.

They say that a "music only version" will continue to be offered indefinitely.

I wasn't aware that what I ordered wasn't a "music only version", so what do
they mean exactly?  Are they talking about downloads?


Check the site first, Jules!

They're going to keep printing the actual shows in their slipcases and carry on selling them, as a set, without the fancy box indefinitely.  So that's good news I guess.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 23, 2011, 06:27:20 PM


Apparently all 7,200 units of the GD Europe '72 box sold out in four days.

They say that a "music only version" will continue to be offered indefinitely.

I wasn't aware that what I ordered wasn't a "music only version", so what do
they mean exactly?  Are they talking about downloads?


Check the site first, Jules!

They're going to keep printing the actual shows in their slipcases and carry on selling them, as a set, without the fancy box indefinitely.  So that's good news I guess.

Jules


Especially if it's cheaper for little ol me to buy!      ;)  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 24, 2011, 10:03:39 AM


Especially if it's cheaper for little ol me to buy!      ;)  


Its not, its the same price.

I'm sorry...I'm just not playing any more.  Everything about the release of this box has been done wrong.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 24, 2011, 06:29:06 PM



Especially if it's cheaper for little ol me to buy!      ;)  


Its not, its the same price.

I'm sorry...I'm just not playing any more.  Everything about the release of this box has been done wrong.  

I must admit David, that after reading that there won't be a reduction in price, I've decided to not play ball in this game. After all, how many versions of GDTRFB>IKYR  etc, do I need? I must have about 20 versions already!  There's plenty other versions 'out there' too.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PhilB on January 25, 2011, 08:28:21 AM

I must admit David, that after reading that there won't be a reduction in price, I've decided to not play ball in this game. After all, how many versions of GDTRFB>IKYR  etc, do I need? I must have about 20 versions already!  There's plenty other versions 'out there' too.  


You've got me intrigued there . I've been a Deadhead for 40 years and have never heard them play GDTRFB>IKYR  as a combo. Is that a typo or do you know something I don't know?

I can't possibly afford the Europe 72 box set right now and it is now sold out anyway. However I do feel a sense of relief that I may be able to buy some or all of the CD's at some point in the future now they have decided to remove the ridiculous limited edition idea.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 25, 2011, 09:54:56 AM

I've been a Deadhead for 40 years and have never heard them play GDTRFB>IKYR  as a combo. Is that a typo or do you know something I don't know?


Surely Pete meant NFA>GDTRFB>NFA.  Or CCS>IKYR.

  8)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 25, 2011, 10:04:10 AM


I've been a Deadhead for 40 years and have never heard them play GDTRFB>IKYR  as a combo. Is that a typo or do you know something I don't know?


Surely Pete meant NFA>GDTRFB>NFA.  Or CCS>IKYR.

  8)

Jules


There is no listing in Deadbase for any pairing of GDTRFB>IKYR. Pity  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 25, 2011, 06:48:03 PM


I've been a Deadhead for 40 years and have never heard them play GDTRFB>IKYR  as a combo. Is that a typo or do you know something I don't know?


Surely Pete meant NFA>GDTRFB>NFA.  Or CCS>IKYR.

  8)

Jules


I stand corrected. Maybe I do need those 60 cds!!!.... schoolboy error and I've loved them since '68!!    :-[  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 08, 2011, 09:27:38 PM
This is an interesting (but ridiculously lengthy) blog article about Dick Latvala (of Dick's Picks fame)

http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2011/02/dick-latvala.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 11, 2011, 10:28:33 PM



Especially if it's cheaper for little ol me to buy!      ;)  


Its not, its the same price.

I'm sorry...I'm just not playing any more.  Everything about the release of this box has been done wrong.  


I agree.  If they lowered the price for the music only, it'd upset those who ordered the box for the music only.  But, on our side, we're not going to pay for just the Cracker Jacks without the toy!

Its a no win situation.......except for GDP and the $3.5 million they pulled in ( and more power to 'em, of course! ).  :)

Who knows.  I might listen to my ratty copy of Rotterdam someday and think otherwise.  ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 18, 2011, 09:33:17 AM
In the 90s Jerry was clearly much happier away from the horror that had become the Grateful Dead.

Two great Garcia and Grisman videos (you might recognise the tune on one of them)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFX5L1Ithuc&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeJcTf3h6E&feature=youtu.be



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 18, 2011, 06:56:28 PM

In the 90s Jerry was clearly much happier away from the horror that had become the Grateful Dead.

Two great Garcia and Grisman videos (you might recognise the tune on one of them)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFX5L1Ithuc&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeJcTf3h6E&feature=youtu.be



Absolutely wonderful David. Watching those two clips, led me to finding this one.   A big, big favourite of mine by G and G.   [;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnF8P4NrGqQ&feature=related


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 18, 2011, 07:08:10 PM

Watching those two clips, led me to finding this one.   A big, big favourite of mine by G and G.   [;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnF8P4NrGqQ&feature=related


Superb!  I love seeing him look happy (its all relative!).  He always looks like he's carrying the weight of the world whenever you see him on stage with the Dead in the 90s.  And he sort of was really...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 18, 2011, 07:34:55 PM
Yes, you're right David he did look that way in the latter years with the Dead.  Post up any further stuff you find (Garcia related) please.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on February 28, 2011, 02:18:09 AM
"I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?"

I'd go chronological, if possible/convenient.  If you can order them easily so they're chronological, that's how I"d go.  If not, just start with the first song, and press play!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on February 28, 2011, 07:19:25 PM

"I have recently been given "Dicks Picks 1970-83" in digital form which seems to consist of 120 or so CD's and have no idea where to start other than at the first and working my way through.

Would that be the best approach, DeadHeads?"

I'd go chronological, if possible/convenient.  If you can order them easily so they're chronological, that's how I"d go.  If not, just start with the first song, and press play!


"That path is for.....your steps alone."   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 28, 2011, 07:25:34 PM

"That path is for.....your steps alone."   :)


Or...

"Inch your way through Dead dreams to another land"   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 13, 2011, 06:49:13 PM
From reports doing the rounds online, it like Augustus Owsley Stanley III (aka The Bear) has departed for other worlds.  His long strange trip lasted 75 years....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2011, 08:23:46 AM

From reports doing the rounds online, it like Augustus Owsley Stanley III (aka The Bear) has departed for other worlds.  His long strange trip lasted 75 years....


I was just about to post the same.  He died in a car crash in Australia.   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 14, 2011, 09:09:19 AM

From Barry Melton:

'Bear was in the Studio for "Electric Music for the Mind and Body" and left
an indelible imprint on the music and in my life'

From Phil Lesh:

Fare thee well, Bear

A Beautiful Mind

I received a text in the middle of last night that Bear Stanley has died in
a car accident in Australia. Bear, for me, was a true kindred spirit; when
we first met, it was as if I had met a long-lost brother from another
lifetime. I am heartbroken and devastated at his passing.

He was a friend, a brother, an inspiration, and our patron at the very
beginning of our creative lives. We owe him more than what can be counted or
added up- his was a mind that refused to accept limits, and he reinforced in
us that striving for the infinite, the refusal to accept the status quo,
that has informed so much of our work.

He never gave up his quest for pushing the limits of whatever he was working
on. We had just been discussing his concept of point-source sound
reinforcement in relation to a new project of mine, and his vision
incorporated the latest developments in technology and perceptual research.

My heart goes out to his family, for whom he had such love and pride- his
wife Sheilah, his children, grand-children, and
great-grandchildren- who have lost their patriarch.

A mind like Bear's appears very rarely, and it's been my privilege and honor
to have known and loved two such minds- Jerry and Bear. I always laugh when
I think about what Jerry once said about Bear: There's nothing wrong with
Bear that several billion fewer brain cells wouldn't fix.

I am eternally grateful for all of the gifts that Bear brought to the scene
and to the music.
Fare you well; I love you more than words can tell.

- Phil


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 14, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Another link for Bear..........

http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/03/13/owsley-bear-stanley-dies-in-car-accident/


Great website for those interested by the way.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 15, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
Happy 71st to Phil today...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 16, 2011, 06:19:45 PM

Happy 71st to Phil today...


After reading his book and hearing the stuff he put his body through, how come he still looks so young?   8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on March 16, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
Pickled?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2011, 02:28:49 PM
This is a great interview with Bear

http://www.bruceeisner.com/writings/2004/08/interview_with__2.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 18, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
Sad to hear of The Bear's demise.

Guardian obit here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/mar/15/owsley-stanley-obituary

I love the Garcia quote;  "There's nothing wrong with Bear that a few billion less brain cells wouldn't cure," & didn't realise "Kid Charlemagne" was about him, but having revisited them, it makes sense.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on March 20, 2011, 05:20:33 PM
New movie, and the website has some nice stuff, including Bob Weir and Mickey Hart performing an acoustic "The Other One" and "Jack Straw".  The movie looks to be pretty good, based on an Oliver Sacks essay.
http://themusicneverstopped-movie.com/video-music/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 21, 2011, 08:38:49 AM
Have any of you Deadheads seen this site?  Just been launched by Mr Weir.  It looks and sounds like a highly promising idea.

http://www.tristudios.com/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 29, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
This sounds like an interesting show.......

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/elvis-costello-joins-furthur-for-band-s-final-new-york-blowout-20110328

Available to listen to here http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=543605


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 12, 2011, 10:06:58 AM
The latest Road Trips offering looks to be particularly strawberry. Full show from Denver, 21st Nov '73, + a segment from the previous night with a "Mind Left Body Jam". Mmm.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-3?eml=dn/041111/rttext2
 


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 13, 2011, 09:15:11 AM

The latest Road Trips offering looks to be particularly strawberry. Full show from Denver, 21st Nov '73, + a segment from the previous night with a "Mind Left Body Jam". Mmm.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-3?eml=dn/041111/rttext2


I fancy this one!

There's a bonus disc for subscribers.  I didn't subscribe though.  I'm wondering what the bonus disc is all the same, with a eye to maybe grabbing one on eBay.  If anyone finds out what the bonus is, please let me know.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on April 13, 2011, 10:43:28 AM

 Bit of an anorak question: There's an excerpt from the Grateful Dead's 'Dark Star' on the 'Zabriskie point' soundtrack album; can anyone tell me what it's taken from? I assume 'Live/Dead' but I'm unfamiliar with most of their work so a bit of help to identify the recording would be most welcome...

Thanks   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 13, 2011, 11:07:01 AM


 Bit of an anorak question: There's an excerpt from the Grateful Dead's 'Dark Star' on the 'Zabriskie point' soundtrack album; can anyone tell me what it's taken from? I assume 'Live/Dead' but I'm unfamiliar with most of their work so a bit of help to identify the recording would be most welcome...

Thanks   ;D


Yes, it's an edit from Live/Dead.  Recorded at the Fillmore West in 1969.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on April 13, 2011, 11:08:19 AM

 Thank you  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 15, 2011, 10:55:12 AM
I'm not a one for 'tribute bands' but hearing live Dead tunes is always to be encouraged.

If anyone is in or around Manchester tomorrow please come along to this...the Deed are very very good in,er,deed.....

http://www.workingmans-deed.110mb.com/

I'll be there (but don't let that put you off)....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on April 15, 2011, 11:08:22 AM

I'm not a one for 'tribute bands' but hearing live Dead tunes is always to be encouraged.

If anyone is in or around Manchester tomorrow please come along to this...the Deed are very very good in,er,deed.....

http://www.workingmans-deed.110mb.com/

I'll be there (but don't let that put you off)....


wow im wondering about how to manage that right now


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 15, 2011, 11:09:18 AM


I'm not a one for 'tribute bands' but hearing live Dead tunes is always to be encouraged.

If anyone is in or around Manchester tomorrow please come along to this...the Deed are very very good in,er,deed.....

http://www.workingmans-deed.110mb.com/

I'll be there (but don't let that put you off)....


wow im wondering about how to manage that right now


Oh please do, Jim...would be great to say hi...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 17, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
A most enjoyable evening had by all..attendance was good (about 50 - 10 or more higher than was needed to make things pay for themselves so everyone was happy).  I particularly enjoyed the reaction of the confused regulars in the pub.  One was asking about who the band was and why everyone was wearing those colourful t-shirts?   :D

If anyone is in France in June...they might be interested in this event....it's another rather special gig by Deadicace, another excellent Dead covers band.  When they played at SOL a couple of years ago, Barry Melton sat in with them.

The band's Bill Giles writes:

Tuesday 21 June 2011 - Fete de la Musique. 1945 - 2100
Place de la Mairie, Auvers sur Oise (30km north west of Paris)

Hey, we're playing on the Solstice as part of the Fete de la Musique at
Auvers sur Oise.   (All French towns celebrate the Fete de la Musique -
you can play in the street, plug into a lampost .... but this is the
event organised by the town hall.)  As you'll probably know, the Dead
had been scheduled to play at the Auvers festival on the weekend of
19/20 June 1971 but the whole event was rained out (Jean-Michel can
testify).  Staying at the nearby (5km) Chateau d'Herouville which housed
a recording studio, the band played in front of the Chateau to an
audience mainly from the village on the 21st. This will be the 40th
anniversary of that impromptu concert.

No links for the event are yet up on the Auvers town site.  Meanwhile
recollections of the festival (non-)event can be found en francais at
http://paris70.free.fr/auvers71.htm





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on April 17, 2011, 09:06:55 PM



I'm not a one for 'tribute bands' but hearing live Dead tunes is always to be encouraged.

If anyone is in or around Manchester tomorrow please come along to this...the Deed are very very good in,er,deed.....

http://www.workingmans-deed.110mb.com/

I'll be there (but don't let that put you off)....


wow im wondering about how to manage that right now


Oh please do, Jim...would be great to say hi...


what with getting new windows in and the footie being on at tea time i was just too cream crackered,unfortunately
a bad me for me this week as ai;m pretty well gigged out what with FoF last thurs, muffins on tuesday and saw dox on thurs next
next time ill try harder to make it, if they do a next time,that is


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 25, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
You couldn't make it up...Being sued for selling their own music!!!

http://legalpad.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/04/patent-suit-against-grateful-dead-seen-as-gratuitous.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Bob Barrows on April 25, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
Interesting. Some major players in the arena (Apple, Microsoft (Zune), Napster, Amazon, et. al.) have already settled lawsuits (http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/01/apple-itunes-sharing-sound-settlement/) filed by that company.

Here's the patent they're being accused of infringing:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6247130.pdf
Fritsch, Bernhard seems to have a very secure future ...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 30, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
Pete was wondering on another thread why I don't particularly enjoy Live/Dead.

For me the era before they started to write songs in a more trad/songwriterly style is much less accessible.   I did enjoy Anthem and parts of Aoxomoxoa, but Live/Dead showcases just the long psychedelic improv epics, and whereas in the context of a Dick's Picks or a Road Trips I can enjoy one or two of these excursions, an album that includes nothing but this aspect of their output isn't going to get many replays chez moi.  I don't think it's bad or anything - but a Dead album without some shorter melodic songs isn't going to be one of my faves.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 30, 2011, 03:37:23 PM

Pete was wondering on another thread why I don't particularly enjoy Live/Dead.

For me the era before they started to write songs in a more trad/songwriterly style is much less accessible.   I did enjoy Anthem and parts of Aoxomoxoa, but Live/Dead showcases just the long psychedelic improv epics, and whereas in the context of a Dick's Picks or a Road Trips I can enjoy one or two of these excursions, an album that includes nothing but this aspect of their output isn't going to get many replays chez moi.  I don't think it's bad or anything - but a Dead album without some shorter melodic songs isn't going to be one of my faves.

Jules

I can understand your thinking.   At that moment in time - being unaware of what delights were to follow in later years - it WAS the pinnacle.   I was quite disappointed at the time Aoxomoxoa was released, mainly because it contained too many songs, and not enough solos.   I've since changed my mind on that album, of course.
It was a similar thing with Quicksilver. When Shady Grove was released, I could have cried. Unfortunately, unlike the Dead, poor old Quicksilver never released anything to surpass Happy Trails.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 30, 2011, 07:34:08 PM

poor old Quicksilver never released anything to surpass Happy Trails.  


Yes they did - the self titled debut is much better IMO.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 30, 2011, 07:38:44 PM


poor old Quicksilver never released anything to surpass Happy Trails.  


Yes they did - the self titled debut is much better IMO.

Jules

When I said surpass, I meant AFTER Happy Trails, not before!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 30, 2011, 07:40:54 PM



poor old Quicksilver never released anything to surpass Happy Trails.  


Yes they did - the self titled debut is much better IMO.

Jules

When I said surpass, I meant AFTER Happy Trails, not before!


You may have meant that, Pete, but that ain't what you typed!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 01, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
We are everywhere :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/suu-kyi-dedicated-follower-of-the-grateful-dead-2277350.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 01, 2011, 05:33:54 PM




poor old Quicksilver never released anything to surpass Happy Trails.  


Yes they did - the self titled debut is much better IMO.

Jules

When I said surpass, I meant AFTER Happy Trails, not before!


You may have meant that, Pete, but that ain't what you typed!   ;)

Jules

Oh shut up Jules, or I won't take that 'Stepping Out' cd off your hands!!!!!!  :-*


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 01, 2011, 05:35:51 PM

We are everywhere :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/suu-kyi-dedicated-follower-of-the-grateful-dead-2277350.html


Excellent David.  We truly are everywhere!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 02, 2011, 01:39:54 PM


The latest Road Trips offering looks to be particularly strawberry. Full show from Denver, 21st Nov '73, + a segment from the previous night with a "Mind Left Body Jam". Mmm.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-3?eml=dn/041111/rttext2


I'm wondering what the bonus disc is all the same, with a eye to maybe grabbing one on eBay.  If anyone finds out what the bonus is, please let me know.


Answering my own question, here's the lowdown on the subscription-only bonus disc:-

Recorded live at Cleveland Public Auditorium, Cleveland, OH (December 6, 1973)
All selections are previously unissued recordings

Track listing:
1. Greatest Story Ever Told (5:42)
2. China Cat Sunflower > (9:18)
3. I Know You Rider (5:31)
4. Dark Star > (43:33)
5. Eyes of the World (14:03)

Look at the length of that Dark>Eyes pairing!  Jeez!   :o

I'm going to try my hardest to track one of these down as I didn't take out a sub.   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 02, 2011, 06:34:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5D_j6mtCA4

Dunno if any of you followed my previous link to Bob Weir's new rehearsal studio TRI, but here it is again.  It's well worth a glimpse IMO.
There are some other equally enjoyable videos.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 03, 2011, 08:47:14 AM
Europe '72 is good on songs, and a superb live album, although it's studio tweaked. There's a companion set Steppin Out-  England '72 which is also excellent. Also classic live stuff is on the 'Skull and Roses' album.

Don't get into Dick's Picks until you get some other live albums would be my advice. DPs are wart and all, complete concerts, and vary a lot, though the good ones are very good indeed.

Good Studio: Mars Hotel, American Beauty, Workingman's Dead, Wake of the Flood.

Sorry if this repeats other posts - no time to read it all.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 03, 2011, 08:49:20 AM

Europe '72 is good on songs, and a superb live album, although it's studio tweaked. There's a companion set Steppin Out-  England '72 which is also excellent.


Well if you just signed on for the forthcoming motherlode of box sets, then Steppin' Out has become somewhat redundant........unless you're called Pete.   :D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 03, 2011, 08:56:41 AM


Europe '72 is good on songs, and a superb live album, although it's studio tweaked. There's a companion set Steppin Out-  England '72 which is also excellent.


Well if you just signed on for the forthcoming motherlode of box sets, then Steppin' Out has become somewhat redundant........unless you're called Pete.   :D

Jules


No, I can live without that one- I don't even know if i'd live long enough to hear it in its entirety, especiall the way i keep CDs - 2,3,4, 5 year old unplayed discs on my shelves.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 03, 2011, 04:32:26 PM

Steppin' Out has become somewhat redundant........unless you're called Pete.   :D

Jules


Jules,  hehehe   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 03, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/05/03/bob-weir-to-webcast-from-tri-studios-next-week/

Sorry to double post, but the above news is too good to keep to my little self.  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeA on May 03, 2011, 11:00:54 PM
Good news indeed - Bob Weir is a hero, but technologically leaves (burys) me standing...unsure how and when this could be accessed - particularly with regard to my lousy rural bandwidth speeds, bearing in mind the high specification required to deliver such quality sound - took the best part of 40 mins to plough through the TRI introduction video - nice sound though...

Ratdog for Cropredy...one fine day!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 03, 2011, 11:06:31 PM


Ratdog for Cropredy...one fine day!


Ratdog for anywhere.  They haven't played together since Jan 2010...  Give me RD (and indeed Phil & Friends) over Further any day of the week...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 04, 2011, 09:07:07 AM

Good news indeed - Bob Weir is a hero, but technologically leaves (burys) me standing...unsure how and when this could be accessed - particularly with regard to my lousy rural bandwidth speeds, bearing in mind the high specification required to deliver such quality sound - took the best part of 40 mins to plough through the TRI introduction video - nice sound though...



Mike,I found that even on my broadband that the picture stuttered a little, but not the sound.  I tried watching it on youtube, and it flowed perfectly.  Unfortunately, it takes a few days for someone to post to youtube.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 04, 2011, 09:18:25 AM



Answering my own question, here's the lowdown on the subscription-only bonus disc:-

Recorded live at Cleveland Public Auditorium, Cleveland, OH (December 6, 1973)
All selections are previously unissued recordings

Track listing:
1. Greatest Story Ever Told (5:42)
2. China Cat Sunflower > (9:18)
3. I Know You Rider (5:31)
4. Dark Star > (43:33)
5. Eyes of the World (14:03)

Look at the length of that Dark>Eyes pairing!  Jeez!   :o

I'm going to try my hardest to track one of these down as I didn't take out a sub.   :(

Jules


And it sounds even better than it looks :D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 04, 2011, 09:24:18 AM

And it sounds even better than it looks :D


You found a spare hour then?   :D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 04, 2011, 09:26:15 AM


And it sounds even better than it looks :D


You found a spare hour then?   :D

Jules


Well, I started off multi-tasking but I forgot what else I was doing and started 'air-tripping' (it's like playing air guitar but with pretend hallucinogens) instead....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 05, 2011, 02:12:27 PM
Just think, Jerry could have been on the Board of Norwich City by now..

This is just post coma.  I particularly like the wistfull little sigh and look as he picks up a big bag of white powder and sprinkles some of the contents onto the cake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMZnjWONmUs


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 05, 2011, 03:03:37 PM

This is just post coma.  I particularly like the wistfull little sigh and look as he picks up a big bag of white powder and sprinkles some of the contents onto the cake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMZnjWONmUs


That is priceless!       David, I'm sorry but being an Ipswich Town nut ,I had to delete any mention of the scum that is NCFC!!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 09, 2011, 07:20:58 AM
This may be of interest to one or two...(you'll need a lossless legs account  - easy to set up):

http://www.shnflac.net/details.php?id=4a536e021efe7cda6485cb0a21d3ab15955fce6d

GRATEFUL DEAD
Rainbow Theater
London UK
03-20-1981

Soundcheck

01 tuning
02 Women Are Smarter - first try
03 Women Are Smarter - second try
04 Women Are Smarter - proto version
05 Althea - complete song
06 tuning
07 Lost Sailor - end of song
08 Sailor Saint transition - first try
09 Sailor Saint transition - second try
10 Jerry riffs
11 taper comments

Source: AUD cassette (Unknown equipment & lineage).
Tape kindly provided by Seaweed1010.

Transfer: Maxell XLIIS > Nakamichi CR-5A > Edirol FA-66 >
Wavelab > CD-Wave > TLH > FLAC 1644 Tagged, May 2011.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 09, 2011, 10:48:12 PM
Bob and the Marin Symphony... http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18025425?nclick_check=1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 11, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
http://www.tristudios.com/

Another post from TRI studios, this one with Bobby and Jackie Greene's run through of Sugaree.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 22, 2011, 09:32:35 AM
http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/05/20/jerry-garcia-guitar-available-in-charity-auction/

Any of you guys fancy winning this?    :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 22, 2011, 01:58:49 PM

This may be of interest to one or two...(you'll need a lossless legs account  - easy to set up):

http://www.shnflac.net/details.php?id=4a536e021efe7cda6485cb0a21d3ab15955fce6d

GRATEFUL DEAD
Rainbow Theater
London UK
03-20-1981

Soundcheck

01 tuning
02 Women Are Smarter - first try
03 Women Are Smarter - second try
04 Women Are Smarter - proto version
05 Althea - complete song
06 tuning
07 Lost Sailor - end of song
08 Sailor Saint transition - first try
09 Sailor Saint transition - second try
10 Jerry riffs
11 taper comments.


That's great. Thanks David. Interestingly (or maybe not), the first listed performance of "Women Are Smarter" was not until 2nd July '81.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: ronnie on May 24, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
Re David and the Rainbow Theatre - I think I was at that gig. Must check it out, thanks for posting!

Ronnie


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 24, 2011, 06:18:12 PM

Re David and the Rainbow Theatre - I think I was at that gig. Must check it out, thanks for posting!

Ronnie


Yup.....I was too.   :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 25, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
http://www.tristudios.com/

Bobby and Friends - West LA Fadeaway


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 19, 2011, 10:32:14 AM
RIP Big Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQuX6bHBe9Y


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 21, 2011, 09:15:16 AM
It's 42 years ago today, that the Dead released AOXOMOXOA.  That makes me feel very old!  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 21, 2011, 09:26:38 AM

It's 42 years ago today, that the Dead released AOXOMOXOA.  That makes me feel very old!  


Yesterday, according to wiki... Sorry, does that make you feel older?   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 21, 2011, 06:26:34 PM


It's 42 years ago today, that the Dead released AOXOMOXOA.  That makes me feel very old!  


Yesterday, according to wiki... Sorry, does that make you feel older?   :)


Yup, even worse thanks David !   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on July 01, 2011, 06:16:41 PM
This trailer looks highly promising. Whaddaya think guys?  Are you on the bus?

http://www.magictripmovie.com/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 01, 2011, 06:17:29 PM

This trailer looks highly promising. Whaddaya think guys?  Are you on the bus?

http://www.magictripmovie.com/


Furthur!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 05, 2011, 12:37:07 PM


The latest Road Trips offering looks to be particularly strawberry. Full show from Denver, 21st Nov '73, + a segment from the previous night with a "Mind Left Body Jam". Mmm.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-4-no-3?eml=dn/041111/rttext2


I fancy this one!

There's a bonus disc for subscribers.  I didn't subscribe though.  I'm wondering what the bonus disc is all the same, with a eye to maybe grabbing one on eBay.  


Finally tracked one down with the bonus disc.  Not cheap, but neither was it at the ludicrous high price I've been seeing it go for either.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on July 14, 2011, 07:20:12 PM
OOOoooooooo!    Have you guys listened to this?   'Fierce' is the term I think that they used.   :P

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fgratefuldead%2Flisten-to-the-other-one-4-11&h=sAQCYM9UG


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 28, 2011, 01:15:58 PM

OOOoooooooo!    Have you guys listened to this?   'Fierce' is the term I think that they used.   :P

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fgratefuldead%2Flisten-to-the-other-one-4-11&h=sAQCYM9UG



No, but certainly shall after finishing this free 90 minute download from Mickey & Bill & Rhythm Devils

http://www.therhythmdevils.net/  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 10, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
I just found this again after forgetting about it for a few years. Thanks Robert.

http://members.aye.net/~hippie/hunter.htm    :'(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: ronnie on August 19, 2011, 08:52:46 AM
Slight deviation from the thread but has anyone heard of a Furthur European tour next year? It neatly links in to 40 years on from the famous tour.

ronnie


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: vanessa on August 19, 2011, 09:39:09 AM
I was told by someone who is on the furthur forum that there had been some discussion about it.
Apparently someone knew someone who was adamant that a venue had been booked in Europe (can't remember where but not uk )
I suspect it might be wishful thinking but wouldn't it be wonderful? Cropredy 2012?
If you haven't already i recommend you take a look on Bob Weir's TRIstudio site some good stuff there!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 19, 2011, 09:39:38 AM

Slight deviation from the thread but has anyone heard of a Furthur European tour next year? It neatly links in to 40 years on from the famous tour.

ronnie


Extraordinarily unlikely I'd suggest (Bobby lost lots of money with Ratdog in 2002/3 and Phil has publicly ruled out touring in Europe with P&F), but it would be lovely if it happened...

ps if anyone has a spare Europe '72 box lying around for about 50 quid...I'm your man  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 19, 2011, 09:41:29 AM

Cropredy 2012?



I'd be suprised if you could book Further for less than the entire booking budget of the festival.  And you'd probably have about 5000 people there (5000 people who'd have a fab time, but still about 10000 too few to break even).  Sad but true!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: vanessa on August 19, 2011, 11:53:44 AM


ps if anyone has a spare Europe '72 box lying around for about 50 quid...I'm your man  ;D
[/quote]

I will keep my eye out for you ;)

http://http://store.dead.net/live-shows/europe-72-vol-2-cd

This might keep you busy whilsy you are waiting :D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 29, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
Oh God...I've just seen pictures of the Box itself.  Oh God, oh god, oh god... I'm having serious anti anti-materialist issues  ;D

Anyway, onto music I can and will hear, how about this.  Bloody excellent.

Bob Weir, Chris Robinson, and Jackie Greene
2011-08-20 Folks Festival, Planet Bluegrass Ranch, Lyons, CO

Tracklisting:
1. intro
2. New Speedway Boogie
3. Friend of the Devil
4. Ramble On Rose
5. When I Paint My Masterpiece
6. Catfish John
7. Tell Me Mama, Tell Me Right
8. Appaloosa
9. Big Bad Blues
10. Sugaree
11. Bird Song
12. Peggy-O
13. Uncle John's Band
14. China Cat Sunflower >
15. I Know You Rider
(Encore)
16. Ripple


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 29, 2011, 09:46:49 PM

Oh God...I've just seen pictures of the Box itself.  Oh God, oh god, oh god... I'm having serious anti anti-materialist issues  ;D


Where?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 29, 2011, 09:50:49 PM


Oh God...I've just seen pictures of the Box itself.  Oh God, oh god, oh god... I'm having serious anti anti-materialist issues  ;D


Where?

Jules


On FB.  Here http://www.facebook.com/SunshineDaydream?sk=wall

Not sure if it's open access or not.  If it's not just search for Sunshine Daydream Chicago Hippie Shop and press 'like'.  Then look at the album and start gently weeping..for people like me who have more than earned our stripes but can't afford it.  Self pity?  You bet... ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on August 29, 2011, 09:53:25 PM

Oh God...I've just seen pictures of the Box itself.  Oh God, oh god, oh god... I'm having serious anti anti-materialist issues  ;D




oh ghod, i think i know exactly what you mean


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 29, 2011, 10:06:36 PM


Oh God...I've just seen pictures of the Box itself.  Oh God, oh god, oh god... I'm having serious anti anti-materialist issues  ;D




oh ghod, i think i know exactly what you mean


Let's start a self help group, Jim.  We'll repeatedly play a self made compilation of Brent lead vocals from the late 80's whilst looking at photographs of the rubbish left behind by those young rascals in the parking lots post-87.  That will sort us... ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 29, 2011, 10:55:27 PM

On FB.  Here http://www.facebook.com/SunshineDaydream?sk=wall

Not sure if it's open access or not.  If it's not just search for Sunshine Daydream Chicago Hippie Shop and press 'like'.  


Thanks, David.  Yes I can see it (as a non-Facebooker).  Hmmm... I wonder when they're going to email me to finalise my purchase.  They said they were starting doing that last week....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 29, 2011, 11:05:04 PM


On FB.  Here http://www.facebook.com/SunshineDaydream?sk=wall

Not sure if it's open access or not.  If it's not just search for Sunshine Daydream Chicago Hippie Shop and press 'like'.  


Thanks, David.  Yes I can see it (as a non-Facebooker).  Hmmm... I wonder when they're going to email me to finalise my purchase.  They said they were starting doing that last week....

Jules


You could at least sound a little excited, Jules!  

Lots of people haven't been emailed yet...I wouldn't panic (although if it's any consolation they are all freaking out too...)  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 29, 2011, 11:18:49 PM

You could at least sound a little excited, Jules!  


Actually I felt a little disappointed that I couldn't see more detail!

Thanks for setting my mind at ease though.  And you're still welcome to come for a listening party....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 30, 2011, 11:29:53 AM
A (tiny!) video of FotD from the Bobby, Jackie and Chris set mentioned elsewhere...

http://marqueemag.com/2011/08/21/weirrobinsongreene-trio-folks-festival/



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 30, 2011, 06:31:36 PM

A (tiny!) video of FotD from the Bobby, Jackie and Chris set mentioned elsewhere...

http://marqueemag.com/2011/08/21/weirrobinsongreene-trio-folks-festival/




That sounds great David.
 
Whilst this link is not entirely Dead related, it does looks interesting.  I like some of Neal Casal's solo stuff, and of course with Ryan Adams.

http://www.jambands.com/reviews/shows/2011/08/21/chris-robinson-brotherhood-williamsburg-music-hall-brooklyn-ny-8-10


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2011, 12:01:34 PM
Casal must be one of the most underrated guys around...superb guitarist.

Just heard from a couple of mates that their cards had been declined for payment by GDM/Rhino for the '72 box.  This is after both of them told them of the change of their card details as requested in the order info.

In the scheme of things, it's only a small thing, but does nothing to alter my conviction that Rhino are genuinely sh*te.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2011, 03:35:17 PM
I know 'We are Everywhere' but this is ridiculous  ;D

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/874186-enlightened-joey-barton-ignores-transfer-deadline-day-to-give-money-to-beggar?fb_ref=ITO%3Dsocialnet-facebook-like&fb_source=home_oneline

I imagine he hasn't a clue (a bit like Becks wearing a Crass shirt in LA the other year), but I quite like the idea of Joey rushing to the front door every time it rings hoping the Postie is bringing him the Europe '72 box  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on September 02, 2011, 04:45:04 PM
Intrigued by the Europe72 box set posts, I had a look at Dead.net.

The initial run of the box set (7,200?) sold out in 4 days.  So they've decided to release the full set of 60 CDs - without the "deluxe packaging" for - the same price as the limited run ($450).  

Sorry, but that just doesn't compute for me. I'd expect some reduction...

I'll stick to the "Europe 72 Vol 2" 2CD set.  

Not that I could afford the box set, nor could I justify spending that amount even if I had the funds.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2011, 05:21:43 PM

Intrigued by the Europe72 box set posts, I had a look at Dead.net.

The initial run of the box set (7,200?) sold out in 4 days.  So they've decided to release the full set of 60 CDs - without the "deluxe packaging" for - the same price as the limited run ($450).  

Sorry, but that just doesn't compute for me. I'd expect some reduction...

I'll stick to the "Europe 72 Vol 2" 2CD set.  

Not that I could afford the box set, nor could I justify spending that amount even if I had the funds.


It's actually 73 CDs, but yeah, I sort of understand you.  I think they ballsed up actually...what they should have done is said 'We'll take order for one month and we'll produce as many packages as orders we receive".  Instead they said there were only however many there were and, of course, panic buying followed and lots of people who really wanted one couldn't get it...hence the decision to release the CDs.  I imagine we'll be able to pick and chose the CDs in due course...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 02, 2011, 06:27:11 PM

I know 'We are Everywhere' but this is ridiculous  ;D

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/874186-enlightened-joey-barton-ignores-transfer-deadline-day-to-give-money-to-beggar?fb_ref=ITO%3Dsocialnet-facebook-like&fb_source=home_oneline

I imagine he hasn't a clue (a bit like Becks wearing a Crass shirt in LA the other year), but I quite like the idea of Joey rushing to the front door every time it rings hoping the Postie is bringing him the Europe '72 box  ;) :)


Haha.  That shot really is bizarre!!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 05, 2011, 11:18:52 AM
A nice interview with Mountain Girl here.

http://www.jambands.com/features/2011/08/31/mountain-girl-and-the-magic-trip-a-conversation-with-carolyn-garcia/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: ronnie on September 06, 2011, 09:06:59 AM
Re Mountain Girl article, I love all that Prankster / Acid Test mythology

ronnie


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 09, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
Dead movie news.

I don't have a Blue ray player, but some of you guys may have.

http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/09/08/grateful-dead-movie-goes-blu-ray/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 13, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
OK, finally got through to Dead Headquarters about my AWOL copy of the E72 box.  They have no record of my order!  This is despite my receiving emails about its progress up until the end of August.  My problem is being "escalated".  I should expect an email regarding this matter soon.  Hmmm...

 >:(

Jules



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 14, 2011, 08:39:10 PM
I'm really f***ing underwhelmed by how little effort the Dead.net people are making to sort this out.  5 phone calls to the States - only 2 got through, and the 2nd time I was left hanging for 6 minutes and ended up just hanging up.  7 emails to their customer services and thus far only 1 reply.  I'm not going to get one am I?   >:(  >:(  >:(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on September 14, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
Did you pay with a credit card? Get them to pursue the matter.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on September 14, 2011, 09:11:33 PM
Never trust a hippy ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 14, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
CJ (of SOL fame) has just contacted you with some direct contact emails etc for people in Rhino/Dead.net that others have had success with.  Hope they clear the logjam for you...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 15, 2011, 07:17:32 AM

CJ (of SOL fame) has just contacted you with some direct contact emails etc for people in Rhino/Dead.net that others have had success with.  Hope they clear the logjam for you...


Thanks, David, I'll be getting on with that as soon as I get settled in my chair.....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 15, 2011, 07:19:02 AM

Did you pay with a credit card? Get them to pursue the matter.


I had to leave them a card number from which they were supposed to debit the money this month.  It didn't happen.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 17, 2011, 09:16:26 AM
Looks like David and CJ's help has greased the wheels and my box is supposed to be with me sometime soon.  Muchos gratitude for my Deadhead friends for making the difference.   8)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 21, 2011, 08:39:16 AM
I'm still waiting for my box but have been assured it's now on its way at last.  Yay!

Meanwhile I see that Rhino/Dead.net are going to issue all the shows separately now, which has to be good news for those who need to spread out their payments.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 21, 2011, 09:22:35 AM



Meanwhile I see that Rhino/Dead.net are going to issue all the shows separately now, which has to be good news for those who need to spread out their payments.

Jules


Good, if inevitable news, but I expect there will be a hefty price premium buying individual shows.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 21, 2011, 06:35:20 PM




Meanwhile I see that Rhino/Dead.net are going to issue all the shows separately now, which has to be good news for those who need to spread out their payments.

Jules


Good, if inevitable news, but I expect there will be a hefty price premium buying individual shows.  



I think I read that they are $28 each.  How much is that in Olde English Pounds?  Anyone?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 21, 2011, 07:56:04 PM

I think I read that they are $28 each.  How much is that in Olde English Pounds?  Anyone?


By the time they get over here then pretty much the same in £s I'd say.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on September 23, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
Finally my box is here!  Let joy be unconfined!  And what a thing of beauty it is too.  The trunk concept is a real giggle.  So cool.

I seem to have been charged a mere £352 for the 73 discs.  Maybe they gave me some money off for all the hassle I've been though...?

I don't think I shall attempt to listen to the whole thing in one sitting.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 03, 2011, 10:46:37 AM
Some of you probably know of The Deadhead's Taping Compendiums Vol's I-III and The Deadhead's Taping Addendum, the latter as rare as hen's teeth.

A kind soul has donated these 4 volumes to the Pen-y-Felin woodland project I am running, and they are now listed for sale on eBay.  Items numbers 250903751166 and 250903755196

(I hope its ok to mention them here - apologies if not)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 03, 2011, 01:54:20 PM

Some of you probably know of The Deadhead's Taping Compendiums Vol's I-III and The Deadhead's Taping Addendum, the latter as rare as hen's teeth.

A kind soul has donated these 4 volumes to the Pen-y-Felin woodland project I am running, and they are now listed for sale on eBay.  Items numbers 250903751166 and 250903755196


Blimey - you coud buy a Europe '72 box set for that sort of money!   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 08, 2011, 09:33:37 AM
And the addendum just sold for £250...one happy wood  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 08, 2011, 09:45:51 AM

And the addendum just sold for £250...one happy wood  :)


Woah - congrats.

More Dead news - a label called Real Gone Music are going to reissue all the out of print Dick's Picks.  Starting with volumes 34, 35 and 36.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 12, 2011, 10:14:24 AM
Final Road Trips is out soon.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips-vol4-no5


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2011, 10:34:13 AM
A lot of Mickey's Smithsonian stuff now available again - CDs and (fairly cheap) digital download:

http://mickeyhart.net/discography

He's also out on the road with a new solo band.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2011, 12:08:02 PM

Final Road Trips is out soon.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips-vol4-no5


Think I'll be diving in for this one.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 12, 2011, 06:22:27 PM


Final Road Trips is out soon.

http://www.dead.net/road-trips-vol4-no5


Think I'll be diving in for this one.

Jules


Sounds good doesn't it?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 12, 2011, 09:18:25 PM

Sounds good doesn't it?


Yup.  I'm rather partial to a bit of '76.  An underrated vintage.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 24, 2011, 11:47:38 AM
Bought Europe 72 vol 2 on Saturday; only halfway through CD1, but extremely impressed. Keith's piano is just so... right!  And the sound is (to my ears) very good indeed.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 24, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
New electronic issue of GD Almanac, contains info on the (inevitable) new archive series "Dave's Picks":

http://www.dead.net/almanac/d/#toc

Hmm.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on October 25, 2011, 08:59:50 AM

Bought Europe 72 vol 2 on Saturday; only halfway through CD1, but extremely impressed. Keith's piano is just so... right!  And the sound is (to my ears) very good indeed.


This is on my list-  but my only reservation is the packaging- card sleeves (no inners, I suspect).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 25, 2011, 09:52:12 AM

This is on my list-  but my only reservation is the packaging- card sleeves (no inners, I suspect).


No, but that really isn't a good enough reservation!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 26, 2011, 08:11:27 PM
Whilst as we all know, tribute bands are rubbish...the Dark Star Orchestra are, most assuredly, not (plenty of stuff online if you don't believe me).

AND, they're playing live in London next March (straight after Jam in the Dam VI at the Milky Way)

The Garage, Highbury - 18th March 2012



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 30, 2011, 08:02:55 PM
21 years ago today, at almost exactly this time, I first saw the Grateful Dead...I have stronger, more rational memories of the Halloween gig, but let's just say I was in a very lovely place that night (as well as Wembley Arena) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: vanessa on October 31, 2011, 12:19:09 PM
I was there too! Were-wolves of London aaahhh-ooooo!

I was actually 9 months pregnant at the time but my husband told me if I went into labour I was on my own?

There was a blue haze in the air as you went into the arena.My son was eventually born 2 weeks late. We reckoned he was too chilled to come out!

Happy days ;D and memories of tye-dye maternity dungarees :)

By the way does the guy who plays like Jerry still play with DSO or just Furthur?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 31, 2011, 01:06:33 PM

I was there too! Were-wolves of London aaahhh-ooooo!

I was actually 9 months pregnant at the time but my husband told me if I went into labour I was on my own?

There was a blue haze in the air as you went into the arena.My son was eventually born 2 weeks late. We reckoned he was too chilled to come out!

Happy days ;D and memories of tye-dye maternity dungarees :)

By the way does the guy who plays like Jerry still play with DSO or just Furthur?



Great story!

Well that was 21 years ago today, not yesterday  :) I missed the 1st Nov show...so these two times were the only times I saw them (although have seen Ratdog half a dozen times or so too).

John Kadlecik isn't in the DSO - he is too busy being Jerry in Further.  His replacement is Jeff Mattson (ex Zen Tricksters and Donna Jean's band) who, unbelievably, I'd actually argue is better...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on October 31, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
Very close call but agreed. Both excellent. The Zen Tricksters are the oldest and I would estimate the best of the Dead bands though I have not heard them in maybe 15 years, though a handful, including DSO, are very very good.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2011, 05:17:35 PM
http://dead.net/30-days-dead-november-1

Love it or loathe it, 30 days of the Dead is back...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2011, 06:04:00 PM

http://dead.net/30-days-dead-november-1

Love it or loathe it, 30 days of the Dead is back...


I dug it last time!

Thanks for giving the heads-up, David, was just about to do same.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on November 04, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
Curses, forgot to download the song yesterday...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 05, 2011, 09:58:01 AM

Curses, forgot to download the song yesterday...


The old ones are still up, so no problem there.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 09, 2011, 06:52:26 PM

http://dead.net/30-days-dead-november-1

Love it or loathe it, 30 days of the Dead is back...


Are we all enjoying the selections so far?  I certainly am.  I like the download for the cover too!   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 09, 2011, 07:03:33 PM

Are we all enjoying the selections so far?


Oops, thanks for the nudge - I haven't downloaded today's yet!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on November 10, 2011, 07:27:58 AM
The appeal of the Dead is still lost on me, but a friend very recently posted this link on FB. I don't think I'll be able to watch it all, but I'll give it yet another go at trying to unravel the "mystery". But you guys, if you haven't seen it or it hasn't been posted before, may well enjoy iy.

Cheers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-fNrbSJMs&feature=share


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 10, 2011, 07:46:53 AM

The appeal of the Dead is still lost on me, but a friend very recently posted this link on FB. I don't think I'll be able to watch it all, but I'll give it yet another go at trying to unravel the "mystery". But you guys, if you haven't seen it or it hasn't been posted before, may well enjoy iy.

Cheers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-fNrbSJMs&feature=share


Nice to see a bit of '87 Dead.  Great link...many thanks indeed  :)  Anyone know what the history of the footage is?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeA on November 18, 2011, 09:08:53 PM
[quI'm still waiting for my box but have been assured it's now on its way at last.  Yay!

Meanwhile I see that Rhino/Dead.net are going to issue all the shows separately now, which has to be good news for those who need to spread out their payments.

Julesote][/quote]

I was interested to see that the Bickershaw set has now become available - having been there, albeit well out of it, I'd love to hear a 'professional' recording as opposed to the stuff I sourced some while back from the usual suspects.
However, it's cited as a Deadnet exclusive, which suggests I can only obtain it from them and reading about the hassle others have had, I wondered if, a) the quality warrants what for me is a complex administrative/retail manoeuvre, and b) if this stuff may show up on Amazon or somesuch in the not too distant future?
Easy answers welcome!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 18, 2011, 09:17:05 PM

[quI'm still waiting for my box but have been assured it's now on its way at last.  Yay!

Meanwhile I see that Rhino/Dead.net are going to issue all the shows separately now, which has to be good news for those who need to spread out their payments.

Julesote]


I was interested to see that the Bickershaw set has now become available - having been there, albeit well out of it, I'd love to hear a 'professional' recording as opposed to the stuff I sourced some while back from the usual suspects.
However, it's cited as a Deadnet exclusive, which suggests I can only obtain it from them and reading about the hassle others have had, I wondered if, a) the quality warrants what for me is a complex administrative/retail manoeuvre, and b) if this stuff may show up on Amazon or somesuch in the not too distant future?
Easy answers welcome!
[/quote]

Spin have it for preorder...

http://www.spincds.com/
(just put 'Grateful Dead Bickershaw' in the search...)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 20, 2011, 06:53:27 PM
Still playing my way through the big Europe '72 box, and I have to say that the Dark Star > Morning Dew pairing from the Munich show is stunning, haunting, powerful and other such things.  Now you know me, I don't usually go for the Dead doing marathon jams, so this is saying plenty for me!  Truly exceptional.    (Either that or I'm finally getting the hang of it all at last.)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 02, 2011, 07:25:16 PM
Don't know if this has been posted before?
Garcia discussing his love of the film,  'Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein'.   His enthusiasm is always so infectious.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKUtyUmS4IE&feature=related


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on December 04, 2011, 02:37:18 PM
I was just listening yesterday to an old David Bromberg album - "Demon in Disguise" - and realized that I hadn't heard him mentioned around here.  That album, from 1972, and also "Wanted Dead or Alive" from 1974, has the Dead as the backup band for many of the songs.  Terrific recordings, great mix of blues, celtic, rock, folk...  I'm guessing that maybe some of you British folks maybe never even heard of him, but in the 70's he was pretty much on every Dead-head's radar.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on December 04, 2011, 04:11:17 PM

I was just listening yesterday to an old David Bromberg album - "Demon in Disguise" - and realized that I hadn't heard him mentioned around here.  That album, from 1972, and also "Wanted Dead or Alive" from 1974, has the Dead as the backup band for many of the songs.  Terrific recordings, great mix of blues, celtic, rock, folk...  I'm guessing that maybe some of you British folks maybe never even heard of him, but in the 70's he was pretty much on every Dead-head's radar.


I remember seeing DB at the Cambridge Folk Festival in about 1973, but never never made a connection with the Dead. Thanks for the tip. Off to check out those titles.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on December 16, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
Finally got Europe '72 Volume 2 (not going to get the big box -- I'm a collecter but I have to draw the line somewhere!).  Quite a nice set.  Thought I might note here that on "Sing Me Back Home" there are the overdubbed vocals like on Volume 1.  In this case you can actually here the original vocals bleed through every now and then.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 16, 2011, 06:20:57 PM

Finally got Europe '72 Volume 2 (not going to get the big box -- I'm a collecter but I have to draw the line somewhere!).  Quite a nice set.  Thought I might note here that on "Sing Me Back Home" there are the overdubbed vocals like on Volume 1.  In this case you can actually here the original vocals bleed through every now and then.


There are tracks like that scattered around the big box too.  They could have gone to the 2-track safety copies for the "pure" versions of tracks that were overdubbed, in cases where the original parts were wiped or part-wiped on the multitracks, but they chose not to, it would seem.  Strange.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on December 17, 2011, 03:20:25 AM


There are tracks like that scattered around the big box too.


Really?  I'd love to see a list of all of the overdubbed tracks that weren't on the original Europe '72, or, even better, hear them all together.  I prefer them, actually -- I've always thought that the Dead's live vocals were their weakest trait.  The few times they went back and overdubbed it usually was worth it, giving us the best of both worlds: on-pitch singing and thought-through harmonies combined with their generally inspired live musicianship.  I've often wondered if there were more from the Skull & Roses recordings too.

And -- this just in -- and definitely not for me: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/gear-up/grateful-dead-launch-video-game-20111216


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 17, 2011, 07:30:43 AM
I got the email about the game yesterday.  I do despair at those running the organisation these days and their ideas.  A repulsive concept.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 17, 2011, 10:35:09 AM



There are tracks like that scattered around the big box too.

Really?  I'd love to see a list of all of the overdubbed tracks that weren't on the original Europe '72, or, even better, hear them all together.


Actually thinking about it, the ones I've noticed were all from the original Europe '72 album.  And it looks like they put the other contenders for "master takes" on Vol 2, so there may not be any more you haven't already got.  Though He's Gone, for example, is unedited.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 17, 2011, 10:39:22 AM

I prefer them, actually -- I've always thought that the Dead's live vocals were their weakest trait.  The few times they went back and overdubbed it usually was worth it, giving us the best of both worlds: on-pitch singing and thought-through harmonies combined with their generally inspired live musicianship.  I've often wondered if there were more from the Skull & Roses recordings too.


I know what you mean, but it still doesn't seem right to have studio vocals on what puports to be a souvenir of a concert tour.  What I would have done is had the "pure" live versions for the big box, to preserve unity, and used the overdubbed versions for Vol 2, so that both variations were out there.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 26, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
Ratdog reunite (at least once)

http://www.relix.com/news/2011/12/25/ratdog-will-perform-next-month



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: michael from naas on December 28, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
Jules-can I ask for a bit of advice from yourself and other well informed Dead posters.

I used to listen to The Dead in a casual way (I know,contradiction in terms) mostly American Beauty and Workingman's Dead.

For reasons even I don't understand my interest has reignited.Something to do with getting older I suspect.

There is such a bewilderment of live material about that a comparative novice like myself has no clue where to start.

Would someone be kind enough to suggest a good "mainstream" primer to get me back on the road.

I have some itunes credit thanks to Christmas and no inherent objection to extended guitar wig outs!

Going to check out David Bromberg as well.A name I haven't heard in years.

Many thanks

Michael ;) ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 29, 2011, 12:38:51 PM

Jules-can I ask for a bit of advice from yourself and other well informed Dead posters.

I used to listen to The Dead in a casual way (I know,contradiction in terms) mostly American Beauty and Workingman's Dead.

For reasons even I don't understand my interest has reignited.Something to do with getting older I suspect.

There is such a bewilderment of live material about that a comparative novice like myself has no clue where to start.

Would someone be kind enough to suggest a good "mainstream" primer to get me back on the road.


The irony is that this thread started when I was a Dead newbie asking the very same question!

I would start with the original live albums from the early seventies:- Grateful Dead (aka "Skull and Roses") and Europe '72, both now available in expanded editions with extra tracks.

After that, well it all tends to get personal, depending on which era you prefer.  But you can't go wrong with the above two collections.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on December 29, 2011, 06:44:10 PM

I would start with the original live albums from the early seventies:- Grateful Dead (aka "Skull and Roses") and Europe '72, both now available in expanded editions with extra tracks.


Wholeheartedly agree!  After that, I'd go with "Reckoning" which was an all-acoustic double-LP (now with bonus tracks, too, although I haven't heard them).  

And for the full-concert recordings of earlier shows that they began to release later on, I'd recommend "One From The Vault" and "Dick's Picks #18".  Both of these (well, at least the Iowa portion of the Dick's Picks one) were very popular vinyl bootlegs for years, until they were finally released officially.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 29, 2011, 07:36:54 PM
http://www.tristudios.com/


Good Ol' Bobby's Scaring the Children, playing 'Ashes and Glass'.   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: michael from naas on December 29, 2011, 10:37:04 PM
Jules/Sam,many thanks for your advice and suggestions.

I'm plumping for Europe 72 to begin with.Good mix of songs and some stretched out jams.

It'll get me through January anyway.

Thanks again and a Happy New Year

Michael


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 30, 2011, 12:29:23 AM

Jules/Sam,many thanks for your advice and suggestions.

I'm plumping for Europe 72 to begin with.Good mix of songs and some stretched out jams.

It'll get me through January anyway.

Thanks again and a Happy New Year


An absolute pleasure.  Enjoy!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: sliprigilio (Al) on December 30, 2011, 10:42:11 AM
For serious jamming/explorations you really should get the classic 'Live/Dead' from '69.  I'm pretty sure Jules is not so keen on this one but it's a classic (apologies, if I'm mis-quting you Jules)  - 'The Eleven' is a joy and 'Dark Star' sublime.  However, if you're keener on the more song-orientated it mat be a little heavy going...

Slippy
 8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 30, 2011, 01:57:37 PM

For serious jamming/explorations you really should get the classic 'Live/Dead' from '69.  I'm pretty sure Jules is not so keen on this one but it's a classic (apologies, if I'm mis-quting you Jules)  - 'The Eleven' is a joy and 'Dark Star' sublime.  


Not mis-quoting me at all - it's my least favourite Dead album.  Oh the heresy!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: michael from naas on December 30, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
Gentlemen,you can't fight in here,this is the War Room.

Just dipping my toe into Live Europe.

Downloaded it last night and just listening through in sequence to get a feel of the whole concert experience.


Very positive about it thus far,sort of a cosmic country rock vibe to it.



















Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 30, 2011, 10:41:54 PM

sort of a cosmic country rock vibe to it.


Yes, that sums it up nicely.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on December 30, 2011, 11:29:38 PM

 a cosmic country rock vibe to it.


pretty well sums up the Dead


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 31, 2011, 12:25:57 AM


 a cosmic country rock vibe to it.


pretty well sums up the Dead


Except the parts that it doesn't, like the jazz bits and the folk bits and the....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 31, 2011, 12:57:10 AM

I'd recommend "One From The Vault" and "Dick's Picks #18".  Both of these (well, at least the Iowa portion of the Dick's Picks one) were very popular vinyl bootlegs for years, until they were finally released officially.


I'm playing the latter (DP18) for the first time right now - it's a very high energy performance.  Superb stuff!  I can add my name to this recommendation.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: michael from naas on December 31, 2011, 11:35:49 AM
Just having a mug of tea and listening to He's Gone (rock and roll eh!)

For me it is the stand out song at the moment but it will take a few weeks of listening to get a handle on the whole album.

Will certainly be investigating some of the other suggestions people have made including some of the extended jamming stuff.

Not at least giving a listen to Dark Star or St Stephen would be a bit like going to France and not drinking any wine.

Thanks again for the enthusiasm and advice.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 31, 2011, 11:41:29 AM

Just having a mug of tea and listening to He's Gone (rock and roll eh!)

For me it is the stand out song at the moment but it will take a few weeks of listening to get a handle on the whole album.


Such a shame it fades out.  He's Gone from the same concert on the big Europe '72 box set doesn't (obviously) and for that reason alone it's the definitive version.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 31, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Some NYE stuff collected together here...

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2011/12/30/grateful-dead-new-year-s-eve-through-the-decades



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 10, 2012, 07:48:33 PM
I know what we'll do next, says Micky...

http://sfist.com/2012/01/09/golden_gate_bridge_to_be_turned_int.php

as you do...  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 11, 2012, 07:11:30 AM

I know what we'll do next, says Micky...

http://sfist.com/2012/01/09/golden_gate_bridge_to_be_turned_int.php

as you do...  ;) :)


It's been begging for it really!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 27, 2012, 01:54:28 PM
For those of us living in the wrong timezone for the broadcast this may just come in rather useful...  :)

Ratdog 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zly376vg37U


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 27, 2012, 03:25:26 PM

For those of us living in the wrong timezone for the broadcast this may just come in rather useful...  :)

Ratdog 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zly376vg37U


Nice one, David. Many thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeA on January 27, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
Many, many thanks for the Ratdog link - a real joy - hope some more of this shows up and that this outfit remains "unfinished business" a while longer!

Cheers.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 14, 2012, 08:52:30 PM
DVD box set and a half - mostly released already, but seems fairly competitively priced, at least if you lived in the US.

http://www.planetrock.com/news/rock-news/huge-grateful-dead-dvd-box-on-the-way-3394/

http://shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257684&sid=1A08933A335A4C7496586965389423A8&nocookie=true


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 18, 2012, 12:41:32 PM
The first volume of "Dave's Picks" has arrived & what a cracker it is. Mind you, to open the series with a spring '77 (The Mosque, Richmond, VA. 25/05/77) Betty Board was always going to be a pretty safe bet. The playing is exemplary & even Donna-Jean sounds fab.

The recording has more breadth & depth than some of the raw & claustrophobic "Road Trips", but the distant vocals & higher ambience level creates a very nice overall listening experience.

A couple of quibbles; the last track on set 1 ("Promised Land"), suffers from, what I'm assuming is some irredeemable tape decay & is very distracting. Plus, the (digi)packaging is physically pretty weak. I believe the paper grammage is to be increased on further releases.

Overall though, I can recommend this, but get in quick. My copy is numbered 11262 out of 12000.

If that wasn't enough, a kind soul has given me a loan of the Europe '72 trunk, talk about cups overflowing!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on February 20, 2012, 05:22:06 AM

The first volume of "Dave's Picks" has arrived & what a cracker it is. Mind you, to open the series with a spring '77 (The Mosque, Richmond, VA. 25/05/77) Betty Board was always going to be a pretty safe bet. The playing is exemplary & even Donna-Jean sounds fab.


I will 100% second with the above review.  Just a great show from beginning to end.  As for the packaging, the cardboard is a little weak, but I'm glad they're in the plastic trays, as opposed to the envelope-like slipcases.  The Road Trips were always a little snug, so there seemed to be a danger of either ripping the package or damaging the CD.  

They hadn't released a '77 show in a few years (iirc!), so this one was a very welcome choice.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 20, 2012, 09:49:38 AM

Interestingly, on that point, I've often wondered why the splendid Barton Hall, Cornell Uni show, from 8th May '77, has never been officially released. I'd assumed it was because it was probably already the most widely circulated, high quality '77 show. However, the sleeve notes to Dave'sP 1 state that the The Vault doesn't hold the Cornell master tapes. That somebody else has them goes some way to explaining why it was released into the wild so early & it's non-appearance in any series. A pity, as for me, it still rates as the best show, that I've heard, from that spring's tour.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 20, 2012, 09:59:42 AM

Interestingly, on that point, I've often wondered why the splendid Barton Hall, Cornell Uni show, from 8th May '77, has never been officially released. I'd assumed it was because it was probably already the most widely circulated, high quality '77 show. However, the sleeve notes to Dave'sP 1 state that the The Vault doesn't hold the Cornell master tapes. That somebody else has them goes some way to explaining why it was released into the wild so early & it's non-appearance in any series. A pity, as for me, it still rates as the best show, that I've heard, from that spring's tour.


I received a CDR copy of that show just the other week.  I must get around to playing it.  I've read all about its reputation on the web.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 20, 2012, 10:22:25 AM


Interestingly, on that point, I've often wondered why the splendid Barton Hall, Cornell Uni show, from 8th May '77, has never been officially released. I'd assumed it was because it was probably already the most widely circulated, high quality '77 show. However, the sleeve notes to Dave'sP 1 state that the The Vault doesn't hold the Cornell master tapes. That somebody else has them goes some way to explaining why it was released into the wild so early & it's non-appearance in any series. A pity, as for me, it still rates as the best show, that I've heard, from that spring's tour.


I received a CDR copy of that show just the other week.  I must get around to playing it.  I've read all about its reputation on the web.

Jules


I can guarantee, you'll not be disappointed.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on February 23, 2012, 04:50:40 AM
Definitely want to second Ian's guarantee.  It does live up to its reputation.  It's amazingly well played, great song selection, and really not just a great Grateful Dead show, but just a great concert in general.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 23, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Been really enjoying some of the Dead Covers Project vids being posted at Dead net.  

I'd normally run about a hundred miles (in less than an hour) from a Brent song, but this is a lovely cover of I Will Take You Home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DibFt4L3z-I



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on February 23, 2012, 07:31:49 PM
Will not be of interest to all Deadheads but another Mickey endeavor doubtless of the highest integrity. Searching for the sound it has been said.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/entertainment/ci_20025482


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 04, 2012, 03:26:07 PM
Haven't listened to Phil & Friends for ages so I downloaded the 17th Feb gig from etree.  I'm no Haynes fan, but the guitar sound and 'texture' that he, the great John Scofield and Jackie Greene get together is outstanding.  The gig's so good I swear I even heard Phil singing in tune for a moment there on 'Eyes..'  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 12, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
If you missed out on the Europe '72 box set, but are now in a position to buy the CDs either separetely or in a job lot, you may want to buy this empty crate to put them in:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/grateful-dead-europe-complete-72-box-TRUNK-ONLY-NO-cds-books-new-road-trips-/110839972185?pt=UK_Home_Garden_CD_DVDStorage_SM&hash=item19ce93c159

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 12, 2012, 11:05:31 AM
I've put my mp3's in there but I just keep losing them...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 14, 2012, 12:18:49 AM
This is an interesting looking project for Bob...The National are great...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/members-of-grateful-dead-the-national-form-band-for-the-bridge-session-20120224


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 14, 2012, 12:20:07 PM

This is an interesting looking project for Bob...The National are great...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/members-of-grateful-dead-the-national-form-band-for-the-bridge-session-20120224



Not come across the National before. Any recommendations for an entry point?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on March 14, 2012, 01:40:34 PM
Good to see John Barlow will be around between sets addressing matters of import, Occupy type notions, including apparently the main one, re money, lobbyists. If that guy ever decided to run for office I would certainly do work for him.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 14, 2012, 02:31:32 PM


This is an interesting looking project for Bob...The National are great...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/members-of-grateful-dead-the-national-form-band-for-the-bridge-session-20120224



Not come across the National before. Any recommendations for an entry point?


Alligator was their first 'big' album...2004/5 I think without looking... Not heard anything of theirs I really dislike, and that gives a fairly representative idea of their 'sound'...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 14, 2012, 02:39:15 PM



This is an interesting looking project for Bob...The National are great...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/members-of-grateful-dead-the-national-form-band-for-the-bridge-session-20120224



Not come across the National before. Any recommendations for an entry point?


Alligator was their first 'big' album...2004/5 I think without looking... Not heard anything of theirs I really dislike, and that gives a fairly representative idea of their 'sound'...


Thanks, David.

Agree with Raymond re John Perry Barlow a hero of our times, as well as a great lyricist.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 14, 2012, 06:59:24 PM

John Perry Barlow a hero of our times, as well as a great lyricist.


Yes great lyricist/poet, and a very understanding and forgiving man by all accounts.   He wasn't, apparently, always too impressed with some of Weir's tunes written to accompany his work.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 14, 2012, 07:30:23 PM

He wasn't, apparently, always too impressed with some of Weir's tunes written to accompany his work.


I'm not always impressed with them either!   ;)

If Hunter/Garcia had, say, a 75% success rate, then I'd put Barlow/Weir at around about 40%.

Of course, the best Barlow/Weir songs are right up there with the Dead's best.  But there is certainly some dreck as well.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 14, 2012, 07:31:27 PM



Of course, the best Barlow/Weir songs are right up there with the Dead's best.



Which ultimately, is all that counts....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 15, 2012, 08:40:57 AM


Of course, the best Barlow/Weir songs are right up there with the Dead's best.


Which ultimately, is all that counts....


Well, yes, I suppose so.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 15, 2012, 03:25:32 PM
Happy, er, gulp, 72nd Phil...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NRPVRhagc

 :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 23, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
This Europe '72 knockout tournament is fun!:-

http://www.dead.net/bracket/

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 21, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
New Dave's Picks on its way. The whole of 22/10/71 Chicago on two discs & a selection from previous night on a third, including a very rare, if usually dispensable,"Frozen Logger", think FC's "Yellow Bird".  Keith Godchaux's 2nd & 3rd gigs. After the disappointing DP2, according to reviews of this tour, this release should be a welcome return to form.  :)

http://www.dead.net/features/daves-picks/daves-picks-volume-3?eml=dn/061912/dp3text1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on June 21, 2012, 06:21:23 PM
Yeah Ian, Logger Song a bit of a throw away, certainly the weirdest one I recall was when it popped out for the first time since about 71 (could easily be wrong about that nugget, strictly on memory)during the Red Rocks run in 85 with Mickey introducing one or some of his percussion exotica instruments, sounded kinda like a musical saw, into the arrangement, while sound guy Dan Healy worked his strange magic on Weir's voice, probably worked well on that percentage of the crowd that was well baked. Seemed to be completely unplanned, maybe before one or some of the others wandered out onto the stage, cannot recall their ever having come out together. In fact that was always sort of a pre show ritual to see who could first be spotted wandering around backstage, would amp up the expectation level in the crowd.
On memory again I think that new release was from the Auditorium Theater in Chicago, sound and construction wise, one of the finest in the world.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 01, 2012, 07:49:29 AM
Raise a small glass to Mr Jerry Garcia...who would have been 70 today  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on August 01, 2012, 09:10:24 AM

Raise a small glass to Mr Jerry Garcia...who would have been 70 today  :)


RIP, Gerry.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 01, 2012, 09:14:59 AM
Thank's for the reminder, David. Quite perchance, Keystones is this morning's choice.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on August 01, 2012, 10:15:47 AM

Raise a small glass to Mr Jerry Garcia...who would have been 70 today  :)

the bugger did have to wait for my presence in the states to peg out. it spoiled my day at epcot(not that a day at epcot takes much spoiling,its rubbish)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 01, 2012, 10:42:14 AM


Raise a small glass to Mr Jerry Garcia...who would have been 70 today  :)

the bugger did have to wait for my presence in the states to peg out. it spoiled my day at epcot(not that a day at epcot takes much spoiling,its rubbish)


We Quodlibets were upset as we had tickets for the Madison Square Gardens run in September. Still, I suppose it was worse from his perspective.  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 02, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
Oh 'eck, more expense:  http://www.dead.net/spring1990  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on August 11, 2012, 03:57:40 AM

Oh 'eck, more expense:  http://www.dead.net/spring1990  :)


Sigh, I know what you mean.  I'm tempted, but I remember a few years ago thinking that I had enough 1990 Dead.  That being said, I think I will be picking up the two CD sampler.  I think that's a good compromise.  

I do like the box sets they've been putting out.  I mean, I like the idea of putting out runs of shows.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 09, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
At last, despite the best efforts of Parcelfarce to delay delivery indefinitely, the Spring '90 box has arrived.

The packaging is more robust than the Europe '72 trunk & is stuffed with pretty irrelevances that could have improved the cover price dramatically by their exclusion.
More importantly, the recordings & performances are both superb. Crystal clear sound with well balanced mixes. The whole band seems to be up for a good time. There's no hint of the ennui of many late '80s shows & the Brent / Jerry interplay is often quite stunning. Sad that this was Brent's last tour before his untimely demise, but despite the bloated & extravagant presentation this box is a nice addition to his legacy.

Quite a number of Deadheads of my acquaintance hold later Dead performances in low esteem, but in my opinion, a lot of this material stands up well against "classic" periods; different indeed, but just as engaging & rewarding.

It would be nice to have a set of the Autumn European tour with Hornsby & Welnick, especially the superb Paris 27/10/90, but I expect it'll be a long time before they revisit this period.
 :)

 


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 09, 2012, 10:47:17 AM

At last, despite the best efforts of Parcelfarce to delay delivery indefinitely, the Spring '90 box has arrived.


They're having a bit of trouble, aren't they.  My Dave's Picks vol 3 took three months to finally appear!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Nick Reg on October 09, 2012, 02:15:10 PM
There's a 4 disc Garcia/Saunders live box due soon from 1973.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 09, 2012, 08:25:00 PM

There's a 4 disc Garcia/Saunders live box due soon from 1973.


Yum  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 12, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
I've just picked up a photo book of the Dead for the princely sum of £2 from HMV; 365 colour and b&w photos covering the history of the band. A quick skim revealed some pix I'd seen before, but many I hadn't.  Helluva bargain for the Deadheads amongst us...  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 12, 2012, 05:29:23 PM

I've just picked up a photo book of the Dead for the princely sum of £2 from HMV; 365 colour and b&w photos covering the history of the band. A quick skim revealed some pix I'd seen before, but many I hadn't.  Helluva bargain for the Deadheads amongst us...  8)


What's it called Paul?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: David (terrrrrrrr) on October 12, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
No, I don't think it's called Paul...    ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 13, 2012, 12:36:08 AM
I'm thinking it's this:-

http://www.abramsbooks.com/uploadedImages/Books/9780810972827.jpg

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 13, 2012, 09:35:45 AM

I'm thinking it's this:-

http://www.abramsbooks.com/uploadedImages/Books/9780810972827.jpg

Jules


Thanks Jules...not seen that....will keep an eye out for it.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 14, 2012, 10:58:35 AM

I'm thinking it's this:-

http://www.abramsbooks.com/uploadedImages/Books/9780810972827.jpg

Jules


Yep that's the one!

Thanks Jules.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 16, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
The news that 'Wake of the flood' was released 39 years ago today, has made me feel very old indeed!  
I'm going to go and crank up the stereo right now........  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 17, 2012, 04:40:28 PM

The news that 'Wake of the flood' was released 39 years ago today, has made me feel very old indeed!  
I'm going to go and crank up the stereo right now........  ;D


I'm a bit behind the curve on this, but a link to a rather nice acoustic demo of "Weather Report Suite" was up on the Dead's Facebook page. I'm assuming it's the version from the expanded "Wake of the Flood" included in the "Beyond Description" box.

http://soundcloud.com/rhinorecords/grateful-dead-weather-report



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 17, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
"One man bottles what another man spills."   ;D

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/dogfish-grateful-dead-to-brew-a-grassroots-collaboration-american-beauty.44539/



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 17, 2012, 06:19:11 PM

"One man bottles what another man spills."   ;D

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/dogfish-grateful-dead-to-brew-a-grassroots-collaboration-american-beauty.44539/




I may alter my strapline to that!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on October 17, 2012, 06:30:15 PM


"One man bottles what another man spills."   ;D

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/dogfish-grateful-dead-to-brew-a-grassroots-collaboration-american-beauty.44539/




I may alter my strapline to that!  ;D

Pretty high gravity too!  I could spill quite a bit after a couple of them!!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 18, 2012, 06:09:41 PM



"One man bottles what another man spills."   ;D

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/dogfish-grateful-dead-to-brew-a-grassroots-collaboration-american-beauty.44539/




I may alter my strapline to that!  ;D

Pretty high gravity too!  I could spill quite a bit after a couple of them!!  ;D



Detailed tasting notes please Helmsy!   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 23, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
I'd forgotten all about this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCYbRmSlW-M


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 27, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
This place looks wonderful for a Deadhead evening out, doesn't it?   Has anyone from TAW been to visit yet?

http://www.terrapincrossroads.net/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 27, 2012, 07:31:22 PM

I'd forgotten all about this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCYbRmSlW-M


I hadn't.  It's a cracker.  It's also the first thing I ever heard by them.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 28, 2012, 06:22:10 PM


I'd forgotten all about this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCYbRmSlW-M


I hadn't.  It's a cracker.  It's also the first thing I ever heard by them.

Jules


Really Jules?  I assumed that you were a fan from way back. You've crammed a hell of a lot of music into a relatively short period of time.  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on October 28, 2012, 08:34:11 PM
it is one of the all time great videos though, i love the bit where "the dogs not been fed for years" and the dog runs off with mickey's leg and boot chased by a roadie


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 29, 2012, 03:27:38 PM

Really Jules?  I assumed that you were a fan from way back. You've crammed a hell of a lot of music into a relatively short period of time.  8)


Yes I did.  No, I was a neophyte until a couple of years or so ago.  The likes of David here and others elsewhere helped steer me right.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 29, 2012, 06:29:55 PM
They've obviously done a good job.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 30, 2012, 07:51:53 AM
Well, I know what I was doing 22 years ago...  :)

http://archive.org/details/gd90-10-30.dsbd.barbella.6678.sbeok.shnf



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 01, 2012, 03:37:10 PM
More goodies & even better, freebies. Hooray.  :)

http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2012, 03:50:08 PM

More goodies & even better, freebies. Hooray.  :)

http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead/


Ooh, thanks Ian!  I'd not thought about them doing this again.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
Hmm, no joys with the downloading for me.  It's so not like Deadnet to have a problem is it?   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2012, 05:52:52 PM

Hmm, no joys with the downloading for me.  It's so not like Deadnet to have a problem is it?   ::)


It would appear to work with Firefox, but not IE.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 01, 2012, 06:47:25 PM
Thanks as usual Ian.  It's never a year since the last 30 days downloads is it?   8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2012, 06:59:33 PM


Hmm, no joys with the downloading for me.  It's so not like Deadnet to have a problem is it?   ::)


It would appear to work with Firefox, but not IE.

Jules


That's weird...it was the exact opposite with me (worked on Chrome too).  Tbh, I can't be arsed with it all.. There's always someone who downloads the lot and then publicises it.  And I really don't listen to the GOGD in bite size chunks like this.  I eat 'em one meal at a time.

 :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2012, 07:22:07 PM

And I really don't listen to the GOGD in bite size chunks like this.  I eat 'em one meal at a time.


What I do is wait until they've all been downloaded, compile them into a chronological running order, and then listen to 'em.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2012, 07:35:19 PM


And I really don't listen to the GOGD in bite size chunks like this.  I eat 'em one meal at a time.


What I do is wait until they've all been downloaded, compile them into a chronological running order, and then listen to 'em.

Jules


It's ok, Jules, you passed.  You have your Deadhead wings.  You don't have to prove it every time you open your mouth now...  ;) :) ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 01, 2012, 07:40:43 PM
well thanks for the heads up, i'm listening to it right now, i cant wait a month

its effin great btw


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 02, 2012, 08:45:34 AM

It's ok, Jules, you passed.  You have your Deadhead wings.  You don't have to prove it every time you open your mouth now...  ;) :) ;D


You saucy git!  All I meant was that this is a way of having a big chunky Dead listening experience.  I thought you might find it helpful as an idea.  Well hush ma mouth!   :-X

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 02, 2012, 09:23:02 AM


It's ok, Jules, you passed.  You have your Deadhead wings.  You don't have to prove it every time you open your mouth now...  ;) :) ;D


You saucy git!  All I meant was that this is a way of having a big chunky Dead listening experience.  I thought you might find it helpful as an idea.  Well hush ma mouth!   :-X

Jules


Remember it's only one step away from collecting Locomotive numbers.  I keep trying to break free...but it just pulls you back in.  You're condemned for all time now, Jules.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 02, 2012, 09:46:30 AM

Remember it's only one step away from collecting Locomotive numbers.


Ain't that the truth.

Now where did I put my anorak....?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 02, 2012, 05:46:18 PM


Remember it's only one step away from collecting Locomotive numbers.  I keep trying to break free...but it just pulls you back in.  You're condemned for all time now, Jules.


That explains it all.  I was an avid train spotter from about 1962 until 1968, and then Jerome and co took over.  I've been hooked ever since.   8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 17, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Donna Jean Band's version of 'Eyes of the World', some wonderful playing imo.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2012/11/16/donna-jean-godchaux-band-feat-jeff-mattson-eyes-of-the-world-at-iridium   8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 17, 2012, 08:23:25 PM
That's great - thanks  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 18, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
Nice take on a great song. Thanks, Pete.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on November 18, 2012, 08:15:02 PM
[/quote]

You saucy git!  All I meant was that this is a way of having a big chunky Dead listening experience.  I thought you might find it helpful as an idea.  Well hush ma mouth!   :-X

Jules
[/quote]

Never thought to do it that way, putting them in chrono order.  Great idea!  Definitely do that at the end of the month, and for last year's.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 18, 2012, 08:27:26 PM

Never thought to do it that way, putting them in chrono order.  Great idea!  Definitely do that at the end of the month, and for last year's.


And the year before!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 18, 2012, 09:42:01 PM


Never thought to do it that way, putting them in chrono order.  Great idea!  Definitely do that at the end of the month, and for last year's.


And the year before!

Jules


Make sure you do 2010 first, then 2011, then this year.  Otherwise bad things will happen.  Probably.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on November 20, 2012, 02:51:38 AM
"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on November 20, 2012, 08:54:14 AM

"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten


Thanks for this great article. It's very well written and really gets to grips with the Dead archive phenomenon. Unfortunately i'm going to have to come back later to finish reading.  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on November 20, 2012, 02:09:41 PM


"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten


Thanks for this great article. It's very well written and really gets to grips with the Dead archive phenomenon. Unfortunately i'm going to have to come back later to finish reading.  8)


Really good read, even if you're not as au fait with the subject as you could be.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 20, 2012, 07:03:17 PM
Here's an interview with Bill Vitt, he was the drummer in the Garcia - Saunders Band.  I knew that he was in the Sons of Champlin at one stage, but didn't know that he'd played on all these other sessions.  What a great and versatile band they were.

http://www.jambands.com/features/2012/11/16/bill-vitt-remembers-his-keystone-companions-jerry-garcia-and-merl-saunders/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on November 20, 2012, 10:12:20 PM



"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten

Thanks for this great article. It's very well written and really gets to grips with the Dead archive phenomenon. Unfortunately i'm going to have to come back later to finish reading.  8)

Really good read, even if you're not as au fait with the subject as you could be.


And here's a related post from the same author, listing his 13 favorite recordings and why:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/11/nicks-picks-paumgarten-picks-his-thirteen-favorite-live-grateful-dead-recordings.html


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 20, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
Nice little list.  I'd say he's got the balance about right...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on November 21, 2012, 08:54:11 AM



"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten


Thanks for this great article. It's very well written and really gets to grips with the Dead archive phenomenon. Unfortunately i'm going to have to come back later to finish reading.  8)


Really good read, even if you're not as au fait with the subject as you could be.

Which I'm not - inspite of having several Dick's Picks in my collection. Eagerly awaiting the Black Friday 2LP Live @ Winterland '71.  8)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on November 25, 2012, 12:50:55 AM



"The Vast Recorded Legacy of the Grateful Dead" - A great article in the new New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/26/121126fa_fact_paumgarten


Thanks for this great article. It's very well written and really gets to grips with the Dead archive phenomenon. Unfortunately i'm going to have to come back later to finish reading.  8)


Really good read, even if you're not as au fait with the subject as you could be.



Excellent article.  Long, but well written and worth the read I think.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on November 25, 2012, 12:51:58 AM


Never thought to do it that way, putting them in chrono order.  Great idea!  Definitely do that at the end of the month, and for last year's.


And the year before!

Jules


Unfortunately I only discovered the "30 Days of the Dead" last year, and don't have the 2010.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 28, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
I know that it's a while since what would have been JG's 70th, but I hadn't seen all of this before.  What a guy eh?   8)
http://www.youtube.com/jerrygarcia


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on November 29, 2012, 05:27:04 PM
Thanks for hipping me to that golden biscuit Pete!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 29, 2012, 06:10:29 PM

Thanks for hipping me to that golden biscuit Pete!


Raymond, I couldn't believe that Hildago story. Not only did he GIVE him a rare Stratocaster, he BUYS tickets to see Los Lobos too!

Oh, and what beautiful daughters too......   :'(    


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 29, 2012, 06:42:42 PM

Thanks for hipping me to that golden biscuit Pete!


Aye, and from me too... :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Barry on November 30, 2012, 08:24:52 PM
Loved this, shared by Graeme Taylor

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 09, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Phil Lesh Quintet still playing with LSD I see!!   ;)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2012/12/09/phil-lesh-quintet-honors-john-lennon/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 18, 2012, 07:07:12 AM
Talking of LSD....

You know you want to  ;D

http://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 18, 2012, 07:34:44 AM

Talking of LSD....

You know you want to  ;D

http://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505


Some people have got far too much time on their hands....

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 18, 2012, 12:59:15 PM


Talking of LSD....

You know you want to  ;D

http://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505


Some people have got far too much time on their hands....

Jules


There's some of  12/3/77, and 18/6/77 missing surely!!  I made it to just about 20 mins of part one and a phone call interrupted me.  I shall return.  ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 21, 2012, 06:47:26 PM
Some Xmas cheer courtesy of Dead/Pigpen and Nicky Hopkins.....

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2012/12/21/grateful-dead-run-rudolph-run-jerry-garcia-band-jingle-bells


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 21, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
Here's a nice little lineup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Janwzq840


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 22, 2012, 06:46:56 PM

Here's a nice little lineup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Janwzq840



A VERY nice lineup.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 22, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
I've seen several version of this tune with Phil and Ryan Adams, but this from 7 years ago, has imo, got to be the best.

http://www.relix.com/video/relix-tv/2012/12/19/phil-lesh-with-ryan-adams-and-the-cardinals-wharf-rat




Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 22, 2012, 07:23:24 PM

I've seen several version of this tune with Phil and Ryan Adams, but this from 7 years ago, has imo, got to be the best.

http://www.relix.com/video/relix-tv/2012/12/19/phil-lesh-with-ryan-adams-and-the-cardinals-wharf-rat





That's great.  I wish Ryan would rock out a bit more these days...I find his acoustic shows a little too one-dimensional.  

When I watch this, I can't help thinking Ryan's loss is Chris Robinson's gain....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 23, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Absolutely David.  Refresh my memory of the lead guitarists name please????


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 23, 2012, 06:46:19 PM

Absolutely David.  Refresh my memory of the lead guitarists name please????


Neal Casal.  He's fab  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 23, 2012, 06:49:30 PM


Absolutely David.  Refresh my memory of the lead guitarists name please????


Neal Casal.  He's fab  :)


That's not Casal in that video I posted above David............

Meanwhile anyone fancy some free Mickey Hart downloads (all legal)!!  http://www.mickeyhart.net/download


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 23, 2012, 06:54:28 PM



Absolutely David.  Refresh my memory of the lead guitarists name please????


Neal Casal.  He's fab  :)


That's not Casal in that video I posted above David............



Is it not?  Standing to Phil's left, largely out of shot for most of the video?  It's not the Cardinals then, if Neal's not there...  My bad then.

UPDATE: Just checked...Neal didn't join the Cardinals til just after this...in which case it's J.P. Bowerstock.  Sorry about the confusion there...it's all mine...I genuinely never knew that...I thought the Cardinals were formed by Ryan and Neal.  D'oh.   :)

What's even worse is that I think I actually saw The Cardinals without Neal, then.  Double D'oh!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 23, 2012, 07:08:37 PM
Yeah, I just looked Bowersock up on wiki, and there's nowt on there about him. He couldn't have been in the band for long. He has a great Garcia-like tone hasn't he?     I did find him on twitter though.

He'd re-tweeted this review of Cold Roses by a cute young kid.   Adams himself has tweeted 'best review ever -honoured'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLVJzA29fI&feature=share    Stick with it, he's great.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 23, 2012, 07:22:26 PM


He'd re-tweeted this review of Cold Roses by a cute young kid.   Adams himself has tweeted 'best review ever -honoured'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLVJzA29fI&feature=share  


That's lovely, isn't it?  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 27, 2012, 05:45:16 PM
How about this?

http://www.moogmusic.com/news/moog-music-resynthesizes-44-year-old-live-recording-grateful-dead-new-tools-artists


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 08, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
Dave's Picks 6 looks nice  :)

"We're really bad at keeping secrets around here so just imagine how hard it's been for us to contain our excitement about the 2 now-complete shows, once missing reels for more than 40 years, that have been selected to make up Dave's Picks Volume 6. The first major return of material to the vault since 2005's Houseboat Tapes, Dave's Picks Volume 6 will feature never-before-heard material from 2/2/70 Fox Theater, St. Louis, MO and 12/20/69 Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, CA. Long a mystery, the riddle of the 2/2/70 set list has now been solved and the music restored to its proper - and spectacular - sequence. 2/2/70 is also notable as Tom Constanten had just left the band. Tom, however, makes his return to give his first-hand perspective on 12/20/69 in this volume's liner notes. Pigpen fiends, ask and you shall receive. Both shows feature loads of Pigpen including a major 35+ minute "Lovelight" from 12/20/69. Recorded by Bear with an excellent mix and sound quality, this very special release feels like a return to the classics.

If you've been curious about the subscribers-only bonus disc, this one is the stuff of lore as well. Like Dave's Picks Volume 6, the last-ever Grateful Dead show at the Fillmore Auditorium - 12/21/69, was once missing reels, but we've acquired the elusive first reel to go with the end of the show that we've always had. This jam-packed CD, featuring almost 40 minutes of never-before-heard music, includes one of only three versions of "Smokestack Lightning" from 1969. You most certainly won't want to miss out on this highly collectible Dead!"


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 09, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Dave's Picks 6 looks nice  :)

"We're really bad at keeping secrets around here so just imagine how hard it's been for us to contain our excitement about the 2 now-complete shows, once missing reels for more than 40 years, that have been selected to make up Dave's Picks Volume 6. The first major return of material to the vault since 2005's Houseboat Tapes, Dave's Picks Volume 6 will feature never-before-heard material from 2/2/70 Fox Theater, St. Louis, MO and 12/20/69 Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, CA. Long a mystery, the riddle of the 2/2/70 set list has now been solved and the music restored to its proper - and spectacular - sequence. 2/2/70 is also notable as Tom Constanten had just left the band. Tom, however, makes his return to give his first-hand perspective on 12/20/69 in this volume's liner notes. Pigpen fiends, ask and you shall receive. Both shows feature loads of Pigpen including a major 35+ minute "Lovelight" from 12/20/69. Recorded by Bear with an excellent mix and sound quality, this very special release feels like a return to the classics.

If you've been curious about the subscribers-only bonus disc, this one is the stuff of lore as well. Like Dave's Picks Volume 6, the last-ever Grateful Dead show at the Fillmore Auditorium - 12/21/69, was once missing reels, but we've acquired the elusive first reel to go with the end of the show that we've always had. This jam-packed CD, featuring almost 40 minutes of never-before-heard music, includes one of only three versions of "Smokestack Lightning" from 1969. You most certainly won't want to miss out on this highly collectible Dead!"


Mmm. Looks good. It goes with the territory, I suppose, but another interminable Pigpen Lovelight? What the world's been waiting for.  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 09, 2013, 01:33:47 PM

Mmm. Looks good. It goes with the territory, I suppose, but another interminable Pigpen Lovelight? What the world's been waiting for.  ;)


I may be unique, but I can honestly say I have never ever felt like that listening to a lengthy Pigpen led Lovelight.  I love the man.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 09, 2013, 06:26:36 PM


Mmm. Looks good. It goes with the territory, I suppose, but another interminable Pigpen Lovelight? What the world's been waiting for.  ;)


I may be unique, but I can honestly say I have never ever felt like that listening to a lengthy Pigpen led Lovelight.  I love the man.



David, how do you feel about his vocals on 'Hey Jude' and 'It's a man's, man's, man's, man's, man's, man's world'?
That really is stretching my love for the Pig!!
 


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 09, 2013, 06:47:23 PM



Mmm. Looks good. It goes with the territory, I suppose, but another interminable Pigpen Lovelight? What the world's been waiting for.  ;)


I may be unique, but I can honestly say I have never ever felt like that listening to a lengthy Pigpen led Lovelight.  I love the man.



David, how do you feel about his vocals on 'Hey Jude' and 'It's a man's, man's, man's, man's, man's, man's world'?
That really is stretching my love for the Pig!!
 


Ok, ok...lol.  One thing to remember with Hey Jude though is that it didn't have the baggage it has now, and its almost impossible to hear it with those ears now.  Conclusion?  Feckin' awful...yeah, but still, to me, infinitely preferable to a Brent original  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 09, 2013, 09:10:15 PM

Conclusion?  Feckin' awful...yeah, but still, to me, infinitely preferable to a Brent original  ;)


In an ideal world I'd do without either, but would deffo take the Pig over the Brentster.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 10, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Yeah, me too Jules.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 15, 2013, 07:20:09 PM
I'd never seen this before, I just stumbled across it last night.
It's some video shot whilst recording parts of 'Built to Last'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRjKjnry2w

I found it really interesting, even though it's not the greatest quality video.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 15, 2013, 10:30:58 PM

I'd never seen this before, I just stumbled across it last night.
It's some video shot whilst recording parts of 'Built to Last'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRjKjnry2w

I found it really interesting, even though it's not the greatest quality video.  


Thanks for that.  Not seen it before either.  Can't imagine watching it more than once, mind  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on January 16, 2013, 06:35:40 PM


I'd never seen this before, I just stumbled across it last night.
It's some video shot whilst recording parts of 'Built to Last'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRjKjnry2w

I found it really interesting, even though it's not the greatest quality video.  


Thanks for that.  Not seen it before either.  Can't imagine watching it more than once, mind  :)


True David, I doubt it will be regular viewing for me either!!  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 18, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
Would love to see this.

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/01/18/bob-weir-and-jonathan-wilson-will-tour-this-winter

Actually, thinking about it...it's one way of getting Bob back over here that might just about be economic...?  Ten years is too long.  One can but dream.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 01, 2013, 07:24:54 PM
Here's a couple of tunes from the Terrapin Family Band at Phil's restaurant/bar.  I'm not too keen on the second offering, 'Into The Mystic', but I very much enjoyed the version of IKYR.  Jackie Greene's slide guitar work sounds great, maybe I was wrong about his suitability for the Black Crowes tour.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2013/01/31/phil-lesh-jackie-greene-shana-morrison-and-the-terrapin-family-band-i-know-you-rider-and-into-the-mystic


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 01, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
Great 'Rider'.  Like you, I'm not quite sold on 'Into the Mystic'.

How about this?  Bob reforms Ratdog.  Sort of...with Jonathan Wilson  :)

http://www.sweetwatermusichall.com/calendar/ratdog-quartet-featuring-bob-weir-jay-lane-robin-sylvester-and-jonathan-wilson


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 03, 2013, 06:35:37 PM
That would be a grand evening David.   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 05, 2013, 06:50:23 PM
http://www.jambands.com/news/2013/03/05/bob-weir-walks-off-stage-at-sweetwater/

Well done Bob is my comment. I've been to many shows where, Americans in particular,hold shouting parties whilst the acts are actually on stage. It's particularly galling when it's a solo artist.

They spoil my 'special' recordings that I listen to also.  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 05, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
What ignorant arseholes.  It's why I really struggle with a lot of live music these days. I just don't understand it at all...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 07, 2013, 06:50:05 PM
40 years ago tomorrow.

September 8, 1945 – March 8, 1973

"Pigpen was and is now forever one of the Grateful Dead"

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 07, 2013, 06:57:53 PM
One of the good guys!  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on March 08, 2013, 09:17:38 AM

One of the good guys!  


I'm not a blues fan, but I just love Pp's voice and harmonica in the Dead. From what i've read, he died as he lived, a hard drinking  blues man.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 08, 2013, 11:38:00 AM

From what i've read, he died as he lived, a hard drinking blues man.


He wasn't quite so hard drinking towards the end.  He got very poorly indeed and wasted away.  Big shame.  He was writing his best Grateful Dead songs towards the end too.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 13, 2013, 09:28:32 AM
Here is video of the complete show from Sunday's Unbroken Chain Benefit show at Lesh's gaff.

If you don't watch the whole show -and I can't think why you wouldn't - please just watch the start of the 2nd set, with 'Help on the Way>Slipknot'. Smoking!

Great sound and all free.... 8)

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2013/03/12/phil-lesh-unbroken-chain-benefit-3-9-13-complete-show


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 14, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
Don't know if this ALL of this has done the rounds. I have seen a couple of clips from the show before.

TURN IT UP!!!     Boy, can that Fogerty put on a show or what?    ;D

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2013/03/14/jerry-garcia-and-bob-weir-join-john-fogerty-memorial-day-weekend-1989

Clarence appears too, what more could we want?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 14, 2013, 07:27:32 PM

Don't know if this ALL of this has done the rounds. I have seen a couple of clips from the show before.

TURN IT UP!!!     Boy, can that Fogerty put on a show or what?    ;D

http://www.relix.com/blogs/picks-and-pans/2013/03/14/jerry-garcia-and-bob-weir-join-john-fogerty-memorial-day-weekend-1989

Clarence appears too, what more could we want?


Nice one, Pete  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on March 15, 2013, 11:20:10 AM
Cracking stuff, cheers!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 15, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
A US Deadhead of mine who I met at UKC in '85 and who gave me my first ever live tapes went to that gig.  She was very happy to see that, so thanks again  :)

Today is Phil's 73rd.  Chose a nice Box of Rain to play in his honour.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Brendan on March 15, 2013, 08:45:05 PM
http://www.popmarket.com/details/28107621?feature_id=28100351
These lot are always flogging stuff but it is a nice item, if your into the dead Europe '72 Tripple Vinyl, offers usually last 24 hours possibly longer.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 20, 2013, 06:28:40 PM
A very nice New Speedway Boogie from Bob Weir and Donna Jean Godchaux, Phish's Mike Gordon, Furthur's Joe Russo and Jeff Chimenti, Ryan Adams and the Cardinals' Neal Casal and Jon Graboff, the Black Crowes' Adam MacDougall and Norah Jones' Jason Abraham Roberts up at Tri Studios...

http://www.tristudios.com/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on March 20, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr2xSpZPENs

I'm just putting this one up for the Wharf Rat.  Its an ok show, but jump to the 56 minute mark to behold the best version of this song I ever had the good fortune to see.  

IMO, the best Rats were done in '77 and '78.  None of the other ones I saw in the 80s came close to those epic versions.  Every time Garcia would begin to play the distorted blissful riffs of angst in his solo between the last verses, I'd pray for him to knock it out of the park.........only to settle for a few good barks and then back into the vocals.

I had already resigned myself into believing that the best Rats were behind us - but that night would be different.  THE MAN delivered!  8)





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 21, 2013, 06:55:44 PM

A very nice New Speedway Boogie from Bob Weir and Donna Jean Godchaux, Phish's Mike Gordon, Furthur's Joe Russo and Jeff Chimenti, Ryan Adams and the Cardinals' Neal Casal and Jon Graboff, the Black Crowes' Adam MacDougall and Norah Jones' Jason Abraham Roberts up at Tri Studios...

http://www.tristudios.com/



Excellent, and what a lineup


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 21, 2013, 07:14:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr2xSpZPENs

I'm just putting this one up for the Wharf Rat.  Its an ok show, but jump to the 56 minute mark to behold the best version of this song I ever had the good fortune to see.  


I had already resigned myself into believing that the best Rats were behind us - but that night would be different.  THE MAN delivered!  8)

Effortless beauty.   8)






Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 03, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
If anybody needed convincing of the beauty of The Dead's heritage, well here's the proof to offer.

A majestic and mellow 'Cassidy', from the Weir Here shows. This may become one of my favourite versions of the song.

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/118300/Video-Bob-Weir-Dave-Schools-and-more-perform-Cassidy-at-TRI-Studios

Sorry if it's already been posted.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 03, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
And here's an absolutely sublime Mountains of the Moon from Neil Casal

https://soundcloud.com/the-royal-potato-family/mountains-of-the-moon-neal?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/the-royal-potato-family/mountains-of-the-moon-neal


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 04, 2013, 06:48:15 PM

And here's an absolutely sublime Mountains of the Moon from Neil Casal

https://soundcloud.com/the-royal-potato-family/mountains-of-the-moon-neal?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/the-royal-potato-family/mountains-of-the-moon-neal


Very enjoyable too, it suits his voice perfectly imho.  The guy on keyboards is the current Black Crowes ivory tinkler.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 05, 2013, 08:27:25 PM
Winterland '74  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTz2Xow7A94



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 05, 2013, 09:39:50 PM

Winterland '74  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTz2Xow7A94


A whole gig?  Wow!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 05, 2013, 09:48:06 PM


Winterland '74  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTz2Xow7A94


A whole gig?  Wow!

Jules


A whole gig?  Pah...it's only 98 mins long  ;)  Nice selection from the 3 gigs though...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 06, 2013, 10:48:12 AM

A whole gig?  Pah...it's only 98 mins long  ;)  


Now you come to mention it, that is a wee bit concise for the good ol' Dead.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 27, 2013, 01:04:32 PM
Bit of worrying news from an unlikely source.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2315508/Grateful-Dead-founder-Bob-Weir-collapses-onstage-New-Jersey.html

Get well soon, Bob.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 27, 2013, 03:30:58 PM

Get well soon, Bob.


Amen to that.   :(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 28, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Good news............the Weir is back!!

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/04/28/bob-weir-returns-with-furthur


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 29, 2013, 06:43:11 AM

Good news............the Weir is back!!

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/04/28/bob-weir-returns-with-furthur


Terrific, thanks Pete.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 30, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
Two wee snippets of a late period "I Know You Rider" & a few words on cyber freedom from John Perry Barlow on Radio 4's Today, this morning.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 01, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
So...shoulder or booze?  This isn't giving much away.

http://bobweir.net/april-30


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 01, 2013, 08:29:37 PM
Boy I would be only too surprised to hear booze. While I have only met him once I have a few friends who know him pretty well, booze has never been a player in his m.o. Shoulder I recall him messing up back in 86 when I met him, he was in a sling during the Garcia coma month. Far more unsettling is speculation of stroke, which I do have firsthand knowledge of, and yes, behaviorally it did have that appearance. But he has always been someone who looks after himself, mountain biking, quarterback of the Mt Tamalpais Cheifs, but finally that is a human form he is living in. I suspect it will come to be sheer exhaustion, and his having taken some kind of painkiller that was more than he could handle, other than just maybe coke, never have known him to be much on pharmaceuticals, save at one point, he claims not since 1966, the highest quality LSD.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 01, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
I too suspect the shoulder injury plus prescription meds plus overdoing it thing.  I'm made more suspicious by press releases that say nothing though (whilst fully understanding he's absolutely entitled to as much privacy as he wants).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 06, 2013, 10:31:24 PM
Whimper...

http://www.dead.net/may1977?eml=dn%2F050613%2Fmay77


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 06, 2013, 10:47:15 PM

Whimper...

http://www.dead.net/may1977?eml=dn%2F050613%2Fmay77


Yum. Think I'll go for the FLACs. Too dear once HMRC take their cut.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 07, 2013, 08:21:50 AM


Whimper...

http://www.dead.net/may1977?eml=dn%2F050613%2Fmay77


Yum. Think I'll go for the FLACs. Too dear once HMRC take their cut.  :)


I've bitten the bullet, God help me.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 07, 2013, 06:26:27 PM
Jules, I admire your dedication to duty!   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 07, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
Good work, Jules.  I'll collect it from the Sorting Office for you!  

I dunno...new Rickenbackers and expensive Dead box sets...they obviously pay Library staff better in Gloucestershire than they do in Lancs.  Good work if you can get it.  The CV is in the post.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 07, 2013, 06:46:32 PM

Good work, Jules.  I'll collect it from the Sorting Office for you!  

I dunno...new Rickenbackers and expensive Dead box sets...they obviously pay Library staff better in Gloucestershire than they do in Lancs.  Good work if you can get it.  The CV is in the post.


Having a doctor for a partner helps a little, David.

And it was a secondhand Rickenbacker.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 07, 2013, 06:49:27 PM


Good work, Jules.  I'll collect it from the Sorting Office for you!  

I dunno...new Rickenbackers and expensive Dead box sets...they obviously pay Library staff better in Gloucestershire than they do in Lancs.  Good work if you can get it.  The CV is in the post.


Having a doctor for a partner helps a little, David.

And it was a secondhand Rickenbacker.   ;)

Jules


In best Please fix it for me voice (is it still legal to say that?) "I'll have a job and a doctor as a partner please, Jules."


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 10, 2013, 09:20:42 AM
I feel like a neophyte on this thread, but all the same, I just bought Blues for Allah (rem CD) and really enjoyed listening to it last night, for the 1st time. I liked it so much i played it again. In the same vein as Wake of the Flood, but more jazzy. My cut off point for the Dead is around '74, and I haven't much time for Anthem of the Sun and anything else before Workingman's Dead either, so it's a small but much loved window, for me. The exception is Go to Heaven, which i like in spite of myself, or itself. Some nice songs on there; 'Althea', 'Lost Sailor'.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 10, 2013, 09:56:18 AM

I just bought Blues for Allah (rem CD) and really enjoyed listening to it last night, for the 1st time. I liked it so much i played it again. In the same vein as Wake of the Flood, but more jazzy. My cut off point for the Dead is around '74


Blues For Allah is much more jazzy than Wake Of The Flood.  In fact, much too jazzy for me.  Have you tried From The Mars Hotel yet?  There's some decent stuff on there.

Also, Terrapin Station worth getting if only for the title track and Lost Prophet.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 10, 2013, 03:23:08 PM


I just bought Blues for Allah (rem CD) and really enjoyed listening to it last night, for the 1st time. I liked it so much i played it again. In the same vein as Wake of the Flood, but more jazzy. My cut off point for the Dead is around '74


Blues For Allah is much more jazzy than Wake Of The Flood.  In fact, much too jazzy for me.  Have you tried From The Mars Hotel yet?  There's some decent stuff on there.

Also, Terrapin Station worth getting if only for the title track and Lost Prophet.

Jules


Yes, I've had Mars Hotel for some years. It's nice-(especially 'Unbroken Chain', and 'China Doll')  and probably the nearest the Dead got to mainstream. The production helps-  very clear and smooth.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 10, 2013, 05:38:36 PM
I kind of have to remind myself what is on those records, won't say they don't get listened to, but there is a whole lotta music, and god knows a whole lotta grateful dead, and though this or that may be of appeal to this or that individual who would not classify themselves as a 24/7 to the bone Deadhead, nevertheless any of their studio records would not be where one finds the Grateful Dead. Did not say none of it is good, but it is the Dead force fit into a bite sized world. They are out of their element.
Agree that Go To Heaven is hands down their most incorrectly maligned work, I believe alot of it had to do with the year it came out, one of several nadirs in popular music was 1980, I think that was the province of the oh so legendary Depeche Mode, bloody rubbish, first class, any connection to heart or the blues completely severed. Coupled with a less than appealing album cover, and a radio track that did bear fruit in live performance, Alabama Getaway, but will not be confused with Uncle John's Band, who's appeal to say, a fan of Crosby Stills and Nash I could understand.
Use of the word jazz, highly apropos within the Grateful Dead. But speaking strictly to their improvisational context, by which Wake of the Flood has every bit as much of that influence as Blues for Allah, with Eyes of the World or Weather Report Suite taking up a signifigant slice of that heartless 40 minutes the Grateful Dead is supposed to squeeze themselves into.
Anthem of the Sun remains my favorite of their standard releases, but those were 2 fine outings, Wake of the Flood and Blues for Allah. But I can totally see how someone can have a lukewarm response to the Grateful Dead via scant exposure only to their studio work, outstanding though alot of it actually is. They are the ultimate real time band, cannot be captured under glass.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 11, 2013, 09:47:27 AM

Use of the word jazz, highly apropos within the Grateful Dead. But speaking strictly to their improvisational context, by which Wake of the Flood has every bit as much of that influence as Blues for Allah, with Eyes of the World or Weather Report Suite taking up a signifigant slice of that heartless 40 minutes the Grateful Dead is supposed to squeeze themselves into.


I guess so, though the difference is that the songs on Wake Of The Flood have stronger tunes.  The stuff on Blues For Allah is more difficult listening to my ears.

Quote
They are the ultimate real time band, cannot be captured under glass.


Nicely put!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 11, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
Yeah Jules, from that perspective you may well be correct. Although if I remember right Franklin's Tower is on Blues For Allah, which fairly regularly achieved prayer like status in performance. Incredible human celebration of spirit at say, Frost Amphitheater on a sunny California day. O man.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 11, 2013, 03:48:27 PM

Yeah Jules, from that perspective you may well be correct. Although if I remember right Franklin's Tower is on Blues For Allah, which fairly regularly achieved prayer like status in performance.


Yup.  Easily the best toon on the record.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 12, 2013, 07:19:25 PM


Anthem of the Sun remains my favorite of their standard releases,


Live/Dead and then Anthem for me I think Raymond.   (I think that way this week anyway!)  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 12, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
Ha! No fair picking live releases. Yeah I know little slabs, i think Feb or Mar 68 show up on Anthem. Of the sort of standard releases, prior to the net, Dicks Picks, etc, I too would go with Live Dead or Reckoning. Not so much because they are precisely "better", but you get twice as much.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 13, 2013, 07:15:17 AM

I too would go with Live Dead or Reckoning. Not so much because they are precisely "better", but you get twice as much.  


If size is everything then surely Europe '72 wins hands down as the mother of all original live Dead albums.  (And yeah I know they cheated with the vocals.)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 13, 2013, 09:37:54 AM


I too would go with Live Dead or Reckoning. Not so much because they are precisely "better", but you get twice as much.  


If size is everything then surely Europe '72 wins hands down as the mother of all original live Dead albums.  (And yeah I know they cheated with the vocals.)

Jules


I'd go with this, with the same caveat. I also really like Europe '72 Vol 2, and Steppin out-UK '72. I'm never gonna get that gigantic box of the tour though-  too much of a good thing.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 13, 2013, 03:39:21 PM


I too would go with Live Dead or Reckoning. Not so much because they are precisely "better", but you get twice as much.  


If size is everything then surely Europe '72 wins hands down as the mother of all original live Dead albums.  (And yeah I know they cheated with the vocals.)

Jules
Yeah but there is nothing on Europe 72 the equivalent of the primal beast Dead as evidenced by the likes of the 11 and of course their ultimate recording, right down to sounding like the Avalon Ballroom itself, of Dark Star. Remarkable live recording considering how long ago it was. While I of course love Europe 72, even in its original form, the idea of reworking vocals is so counter Dead, that I believe it came on heavy advice not their own, at a time when they probably still knew signifigant debt. And it did sell well, the Ice Cream Kid on the cover one of my favorite icons, and the version of Jack Straw is one of their very best acheivements put to wax.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 13, 2013, 03:45:47 PM
Ye know I nearly forgot their last official live release while they were still around, forget the name, the one dedicated to Brent under his family alias of Cliff Hanger. Takes a back seat to none of their more famous releases, beautifully recorded, I believe all at the ultimate Dead venue, Greek Theater Berkeley, in 89. Brilliant live record.
I know some elements of Dead land are quick to mark this or that year as the last year they mattered, but those perspectives are in part or full...incorrect.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 13, 2013, 03:49:34 PM

Yeah but there is nothing on Europe 72 the equivalent of the primal beast Dead as evidenced by the likes of the 11 and of course their ultimate recording, right down to sounding like the Avalon Ballroom itself, of Dark Star.


Not enough choons on Live/Dead for me.  I'll take Europe '72 and Skullf*ck any day.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 13, 2013, 03:55:31 PM

Ye know I nearly forgot their last official live release while they were still around, forget the name, the one dedicated to Brent under his family alias of Cliff Hanger. Takes a back seat to none of their more famous releases, beautifully recorded, I believe all at the ultimate Dead venue, Greek Theater Berkeley, in 89. Brilliant live record.
I know some elements of Dead land are quick to mark this or that year as the last year they mattered, but those perspectives are in part or full...incorrect.


Would that be "Without a Net"? Nice, especially the "Eyes" with Bransford Marsalis.  :)

Regarding "Europe '72", while the big box is deeply wonderful, the original triple LP + the 2 CD "Vol 2" pretty much covers all the bases in my humble.

Very much looking forward to the upcoming "May '77" set.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 13, 2013, 04:37:41 PM
For sure Ian. Do not recall if Branford played with them at the Greek that year, though he did sit in with them on several occasions to come after that Eyes and the show on the East Coast where he stepped in like he had always been there....while knowing jack of their repertoire. My single favorite of the many wonderful guests the Dead had, and a feather in the cap of the jazz world that one could step into that long running conversation like he was supposed to be there. I do recall that Branford said after the first show with them he went out and bought the entire catalogue, he was COMPLETELY blown away, saying basically that these mf's can play jack.
Agreed Jules on Europe 72 to be the one to turn to for the sheer strength of the songs, because on top of that 30 year improv conversation that I suspect took up about 80 per cent of their output, including within those very songs, they wrote a boatload of awesome stand alone songs, regardless of the extrapolations. As is said, the Grateful Dead never played the same song twice.
China Rider too on Without a Net I would mark as the superior of the one on Europe 72. Nothing short of a psychedelic prayer within the Greek Theater with the smell of that eucalyptus and patchouli and weed of course, the view of Berkeley clock tower and further into the San Francisco bay, some of the most fun days of my life.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 13, 2013, 06:27:07 PM

Ha! No fair picking live releases. Yeah I know little slabs, i think Feb or Mar 68 show up on Anthem. Of the sort of standard releases, prior to the net, Dicks Picks, etc, I too would go with Live Dead or Reckoning. Not so much because they are precisely "better", but you get twice as much.  


 ;) I'd never heard Dark Star previously to that being released. It changed my view of guitar music completely and forever.
Yes, Anthem hinted at it with the live segments, but to hear Dark Star with all the instruments so clearly defined...well that changed it all for me.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: bassline (Mike) on May 13, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
well.....I've just read through this entire thread for the third time in a couple of years,knowing I would eventually take the plunge.
My Dead "collection" has up to now consisted of Excerpt from Dark Star on the Zabriskie Point s/t and Ripple from the Mask s/t (Cher not Jim Carrey),along with Live/Dead all on vinyl.I'm very much of the jamming school of thought,and was trying to avoid getting into a whole new,massive catalouge of stuff,considering that my house is creaking with musical items as it is.
Although the YouTube link to Terrapin Station is no longer avaiable,I've located the second half of that show on a website and I'm hooked.
Scarlet Begonias >
Fire on the Mountain >
Good Lovin'
Ramble on Rose
Samson and Delilah
Terrapin Station
Morning Dew
Encore
Johnny B. Goode

I've also ordered second hand copies of Working Man's Dead,American Beauty,Europe 72,Terrapin Station and Oxymoron.(Not wishing to restart the great Coaxial debate again,of course).

You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 14, 2013, 07:19:27 AM

You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


I'm only going to start feeling guilty when you start collecting Dick's Picks, Road Trips and Dave's Picks.   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 14, 2013, 09:04:06 AM


You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


I'm only going to start feeling guilty when you start collecting Dick's Picks, Road Trips and Dave's Picks.   ;D

Jules


Does anyone actually have a firm number on just how many Dead releases, on Cd, there are? Something seems to come out virtually every week, and it's been going on for a while. Just curious.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 14, 2013, 12:42:01 PM



You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


I'm only going to start feeling guilty when you start collecting Dick's Picks, Road Trips and Dave's Picks.   ;D

Jules


Does anyone actually have a firm number on just how many Dead releases, on Cd, there are? Something seems to come out virtually every week, and it's been going on for a while. Just curious.



Haven't checked it for completeness or accuracy, but I bet someone has. This will give you an idea;

http://www.deaddisc.com/GDFD_Grateful_Dead.htm

Of course, this excludes all the audience, soundboard & radio recordings that have circulated freely over the years.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 14, 2013, 01:02:32 PM

well.....I've just read through this entire thread for the third time in a couple of years,knowing I would eventually take the plunge.
My Dead "collection" has up to now consisted of Excerpt from Dark Star on the Zabriskie Point s/t and Ripple from the Mask s/t (Cher not Jim Carrey),along with Live/Dead all on vinyl.I'm very much of the jamming school of thought,and was trying to avoid getting into a whole new,massive catalouge of stuff,considering that my house is creaking with musical items as it is.
Although the YouTube link to Terrapin Station is no longer avaiable,I've located the second half of that show on a website and I'm hooked.
Scarlet Begonias >
Fire on the Mountain >
Good Lovin'
Ramble on Rose
Samson and Delilah
Terrapin Station
Morning Dew
Encore
Johnny B. Goode

I've also ordered second hand copies of Working Man's Dead,American Beauty,Europe 72,Terrapin Station and Oxymoron.(Not wishing to restart the great Coaxial debate again,of course).

You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


Welcome. We are everywhere. Free your inner trainspotter!

Think that is 27/04/77 Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, but missing "Estimated Prophet" the 2nd set opener, one of the last shows without a dedicated Drums segment


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 14, 2013, 06:22:43 PM




You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


Welcome to the bus............you'll never want to get off now Mike!   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 14, 2013, 06:51:56 PM

Welcome to the bus............you'll never want to get off now Mike!   ;)


In all honesty I sometimes do get off the bus.  I visit these other places of interest, like British Folk Rock, Power Pop, Reggae, New Wave and Funk.  And then I sneak back on the bus, and nobody's the wiser that I've been away.   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 15, 2013, 09:19:33 AM




You got me you barstewards..
"He's one of us now...Mwahahahaha!!!"


I'm only going to start feeling guilty when you start collecting Dick's Picks, Road Trips and Dave's Picks.   ;D

Jules


Does anyone actually have a firm number on just how many Dead releases, on Cd, there are? Something seems to come out virtually every week, and it's been going on for a while. Just curious.



Haven't checked it for completeness or accuracy, but I bet someone has. This will give you an idea;

http://www.deaddisc.com/GDFD_Grateful_Dead.htm

Of course, this excludes all the audience, soundboard & radio recordings that have circulated freely over the years.


Thanks. Formidable. And even i can think of things that aren't on there.



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 15, 2013, 06:40:27 PM


Welcome to the bus............you'll never want to get off now Mike!   ;)


In all honesty I sometimes do get off the bus.  I visit these other places of interest, like British Folk Rock, Power Pop, Reggae, New Wave and Funk.  And then I sneak back on the bus, and nobody's the wiser that I've been away.   ;D

Jules


I just take any other music onto the bus with me Jules!  45 years it's been running.....jeez   :o ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 15, 2013, 07:53:35 PM
Even longer, lol. Nearly 50. I think it was the summer of 64 when that thing took off dosed to the then, legal gills, and making announcements from the top of it in like....rural Missisippi I am pretty sure. Given they had at least a couple grade A bad asses on there in Olympic wrestler Kesey and Neal Casady, but still not much of a match for Jo Bob with his double barrell shotgun and a sheriff that may well have looked the other way, could have even been the same guy. Was not such a huge fan of the Acid Test book, certainly at least one better one I know of about acid called Storming Heaven by Jay Stephens, but the notion of those guys in that thing all over the map in that year doing LSD of pure potency still staggers my brain. There is only one San Francisco, you take that thing elsewhere in the US in that year there could be problems...or there could be laughter. I really would love to hear the impressions of "common" folk who recall it. I mean people maybe knew what beatniks were then, hippie was at least 2 years from common use.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 16, 2013, 06:22:18 PM

Even longer, lol. Nearly 50. I think it was the summer of 64 when that thing took off dosed to the then, legal gills, and making announcements from the top of it in like....rural Missisippi I am pretty sure. Given they had at least a couple grade A bad asses on there in Olympic wrestler Kesey and Neal Casady, but still not much of a match for Jo Bob with his double barrell shotgun and a sheriff that may well have looked the other way, could have even been the same guy. Was not such a huge fan of the Acid Test book, certainly at least one better one I know of about acid called Storming Heaven by Jay Stephens, but the notion of those guys in that thing all over the map in that year doing LSD of pure potency still staggers my brain. There is only one San Francisco, you take that thing elsewhere in the US in that year there could be problems...or there could be laughter. I really would love to hear the impressions of "common" folk who recall it. I mean people maybe knew what beatniks were then, hippie was at least 2 years from common use.


Wow, must have still been Mother McCree's in '64, or maybe Warlocks?
Will try and hunt that Jay Stephens book down Raymond. Thanks for those memories.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 16, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
Raymond - just got that book for 1p on Amazon  ;D    £2.80 post and pack  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 16, 2013, 07:17:17 PM

Raymond - just got that book for 1p on Amazon  ;D    £2.80 post and pack  :(
So glad to hear it Pete. There are only about ten books that come with my strongest recommendation, that is one of them, and certainly the only one specific to that subject. If I remember right, with a foreward from Mickey Hart, a favor which I recall to have been returned in one of Mickey's books, I believe Drumming at the Edge of Magic.
Out of all the notions put forward in that book is the one he makes that human communication, re speaking, was formed behind the use of psychoactive plants, and he makes a credible argument indeed.
If anything, the hippies and others come in for alot of deserved stick in this investigation, this is a view of these properties ENTIRE history.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 16, 2013, 07:53:39 PM

Raymond - just got that book for 1p on Amazon  ;D    £2.80 post and pack  :(


Sorry, missed this and can't find it back up there.  Which book is this?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 16, 2013, 09:51:47 PM
4 posts up, Jules!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 17, 2013, 07:16:02 AM

4 posts up, Jules!


Grassy arse.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 17, 2013, 06:29:21 PM
50 years ago................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFE0X27zEW8    ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 17, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
and 49 years ago....http://youtu.be/DbysAK2PYc4
which I believe can accurately be marked as the beginning of the Grateful Dead. In physical form the following year as a sideshow at the first of Prankster Acid Tests. But notionally, here is where it all began. There are no icons available up there of a fierce enough laughter to be placed here for emphasis. but if i could find that image of that dos eques beer guy that floats around facebook saying, "I don't always do psychedelics, but when I do....Holy s**t!" And they got his visage down just right, totally zoned, looks like some psychedelic visionary sombrero he is wearing of a sudden.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: michael from naas on May 17, 2013, 09:56:51 PM
Could I ask something as mundane as what I should get next?

I have Europe 72 Vol 1 (astonishing) the Skull & Roses album (great stuff if not quite as iconic  to my ears) and I recently "acquired" the first set of the last night of Winterland (too soon to form a verdict but a belting Scarlet Begonias)

So what say you,gentlemen of the jury? Europe 72 Vol 2,Live Dead or something else?

I have a small few euro to spend but unfortunately I am not in the market for multi cd box sets and the like and can only wish  all the best to those who are.




Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 17, 2013, 11:12:14 PM

Could I ask something as mundane as what I should get next?

I have Europe 72 Vol 1 (astonishing) the Skull & Roses album (great stuff if not quite as iconic to my ears) and I recently "acquired" the first set of the last night of Winterland (too soon to form a verdict but a belting Scarlet Begonias)

So what say you,gentlemen of the jury? Europe 72 Vol 2,Live Dead or something else?

I have a small few euro to spend but unfortunately I am not in the market for multi cd box sets and the like and can only wish  all the best to those who are.


Well everybody needs American Beauty and Workingman's Dead, but in terms of live documents, yeah that second volume of Europe '72 isn't to be sniffed at.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 18, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Yup, I'd agree with Jules here. If you like their country/folk song based style, those two mentioned are ideal.

I still love the 1st Live/Dead and Anthem of the Sun.  These 2 albums show the more early psychedelic era from '68/'69.

All of them are available as single cds.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 19, 2013, 09:41:45 AM
Some freebies from Mickey;

http://mickeyhart.net/download


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 19, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
Interestingly, the rather excellent Rolling Stone GD special suggests Anthem, Aoxomoxoa, Workingmans Dead, American Beauty and, er, In the Dark are the essential studio recordings..


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 20, 2013, 09:08:48 AM

Interestingly, the rather excellent Rolling Stone GD special suggests Anthem, Aoxomoxoa, Workingmans Dead, American Beauty and, er, In the Dark are the essential studio recordings..


Mojo did a Dead and/or acid rock piece once, years ago.  It recommended a bunch of Dicks Picks whiich turned out to be just fine. Wish I had the article.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2013, 09:35:53 AM

Mojo did a Dead and/or acid rock piece once, years ago.  It recommended a bunch of Dicks Picks whiich turned out to be just fine. Wish I had the article.


I remember Uncut did one about the best live Dead CDs to get.  Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 20, 2013, 09:45:02 AM


Mojo did a Dead and/or acid rock piece once, years ago.  It recommended a bunch of Dicks Picks whiich turned out to be just fine. Wish I had the article.


I remember Uncut did one about the best live Dead CDs to get.  Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Jules


Maybe my internal quality control faculty doesn't function too well, but apart from "Steal Your Face" & the occasional "Road Trips", I reckon you're on pretty firm ground with any of the officially released live stuff. Just depends on which era appeals to you the most.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2013, 09:47:28 AM

Maybe my internal quality control faculty doesn't function too well, but apart from "Steal Your Face" & the occasional "Road Trips", I reckon you're on pretty firm ground with any of the officially released live stuff. Just depends on which era appeals to you the most.


No, I think you're pretty much spot on there.  I don't recall playing a bad one.  And most of them have at least two or three spinetingling moments.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 20, 2013, 06:34:47 PM


 And most of them have at least two or three spinetingling moments.

Jules


Only two or three Jules!   ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 20, 2013, 07:49:37 PM


And most of them have at least two or three spinetingling moments.


Only two or three Jules!   ;)


"At least".

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 21, 2013, 09:13:10 AM


Mojo did a Dead and/or acid rock piece once, years ago.  It recommended a bunch of Dicks Picks whiich turned out to be just fine. Wish I had the article.


I remember Uncut did one about the best live Dead CDs to get.  Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Jules


Possibly , Jules. I don't trust my memory like I used to.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 28, 2013, 04:13:41 PM
Tempted?  :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grateful-Dead-Daves-Picks-1-6-Plus-2012-2013-Bonus-Discs-/221230224226


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 28, 2013, 06:14:48 PM

Tempted?  :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grateful-Dead-Daves-Picks-1-6-Plus-2012-2013-Bonus-Discs-/221230224226


Bleedin' capitalists!   >:(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on May 28, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
With the amount of very decent quality video and exceptional quality, often in the case of "Betty Boards" and other notables, superior to official release quality audio available online I am regularly baffled by people's willingness to pay these exorbinant fees. I mean is it for the shiny case with the computer read out thingy on it? Even on those marks all of these that are available come with covers that can be downloaded for them that also are often the superior of those officially released.
Now I did do more than enough touring to know of the likes of "Trustafarians" and other folks to whom money truly is no object, so that accounts for some of it.
For those of us who have sunk many thousands of dollars into the cause of the Grateful Dead, the argument of stealing money from the artist would be well lost on me. So, as is said, knock yourself out.
btw here is one curio that was of interest to me anyway that popped up on one of the GDead groups I belong to on Facebook yesterday. Of course there are a mind numbing amount of full shows up there but this one makes it on the sort of insider angle. Watched only the first few minutes so far as those opening bits are from a show I was at at Cal Expo in Sacramento on 5/4/86 as myself and my English girlfriend Caroline were 2nd row of people back, between Bob and Jerry with the annoying **** behind us constantly borrowing cigarettes with a mind that seemed permanently baked. So far no luck on the me and Caro spotting. http://youtu.be/NWHvXWvalu0 wow, so much of that stuff up there that I linked the wrong one first, though doubtless also worthwhile. here's the one i intended. http://youtu.be/ZEsr3vuR_f4


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 28, 2013, 10:00:56 PM


Tempted?  :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grateful-Dead-Daves-Picks-1-6-Plus-2012-2013-Bonus-Discs-/221230224226


Bleedin' capitalists!   >:(

Jules


Oh, he's the real deal...selling bootleg silvers et al...I have reported him, but eBay couldn't normally give a sh1t...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 06, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
Can't cut and paste from YouTube on my kindle..but..get yourselves over there and put in 'grateful dead chinacat sunflower sunshine daydream official video' or similar. And enjoy.. :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 06, 2013, 09:45:12 PM

Can't cut and paste from YouTube on my kindle..but..get yourselves over there and put in 'grateful dead chinacat sunflower sunshine daydream official video' or similar. And enjoy.. :)


Well alright!   :)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 07, 2013, 06:26:32 PM

Can't cut and paste from YouTube on my kindle..but..get yourselves over there and put in 'grateful dead chinacat sunflower sunshine daydream official video' or similar. And enjoy.. :)


Great isn't it?  Superb quality film too.   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 08, 2013, 01:02:10 PM
1981 was a good year for UK Deadheads. Not only shows in March & October, but a Rockpalast TV simulcast as well. I dug out the old VHS mono copy last night & thoroughly enjoyed it. Now some kind soul has uploaded the whole show to You Tube. Good recording of a good show, with added Townsend for the post Drums segment, following the Oo's opening set which I don't recall at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldse7hpLphY


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: bassline (Mike) on June 08, 2013, 01:11:58 PM

1981 was a good year for UK Deadheads. Not only shows in March & October, but a Rockpalast TV simulcast as well. I dug out the old VHS mono copy last night & thoroughly enjoyed it. Now some kind soul has uploaded the whole show to You Tube. Good recording of a good show, with added Townsend for the post Drums segment, following the Oo's opening set which I don't recall at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldse7hpLphY


On the other hand,I can remember watching at least part of the 'Oo,but I think I was claimed by sleep for the rest of it.
Meanwhile,I can't get much past the Fillmore 66 show you sent me,I love it.Smokestack Lightning in particular is on heavy rotation.But I have watched the Anthem To Beauty prog on YouTube,and will be embarking on listening to the regular albums after Download.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 10, 2013, 06:20:39 PM
He's back - for sure this time!   :)

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/06/10/bob-weir-is-back  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 10, 2013, 06:46:51 PM

He's back - for sure this time!   :)

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/06/10/bob-weir-is-back  


How many other musicians would have a "He's back" headline after a month long absence from playing live?  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 11, 2013, 06:54:34 PM


He's back - for sure this time!   :)

http://www.relix.com/news/2013/06/10/bob-weir-is-back  


How many other musicians would have a "He's back" headline after a month long absence from playing live?  :)


Probably only Dylan that I can think of......  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 15, 2013, 09:16:55 PM
It's May '77 o'clock  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 17, 2013, 06:25:48 PM
A nice Cassidy from February time with Weir, Wilson and Crosby. Turn it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVYW-IleB20     ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 17, 2013, 07:21:12 PM

A nice Cassidy from February time with Weir, Wilson and Crosby. Turn it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVYW-IleB20     ;D


That's fabulous, isn't it?  I'm ever so slightly in love with Jonathan Wilson you know...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 18, 2013, 06:36:06 PM


A nice Cassidy from February time with Weir, Wilson and Crosby. Turn it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVYW-IleB20     ;D


That's fabulous, isn't it?  I'm ever so slightly in love with Jonathan Wilson you know...


He is rather talented isn't he David?   I keep returning to the clip you posted of 'The Way I Feel' - an absolutely superb version.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 06, 2013, 01:00:16 PM

It's May '77 o'clock  :)


Had first sight & sound of the box last night & in the parlance of the young, it's awesome! The packaging is superb, replacing the overblown, cheap & nasty mega box format of "Europe '72" & "Spring '90". This is a tasteful, stylish & discreet package & on the basis of the one show heard so far, the sound is drop-dead gorgeous. Yum.  :)  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 06, 2013, 01:38:59 PM

Had first sight & sound of the box last night


No sign of mine yet.  It's getting to be a familiar story with Dead.net.   >:(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 06, 2013, 02:02:14 PM


Had first sight & sound of the box last night


No sign of mine yet.  It's getting to be a familiar story with Dead.net.   >:(

Jules


This copy was sourced in the US by a chum on holiday. Maybe international orders haven't been posted yet.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 09, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
18 years ago today...the very last show.  Wow...to think there are adults alive today who have spent all their lives in a world without the Grateful Dead in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2VFoxtcuwQ&sns=em


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 09, 2013, 03:46:06 PM



Had first sight & sound of the box last night


No sign of mine yet.  It's getting to be a familiar story with Dead.net.   >:(


This copy was sourced in the US by a chum on holiday. Maybe international orders haven't been posted yet.


Card on the doormat when I got home yesterday.  £26+ in import duties to pay.   >:(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 09, 2013, 04:04:18 PM




Had first sight & sound of the box last night


No sign of mine yet.  It's getting to be a familiar story with Dead.net.   >:(


This copy was sourced in the US by a chum on holiday. Maybe international orders haven't been posted yet.


Card on the doormat when I got home yesterday.  £26+ in import duties to pay.   >:(

Jules


Ouch. Plus a handling charge, no doubt.  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 09, 2013, 05:05:27 PM

Ouch. Plus a handling charge, no doubt.  :(


I'm hoping that's all in.  We shall see.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on July 09, 2013, 06:26:36 PM

18 years ago today...the very last show.  Wow...to think there are adults alive today who have spent all their lives in a world without the Grateful Dead in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2VFoxtcuwQ&sns=em


It's our sworn and solemn duty to educate every last one of em!  :)

I'm working on the Grandkids at the moment!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: tullist/raymond on July 09, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
A more than a little endearing little clip that floated my way a couple days passed. Having said that I will never forget the undressing I got in this forum some years back when somebody came in here looking to ask what Grateful Dead was of value. Now I dare say for the absolute zero it is worth there is no one walking these corridors who has the real time knowledge of this phenomenon that I do. And the undressing I received for correctly steering them away from Aoxomoxoa as anything to listen to firstly was correct, and seconded by the band. The haughtiness of the response is something I have never forgotten. I ain't asking if it does not include many things that ripened to fullness in the performances of those pieces that made it to the stage. Any record that gives away 20 per cent of its time to the likes of What's Become of Baby is something that can be shuffled to the back until one knows the game. Other assessments here try to corner the Grateful Dead into some American Beauty corner of tunes. That ain't what they do. That they have composed many great songs simply as songs is beside the fact. What they were was a 30 year long conversation relying heavily on improvisation. Even within the ranks of Deadheads one will find a bewildering spectrum of people including both many of the kindest people I have ever met, alongside many of the most self righteous, and in later years, just flat out rude. http://youtu.be/kxDmL_q90-8


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on July 10, 2013, 03:15:27 PM

A more than a little endearing little clip that floated my way a couple days passed. Having said that I will never forget the undressing I got in this forum some years back when somebody came in here looking to ask what Grateful Dead was of value. Now I dare say for the absolute zero it is worth there is no one walking these corridors who has the real time knowledge of this phenomenon that I do. And the undressing I received for correctly steering them away from Aoxomoxoa as anything to listen to firstly was correct, and seconded by the band. The haughtiness of the response is something I have never forgotten. I ain't asking if it does not include many things that ripened to fullness in the performances of those pieces that made it to the stage. Any record that gives away 20 per cent of its time to the likes of What's Become of Baby is something that can be shuffled to the back until one knows the game. Other assessments here try to corner the Grateful Dead into some American Beauty corner of tunes. That ain't what they do. That they have composed many great songs simply as songs is beside the fact. What they were was a 30 year long conversation relying heavily on improvisation. Even within the ranks of Deadheads one will find a bewildering spectrum of people including both many of the kindest people I have ever met, alongside many of the most self righteous, and in later years, just flat out rude. http://youtu.be/kxDmL_q90-8


Glad you said that. I'm by no means a die hard Dead Head, or anything like it, if that makes sesne, but if I'd heard say Anthem of the Sun before anything else, i'd possibly have avoided the Dead altogether. As it is, or was, I heard Europe '72 and live Dead a long time before those difficult early studio affairs, and I'm glad I did.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 02, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
Sunshine Daydream's looking nice and restrained...  :)

http://www.dead.net/sunshine-daydream


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on August 06, 2013, 03:26:57 AM
I am very tempted.  I wish they just had a CD only version.  I just find myself not watching concert films much anymore.  Nothing wrong with them, please don't get my wrong, just given the choice, I'd rather have the CD.  I just don't want to spend the money for a DVD or Blue Ray I won't likely watch.  

That being said, the good thing about concert films is it "forces" you to listen to the music.  As opposed to having the CD on while you're driving, doing the dishes, grading papers (I'm a teacher), etc., you're not paying 100% attention.  But if you're sitting on the sofa, watching the concert, not doing anything else, then you're "forced" to pay attention.

I have a copy of the 8/27/1972 show on CDR that sounds incredible.  There is part of me that can't imagine the official release will sound any better.  However, there are some shows that I had on CDR that sound amazing, and were officially released (Dave's Picks, vol 5 at UCLA for example), and there is a great difference.  

Just my opinion, but 8/27/1972 is one of those shows that is just as good as its reputation, and does deserve the official release.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 06, 2013, 08:29:23 AM



Just my opinion, but 8/27/1972 is one of those shows that is just as good as its reputation, and does deserve the official release.  


Amen to that.  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 06, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
Ditto.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on August 07, 2013, 07:19:19 PM

I am very tempted.  I wish they just had a CD only version.  I just find myself not watching concert films much anymore.  Nothing wrong with them, please don't get my wrong, just given the choice, I'd rather have the CD.  I just don't want to spend the money for a DVD or Blue Ray I won't likely watch.  

That being said, the good thing about concert films is it "forces" you to listen to the music.  As opposed to having the CD on while you're driving, doing the dishes, grading papers (I'm a teacher), etc., you're not paying 100% attention.  But if you're sitting on the sofa, watching the concert, not doing anything else, then you're "forced" to pay attention.

I have a copy of the 8/27/1972 show on CDR that sounds incredible.  There is part of me that can't imagine the official release will sound any better.  However, there are some shows that I had on CDR that sound amazing, and were officially released (Dave's Picks, vol 5 at UCLA for example), and there is a great difference.  

Just my opinion, but 8/27/1972 is one of those shows that is just as good as its reputation, and does deserve the official release.  


There's a workingman's version that will be available on the release date as well - just the 4 discs!  Amazon US has it for $30, so that's where I'll be heading!  :)  l  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 07, 2013, 08:23:27 PM
It's about the first official release in ages I'm genuinely considering buying as opposed to, um, well, er....

£34.66 on Amazon.  That's £20 less than Spin.  The GDM version comes with a 40-page 'book' though...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 10, 2013, 11:53:31 PM

It's about the first official release in ages I'm genuinely considering buying as opposed to, um, well, er....

£34.66 on Amazon.  That's £20 less than Spin.  The GDM version comes with a 40-page 'book' though...


I take it that the version Spin will be selling will have the book though, yes?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 11, 2013, 09:48:39 AM


It's about the first official release in ages I'm genuinely considering buying as opposed to, um, well, er....

£34.66 on Amazon.  That's £20 less than Spin.  The GDM version comes with a 40-page 'book' though...


I take it that the version Spin will be selling will have the book though, yes?

Jules


Hmmm...certainly haven't seen that confirmed anywhere, Jules.  The GDM version is listed as a "GDM exclusive"... Are you going to ask or shall I? [Update: I've emailed Spin]


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 11, 2013, 02:42:49 PM

Are you going to ask or shall I? [Update: I've emailed Spin]


Thanks, David, because if Spin are selling the same version as Amazon, then I may as well cancel my Spin order.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 11, 2013, 07:11:00 PM
£24.84 on Amazon now for the 4 disc version Jules!  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 11, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
I think that is probably too cheap for me to ignore.... Grrrrrr   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 12, 2013, 12:12:12 AM

I think that is probably too cheap for me to ignore.... Grrrrrr   :)


Ditto.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 12, 2013, 10:25:31 PM
Had confirmation from Spin...their version *is* the GDM version...with book et al.  You pays your money, you takes your choice.  Amazon pour moi.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 13, 2013, 04:28:33 PM

Had confirmation from Spin...their version *is* the GDM version...with book et al.  You pays your money, you takes your choice.  Amazon pour moi.


Now I'm torn.   :-\

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 14, 2013, 04:16:11 PM


Had confirmation from Spin...their version *is* the GDM version...with book et al.  You pays your money, you takes your choice.  Amazon pour moi.


Now I'm torn.   :-\

Jules


This'll be the clincher £19.20 on Amazon now!   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Pat Helms on August 14, 2013, 04:59:14 PM



Had confirmation from Spin...their version *is* the GDM version...with book et al.  You pays your money, you takes your choice.  Amazon pour moi.


Now I'm torn.   :-\

Jules


This'll be the clincher £19.20 on Amazon now!   ;D



Basically, it boils down to getting a set w/ the book.........or getting the set w/ a bottle of Tullamore Dew........hum, cheers!  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 14, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
My only concern is that the Amazon set does include the DVD.  The picture includes the DVD but none of the description does...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 15, 2013, 12:11:46 AM

My only concern is that the Amazon set does include the DVD.  The picture includes the DVD but none of the description does...


seconddisc.com seems to suggest that the DVD will be present and correct:-

"Sunshine Daydream will be available in a number of physical formats:

•Standard retail edition: contains the entire show on three HDCDs and one DVD featuring newly remixed 5.1 surround sound
•Deluxe Dead.net edition: contains the content of the standard edition with an expanded 40-page booklet and Grateful Days, a new documentary about the classic show. 12,500 copies of this edition will be available with a DVD, and another 12,500 with a Blu-Ray.
•Vinyl edition: the entire show on four LPs, limited to 5,000 copies"

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 15, 2013, 07:21:45 AM
That's good  :)  Can I borrow your 'book' sometime then, please Jules?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 16, 2013, 12:12:24 AM

That's good  :)  Can I borrow your 'book' sometime then, please Jules?


I'm still unsure as to whether or not to stick w/ Spin, to be honest.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 25, 2013, 04:39:42 PM



Had confirmation from Spin...their version *is* the GDM version...with book et al.  You pays your money, you takes your choice.  Amazon pour moi.


Now I'm torn.   :-\

Jules


This'll be the clincher £19.20 on Amazon now!   ;D




Yup. Amazon it is, especially postage free. The GDM exclusive extras seem pretty non-essential. Ordered.

While doing so came across this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Glendale-Train-Garcia-Riders-Purple/dp/B00DG1MDL4/ref=pd_bxgy_m_h__img_z

Having ordered the disc, I'm currently listening to it through their cloud feature & jolly good it is too. Not sonically top drawer, but good enough for these old ears. Yum.  

Oh, also finally picked up a DVD copy of the new Blu-Ray version of the Grateful Dead Movie 2 disc set ludicrously priced at £9.53 at; http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007JUJLBI/ref=ox_ya_os_product (but do I want a full length director's commentary, I wonder?)

One happy Deadhead here.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Mr Cat (Lewis) on September 18, 2013, 04:45:54 PM
May be of interest:

http://www.livedownloads.com/live-music/0,9825,492/Grateful-Dead-mp3-flac-download-8-27-1972-Sunshine-Daydream-Veneta-OR.html?utm_campaign=ldmailer130917&utm_medium=email&utm_source=livedownloads


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 18, 2013, 04:52:33 PM

May be of interest:

http://www.livedownloads.com/live-music/0,9825,492/Grateful-Dead-mp3-flac-download-8-27-1972-Sunshine-Daydream-Veneta-OR.html?utm_campaign=ldmailer130917&utm_medium=email&utm_source=livedownloads


Seeing the CD and DVD set is not that much more on Amazon...I'm not quite sure who is the intended market for this, but still...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 08, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
Picked up the "standard" retail version this morning for £20 - 3 CDs and 1 DVD.

Great cover art - will have to try to track down a t-shirt (or even better, a cycling jersey!)

Halfway through disc 1, and the sound quality & the band's playing are great (to my ears).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 08, 2013, 01:46:14 PM

Great cover art - will have to try to track down a t-shirt (or even better, a cycling jersey!)


I must say I thought the cover art was lousy.  It had "let's do another generic Grateful Dead sleeve" written all over it (no, not literally), to my eyes.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 08, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
I really think there is something about yellow tie-dye design that people either love or loathe.  

I think the cover's great.  It does exactly what it says on the tin.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 09, 2013, 06:23:11 PM
I do like tie dye style art, but I tend to agree with Jules.   It's not exactly Kelley/Mouse, or Rick Griffin standard, sadly!!  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 09, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
The back cover is better than the front - I'll certainly concede that..  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 09, 2013, 06:45:20 PM

The back cover is better than the front - I'll certainly concede that..  :)


I haven't seen the back cover yet David!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 17, 2013, 07:07:14 PM
Rare vinyl release anyone?   :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2013/10/17/grateful-dead-to-release-rare-all-acoustic-set-on-vinyl-for-record-store-day-s-black-friday/#.UmAm53A3sfU


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on October 20, 2013, 11:30:23 AM

Rare vinyl release anyone?   :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2013/10/17/grateful-dead-to-release-rare-all-acoustic-set-on-vinyl-for-record-store-day-s-black-friday/#.UmAm53A3sfU


I'd be interested, but I suspect the price will be prohibitive. The last Black friday rlease by the Dead was, iirc, a one disc recording of 'Dark Star', going out @ the £35-40 mark. Thanks for flagging it up, all the same.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 20, 2013, 12:03:51 PM
Its coming out on CD too.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 21, 2013, 11:24:20 AM

From: new-vinyl.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/record-store-day-black-friday-2013.html

GREATFUL DEAD (sic)  Family Dog at the Great Highway, San Francisco 4/18/70 (180g 2LP--6300 copies)
2-LP set, 180 Gram Vinyl
Lacquers cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman
Never-before-heard complete 80 minute acoustic set
Includes sought-after GD songs (New Speedway Boogie, Friend Of The Devil, Cumberland Blues,) Covers (Mama Tried, Wake Up Little Susie, Me and My Uncle,) and Traditionals (Don't Ease Me In, Deep Elem Blues, I Know You Rider)
Last 6 tracks are Pigpen solo acoustic guitar and vocal
Tapes recently discovered by Mountain Girl in Jerry's personal collection
Incognito Grateful Dead show originally billed as Mickey Hart and His Heartbeats and Bobby Ace and His Cards from the Bottom of the Deck

Yum.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 21, 2013, 06:50:23 PM


From: new-vinyl.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/record-store-day-black-friday-2013.html

GREATFUL DEAD (sic)  Family Dog at the Great Highway, San Francisco 4/18/70 (180g 2LP--6300 copies)
2-LP set, 180 Gram Vinyl
Lacquers cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman
Never-before-heard complete 80 minute acoustic set
Includes sought-after GD songs (New Speedway Boogie, Friend Of The Devil, Cumberland Blues,) Covers (Mama Tried, Wake Up Little Susie, Me and My Uncle,) and Traditionals (Don't Ease Me In, Deep Elem Blues, I Know You Rider)
Last 6 tracks are Pigpen solo acoustic guitar and vocal
Tapes recently discovered by Mountain Girl in Jerry's personal collection
Incognito Grateful Dead show originally billed as Mickey Hart and His Heartbeats and Bobby Ace and His Cards from the Bottom of the Deck

Yum.  :)

Ian, I see it features 2 of my favourite Dead songs, - 'Covers' and 'Traditionals' !!!   ::) ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2013, 07:14:28 AM
30 Days of Dead downloads are back http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead?eml=dead%2F110113%2Ftxt


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 01, 2013, 09:47:38 AM

30 Days of Dead downloads are back http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead?eml=dead%2F110113%2Ftxt


Just about to post this myself as ive just read my email


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2013, 10:18:04 AM

30 Days of Dead downloads are back http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead?eml=dead%2F110113%2Ftxt


Thanks, David.

[reminds self that hasn't listened to last year's yet!]

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 04, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
More new about what Phil means when he says he's hanging up his touring boots.  Glad to know he'll still be playing a lot more dates than many artists who still tour do  :)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/arts/music/phil-lesh-a-grateful-dead-founder-strikes-promotion-deal.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 06, 2013, 08:17:26 PM
Cowgirl in the Sand  :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNpS8V5oFw&feature=share

Freebird is out there as well if you're feeling brave!  

The Weight from Halloween is rather special...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 06, 2013, 09:57:39 PM

Cowgirl in the Sand  :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNpS8V5oFw&feature=share


Sounds great!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on November 06, 2013, 11:09:17 PM
Have you guys seen this? Animated Jerry Garcia interview (as in cartoons, although he is fairly animated).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gyC0oEjfhH8


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 07, 2013, 06:39:56 PM

Have you guys seen this? Animated Jerry Garcia interview (as in cartoons, although he is fairly animated).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gyC0oEjfhH8


Cheers Sam, I really liked the way that was animated/presented.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 22, 2013, 08:55:10 PM
Deadheads...check out the second picture here... http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/11/22/pictures-baby-brown-bears-dance-forest-finland/  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 22, 2013, 11:36:41 PM

Deadheads...check out the second picture here... http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/11/22/pictures-baby-brown-bears-dance-forest-finland/  :)

Life imitating art?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 23, 2013, 07:15:09 PM

Deadheads...check out the second picture here... http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/11/22/pictures-baby-brown-bears-dance-forest-finland/  :)


Brilliant David!!   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on December 19, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Just got around to burning & listening to this year's "30 Days of Dead" & what I've heard so far it's another excellent & eclectic selection.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 10, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
Ratdog reverting to a previous name.

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/02/10/ratdog-may-change-their-name/#.Uvkh22J_vcw

I don't care what he calls the band, so long as they pay the UK a visit!    


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM

Ratdog reverting to a previous name.

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/02/10/ratdog-may-change-their-name/#.Uvkh22J_vcw

I don't care what he calls the band, so long as they pay the UK a visit!    


Unlikely...they lost a load on their last (and only) previous two attempts in 2002/3.  But, I certainly hope I'm wrong.

I like Kimock (a great deal) but Ratdog (to me) was always Mark Karan.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 11, 2014, 06:46:29 PM


Ratdog reverting to a previous name.

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/02/10/ratdog-may-change-their-name/#.Uvkh22J_vcw

I don't care what he calls the band, so long as they pay the UK a visit!    


Unlikely...they lost a load on their last (and only) previous two attempts in 2002/3.  But, I certainly hope I'm wrong.

I like Kimock (a great deal) but Ratdog (to me) was always Mark Karan.


Yeah I think I prefer Karan tbh.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2014, 12:00:55 PM
Grateful Dead was one of the specialist subjects on Mastermind this week.  The contestant scored 12 points on them.  I managed 11.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 24, 2014, 01:36:24 PM

Grateful Dead was one of the specialist subjects on Mastermind this week.  The contestant scored 12 points on them.  I managed 11.

Jules


Well done, I couldn't recall Mickey Hart's dad's name, or the label that released their first single. Although, I did rather better than the contestant on his general knowledge questions.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 24, 2014, 01:39:05 PM

Well done, I couldn't recall Mickey Hart's dad's name, or the label that released their first single. Although, I did rather better than the contestant on his general knowledge questions.  :)


I remembered Lenny Hart, but not Scorpio.  I didn't get any Dead questions right that the contestant didn't.  I didn't stay tuned for the general knowledge.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 03, 2014, 02:05:40 PM
Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows

ps 10am GMT (or BST)...?  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on April 03, 2014, 02:13:06 PM

Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows


Well spotted, David.  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 03, 2014, 02:33:36 PM


Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows


Well spotted, David.  :)




Hasn't done me much good, mind.  My leave calendar is belly laughing at me...precisely no chance of time off then  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on May 22, 2014, 12:37:52 AM
This just in:  http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121723/Grateful-Dead-Europe-1972-Performance-Coming-To-Theaters


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 22, 2014, 05:36:08 PM

This just in:  http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121723/Grateful-Dead-Europe-1972-Performance-Coming-To-Theaters


Nice. Thanks for the pointer. If it's getting a cinema airing, can an official DVD release be far behind?

It would be even better if an official release of the 17th April Copenhagen full show broadcast were to surface.   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on May 27, 2014, 03:44:07 AM

It would be even better if an official release of the 17th April Copenhagen full show broadcast were to surface.   :)


Well, there are some, ahem, other available versions that are pretty good quality.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 27, 2014, 07:40:24 AM


It would be even better if an official release of the 17th April Copenhagen full show broadcast were to surface.   :)


Well, there are some, ahem, other available versions that are pretty good quality.


No need for 'throat clearing' with the Grateful Dead.....  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 27, 2014, 01:28:27 PM


It would be even better if an official release of the 17th April Copenhagen full show broadcast were to surface.   :)


Well, there are some, ahem, other available versions that are pretty good quality.


So I believe, but alas, I can't download video  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: vanessa on June 02, 2014, 12:59:32 PM

Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows

ps 10am GMT (or BST)...?  ;) :)


Tickets purchased!

Anyone know who is in the Terrapin Family Band at the moment or does it continually change?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 02, 2014, 01:26:17 PM


Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows

ps 10am GMT (or BST)...?  ;) :)


Tickets purchased!

Anyone know who is in the Terrapin Family Band at the moment or does it continually change?



Ish http://www.jambase.com/Artists/99879/The-Terrapin-Family-Band/Bio


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 02, 2014, 02:16:19 PM


Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows

ps 10am GMT (or BST)...?  ;) :)


Tickets purchased!

Anyone know who is in the Terrapin Family Band at the moment or does it continually change?



I do hope Phil's coming!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 02, 2014, 05:03:51 PM



Whoop whoop  :)

http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/04/03/phil-lesh-the-terrapin-family-band-announce-brooklyn-bowl-london-shows

ps 10am GMT (or BST)...?  ;) :)


Tickets purchased!

Anyone know who is in the Terrapin Family Band at the moment or does it continually change?



I do hope Phil's coming!  :)



Aye, he is...its billed as "PL & tTFB"...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 03, 2014, 08:53:35 AM


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Aye, he is...its billed as "PL & tTFB"...
[/quote]

Alas, not a given with these geriatric rockers.  I was just thinking of the Starship tour this year when Kantner couldn't make it due to being under the knife. :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 03, 2014, 09:45:53 AM





Aye, he is...its billed as "PL & tTFB"...
[/quote]

Alas, not a given with these geriatric rockers.  I was just thinking of the Starship tour this year when Kantner couldn't make it due to being under the knife. :)
[/quote]

Of course he might get ill or something like that, but in that case I very much doubt the gig would go ahead.  tTFB is not Starship which is a group entity in itself, although I thought Starship touring without Kantner was pretty unforgiveable actually....  This is a Phil Lesh gig featuring tTFB.  It's a different thing.  They do plenty of (billed as tTFB) gigs without Phil...this isn't one of them.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on June 18, 2014, 03:53:50 PM
Another essential release ;)

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 18, 2014, 04:01:37 PM

Another essential release ;)

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505


What a load of *%^)*$&+£!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: bassline (Mike) on June 18, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
examining the divide between audience expectation and performance anxiety.

uh huh.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on June 19, 2014, 03:14:43 AM
I absolutely love someone did this  ;D ;D I managed ten minutes.

Neil


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 19, 2014, 12:26:53 PM
I love the fact this exists.  You lasted about 7 more than I did, mind!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 10, 2014, 12:37:09 PM

Another essential release ;)

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-12-31_505


In the spirit of Infrared Roses & Greyfolded, this might not find sympathy with many, but it is, nonetheless, great fun & I enjoyed it greatly.

Perhaps a bit more mainstream, this has popped up on Amazon, an upcoming release from the middle show of a 3 night run at The Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, NY in March 1990.

Anyone familiar with the 1990 live compilation "Without A Net" will recall the splendid 16+ minute version of "Eyes of the World", featuring saxophonist Bransford Marsalis. This is the whole show with Marsalis playing on "Bird Song" in the first set & on the whole of the second.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wake-Up-To-Find-Out/dp/B00LNT6E2U/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music

The extra dimension added by BM makes this a standout show from a very good run only a short time before Brent Mydland's untimely demise & features the band in fine condition, at least musically.

Purchase with confidence!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 10, 2014, 05:53:27 PM
Or you could save up for this instead... http://www.dead.net/store/1990s/spring-1990-other-one-box

which is FAR too much 90's Dead for my taste, mind... (even though that was the only year I saw them).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 11, 2014, 01:19:54 PM

Or you could save up for this instead... http://www.dead.net/store/1990s/spring-1990-other-one-box

which is FAR too much 90's Dead for my taste, mind... (even though that was the only year I saw them).


Arf.

Ought to have, but didn't, see that coming!  :)

OK, so the Marsalis show is pretty special, but it looks like it'll be the same godawful style artwork, plus more rubbish replica "souvenirs" & an extra inflated price for the Royal Mail & HMRC cut, think I'll wait for the download.

Given the choice I'd have avoided more 90's shows, but would have been happier with some of the Autumn Euro tour with Bruce Hornsby & Vince Welnick, rather than milking the Spring tour dry.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 11, 2014, 01:43:15 PM
There's more than enough superb audience recordings of all those shows around on Archive to satisfy me....if one needs it, that's all one needs (imho).....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on July 19, 2014, 12:46:23 PM
Went to this the other night.  Very enjoyable, if you get a chance to watch it sometime it's quite worth it.  http://www.dead.net/features/73174/4th-annual-grateful-dead-meet-movies-beat-club-42172


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 02, 2014, 04:45:13 PM
Beautiful...Ryan covers Wharf Rat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4TrOK1L8xQ


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 11, 2014, 08:28:24 PM
Rather concerning news from Bob.  http://www.ratdoglive.com/

Lots of rumours flying around.  The semi-official line is a 'shoulder injury'.  Don't know why, but I'm unconvinced.  Hope all is well anyway....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on August 13, 2014, 01:46:58 AM
Even before the two recent box sets, 1989 and 1990 were well represented in live releases.  So it is a little curious that they decided to release two massive boxes from those tours.  That being said, they are considered among the best of the latter days tours.  I think I'm just going to stick with the Bransford Marsalis release.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 31, 2014, 09:58:53 AM
We are everywhere  ;D  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2736326/Skull-king-Victoria-Beckham-wears-Grateful-Dead-T-shirt-leopard-print-boots-heads-London.html

(The Beckham's have form on this...I seem to recall David being photographed in a Crass shirt before).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 30, 2014, 06:57:02 AM
24 years on...my first (and penultimate!) slice of live Dead https://archive.org/details/gd90-10-30.dsbd.barbella.6678.sbeok.shnf


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 08, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
Needless to say, they're doing the November 30 Days Of The Dead thing again this year over at http://www.dead.net

I've had no luck downloading yesterday's (7 Nov) version of Candyman though.  Anyone else had the same problem?  I've tried both IE and Firefox, and nada.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeB (Mike) on November 08, 2014, 10:39:29 PM

Needless to say, they're doing the November 30 Days Of The Dead thing again this year over at http://www.dead.net

I've had no luck downloading yesterday's (7 Nov) version of Candyman though.  Anyone else had the same problem?  I've tried both IE and Firefox, and nada.

Jules


Doesn't work here either. Looks like their Javascript downloader can't find the file on the server to start the transfer. However, the link was available in the html source (as it is used to start the on-page mp3 player).

Jules: You can right-click and "save as" this link: http://rhino.edgeboss.net/download/rhino/gdead/30days/2014/day7_5p6ywcl_candyman.mp3


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 08, 2014, 11:01:43 PM

However, the link was available in the html source (as it is used to start the on-page mp3 player).

Jules: You can right-click and "save as" this link: http://rhino.edgeboss.net/download/rhino/gdead/30days/2014/day7_5p6ywcl_candyman.mp3


I have no idea what you meant by what you said up there, and I have no idea what you did, but I salute you and now worship you as some sort of warlock deity.   ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on November 10, 2014, 09:41:05 PM


Needless to say, they're doing the November 30 Days Of The Dead thing again this year over at http://www.dead.net

I've had no luck downloading yesterday's (7 Nov) version of Candyman though.  Anyone else had the same problem?  I've tried both IE and Firefox, and nada.

Jules


Doesn't work here either. Looks like their Javascript downloader can't find the file on the server to start the transfer. However, the link was available in the html source (as it is used to start the on-page mp3 player).

Jules: You can right-click and "save as" this link: http://rhino.edgeboss.net/download/rhino/gdead/30days/2014/day7_5p6ywcl_candyman.mp3

thanks for the link Mike, i couldnt get the damned thing either


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 01, 2014, 03:15:24 PM
For those (like me) who are too lazy to do the 30 Days of the Dead thing...here's a link to all the 2014 downloads as one (650 mb) zip file.

www.gratefuldead.tk/30days2014/30days2014_complete_vp6iymd.zip


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 01, 2014, 04:34:57 PM

For those (like me) who are too lazy to do the 30 Days of the Dead thing...here's a link to all the 2014 downloads as one (650 mb) zip file.

www.gratefuldead.tk/30days2014/30days2014_complete_vp6iymd.zip



And there's a version on Lossless Legs with all of the dates/venue information etc on the tags which is even better...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 01, 2014, 05:14:40 PM

And there's a version on Lossless Legs with all of the dates/venue information etc on the tags which is even better...


Bah!  I've been typing all that stuff in manually every day this past month!   >:(   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 03, 2014, 06:26:46 PM
For the Grateful Dead fan who must have everything... http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Memorabilia/jerry-garcia-5865108-details.aspx


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 03, 2014, 07:34:07 PM

For the Grateful Dead fan who must have everything... http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Memorabilia/jerry-garcia-5865108-details.aspx


Hmmm....it's certainly seen better days.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 11, 2014, 09:18:50 PM
This is nice...From Jerry Garcia's 70th birthday celebration at Bob Weir's TRI Studios featuring Bob Weir, Neal Casal, Mike Gordon, Joe Russo, Donna Jean Godchaux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECTz8uMm7dY


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on December 23, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
A Dead Giveaway


Earlier this year I had occasion to burn a few shows for someone looking for an introduction to the Dead's live oeuvre.

While doing so, for some reason unclear to me now, I burned two copies of each show & the second set are just sitting on the shelf taking up space.

As it's the season to be jolly & all that, I'm happy to offer these extra shows to anyone interested, no catch, no cost, just allowing me the buzz of sharing music from a band that has given me such pleasure for the last 45 odd years. 

To make it a bit fairer, in the unlikely event of there being multiple responses, I'll wait a couple of days & draw a name on 25th. Please PM me off list.

Here's the skinny on what's available. (Some shows were given a limited official release, but all are now out of print) These were chosen as being fairly representative of my own taste, but every Deadhead, I suspect, would make different choices

1) Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, Ca. 18th November 1966 (Cream Puff War boot)

An old school boot transferred to a single CD. Not to everyone's taste, but I love the sparkling energy of this early recording. This show is almost complete, only missing Dancing In The Streets.

2) The Mosque, Richmond, Va. 25th May 1977 (Dave's Picks Vol 1) x 3CD

There are so many good shows from this tour it was a fairly random choice based on a set list containing lots of personal favourites.

3) Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Ct. 14th October 1983 (Dick's Picks Vol 6) x 3CD
To my ears, much 80s stuff is not as engaging as other periods, but this show has a sprinkling of newer material & a terrific 2nd disc.

4) Capitol Theatre, Port Chester, NY. 18th February 1971 (This Had Better Be Good boot) 2CD

Another good, old fashioned bootleg, not an official release. This is a bit special as it contains the first outings of Bertha, Greatest Story Ever Told, Johnny B. Goode, Loser, Playin' & Wharf Rat. The following night is probably better known as it was released as “Three From The Vault”.

5) Ohio Theatre, Columbus Oh, 31st October 1971 (Dick's Picks Vol 2) x1CD

Thought another Dark Star was in order. This is a great rendering from a curiously truncated Dick's Picks

6) Great American Music Hall, San Francisco, Ca. 13th August 1975 x2CD

Classic show, originally broadcast on FM & widely bootlegged in shortened form. This is the full concert showcasing the then still unreleased Blues For Allah material, a lot of which , although performed here, did not survive into the repertoire long term. Nice quality, great performance & released as One From The Vault

As Bill Graham said (approximately): "The Dead ain't the best at what they do, they're the only ones who do what they do"

Season's Greetings one & all.  :)




Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 16, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
One last time... http://www.dead.net/50?intcmp=home/carousel1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 16, 2015, 03:30:48 PM

One last time... http://www.dead.net/50?intcmp=home/carousel1


I'm actually quite moved.

So, who's going?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 16, 2015, 03:36:01 PM


One last time... http://www.dead.net/50?intcmp=home/carousel1


I'm actually quite moved.

So, who's going?

Jules


I've never been a huge fan of The Other Ones/The Dead...preferring their individual (P&F/Ratdog) bands.  Personally I've rather fallen out of love with the Rhythm Devils approach to percussion.  Less is so often more.  But, yeah, it will be moving... Well, I'm up for it, anyway.  Bank account details available if anyone can help out....  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on January 17, 2015, 05:32:09 PM
Hmm, I'd be very tempted if finances permitted... I need to re-read the ticket/ballot instructions carefully.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on January 17, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
... which I did; and even if I could afford to go, the chances of getting a ticket this side of the pond would be slim, and as it's 4th July, hotels would be at a premium, etc etc.  ::)

I guess the gigs will be recorded (well, they WILL be taped!) for an official release, maybe a (documentary?) DVD.  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 21, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
A really lovely cover (arguably an improvement?) of a really rather minor Garcia/Hunter song from Shakedown Street by the wonderful Gruff Rhys

http://www.avclub.com/video/gruff-rhys-covers-if-i-had-world-give-213042

Well, I like it, anyway  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2015, 09:32:01 PM
New 2 disc overview of the Dead's studio work due for release:-

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/01/21/unbroken-chain-rhino-celebrates-50-years-of-grateful-dead-with-new-2-cd-anthology/

At first it looks promising, but 3 tracks each from Shakedown Street, In The Dark and Built To Last versus only 1 song from Wake Of The Flood and Blues For Allah seems all wrong.  Indeed, we've reached the Terrapin Station album by the end of the first disc.  That's out of whack, in my book.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 21, 2015, 09:38:20 PM

New 2 disc overview of the Dead's studio work due for release:-

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/01/21/unbroken-chain-rhino-celebrates-50-years-of-grateful-dead-with-new-2-cd-anthology/

At first it looks promising, but 3 tracks each from Shakedown Street, In The Dark and Built To Last versus only 1 song from Wake Of The Flood and Blues For Allah seems all wrong.  Indeed, we've reached the Terrapin Station album by the end of the first disc.  That's out of whack, in my book.

Jules


An impossible task.  Why bother? (Although actually, on looking at the tracklisting, I think that looks quite a good stab at compiling a song based studio compilation...)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 21, 2015, 09:41:08 PM

An impossible task.  Why bother? (Although actually, on looking at the tracklisting, I think that looks quite a good stab at compiling a song based compilation...)


Well, up to a point, which brings me back to the points I made re song selection.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on January 22, 2015, 02:51:49 AM
I'm with you, Jules.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 22, 2015, 12:03:15 PM


One last time... http://www.dead.net/50?intcmp=home/carousel1


I'm actually quite moved.

So, who's going?

Jules


Last time I booked tickets to see the Dead, for Madison Square Gardens in September '95, Jerry pegged it. Don't think I'll tempt providence & will wait for the DVD.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on January 22, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
 :)

But to be serious (if not downright morbid), that's becoming an increasing risk as the heroes/favourites of our younger selves tot up the years.  :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 22, 2015, 01:55:06 PM
There doesn't seem to be a week goes by now without one of Neil Young's old bandmates passing on.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2015, 08:12:20 PM


And there's a version on Lossless Legs with all of the dates/venue information etc on the tags which is even better...


Bah!  I've been typing all that stuff in manually every day this past month!   >:(   ::)

Jules


Don't feel too badly, I was doing the same!  It became my morning ritual during November: download, retype name of song, and take a couple sips of coffee.  In years past, I'd spend a day around Christmas downloading them all the manually retyping them.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Didn't they release a "Best of" recently?  

Just looked it up - The Very Best of the Grateful Dead.

-"Truckin'" (Garcia, Hunter, Lesh, Weir) – 5:08
        Originally released on the 1970 album American Beauty.
-"Touch of Grey" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:50
        Originally released on the 1987 album In the Dark.
-"Sugar Magnolia" (Hunter, Weir) – 3:19
        Originally released on the 1970 album American Beauty.
-"Casey Jones" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:28
        Originally released on the 1970 album Workingman's Dead.
-"Uncle John's Band" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:46
        Originally released on the 1970 album Workingman's Dead.
-"Friend of the Devil" (Dawson, Garcia, Hunter) – 3:24
        Originally released on the 1970 album American Beauty.
-"Franklin's Tower" (Garcia, Hunter, Kreutzmann) – 4:33
        Originally released on the 1975 album Blues for Allah.
-"Estimated Prophet" (Barlow, Weir) – 5:38
        Originally released on the 1977 album Terrapin Station.
-"Eyes of the World" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:20
        Originally released on the 1973 album Wake of the Flood.
-"Box of Rain" (Hunter, Lesh) – 5:20
        Originally released on the 1970 album American Beauty.
-"U.S. Blues" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:40
        Originally released on the 1974 album From the Mars Hotel.
-"The Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion)" (Garcia) – 2:12
        Originally released on the 1967 album The Grateful Dead.
-"One More Saturday Night" (Weir) – 4:50
        Originally released on the 1972 live album Europe '72.
-"Fire on the Mountain" (Hart, Hunter) – 3:48
        Originally released on the 1978 album Shakedown Street.
-"The Music Never Stopped" (Barlow, Weir) – 4:35
        Originally released on the 1975 album Blues for Allah.
-"Hell in a Bucket" (Barlow, Weir) – 5:38
        Originally released on the 1987 album In the Dark.
-"Ripple" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:10
        Originally released on the 1970 album American Beauty.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 27, 2015, 08:52:40 PM

Didn't they release a "Best of" recently?  


50th anniversary year though, isn't it?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on February 14, 2015, 12:30:50 PM


Didn't they release a "Best of" recently?  


50th anniversary year though, isn't it?

Jules


True, so very true...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on February 14, 2015, 12:43:47 PM



Didn't they release a "Best of" recently?  


50th anniversary year though, isn't it?

Jules


True, so very true...


That's the thing about anniversaries, they keep coming round.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 28, 2015, 07:22:36 PM
Billy in London..http://www.glidemagazine.com/130653/bill-kreutzmann-release-groundbreaking-memoir-announces-billy-kids-shows-special-guests/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 03, 2015, 06:34:00 AM
$116k? Inevitable, maybe, but I don't think I'll bother.  :)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6487516/grateful-deads-fare-thee-well-tickets-offered-for-116000-on-secondary


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 03, 2015, 07:17:12 AM

$116k? Inevitable, maybe, but I don't think I'll bother.  :)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6487516/grateful-deads-fare-thee-well-tickets-offered-for-116000-on-secondary


It's quite enjoyable how bitter and twisted some of the unlucky fans have become.  The band couldn't win.  They couldn't lose.  They got it about right, I'm guessing...

I have one American Deadhead friend who got tickets for all 3 shows.  That's the only person I know who was successful.  She's happy.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 05, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
Another gig http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grateful-dead-members-more-booked-for-jerry-garcia-tribute-show-20150305


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on March 06, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Another gig http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grateful-dead-members-more-booked-for-jerry-garcia-tribute-show-20150305


That's cool.  And, it is local for me, in the Washington, D.C. area.  I'm not a huge fan of festivals, but depending on ticket prices, I think this one might be worthwhile.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 06, 2015, 11:16:36 AM


Another gig http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grateful-dead-members-more-booked-for-jerry-garcia-tribute-show-20150305


That's cool.  And, it is local for me, in the Washington, D.C. area.  I'm not a huge fan of festivals, but depending on ticket prices, I think this one might be worthwhile.  


Unless there's an all-star jam at the end (likely, I'd have thought) I don't think the 'core 4' will be playing together but still...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 06, 2015, 11:19:14 AM

Unless there's an all-star jam at the end (likely, I'd have thought) I don't think the 'core 4' will be playing together but still...


I was wondering about that.  And there will sure be a lot of disappointment if they don't.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 29, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Recently I've had couple of recommendations from Amazon regarding some archive releases that might be of interest to some.

The full set from a 1972 W-KSAN broadcast from Pacific High Recorders, San Francisco, of Garcia + Merle Saunders, John Khan & Billy Kreutzman. This makes a nice companion to the "Keystone" releases from the same period.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00T51RZT4/ref=dm_rogue_cd

Plus a more expansive & apparently complete New Riders show from the Felt Forum, NYC, in 1973. also an FM broadcast. With 38 songs over3 discs with various Dead bods, inc Garcia & Weir. popping up now & again, there's not too much (or not enough) noodling.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Felt-Forum-NYC-3cd-set/dp/B00THMKVYM/ref=pd_sim_m_h__2?ie=UTF8&refRID=08HN6YF72N1V9CWSG4GJ

After a brief rummage in the vaults (cellar), the relevant cassettes have been located & revisited, both items are a real delight. Neither are essential listening, but assuming the new releases have been cleaned up to good standard, I'd recommend them to anyone who's committed enough to read this far. A most enjoyable afternoon's listening & good to give the old Nakamichi an airing.  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on March 29, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
Forgive me if the answer to my query has already been posted in this thread (51 pages is a lot to look through!)

I very much prefer the more acoustic Dead to the interminable jamming one. I love the American Beauty and Workingman's Dead albums, but my absolute favourite is the live album "Reckoning"
I know the Dead have made many live albums (such as the Dick's Picks series), but could anyone recommend any that are in a similar vein to Reckoning?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 29, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

I know the Dead have made many live albums (such as the Dick's Picks series), but could anyone recommend any that are in a similar vein to Reckoning?


Dick's Picks vol 8 includes both acoustic and electric sets from a 1970 gig and has long been a fan favourite.

Or you could pick up the Dead Ahead DVD of the 1980 shows from which Reckoning was compiled.

Also, starting on this page you can find the Warfield and Radio City shows if you want to stream the acoustic sets from which Reckoning was gleaned:

http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead%20AND%20year%3A%221980%22&page=3

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on March 29, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Thanks Jules, I'll check them out.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on April 02, 2015, 12:02:52 AM
There's also "Bear's Choice" which is from the same time period as Workingman's Dead and has one whole acoustic side.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on April 25, 2015, 08:35:01 PM
This just in ... http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/04/grateful-dead-planning-full-fledged-reunion-tour-with-john-mayer/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 25, 2015, 09:23:22 PM

This just in ... http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/04/grateful-dead-planning-full-fledged-reunion-tour-with-john-mayer/


Hmmm... mixed messages there.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 26, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
The words 'p1ss up' and 'brewery' do rather spring to mind...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 27, 2015, 06:50:30 PM
Don't know if anyone has been following the problems Shindig mag has been having (effectively their own mag has been stolen by the publishers and reissued as Kaleidoscope featuring Shindig) but here is the cover of the next issue of Shindig which may or may not find itself onto the high street in the near future  :)

[Photo over 400 days old. Removed by Admin.]


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 27, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
So there might be two different Shindig magazines on the shelf?   :o

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on April 28, 2015, 07:52:01 AM

So there might be two different Shindig magazines on the shelf?   :o

Jules


There's 'Kaleidoscope featuring Shindig' on the shelf this month although I think they'll drop the Shindig bit from next.  If you liked Shindig then make sure you buy Shindig....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on April 28, 2015, 11:11:11 AM


So there might be two different Shindig magazines on the shelf?   :o

Jules


There's 'Kaleidoscope featuring Shindig' on the shelf this month although I think they'll drop the Shindig bit from next.  If you liked Shindig then make sure you buy Shindig....


I saw the Kaleidoscope/Shindig mag the other day, and was interested as it featured Sandy Denny. So it's a bastard form??


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on April 28, 2015, 11:51:07 AM

I saw the Kaleidoscope/Shindig mag the other day, and was interested as it featured Sandy Denny. So it's a bastard form??


Well it's at very least a co-opted affair done without the original magazine's blessing.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on April 29, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
Anyone got the GD Movie on DVD (or Blu-Ray)?  I have the soundtrack CD box, but not (yet?) the film. Reviews seems to agree that the music is great, but not the visuals - opinions are divided on the animations... looks OK to me from clips I've seen, but I'd like to hear it in 5.1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on April 30, 2015, 09:07:35 AM


I saw the Kaleidoscope/Shindig mag the other day, and was interested as it featured Sandy Denny. So it's a bastard form??


Well it's at very least a co-opted affair done without the original magazine's blessing.

Jules


I had a glance @ it and it looks quite good. May break my no-mags rule and get it. The thing is, £5 can get you a CD these days, if you look around, (as we all know) . . .


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on May 07, 2015, 10:11:19 AM

Anyone got the GD Movie on DVD (or Blu-Ray)?  I have the soundtrack CD box, but not (yet?) the film. Reviews seems to agree that the music is great, but not the visuals - opinions are divided on the animations... looks OK to me from clips I've seen, but I'd like to hear it in 5.1


I bought the two DVD set that was released in 2004.  I didn't realize that it had been released on BluRay until just now.  Looks like the sound and picture were cleaned up even further from the DVD, plus has extra songs.

As for the DVD, the sound and picture are much improved from the VHS that was released in the early 1980's.  I just remember them being both very muddy.  As far as a review of the actual content of the movie itself, I've always been underwhelmed by "The Grateful Dead Movie."  Part of my issue is that it is not a straight up concert movie; it cuts to interviews with fans in line, backstage stuff, etc., sometimes in the middle of songs.  So you'll be enjoying a song, and they'll cut to something else.  Or, they'll cut to a song partway into the performance.

The animations are kind of cool, but also a little dated.  But also very Grateful Dead.  I got the soundtrack box at the same time as the movie, and I think I've only watched the movie once, and I don't know if I've ever watched all of the second bonus DVD.  But the CD's I've listened to a lot; 1973 and 1974 is my favorite period of the band.    

My thought is, if you want to see it for the music, stick to the CD's.  Though, it does sound good in 5.1.  If you can get it at a good price used, or borrow a copy, or rent it, that might be the best option.  I think it is worth seeing once if you're a Dead fan, but not really something that really warrants repeated viewings.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 07, 2015, 11:20:57 PM
Thanks, my favourite period too... I'll keep my eyes peeled for a cheap copy!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 11, 2015, 09:14:02 AM



I saw the Kaleidoscope/Shindig mag the other day, and was interested as it featured Sandy Denny. So it's a bastard form??


Well it's at very least a co-opted affair done without the original magazine's blessing.

Jules


I had a glance @ it and it looks quite good. May break my no-mags rule and get it. The thing is, £5 can get you a CD these days, if you look around, (as we all know) . . .


Bit off topic in a way, but here's an article on the Shindig story http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/10/shindig-magazine-music-publishing-deal


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on May 11, 2015, 09:20:38 AM




I saw the Kaleidoscope/Shindig mag the other day, and was interested as it featured Sandy Denny. So it's a bastard form??


Well it's at very least a co-opted affair done without the original magazine's blessing.

Jules


I had a glance @ it and it looks quite good. May break my no-mags rule and get it. The thing is, £5 can get you a CD these days, if you look around, (as we all know) . . .


Bit off topic in a way, but here's an article on the Shindig story http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/10/shindig-magazine-music-publishing-deal


Ah, ve-ery interesting.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 11, 2015, 10:57:43 AM

Thanks, my favourite period too... I'll keep my eyes peeled for a cheap copy!


While I agree with most of Jonathan's assessment, I'd say the second 95 minute disc of bonus material is really worth having & to me is all the  more enjoyable because of the lack of interruption. The performances are great & watching the band in full flow, especially on "China / Rider" is a pure joy & bears repeated watching

Purchase with confidence. Just a pity we couldn't have a full film of the soundtrack CD.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 12, 2015, 03:58:43 PM
Thanks Ian  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 14, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Where you gonna watch it then?

http://www.cinemalive.com/index.php?p=view&id=164


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 14, 2015, 04:49:26 PM

Where you gonna watch it then?

http://www.cinemalive.com/index.php?p=view&id=164


Well spotted, David. Spoiled for choice.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 14, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
Thanks David! Gloucester Guildhall for me.  8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 14, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
I suspect the chances of hundred of Deadheads marching on Cheshire Oaks is unlikely...  ;)

I'm probably going to either go and see it with some Deadhead mates (York possibly) or head into Manchester or Liverpool where there is at least the chance of double figures.  

Seems bizarre to me...I just can't see an audience turning out for this.  Most of the showings will be empty.  Nice though.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 14, 2015, 05:15:37 PM

I suspect the chances of hundred of Deadheads marching on Cheshire Oaks is unlikely...  ;)

I'm probably going to either go and see it with some Deadhead mates (York possibly) or head into Manchester or Liverpool where there is at least the chance of double figures.  

Seems bizarre to me...I just can't see an audience turning out for this.  Most of the showings will be empty.  Nice though.


Yeah, that was my thought too, especially on a Monday..

Gloucester, Worcester or Monmouth, for me, depending on which venue is the least uncomfortable, don't fancy 4 hours in a cinema seat. Nice that it's been time-shifted for us to a reasonable hour.  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 14, 2015, 05:54:43 PM

Thanks David! Gloucester Guildhall for me.  8)


I may be joining you.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 15, 2015, 08:12:45 AM
The Regal in Evesham has really posh seats. That could sway it for my aching bones...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on May 15, 2015, 05:12:49 PM
Yesterday, down the road a piece ... (I didn't make it, though)
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125076/All-Star-Cast-Honors-Jerry-Garcia-At-Dear-Jerry-Concert


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 15, 2015, 05:30:33 PM

Yesterday, down the road a piece ... (I didn't make it, though)
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125076/All-Star-Cast-Honors-Jerry-Garcia-At-Dear-Jerry-Concert


Love the Jimmy Cliff "Harder They Come".  Looks like it should make a fine DVD.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 16, 2015, 05:41:39 PM
Re: Shindig mag: http://www.shindig-magazine.com/?p=321


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on May 16, 2015, 06:11:22 PM
Apparently there's a Newsweek Grateful Dead special magazine that will be available worldwide.  Looks good.  I had a quick hunt for it today, but no sign yet.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 16, 2015, 06:12:45 PM

Apparently there's a Newsweek Grateful Dead special magazine that will be available worldwide.  Looks good.  I had a quick hunt for it today, but no sign yet.

Jules


yeah, available on Amazon.com I think...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 18, 2015, 02:47:48 PM
Got my ticket for the cinema screening on 6th July (Gloucester Guildhall, 6.15pm) - chap at the box office said there's been quite a bit of interest from the general Glos/Chelt/Ciren area...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: RobertD on May 18, 2015, 02:48:12 PM
Thought this article from the NY Times over the weekend might be of interest to you Dead fans-

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/fashion/jets-and-the-ritz-carlton-replace-the-vw-bus-for-grateful-dead-fans.html?_r=0


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on May 18, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
Depressingly so...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 28, 2015, 12:18:13 PM

Got my ticket for the cinema screening on 6th July (Gloucester Guildhall, 6.15pm) - chap at the box office said there's been quite a bit of interest from the general Glos/Chelt/Ciren area...


Can't decide whether to go to the Vue in Worcester, Gloucester Guildhall, or the Savoy Theatre in Monmouth. Although I'd prefer to use an independent venue, The Vue is supposed to be very comfy, I don't know the other two. Four hours is a long time so any idea what they may be like for creaky old bones?  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on May 28, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Ian - I've never been into the cinema part of the Guildhall - the main concert room is usually standing only for (rock) gigs.  

But it appears the cinema is housed within the former council chambers...

http://venues.gloucester.gov.uk/Freetime/Guildhall/Cinema/1guildhallcinema.aspx

Looks like it might be reasonably comfy?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on May 28, 2015, 12:45:51 PM

Ian - I've never been into the cinema part of the Guildhall - the main concert room is usually standing only for (rock) gigs.  

But it appears the cinema is housed within the former council chambers...

http://venues.gloucester.gov.uk/Freetime/Guildhall/Cinema/1guildhallcinema.aspx

Looks like it might be reasonably comfy?


Thanks Paul. Love the springy Guildhall floor, perfect for Oysterband gigs! But the cinema bit looks quite intimate, with a bar & free parking. The swingometer is shifting!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 02, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
Oh ffs!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/grateful-dead-archivist-details-massive-new-80-disc-box-set-20150602


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 02, 2015, 06:05:42 PM

Oh ffs!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/grateful-dead-archivist-details-massive-new-80-disc-box-set-20150602


Arf. Beat me to the punch!   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 02, 2015, 06:56:12 PM
If you listen closely you can hear the sound of me throwing the towel in.   :'(

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: MikeA on June 02, 2015, 09:16:26 PM
Ludicrous indeed, but the Netflix biopic of Bob Weir the article cites is well worth a watch...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 03, 2015, 08:09:51 AM
Well, we have a buyer....my mate Kevin (long time UK Deadhead...spent a lot of time following them Stateside in the 80's especially.  He has Brent issues...I've even known him to willingly play compilations of his songs) clearly has more money than sense.  He's said I can come and stroke his mighty box when it arrives.  I find the whole thing rather upsetting tbh.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 03, 2015, 08:51:27 AM

I find the whole thing rather upsetting tbh.


As do I.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 03, 2015, 09:45:38 AM
I think I may have to feel satisfied enough with the 4 disc distillation.  Just seen the tracklisting and it looks tasty:-

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/06/02/not-fade-away-rhino-celebrates-live-grateful-dead-with-4-cd-and-80-cd-box-sets/

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on June 03, 2015, 02:00:02 PM

I think I may have to feel satisfied enough with the 4 disc distillation.  Just seen the tracklisting and it looks tasty:-

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/06/02/not-fade-away-rhino-celebrates-live-grateful-dead-with-4-cd-and-80-cd-box-sets/

Jules


Oh yes!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 03, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Blast. Premium Bond not come up again.   :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 03, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
In other Dead related news:  John Perry Barlow's had a heart attack... https://twitter.com/jpbarlow


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 04, 2015, 02:50:24 PM

In other Dead related news:  John Perry Barlow's had a heart attack... https://twitter.com/jpbarlow


Looks like he's out of danger, good news.  :)

Decided the expense of the big, big, box is really not justifiable. Some quick searching has found some of the shows listed so far are still available as soundboard downloads. Time to grab 'em while they're still up. I do love a little project.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 04, 2015, 02:56:17 PM


In other Dead related news:  John Perry Barlow's had a heart attack... https://twitter.com/jpbarlow


Looks like he's out of danger, good news.  :)


Maybe he'd just heard about the new box set.   ;)

Quote
Decided the expense of the big, big, box is really not justifiable. Some quick searching has found some of the shows listed so far are still available as soundboard downloads. Time to grab 'em while they're still up. I do love a little project.  :)


Now that, sir, is a bona fide excellent notion.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 04, 2015, 03:11:08 PM


In other Dead related news:  John Perry Barlow's had a heart attack... https://twitter.com/jpbarlow


Looks like he's out of danger, good news.  :)

Decided the expense of the big, big, box is really not justifiable. Some quick searching has found some of the shows listed so far are still available as soundboard downloads. Time to grab 'em while they're still up. I do love a little project.  :)


Good man.  Keep us posted.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 04, 2015, 03:44:49 PM

Good man.  Keep us posted.


Ditto!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on June 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

Ludicrous indeed, but the Netflix biopic of Bob Weir the article cites is well worth a watch...


Just watched the Weir documentary yesterday. Really very well done, found out quite a few things I didn't know.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on June 06, 2015, 03:31:10 AM

Oh ffs!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/grateful-dead-archivist-details-massive-new-80-disc-box-set-20150602


I was so tempted, and almost did it.  But I can't justify $700.  I think I'll just go with the 4 CD set and be happy.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 26, 2015, 12:18:53 AM

Arf. Once more for the pension fund.  :)

http://www.dead.net/store/2000s/fare-thee-well-complete-box-july-3-4-5-2015?eml=dn/FtwComplete-PreOrderNowOnDe-main-more-4/2015June25/2504023/6131962&etsubid=39909681


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on June 26, 2015, 10:16:44 AM


Arf. Once more for the pension fund.  :)

http://www.dead.net/store/2000s/fare-thee-well-complete-box-july-3-4-5-2015?eml=dn/FtwComplete-PreOrderNowOnDe-main-more-4/2015June25/2504023/6131962&etsubid=39909681


Fare thee well, 30 trips around the sun. The dead sure know how to bleed their fans dry.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 26, 2015, 10:41:24 AM

Fare thee well, 30 trips around the sun. The dead sure know how to bleed their fans dry.


They probably figure that most of their fans work in Silicon Valley these days.   ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy on June 26, 2015, 10:59:26 AM
Most of their fans are Dead, I'd think.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on June 28, 2015, 01:49:28 PM
This guy has uploaded videos of yesterday's show. High quality, must be from the simulcast. https://www.facebook.com/martin.singer.58511

And here's the set list. Some very old material.
  Set One
Truckin'
Uncle John's Band
Alligator
Cumberland Blues
Born Cross-Eyed
Cream Puff War
Viola Lee Blues
  Set Two
Cryptical Envelopment
Dark Star
St. Stephen
The Eleven
Turn On Your Love Light
Drums
Space
What's Become of the Baby?
Space
The Other One
Morning Dew
  Encore:
Casey Jones


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 28, 2015, 02:23:32 PM

Nice, thanks. "What's Become of the Baby"? Really? Don't think the Dead ever performed it live before.  :)





This guy has uploaded videos of yesterday's show. High quality, must be from the simulcast. https://www.facebook.com/martin.singer.58511

And here's the set list. Some very old material.
  Set One
Truckin'
Uncle John's Band
Alligator
Cumberland Blues
Born Cross-Eyed
Cream Puff War
Viola Lee Blues
  Set Two
Cryptical Envelopment
Dark Star
St. Stephen
The Eleven
Turn On Your Love Light
Drums
Space
What's Become of the Baby?
Space
The Other One
Morning Dew
  Encore:
Casey Jones


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 28, 2015, 05:36:45 PM
Who's singing the old Pigpen stuff?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 28, 2015, 07:46:50 PM
I'm amazed at what I've seen and heard so far...Trey is playing some wonderful stuff.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 28, 2015, 08:09:51 PM

I'm amazed at what I've seen and heard so far...Trey is playing some wonderful stuff.


If you're not already familiar with it, checkout the run of shows he did with Lesh at the Warfield in '97. All three nights are fab.  :)

https://archive.org/details/1999-04-15.paf.sbd.miller.25295.sbeok.flacf


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 28, 2015, 08:11:06 PM


I'm amazed at what I've seen and heard so far...Trey is playing some wonderful stuff.


If you're not already familiar with it, checkout the run of shows he did with Lesh at the Warfield in '97. All three nights are fab.  :)

https://archive.org/details/1999-04-15.paf.sbd.miller.25295.sbeok.flacf


I do remember them, actually.  I've always thought Phish were amazing musicians...just that most of what they played was, well, er, um, pretty rubbish....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on June 28, 2015, 10:35:18 PM
Thanks to John Roberts for this

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 29, 2015, 07:16:09 AM
A mate of mine was ahead of him and cracked that joke the day it was announced!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 30, 2015, 08:22:20 PM
Some of Phil's vocals are truly appalling...have you heard the Alligator?  I can sort of like some of his vocals with his own band but these are a bit beyond the pale...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on July 02, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
Yeah, sadly most of these concerts are unlistenable. I wish this technology existed back in the day ...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on July 05, 2015, 07:16:49 PM
Right, all set for tomorrow's screening at Gloucester Guildhall, meeting Ian quodlibet & son... Anyone else going? Jules?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 05, 2015, 10:09:32 PM

Right, all set for tomorrow's screening at Gloucester Guildhall, meeting Ian quodlibet & son... Anyone else going? Jules?


Afraid not.  To be honest, I've been too preoccupied with other things, and forgot all about it.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on July 05, 2015, 10:19:19 PM

Right, all set for tomorrow's screening at Gloucester Guildhall, meeting Ian quodlibet & son... Anyone else going? Jules?
Was hoping to, but my local cinema which was due to show it is no longer doing so :(


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on July 06, 2015, 08:43:18 AM


Right, all set for tomorrow's screening at Gloucester Guildhall, meeting Ian quodlibet & son... Anyone else going? Jules?
Was hoping to, but my local cinema which was due to show it is no longer doing so :(


My wonderful local indie cinema showed it, but i felt the £15/£13 conc.  was a  bit steep. It's only a film, after all.  ::)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 06, 2015, 02:23:37 PM


Right, all set for tomorrow's screening at Gloucester Guildhall, meeting Ian quodlibet & son... Anyone else going? Jules?
Was hoping to, but my local cinema which was due to show it is no longer doing so :(


Hardly going to be a blockbuster & I wouldn't be surprised if someone catches a cold with the number of UK venues.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 06, 2015, 03:20:18 PM
Nice sign off:

“The feeling we have here — remember it, take it home and do some good with it,” Mr. Hart said in closing. “I’ll leave you with this: Please, be kind.”


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 06, 2015, 03:31:32 PM

Nice sign off:

“The feeling we have here — remember it, take it home and do some good with it,” Mr. Hart said in closing. “I’ll leave you with this: Please, be kind.”


Very cool indeed.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on July 06, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
Great show - even allowing for some decidedly dodgy harmonies on the encore (Attics)...but Trey did a fine job on guitar.

May I take this opportunity to echo Mr Lesh - please become an organ donor.

Good to meet Ian and Kai, see you at Cropredy!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on July 07, 2015, 12:04:55 AM
Quote

I do remember them, actually.  I've always thought Phish were amazing musicians...just that most of what they played was, well, er, um, pretty rubbish....


You know, that pretty much hits the nail on the head.  Exactly.  I couldn't have phrased it better myself.




Edit: Fixed quote. Paul


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 07, 2015, 06:08:20 AM

Great show - even allowing for some decidedly dodgy harmonies on the encore (Attics)...but Trey did a fine job on guitar.

May I take this opportunity to echo Mr Lesh - please become an organ donor.

Good to meet Ian and Kai, see you at Cropredy!


Yes, a most enjoyable evening, enhanced by meeting Paul & not having to drive.

An interesting choice of set list & it was great to see those rusty strings dusted off one more time.

I was expecting some very dodgy vocals from Phil. but it was nowhere near as painful as it might have been. apart, as Paul mentioned, the brave attempt at "Attics".

Good as Trey is, much like the various Sandy tributes, it served to highlight how special the original was. We'll not see their like again.

  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Andy Tuck on July 08, 2015, 12:35:42 AM
I don't own a single track by them, but feel that their live music would be the better than studio albums. Would this new release be a good place to start, or is there something better?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YDF76AK?colid=1CNB1ZFIFB5SZ&coliid=IQRHISNWK7FF6&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 08, 2015, 06:38:01 AM

I don't own a single track by them, but feel that their live music would be the better than studio albums. Would this new release be a good place to start, or is there something better?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YDF76AK?colid=1CNB1ZFIFB5SZ&coliid=IQRHISNWK7FF6&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl


Their live music is more typical, not always better.  I wouldn't start with the new compilation though.  Maybe start with Europe '72, it's most fans pick of their best live album (complete with a little studio overdubbing).  But don't rule out starting with their finest studio album, American Beauty.  It would be a shame for you not to hear it.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on July 08, 2015, 09:58:17 PM


I don't own a single track by them, but feel that their live music would be the better than studio albums. Would this new release be a good place to start, or is there something better?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YDF76AK?colid=1CNB1ZFIFB5SZ&coliid=IQRHISNWK7FF6&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl


Their live music is more typical, not always better.  I wouldn't start with the new compilation though.  Maybe start with Europe '72, it's most fans pick of their best live album (complete with a little studio overdubbing).  But don't rule out starting with their finest studio album, American Beauty.  It would be a shame for you not to hear it.

Jules


I agree with Jules, the new live compilation is definitely not the place to start. If you want to start with a live one then I might also suggest getting "Grateful Dead" (otherwise known as "Skull and Roses") from 1971 -- another fine recording, although it also has overdubs (the organ parts). And Workingman's Dead for the other studio album which I think rivals American Beauty for their best LP in that category. Or maybe Mars Hotel. Or ...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on July 08, 2015, 10:07:39 PM
While we're on the subject of live Dead, I just got directed here ...
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-wall-of-sound


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 09, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
A not very good piece in Uncut...but

"Heads up! Next month’s Uncut – on sale July 28 in the UK – comes with a FREE GRATEFUL DEAD CD: our historic attempt to piece together the album that should have followed “Workingman’s Dead” and “American Beauty”…"

Can't quite work out what's going on there...the 'solo' band stuff maybe?

http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/fare-thee-well-the-grateful-dead-69601



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 09, 2015, 05:37:51 PM

A not very good piece in Uncut...but

"Heads up! Next month’s Uncut – on sale July 28 in the UK – comes with a FREE GRATEFUL DEAD CD: our historic attempt to piece together the album that should have followed “Workingman’s Dead” and “American Beauty”…"

Can't quite work out what's going on there...the 'solo' band stuff maybe?

http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/fare-thee-well-the-grateful-dead-69601




Wouldn't that have been the new songs that appeared on "Europe '72"? "Jack Straw", "He's Gone", "B. E. Women" etc, although presumably there are no studio versions or somebody would have done it already.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 09, 2015, 07:20:37 PM
My guess is stuff from the live 1971 album, Bob's Ace, Jerry's first solo LP, and Europe '72.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Neil on July 10, 2015, 04:31:51 PM

A not very good piece in Uncut...but

"Heads up! Next month’s Uncut – on sale July 28 in the UK – comes with a FREE GRATEFUL DEAD CD: our historic attempt to piece together the album that should have followed “Workingman’s Dead” and “American Beauty”…"

Can't quite work out what's going on there...the 'solo' band stuff maybe?

http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/fare-thee-well-the-grateful-dead-69601




That piece really describes my one experience of a Dead show in the 90's complete with lost shoes, a strange and very violent sub-culture and in the end corporate hippiedom which lives on in the Oregon Country Faire this week.

I have loved much of their music over the years but have shied away from any show involving any member of the band, apart form the one Phil Lesh show because Dylan was around, largely because of their self-righteous audience. Maybe it's just an Oregon thing.

Neil


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on July 14, 2015, 04:30:24 PM

My guess is stuff from the live 1971 album, Bob's Ace, Jerry's first solo LP, and Europe '72.

Jules


Same here.  It reminds me of seeing bootlegs in the '90s of the "final" Grateful Dead album, with 'So Many Roads," "Lazy River Road," "Days Between," etc.  The 90s material that was never recorded in the studio.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 26, 2015, 06:10:58 PM
Latest news on the revised Deadbase (Deadbase50) is its going to be available on Amazon (.com at least) probably 2nd week in August at $89.99 which is currently just short of 60 quid.  Sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford it, but man, do I want it...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 26, 2015, 07:19:01 PM

Latest news on the revised Deadbase (Deadbase50) is its going to be available on Amazon (.com at least) probably 2nd week in August at $89.99 which is currently just short of 60 quid.  Sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford it, but man, do I want it...


What is it exactly?

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 26, 2015, 07:25:57 PM


Latest news on the revised Deadbase (Deadbase50) is its going to be available on Amazon (.com at least) probably 2nd week in August at $89.99 which is currently just short of 60 quid.  Sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford it, but man, do I want it...


What is it exactly?

Jules


Setlists, gig reviews & lots of other trainspottery information. Not as essential as it once was before the internet, but probably still my most consulted reference book.  :)

http://www.amazon.com/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful/dp/069247093X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437933519&sr=8-1&keywords=deadbase


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on July 27, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
Here's the tracklist from that Uncut magazine freebie:

Mr Charlie 7/8/71 DP35
Brown-Eyed Women 24/8/72 DP35
Looks Like Rain 26/2/73 DP28
He's Gone 4/5/72 Europe72 vol12
Loser 21/9/72 DP36
Comes A Time 26/4/72 Hundred Year Hall
Ramble On Rose 21/9/72 DP36
Chinatown Shuffle 11/5/72 So Many Roads
Black-Throated Wind 27/9/72 DP11
To Lay Me Down Studio outtake So Many Roads



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on July 27, 2015, 01:55:58 PM

Here's the tracklist from that Uncut magazine freebie:

Mr Charlie 7/8/71 DP35
Brown-Eyed Women 24/8/72 DP35
Looks Like Rain 26/2/73 DP28
He's Gone 4/5/72 Europe72 vol12
Loser 21/9/72 DP36
Comes A Time 26/4/72 Hundred Year Hall
Ramble On Rose 21/9/72 DP36
Chinatown Shuffle 11/5/72 So Many Roads
Black-Throated Wind 27/9/72 DP11
To Lay Me Down Studio outtake So Many Roads




Looks alright  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on July 27, 2015, 02:12:47 PM


Here's the tracklist from that Uncut magazine freebie:

Mr Charlie 7/8/71 DP35
Brown-Eyed Women 24/8/72 DP35
Looks Like Rain 26/2/73 DP28
He's Gone 4/5/72 Europe72 vol12
Loser 21/9/72 DP36
Comes A Time 26/4/72 Hundred Year Hall
Ramble On Rose 21/9/72 DP36
Chinatown Shuffle 11/5/72 So Many Roads
Black-Throated Wind 27/9/72 DP11
To Lay Me Down Studio outtake So Many Roads


Looks alright  :)


Yeah, it looks alright, but it's not quite there for a great lost album, is it?  No Jack Straw.  No Sugaree.  No Cassidy.  No Playing In The Band.  No Deal.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on July 27, 2015, 10:11:35 PM



Latest news on the revised Deadbase (Deadbase50) is its going to be available on Amazon (.com at least) probably 2nd week in August at $89.99 which is currently just short of 60 quid.  Sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford it, but man, do I want it...


What is it exactly?

Jules


Setlists, gig reviews & lots of other trainspottery information. Not as essential as it once was before the internet, but probably still my most consulted reference book.  :)
http://www.amazon.com/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful/dp/069247093X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437933519&sr=8-1&keywords=deadbase


I had Deadbase XII, I think.  But I don't remembering spending that much on it, twenty dollars maybe, back in 2000, I think.

It is a lot fun to flip through, and it does have a lot of good information, but sadly a lot of it has been made not as essential because of the internet.  Though, one of the features it has that I have not seen on any website; for every song, each time it was played, what the preceding song was, and the song that followed it.  Obviously, certain songs like "Chinacat Sunflower" were almost always followed by "I Know You Rider" or "Scarlet Begonias" almost always followed by "Fire on the Mountain" (well, after spring 1977); but there were other common song pairings.  Not as solid as those two, but "Bertha" and "Good Lovin'" was a common pairing in the late 1970's, "Estimated Prophet" and "Eyes of the World" as well.  Or how certain songs were almost always done during certain sets, or were common show openers, or set closers.  Or came out of the "space" portion in the second set.  So definitely a great resource, but ninety dollars, that's steep...  





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 09, 2015, 01:02:02 PM

Twenty years ago today since the end of Jerry's long strange trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on August 09, 2015, 05:42:12 PM


Twenty years ago today since the end of Jerry's long strange trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc




I was in america when it happened, the tv reaction was almost like when a minor royal expires.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on August 12, 2015, 09:46:57 AM

Here's the tracklist from that Uncut magazine freebie:

Mr Charlie 7/8/71 DP35
Brown-Eyed Women 24/8/72 DP35
Looks Like Rain 26/2/73 DP28
He's Gone 4/5/72 Europe72 vol12
Loser 21/9/72 DP36
Comes A Time 26/4/72 Hundred Year Hall
Ramble On Rose 21/9/72 DP36
Chinatown Shuffle 11/5/72 So Many Roads
Black-Throated Wind 27/9/72 DP11
To Lay Me Down Studio outtake So Many Roads


If anyone would like to listen to the CD rather than look at the track listing, zip me a PM and I'll drop my copy in the post to you.
Cheers
Shane


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on August 16, 2015, 01:13:12 PM
OK, this is actually really good, and is the most I've been interested in the listening to anything new involving the Dead since 10 years before Jerry died. Interesting, surprising and tasteful playing AND singing.
Phil Lesh with John Mayer - 6/13/15 After-show Bar Jam - Terrapin Crossroads - https://youtu.be/j00rwXi1xAc


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 16, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
Sported by Ric at Cropredy this year:

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 16, 2015, 06:27:50 PM

Sported by Ric at Cropredy this year:


Spotted 10 different Dead shirt wearers this year, plus Ric's. Had a number of nice random DH greetings. We ARE everywhere.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on August 17, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
Nice one, Ric!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 17, 2015, 03:05:57 PM

Sported by Ric at Cropredy this year:


Good man!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 26, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
I can resist anything except temptation. Deadbase50 arrived this morning, a week before the date anticipated & it's a 950+ page monster. No extra taxes or charges. That's my afternoon activity settled, a happy bunny am I  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jonathan on September 02, 2015, 03:22:28 AM

I can resist anything except temptation. Deadbase50 arrived this morning, a week before the date anticipated & it's a 950+ page monster. No extra taxes or charges. That's my afternoon activity settled, a happy bunny am I  :)


And he was not seen again for nearly three weeks...

And when he finally did emerge, he had a twelve page list of shows he needed to get... ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 02, 2015, 01:42:00 PM


I can resist anything except temptation. Deadbase50 arrived this morning, a week before the date anticipated & it's a 950+ page monster. No extra taxes or charges. That's my afternoon activity settled, a happy bunny am I  :)


And he was not seen again for nearly three weeks...

And when he finally did emerge, he had a twelve page list of shows he needed to get... ;D


 ;D

Ain't that the truth.

Hoping for an Amazon Matchbook release to download it as an E book to save my poor aching arms.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2015, 05:35:58 PM



I can resist anything except temptation. Deadbase50 arrived this morning, a week before the date anticipated & it's a 950+ page monster. No extra taxes or charges. That's my afternoon activity settled, a happy bunny am I  :)


And he was not seen again for nearly three weeks...

And when he finally did emerge, he had a twelve page list of shows he needed to get... ;D


 ;D

Ain't that the truth.

Hoping for an Amazon Matchbook release to download it as an E book to save my poor aching arms.  :)


It's already been Kindled.  Stupid price though.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 02, 2015, 06:29:13 PM

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Hoping for an Amazon Matchbook release to download it as an E book to save my poor aching arms.  :)
[/quote]

It's already been Kindled.  Stupid price though.
[/quote]

Nearly as silly as some recent concert ticket prices.

It's nice to have a hard copy. Fortunately, I had a voucher from The Guardian readers panel that covered the majority of the cost

In the States if you buy a hard copy, you can also download it as an e-book.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 30, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
Deadbase50 Kindle edition £1.99 for 24 hours only.  :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful-ebook/dp/B014QAR1OC


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 30, 2015, 06:44:01 PM

Deadbase50 Kindle edition £1.99 for 24 hours only.  :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful-ebook/dp/B014QAR1OC


AWESOME spot, Ian...thank you so much  :)

Talking of the Dead - 25 years ago today I was seeing them for the first time.  25 years ago tomorrow I was seeing for the second (and last) time.  

Once in a while you get shown the light....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on October 30, 2015, 07:14:15 PM


Deadbase50 Kindle edition £1.99 for 24 hours only.  :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful-ebook/dp/B014QAR1OC


AWESOME spot, Ian...thank you so much  :)


That's got to have made your day, David!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 30, 2015, 10:21:45 PM


Deadbase50 Kindle edition £1.99 for 24 hours only.  :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful-ebook/dp/B014QAR1OC


AWESOME spot, Ian...thank you so much  :)

Talking of the Dead - 25 years ago today I was seeing them for the first time.  25 years ago tomorrow I was seeing for the second (and last) time.  

Once in a while you get shown the light....


Pleased to help, but all credit goes to Stu & Doug for making it available, it's not perfect, but what a labour of love, bless 'em.

Missed them in London, but caught them at Le Zenith in Paris a few days earlier, which incidentally, is the 1990 show on "30 Trips".  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 01, 2015, 05:10:46 PM
30 days back for another run....

http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead?cmpid=dn/2015November1/30DaysDead-main-image-1&eml=2015November1/2858169/6131962&etsubid=39918585

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 01, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
Deadbase50 back to £39.17 on Kindle now.  Gulp.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 10, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
Could anyone snag yesterday's Dead song?  No joy after multiple tries for me.

http://www.dead.net/node/396116

I don't even like The Music Never Stopped, but that's not the point!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 10, 2015, 06:04:26 PM

Could anyone snag yesterday's Dead song?  No joy after multiple tries for me.

http://www.dead.net/node/396116

I don't even like The Music Never Stopped, but that's not the point!   ;)

Jules


Link still appears to be inactive. However, as indicated in the comments,try

http://rhino.edgeboss.net/download/rhino/gdead/30days/2015/day9_sobhtv9_musicnever.mp3

Right click, "save page as" & Bob will be your mo's bro.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 10, 2015, 06:05:06 PM

Link still appears to be inactive. However, as indicated in the comments,try

http://rhino.edgeboss.net/download/rhino/gdead/30days/2015/day9_sobhtv9_musicnever.mp3

Right click, "save page as" & Bob will be your mo' bro.  :)


Grassy arse, compadre.   8)

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 21, 2015, 05:29:09 PM
Not sure quite how, but for whatever reason, in more than 3 decades as a fan of the band I've never seen this.  Rather fun, and rather good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6OAfvlxTs


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on December 21, 2015, 07:30:30 PM

Not sure quite how, but for whatever reason, in more than 3 decades as a fan of the band I've never seen this.  Rather fun, and rather good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6OAfvlxTs


Ace. Thanks, David.   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on December 21, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
I have seen it before.  It's almost surreal.  Those were different times.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on January 01, 2016, 08:08:52 PM
Looks like the Royal Mint has a deadhead designing the coins.
Yeah man like we believe its for Shakespeare, just tell your gaffer that, he bought it man.

[Photo over 400 days old. Removed by Admin.]


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on January 05, 2016, 11:00:53 AM
^ Brilliant.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 07, 2016, 10:17:38 AM
Still digesting "30 Trips Around The Sun" & along comes this little beauty; a compilation of guest appearances between '65-'95.

Here's the initial You Tube upload ('65-'69 with annotation in comments) at a bite size 7 hours 55 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ62mpITsk

The full 80 odd hours audio for download is here:

https://archive.org/details/AllGratefulDeadGuestSit-ins66To95

Still a work in progress as the Archive.org set has lost it's chronology & there's no list of dates or who plays on what.

Now, if somebody could do a similar exercise for all the Cropredys.........

 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 07, 2016, 03:12:20 PM

Still digesting "30 Trips Around The Sun" & along comes this little beauty; a compilation of guest appearances between '65-'95.

Here's the initial You Tube upload ('65-'69 with annotation in comments) at a bite size 7 hours 55 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ62mpITsk

The full 80 odd hours audio for download is here:

https://archive.org/details/AllGratefulDeadGuestSit-ins66To95

Still a work in progress as the Archive.org set has lost it's chronology & there's no list of dates or who plays on what.

Now, if somebody could do a similar exercise for all the Cropredys.........

 ;D ;D ;D




That's about as much use as a (insert name of something not particularly useful at all).  Nice idea, poorly executed  ;) :)

One of my first and fave live Dead tapes was a recording of a 2nd set with Stills sitting in for a few which was sublime for little ol' teenage me.

Information is everything though...without it, you might as well not be a Deadhead at all.  Tut tut Mr Archive Man.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

One of my first and fave live Dead tapes was a recording of a 2nd set with Stills sitting in for a few which was sublime for little ol' teenage me.


When was that, David?  I've seen...uh...stills of that concert and was always intrigued, but have never thought about tracking it down.  I'd like to hear it.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 07, 2016, 04:00:32 PM


One of my first and fave live Dead tapes was a recording of a 2nd set with Stills sitting in for a few which was sublime for little ol' teenage me.


When was that, David?  I've seen...uh...stills of that concert and was always intrigued, but have never thought about tracking it down.  I'd like to hear it.

Jules


This was part of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vdh7zcM-U  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on January 07, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Just had a quick browse of the archive, some songs there you'd not maybe expect to hear from the Dead: The Banana Boat Song, aka Day-oh (too loud, man); Every Time You Go Away (deffo NOT Paul Young singing); and The Green Green Grass of Home sans Sir Tom.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2016, 04:50:19 PM

This was part of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vdh7zcM-U  :)


In which case I'm thinking of a different show.  The photo I saw was of a much younger Stills.  1969-72 vintage.

Jules



Edit: Mind you, this isn't too shabby!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 07, 2016, 05:03:12 PM


This was part of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vdh7zcM-U  :)


In which case I'm thinking of a different show.  The photo I saw was of a much younger Stills.  1969-72 vintage.

Jules



Edit: Mind you, this isn't too shabby!


You'll be thinking of this show, I imagine... https://archive.org/details/gd69-12-10.sbd.gerland.10986.sbeok.shnf


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on January 07, 2016, 05:43:04 PM


Still digesting "30 Trips Around The Sun" & along comes this little beauty; a compilation of guest appearances between '65-'95.

Here's the initial You Tube upload ('65-'69 with annotation in comments) at a bite size 7 hours 55 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ62mpITsk

The full 80 odd hours audio for download is here:

https://archive.org/details/AllGratefulDeadGuestSit-ins66To95

Still a work in progress as the Archive.org set has lost it's chronology & there's no list of dates or who plays on what.

Now, if somebody could do a similar exercise for all the Cropredys.........

 ;D ;D ;D




That's about as much use as a (insert name of something not particularly useful at all).  Nice idea, poorly executed  ;) :)

One of my first and fave live Dead tapes was a recording of a 2nd set with Stills sitting in for a few which was sublime for little ol' teenage me.

Information is everything though...without it, you might as well not be a Deadhead at all.  Tut tut Mr Archive Man.


Arf. Curmudgeon of the day award goes to...... :)

You're right though; it might have been better to release it all at once properly referenced, but hey, for a labour of love, I take my hat off to the guy.

 '66-'69 info is on the You Tube link. More to follow, no doubt.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on January 07, 2016, 06:18:45 PM

Arf. Curmudgeon of the day award goes to...... :)


The day?  B'stard.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2016, 07:00:22 PM

You'll be thinking of this show, I imagine... https://archive.org/details/gd69-12-10.sbd.gerland.10986.sbeok.shnf


Thanks, David, I reckon that's the badger!

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 07, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Footage of the Dead doing China > Rider in 1970:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarSt7YKATw&feature=youtu.be

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 07, 2016, 08:49:02 PM

Footage of the Dead doing China > Rider in 1970:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarSt7YKATw&feature=youtu.be

Jules


Ah, the syncopation is breathtaking.   :P
None finer.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 08, 2016, 09:07:20 AM


Footage of the Dead doing China > Rider in 1970:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarSt7YKATw&feature=youtu.be

Jules


Ah, the syncopation is breathtaking.   :P
None finer.


Niiiiice.  That's my Dead, right there.  The finest music ever made....  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 08, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
Gets better every time you watch it!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 08, 2016, 07:23:59 PM
This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on February 08, 2016, 08:47:38 PM

This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


I still prefer them doing proper songs.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: hendo (Dave) on February 08, 2016, 09:29:33 PM


This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


I still prefer them doing proper songs.

Jules

Whatever one of those may be😀


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on February 09, 2016, 07:33:40 AM

This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


With the right chemicals inside, I'm in complete agreement.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 09, 2016, 09:56:37 AM


This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


With the right chemicals inside, I'm in complete agreement.


 :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: samnitzberg (Sam) on February 12, 2016, 12:57:14 AM

This however is imo, probably their finest moment ever.  I cannot be dissuaded.

http://youtu.be/zIuSV_E4zHE


Indeed quite tasty. One drummer. Makes all the difference.
Here's much more of that concert, in HD video and soundboard sound mostly properly mixed. https://youtu.be/URtCml8FHrU


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on February 12, 2016, 09:00:52 AM
Great isn't it Sam? I've been biding my time waiting for the DVD to come down in price - it's taking a while!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 01, 2016, 04:07:40 PM

Here's another labour of love. A compilation of debut live performances for all(?) original Dead songs.

http://www.jambase.com/article/every-grateful-dead-original-song-debut-playlist

"Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on"

 :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 01, 2016, 06:27:40 PM
Thanks for that Ian. Another Dead treat to while away a few hours!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 01, 2016, 06:38:07 PM
Nice one - ta!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 07, 2016, 07:54:36 PM

Some news on progress on the Scosese produced Dead documentary:

http://www.jambase.com/article/preview-of-martin-scorsese-produced-grateful-dead-documentary-announced

 :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 15, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
More expensive milking of the vaults. This time it's Betty's Boards July '78 limited release box set that's on the way!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
You might be interested to view the pricing on this https://www.spincds.com/red-rocks-amphitheatre-morrison-co-7-8-78-3cd which as the 12-CD set is £150 seems a little 'unusual' to say the least.

Ordered!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2016, 11:00:15 AM

You might be interested to view the pricing on this https://www.spincds.com/red-rocks-amphitheatre-morrison-co-7-8-78-3cd which as the 12-CD set is £150 seems a little 'unusual' to say the least.

Ordered!


Not as much of a saving as I expected (£14.48 on Amazon) but still cheap (and postage free to the UK). Don't quite understand the cost of that v the box set, mind...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 17, 2016, 12:36:04 PM

Don't quite understand the cost of that v the box set, mind...


Nor me.  I'm sitting on the fence here.  I feel saturated by the Dead, yet I don't want to be kicking myself for missing out further on down the line.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
"I feel saturated by The Dead"

T-shirts (and arguably, waterproof clothing) shall be made.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 17, 2016, 01:36:50 PM

You might be interested to view the pricing on this https://www.spincds.com/red-rocks-amphitheatre-morrison-co-7-8-78-3cd which as the 12-CD set is £150 seems a little 'unusual' to say the least.

Ordered!


Good ol' Spincds. Cheers David.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 17, 2016, 02:28:16 PM

Good ol' Spincds.


You say that - my experience is that getting my orders from them is somewhat akin to the old blood and stone situation.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2016, 02:32:16 PM


Good ol' Spincds.


You say that - my experience is that getting my orders from them is somewhat akin to the old blood and stone situation.

Jules


Really?  I've never had any trouble with ordering through them.  In general my main beef with them is the old turning dollars into pounds GD pricing policy...but even that pays dividends sometimes when Tax has to be paid.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 17, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
Yay - this has been long talked about  :)

http://diymag.com/2016/03/17/the-national-day-of-the-dead-grateful-dead-tribute-album

http://www.dayofthedeadmusic.com/


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 17, 2016, 07:18:45 PM


Good ol' Spincds.


You say that - my experience is that getting my orders from them is somewhat akin to the old blood and stone situation.

Jules


You surprise me Jools.  Admittedly I haven't used them for about 18mnths, but I always had found their service top notch.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 17, 2016, 07:20:40 PM

You surprise me Jools.  Admittedly I haven't used them for about 18mnths, but I always had found their service top notch.  


4 times out of 5 I've had to chase 'em with new releases (they're fine with old stock).

And it's Jules.  You're getting as bad as Gym!

Jules (see?)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 17, 2016, 08:50:25 PM

Yay - this has been long talked about  :)

http://diymag.com/2016/03/17/the-national-day-of-the-dead-grateful-dead-tribute-album

http://www.dayofthedeadmusic.com/


First track "Touch of Grey" by War On Drugs. I'm in.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 17, 2016, 08:59:38 PM


You might be interested to view the pricing on this https://www.spincds.com/red-rocks-amphitheatre-morrison-co-7-8-78-3cd which as the 12-CD set is £150 seems a little 'unusual' to say the least.

Ordered!


Not as much of a saving as I expected (£14.48 on Amazon) but still cheap (and postage free to the UK). Don't quite understand the cost of that v the box set, mind...


'Tis a bit curious especially with free postage. Hmm, The box is £90 from Dead.net + P&P. Decisions, decisions. May get the Red Rocks & hoover up the rest once they become more widely available.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 07:13:59 AM


You surprise me Jools.  Admittedly I haven't used them for about 18mnths, but I always had found their service top notch.  


4 times out of 5 I've had to chase 'em with new releases (they're fine with old stock).

And it's Jules.  You're getting as bad as Gym!

Jules (see?)


Apologies, I can't believe I got that wrong Jewels!  :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 18, 2016, 09:44:34 AM

Apologies, I can't believe I got that wrong Jewels!  :P


Peat!   :P

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 10:39:52 AM


Apologies, I can't believe I got that wrong Jewels!  :P


Peat!   :P

Jules


 ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
I don't whether you fellow Deadheads agree with me, but I'm getting a little tired of all of these mediocre bands climbing on the bandwagon. In fact, I didn't care much for the Fare Thee Well tour or the Garcia symphony stuff. Every other day another band crawls out of the woodwork to announce that they loved the Dead all along. I don't even care if Lesh or Weir gives them the stamp of approval.

For me, the Dead died when Jerome John Garcia died.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 18, 2016, 01:38:30 PM

I don't whether you fellow Deadheads agree with me, but I'm getting a little tired of all of these mediocre bands climbing on the bandwagon. In fact, I didn't care much for the Fare Thee Well tour or the Garcia symphony stuff. Every other day another band crawls out of the woodwork to announce that they loved the Dead all along. I don't even care if Lesh or Weir gives them the stamp of approval.

For me, the Dead died when Jerome John Garcia died.


Yeah, I have some sympathy with your view, Pete. There has been such a proliferation of different permutations of line-ups with former members of varying levels of quality that I no longer actively seek them out, or even download very much. Leaving aside questionable covers by outsiders. While I enjoyed the July 4th show on the big screen, I've not seen / heard it again, nor any of the other nights. Like you, without Garcia it just doesn't cut the mustard. Plus, there is still so much Dead stuff I've not yet heard, I'd rather stick with the real McCoy. I'll give the new compilation a whirl, but suspect it'll be like "Deadicated", only interesting for a couple of listens. Hey ho.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 18, 2016, 02:42:40 PM
When young(er) people get into good music and dig it, and want to play it, then I think it pretty damn churlish if we criticise them for it.  Don't listen, by all means, but please don't be snotty that other people are enjoying it.  On a good day, that's what i think anyway...on a bad day, I never want to hear a note they played after Brent joined  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 03:55:02 PM

When young(er) people get into good music and dig it, and want to play it, then I think it pretty damn churlish if we criticise them for it.  Don't listen, by all means, but please don't be snotty that other people are enjoying it.  On a good day, that's what i think anyway...on a bad day, I never want to hear a note they played after Brent joined  :)


I'm not really being snotty about it David, as some of the people covering their stuff are - whisper it - more accomplished musicians. I'm thinking people like John Scofield etc here.
It just seems that whole preconceived idea of  'if we say we like the Dead, their fans may latch onto our music'.
That symphonic stuff is dire isn't it?   I can't say I dislike Warren Haynes though.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
......and that John Meyer. What is Phil thinking?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Sorry to triple post but Mumford and Sons covering the Dead. I'm going to a darkened room. :-X


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 18, 2016, 04:04:08 PM

......and that John Meyer. What is Phil thinking?


Mayer.  What, in not playing with him?  ;)  It's the other three...Dead & Co.  I actually rather like what they sound like.  I know I shouldn't, but....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 18, 2016, 04:21:44 PM
Think Pete's out grumped you David.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 18, 2016, 04:23:09 PM

Think Pete's out grumped you David.  ;D


I know...impressive stuff, eh?   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 04:34:20 PM

Think Pete's out grumped you David.  ;D


I'm only just getting started Ian!!!   ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 04:34:58 PM


Think Pete's out grumped you David.  ;D


I know...impressive stuff, eh?   ;D


Haha.  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 18, 2016, 07:07:01 PM
They may well have finished when Jez popped his clogs but there is always going to be an audience for them and their music.
    Groups that split 30 years ago come back having plugged the gap left by departed members and it gets lapped up. The Dead dont have the option of waiting long to get together given their age, as its on the cards that it won't be too long before Jerry, Pigpen, Keith and Brent have their pals join them in a keyboard heavy jam.
    I rather enjoyed Brents time with the band, esp since it meant that Donna was out of  the picture.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 18, 2016, 09:09:17 PM

They may well have finished when Jez popped his clogs but there is always going to be an audience for them and their music.
    Groups that split 30 years ago come back having plugged the gap left by departed members and it gets lapped up. The Dead dont have the option of waiting long to get together given their age, as its on the cards that it won't be too long before Jerry, Pigpen, Keith and Brent have their pals join them in a keyboard heavy jam.
    I rather enjoyed Brents time with the band, esp since it meant that Donna was out of  the picture.


It's impossible to replace Garcia though Jim even if they use three guitarists. Nobody is capable of replicating his exploratory style and phrasing IMO.
I agree with you about Donna's exit though, but I loved Keith's work with the band.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 18, 2016, 10:21:39 PM
Keith was great, and you could pretty much ignore Donna for 92.5% of a show.  Brent though.  *shudder*

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 18, 2016, 10:55:32 PM
Poor Donna. Sadly. the bad overwhelms the good. However, there are times when she's just right. There are too many excruciating "Playing"s for comfort. Given her track record, she was obviously a talented singer; maybe it was a case of poor stage sound (she apparently had no monitors) & sometimes her understated harmonies are spot on.

Brent gave a whole new dynamic vocally that altered the band's sound dramatically. His songwriting was a pretty poor fit, but his enthusiasm & keyboard skills certainly did revitalise the band following Keith & Donna's departure. His contribution has been traduced, somewhat unfairly I feel. Obviously a fan of Steve Winwood, his fab Hammond sound gave a new lease of life to old material & shaped the direction of the band.

Ultimately, both Donna Jean & Brent were positive influences. Bless 'em.  :)



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 19, 2016, 07:27:28 AM

Poor Donna. Sadly. the bad overwhelms the good. However, there are times when she's just right. There are too many excruciating "Playing"s for comfort. Given her track record, she was obviously a talented singer; maybe it was a case of poor stage sound (she apparently had no monitors) & sometimes her understated harmonies are spot on.

Brent gave a whole new dynamic vocally that altered the band's sound dramatically. His songwriting was a pretty poor fit, but his enthusiasm & keyboard skills certainly did revitalise the band following Keith & Donna's departure. His contribution has been traduced, somewhat unfairly I feel. Obviously a fan of Steve Winwood, his fab Hammond sound gave a new lease of life to old material & shaped the direction of the band.

Ultimately, both Donna Jean & Brent were positive influences. Bless 'em.  :)




Yes, Ian that is true regarding Donna's pedigree. The lack of monitors must have been a major problem for her, as we know that she was an in demand backing singer.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 19, 2016, 08:36:44 AM

Poor Donna. Sadly. the bad overwhelms the good. However, there are times when she's just right. There are too many excruciating "Playing"s for comfort. Given her track record, she was obviously a talented singer; maybe it was a case of poor stage sound (she apparently had no monitors) & sometimes her understated harmonies are spot on.

Brent gave a whole new dynamic vocally that altered the band's sound dramatically. His songwriting was a pretty poor fit, but his enthusiasm & keyboard skills certainly did revitalise the band following Keith & Donna's departure. His contribution has been traduced, somewhat unfairly I feel. Obviously a fan of Steve Winwood, his fab Hammond sound gave a new lease of life to old material & shaped the direction of the band.

Ultimately, both Donna Jean & Brent were positive influences. Bless 'em.  :)




You make some fine points.  Donna's contribution was often 'just right'- it's far too easy to forget that with all of those dreadful PITB's.  She never sung anywhere near as badly as Phil does.  Try Unbroken Chain on the Fare Thee Well release.  Don't actually.  

Brent did indeed keep the band going, and almost singlehandedly invented the most irritating form of plinky plonky keyboard sound which spurned an entire genre in its wake...'jam band'...*shudder*.  The Dead were so dysfunctional from '79 onwards in so many ways that its hard to know whether saving the band was a good thing or not.  But for all their failings you gotta love 'em.  Gee,with fans like theirs, eh?  ;) :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 19, 2016, 09:55:25 AM

The Dead were so dysfunctional from '79 onwards in so many ways that its hard to know whether saving the band was a good thing or not.  


I'm thankful for the Dead Reckoning album.  I'm thankful for the Touch Of Gray single.  The rest I can take or leave.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 19, 2016, 10:14:29 AM
Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 19, 2016, 03:01:03 PM

Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Cheers for posting David. He's clearly a fine guitarist, but for me it's all rather cold and soulless.
Another thing, Weir needs to stop wearing those laughable long shorts - or short longs!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 19, 2016, 04:17:45 PM


Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Cheers for posting David. He's clearly a fine guitarist, but for me it's all rather cold and soulless.
Another thing, Weir needs to stop wearing those laughable long shorts - or short longs!  ;D


He's got over 4 decades of form on that...doubt he's gonna change now!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 19, 2016, 04:53:31 PM



Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Cheers for posting David. He's clearly a fine guitarist, but for me it's all rather cold and soulless.
Another thing, Weir needs to stop wearing those laughable long shorts - or short longs!  ;D


He's got over 4 decades of form on that...doubt he's gonna change now!


Those hipster whiskers can do one too.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on March 23, 2016, 10:04:15 AM
A 33⅓ book on Workingman's Dead is coming soon:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grateful-Deads-Workingmans-Dead-33/dp/1628929243/ref=sr_1_59?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1458727321&sr=1-59&keywords=33+1%2F3

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 23, 2016, 02:50:10 PM




Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Cheers for posting David. He's clearly a fine guitarist, but for me it's all rather cold and soulless.
Another thing, Weir needs to stop wearing those laughable long shorts - or short longs!  ;D


He's got over 4 decades of form on that...doubt he's gonna change now!


Those hipster whiskers can do one too.  :)


He's had them for a decade and a half too...  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 23, 2016, 04:29:32 PM





Anyway, moving on (or moving backwards) here's some Dead & Co... Mayer's guitar tone is quite 'rocky' in comparison with Garcia (lots of runs up and down the fretboard etc) but I think it kind of works (which is as good as it gets for us these days...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ-hTIp2AQ


Cheers for posting David. He's clearly a fine guitarist, but for me it's all rather cold and soulless.
Another thing, Weir needs to stop wearing those laughable long shorts - or short longs!  ;D


He's got over 4 decades of form on that...doubt he's gonna change now!


Those hipster whiskers can do one too.  :)


He's had them for a decade and a half too...  


It's almost as if he took the beard thing on to honour Garcia.
Oddly, throughout the years Garcia was performing with the Dead, Weir was invariably clean shaven.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 23, 2016, 05:41:08 PM
If I remember correctly (it's highly likely I don't) Bob grew his beard between the 2 visits to the UK with Ratdog (2002 and 2003).


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 23, 2016, 06:51:18 PM

If I remember correctly (it's highly likely I don't) Bob grew his beard between the 2 visits to the UK with Ratdog (2002 and 2003).


Ah, well then I accept you superior Ratdog knowledge David.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 23, 2016, 08:24:49 PM


If I remember correctly (it's highly likely I don't) Bob grew his beard between the 2 visits to the UK with Ratdog (2002 and 2003).


Ah, well then I accept you superior Ratdog knowledge David.


They were great shows...  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 24, 2016, 02:04:46 PM
Well, here are the first 5 streaming songs from the 'Day of the Dead' cd.

Can't say any of them excite me in any way, see what you guys think.

http://www.jambase.com/article/listen-first-five-day-dead-grateful-dead-covers


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 24, 2016, 02:26:15 PM

Well, here are the first 5 streaming songs from the 'Day of the Dead' cd.

Can't say any of them excite me in any way, see what you guys think.

http://www.jambase.com/article/listen-first-five-day-dead-grateful-dead-covers


War on Drugs - absolutely loathsome (I lasted about 2 mins)

Phosphorescent, Jenny Lewis & Friends - really liked this, nice vocals, nice groove.

Hornsby and Justin Vernon et al - this is great.  It's a very moving song anyway.  Love it.  (It's even got some nice 'weird sh1t' in there as well).

Courtney Barnett - fabulous.  I love her vocals anyway.

The National - love 'em.  Love the Dead.  This doesn't quite work (I mean The National are all about Narcisist in Chief, Matt so I'm surprised he even appeared on this in the first place...it's the Dessner's that are the fans), although it starts to make more sense as it goes on.  A qualified success.

Three and a half out of Five.  I'll take that.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 24, 2016, 03:57:53 PM


Well, here are the first 5 streaming songs from the 'Day of the Dead' cd.

Can't say any of them excite me in any way, see what you guys think.

http://www.jambase.com/article/listen-first-five-day-dead-grateful-dead-covers


War on Drugs - absolutely loathsome (I lasted about 2 mins)

Phosphorescent, Jenny Lewis & Friends - really liked this, nice vocals, nice groove.

Hornsby and Justin Vernon et al - this is great.  It's a very moving song anyway.  Love it.  (It's even got some nice 'weird sh1t' in there as well).

Courtney Barnett - fabulous.  I love her vocals anyway.

The National - love 'em.  Love the Dead.  This doesn't quite work (I mean The National are all about Narcisist in Chief, Matt so I'm surprised he even appeared on this in the first place...it's the Dessner's that are the fans), although it starts to make more sense as it goes on.  A qualified success.

Three and a half out of Five.  I'll take that.


Thanks for the pointer, Pete.  :)

Having been quite taken with TWoD's "Lost In The Dream" a while back, I got pretty much what I was expecting & was quite happy with it., although I'd be surprised if it appeals to many Deadheads over a certain age. Carp fade out at the end though.

Never heard of the performers on "Sugaree" or "NSB", but thought they were both pretty spot on.

With the National, I've only ever heard a bit of live stuff which didn't really click, but their take on "Morning Dew" hit the spot.

"Black Muddy River" I enjoyed greatly even if the unfamiliar singer's phrasing (Justin Vernon, presumably)is a trifle eccentric & I especially liked the wiggy bit, hope there's more like that elsewhere in the project.

If the quality shown here is maintained, it bodes well for the rest.

Liked the graphics too.   :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on March 24, 2016, 05:12:50 PM
War on Drugs - absolutely loathsome (I lasted about 2 mins)

Perversely that was my favorite.  

Quote
Phosphorescent, Jenny Lewis & Friends - really liked this, nice vocals, nice groove.

Really like Jenny Lewis, but to me it sounded like little effort had been put into it.

Quote
Courtney Barnett - fabulous.  I love her vocals anyway.

Now I did like her vocals, but as somebody commented they are unmistakable. Which is much the same as repetitive.

I suspect there will be quite a lot of bias here, depending on preconceptions of the artist.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on March 24, 2016, 06:59:53 PM
Personally I'm a little worried about the next 50 odd tracks still to come!!  :)
I must have been on a different musical road for too long, as I'd never even heard of Courtney and Jenny whatever their surnames are. If I'm being truthful I had heard of The National and War On Drugs but I'd never heard their music. I'm not really keen to hear more now!  :o :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on March 25, 2016, 11:41:13 AM

Thirty five minute post "Drums" sequence as a taste of the upcoming '78 box. As expected from a "Betty Board" the recording quality is terrific, & the performance isn't too shabby either.  :)

http://www.dead.net/store/1970s/july-1978-complete-recordings?cmpid=dn/2016March25/GratefulDeadBul-FirstListen1197-DigInHere-main-more-1&eml=2016March25/3294915/6131962&etsubid=39909681



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on March 25, 2016, 01:47:58 PM
having no knowledge of any of the participants, i must say that was a pleasant half hour


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on March 26, 2016, 10:43:53 AM


Thirty five minute post "Drums" sequence as a taste of the upcoming '78 box. As expected from a "Betty Board" the recording quality is terrific, & the performance isn't too shabby either.  :)

http://www.dead.net/store/1970s/july-1978-complete-recordings?cmpid=dn/2016March25/GratefulDeadBul-FirstListen1197-DigInHere-main-more-1&eml=2016March25/3294915/6131962&etsubid=39909681




Tasty  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on April 29, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
There are another five of the covers album just released here:-

http://www.jambase.com/article/five-day-dead-grateful-dead-covers-released


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 09, 2016, 07:28:26 PM
Now this is something to get bloody excited about in 2017 isn't it?   :)

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Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on June 09, 2016, 07:48:55 PM
Tony Morley? Used to play on the wing for Aston Villa!
That Tony Morley?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on June 09, 2016, 08:57:22 PM

Now this is something to get bloody excited about in 2017 isn't it?   :)


Not doing it for me I'm afraid.

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: mickf on June 10, 2016, 10:21:37 PM

Tony Morley? Used to play on the wing for Aston Villa!
That Tony Morley?

Hope so, I could do with some 1980s Villa right now! ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 15, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Well, you should be excited.  TC is a God and Mark Karan is one of the best Garcia influenced guitarists in the business.  Slick's no slouch either.  I once saw him play one of the best versions of Deal I've ever seen.  In Deal.  Odd moments of my life.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 15, 2016, 12:46:48 PM

Slick's no slouch either.  I once saw him play one of the best versions of Deal I've ever seen.  In Deal.  Odd moments of my life.


Like button.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 15, 2016, 03:16:25 PM

Presumably, he's over whatever nastiness that resulted in him giving up his role in Jefferson Starship.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on June 15, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

Well, you should be excited.  TC is a God and Mark Karan is one of the best Garcia influenced guitarists in the business.  Slick's no slouch either.  I once saw him play one of the best versions of Deal I've ever seen.  In Deal.  Odd moments of my life.


Any dates announced yet, David?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 15, 2016, 06:38:43 PM


Presumably, he's over whatever nastiness that resulted in him giving up his role in Jefferson Starship.


I read somewhere that he'd been given the all-clear Ian.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 15, 2016, 07:49:05 PM



Presumably, he's over whatever nastiness that resulted in him giving up his role in Jefferson Starship.


I read somewhere that he'd been given the all-clear Ian.


Thanks, Pete. Good to hear a bit of good news for a change.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 17, 2016, 06:12:49 PM


Well, you should be excited.  TC is a God and Mark Karan is one of the best Garcia influenced guitarists in the business.  Slick's no slouch either.  I once saw him play one of the best versions of Deal I've ever seen.  In Deal.  Odd moments of my life.


Any dates announced yet, David?


Not as far as I'm aware...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 20, 2016, 06:02:56 PM
I think this can be posted here.

Phil Lesh's son Grahame performing CSNY's 'Helplessly Hoping' with his band Midnight North.
Pitch perfect harmonies.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/detail/watch_midnight_north_cover_crosby_stills_nashs_helplessly_hoping


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Chris from Fieldtown on June 20, 2016, 06:52:14 PM

I think this can be posted here.

Phil Lesh's son Grahame performing CSNY's 'Helplessly Hoping' with his band Midnight North.
Pitch perfect harmonies.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/detail/watch_midnight_north_cover_crosby_stills_nashs_helplessly_hoping


That's really rather lovely, thanks for the link


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 20, 2016, 07:13:36 PM


I think this can be posted here.

Phil Lesh's son Grahame performing CSNY's 'Helplessly Hoping' with his band Midnight North.
Pitch perfect harmonies.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/detail/watch_midnight_north_cover_crosby_stills_nashs_helplessly_hoping


That's really rather lovely, thanks for the link


Wow.  Weird hearing a woman in the harmonic mix, but that really works.  Awesome - thank you.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 21, 2016, 06:21:48 AM

I think this can be posted here.

Phil Lesh's son Grahame performing CSNY's 'Helplessly Hoping' with his band Midnight North.
Pitch perfect harmonies.

http://www.relix.com/blogs/detail/watch_midnight_north_cover_crosby_stills_nashs_helplessly_hoping



*CSN of course!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 24, 2016, 07:10:26 AM
For everyone except Jules:

Live Dead '69 (see poster above)

Dates so far

2017
JANUARY
30 - Milton Keynes, UK/ The Stables
FEBRUARY
1 - Wolverhampton, UK/ Robin 2
2 - Derby, UK/ Flower Pot
3 - London, UK/ Under The Bridge
4 - Basingstoke, UK/ Stage


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on June 24, 2016, 08:48:02 AM

For everyone except Jules:

Live Dead '69 (see poster above)

Dates so far

2017
JANUARY
30 - Milton Keynes, UK/ The Stables
FEBRUARY
1 - Wolverhampton, UK/ Robin 2
2 - Derby, UK/ Flower Pot
3 - London, UK/ Under The Bridge
4 - Basingstoke, UK/ Stage


Thanks David. In need of some good news this morning.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on June 24, 2016, 08:56:24 AM


For everyone except Jules:

Live Dead '69 (see poster above)

Dates so far

2017
JANUARY
30 - Milton Keynes, UK/ The Stables
FEBRUARY
1 - Wolverhampton, UK/ Robin 2
2 - Derby, UK/ Flower Pot
3 - London, UK/ Under The Bridge
4 - Basingstoke, UK/ Stage


Thanks David. In need of some good news this morning.


Exactly what Ian said.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on June 24, 2016, 12:01:02 PM
What Ian and Paul said.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on June 24, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
Hoping the final list will include something a bit closer to home...but I'm definitely getting to one or two shows on this tour.  Genuinely excited about it.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on July 08, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
If any of your buddies want the lowdown on the band:

http://www.jambase.com/article/pitchforks-liner-notes-presents-annotated-look-grateful-dead   :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on July 13, 2016, 11:19:24 AM
Where next?

Maybe here: http://www.deadandcompany.com

Or Lesh's music diner near SF.

Hoping to get to the latter while we're there in the autumn (sorry, fall).  But if Dead&Co are playing in California and it fits our itinerary...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 04, 2016, 03:43:27 PM
Weir has a new album of 'cowboy songs' finished up and ready for release.

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/bob_weir_to_release_new_album_blue_mountain


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 04, 2016, 05:06:19 PM

Weir has a new album of 'cowboy songs' finished up and ready for release.




Yee haw. The world needs more cowboy songs!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 04, 2016, 05:07:14 PM

Weir has a new album of 'cowboy songs' finished up and ready for release.

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/bob_weir_to_release_new_album_blue_mountain


Interesting.  I wonder.  Fingers crossed it's at least 'ok'.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 04, 2016, 08:19:47 PM


Weir has a new album of 'cowboy songs' finished up and ready for release.

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/bob_weir_to_release_new_album_blue_mountain


Interesting.  I wonder.  Fingers crossed it's at least 'ok'.


I see that Barlow is involved, but mention of the pair from 'The National' is less than inspiring IMO.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 05, 2016, 07:59:15 AM



Weir has a new album of 'cowboy songs' finished up and ready for release.

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/bob_weir_to_release_new_album_blue_mountain


Interesting.  I wonder.  Fingers crossed it's at least 'ok'.


I see that Barlow is involved, but mention of the pair from 'The National' is less than inspiring IMO.


Personally, I'd reverse that statement 180%.  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 09, 2016, 08:42:53 AM
I can't believe it's 21 years today since Jerry pegged it. Who knows, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8zLTaKxeE


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 09, 2016, 08:44:15 AM
21 Years?! Hell's Teeth!!!  :o


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on August 09, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
I was in the former colonies and saw the announcement on the telly.
I had nothing to do with his demise, I think.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on August 09, 2016, 11:19:32 AM

21 Years?! Hell's Teeth!!!  :o


I can still remember BBC news reader Brian Perkins reading a very heartfelt tribute to Jerry. It actually sounded like he really meant it- - from the heart. I wonder if it's available.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 09, 2016, 11:20:02 AM
I'd previously taken my then ladyfriend to see Cliff Richard, on the strict understanding that she would accompany me to see the Dead should they ever play again this side of the Atlantic.  Imagine her dismay when I told her of Jerry's passing...  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 09, 2016, 11:37:43 AM

I'd previously taken my then ladyfriend to see Cliff Richard, on the strict understanding that she would accompany me to see the Dead should they ever play again this side of the Atlantic.  Imagine her dismay when I told her of Jerry's passing...  ;)


She must have been something special Paul - that's one hell of undertaking!!  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 09, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
Well, I thought she was at that time. Then it all went sour. Still, water under the bridge, time's a great healer etc.

Actually, old Harry Webb put on a very entertaining career-spanning show. Not my musical taste, but very professional.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 10, 2016, 07:06:33 AM
Anniversary sale of Deadbase50.  $44.99 + shipping...pretty reasonable price if you want a physical copy https://www.amazon.com/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful/dp/069247093X?ie=UTF8&keywords=deadbase+50&qid=1436474839&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 10, 2016, 08:32:12 AM

Anniversary sale of Deadbase50.  $44.99 + shipping...pretty reasonable price if you want a physical copy https://www.amazon.com/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful/dp/069247093X?ie=UTF8&keywords=deadbase+50&qid=1436474839&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1


Having lived with it in both physical & Kindle versions, it is a thing of wonder. However, I have to say that overall it's a bit disappointing.

The hard copy is so unwieldy and awkward to handle & kindle version is difficult to navigate as it's not searchable. I have to keep a hard copy index to get to where I want to be more quickly.

My biggest criticism is that all the updates have not been integrated with previous listings, thus rendering the whole thing annoyingly unmanageable. Effectively, it's Deadbase XI with a massive appendix, which ought to have been issued as a stand alone coda to the series.

If you can pick up cheap  & this ain't cheap, go for it. Otherwise, there are plenty of online resources that could answer most queries.





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 10, 2016, 06:00:09 PM


Anniversary sale of Deadbase50.  $44.99 + shipping...pretty reasonable price if you want a physical copy https://www.amazon.com/DeadBase-50-Celebrating-Years-Grateful/dp/069247093X?ie=UTF8&keywords=deadbase+50&qid=1436474839&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1


Having lived with it in both physical & Kindle versions, it is a thing of wonder. However, I have to say that overall it's a bit disappointing.

The hard copy is so unwieldy and awkward to handle & kindle version is difficult to navigate as it's not searchable. I have to keep a hard copy index to get to where I want to be more quickly.

My biggest criticism is that all the updates have not been integrated with previous listings, thus rendering the whole thing annoyingly unmanageable. Effectively, it's Deadbase XI with a massive appendix, which ought to have been issued as a stand alone coda to the series.

If you can pick up cheap  & this ain't cheap, go for it. Otherwise, there are plenty of online resources that could answer most queries.






I'm happy enough with my $1.99 Kindle version tbh (even though it is unsearchable).  I doubt you'll get the hard copy cheaper than this, mind....


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 22, 2016, 08:58:02 PM
A track from Weir's upcoming album.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVoFniQnYQ4

The documentary "The Other One: The Long Strange Trip Of Bob Weir" is worth a watch. Available to download. or so I hear.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 23, 2016, 07:23:19 AM

A track from Weir's upcoming album.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVoFniQnYQ4

The documentary "The Other One: The Long Strange Trip Of Bob Weir" is worth a watch. Available to download. or so I hear.


Excellent track.  Thanks for posting Ian.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 23, 2016, 07:29:35 AM
I was pleasantly surprised by that one.  Fingers crossed for the rest of the album  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 23, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
I like that... reverb guitars & production remind me a little of the first Daniel Lanois album.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on August 24, 2016, 04:56:00 PM
Just spotted this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001XQ8ZYI/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk

Digital version of the "So Many Roads" 5CD set - 42 tracks covering 1965-1995 for £14 !  

I reckon a fair few of the tracks have appeared elsewhere, however, on genuine and, er, "unauthorised" releases.  Indeed I have some of them myself... obviously not a true Deadhead then, as I'd have ALL of them!  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on August 26, 2016, 08:37:05 AM

Just spotted this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001XQ8ZYI/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk

Digital version of the "So Many Roads" 5CD set - 42 tracks covering 1965-1995 for £14 !  



That's a good score, Paul, well spotted. It's a really excellent selection spanning their entire career & something I return to regularly. Highly recommended.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on August 26, 2016, 10:39:42 AM


Just spotted this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001XQ8ZYI/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk

Digital version of the "So Many Roads" 5CD set - 42 tracks covering 1965-1995 for £14 !  



That's a good score, Paul, well spotted. It's a really excellent selection spanning their entire career & something I return to regularly. Highly recommended.  :)


Probably my favourite Dead box set which I had at the time, sold and then fortuitously found again in a charity shop for 8 of your English pounds a couple of years ago  :)  


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 05, 2016, 02:16:54 PM
Just because... (three quarters of an hour of 'dead air and banter')  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFA6v71MWM


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 05, 2016, 03:24:17 PM

Just because... (three quarters of an hour of 'dead air and banter')  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFA6v71MWM


That'll nicely complement the '77 Tunings disc.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 08, 2016, 07:37:41 PM
Another track - 'Gonesville' - previewed from Weir's new album.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-bob-weir-find-loose-country-groove-on-gonesville-w438333


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on September 12, 2016, 10:24:43 PM
More Weir:

http://www.npr.org/sections/world-cafe/2016/09/12/493311611/hear-a-new-bob-weir-song-lay-my-lily-down

This is shaping up nicely.  :)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on September 13, 2016, 04:47:15 PM
Yep, sounds like a fine album is on its way.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on September 23, 2016, 08:48:12 PM

 I'm not really a fan, but thought this might interest those who are.... :)

(http://shop.realgonemusic.com/collections/sale?page=4)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on September 24, 2016, 07:48:22 AM


 I'm not really a fan, but thought this might interest those who are.... :)

(http://shop.realgonemusic.com/collections/sale?page=4)


Nothing there Ian!  ???


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Ian_ on September 24, 2016, 10:18:51 AM

 Yes, I thought Grateful Dead fans would inevitably be drawn to an existential conundrum.... O0

 (No, sorry. Here is the link http://shop.realgonemusic.com/collections/sale/sale?page=4  :-[


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 25, 2016, 04:37:07 PM
For those with deep pockets

https://www.popmarket.com/products/merl-saunders-jerry-garcia-keystone-companions-the-complete-fantasy-recordings-of-merl-saunders-deluxe-180g-6lp-vinyl-box-set?utm_source=Daily_Deal&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email%20%7C%2020160924%20%7C%20Jerry_Garcia


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on September 26, 2016, 01:58:15 AM
Well, just an hour ago, our coach drove right down Haight, crossed Ashbury, past Buena Vista Park... Fortunately, t'other half was well impressed with the period buildings, so guess where we will be headed tomorrow?!  ;D


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on September 26, 2016, 09:52:49 AM

Well, just an hour ago, our coach drove right down Haight, crossed Ashbury, past Buena Vista Park... Fortunately, t'other half was well impressed with the period buildings, so guess where we will be headed tomorrow?!  ;D


Sadly, I don't think you can sit on the steps any more...the owners have a gate across the front now.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: sliprigilio (Al) on September 26, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
Take a look at the Airplane mansion  (2400 Fulton) which is close by. Check out Amoeba records as well ( I had a shopping spree in there..!).  If you're staying over night you could check out 'The Red Victorian' hotel which is quite interesting..

Cheers,

A very envious Slippy
 8)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jim on September 26, 2016, 12:27:06 PM

Well, just an hour ago, our coach drove right down Haight, crossed Ashbury, past Buena Vista Park... Fortunately, t'other half was well impressed with the period buildings, so guess where we will be headed tomorrow?!  ;D


Disneyland?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 02, 2016, 07:54:48 AM
Well, we didn't get to see the Airplane house or the Dead's, as it was extremely hot in SF, but I did pick up the Dead Closing of Winterland DVD and R<'s Shoot out The lights cd from Amoeba. Got Weir's new cd yesterday, had it on in the car... very good it is too, IMO.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 14, 2016, 08:47:03 AM
Here's a thing. Pity that it's so late for us on this side of the pond. (1AM by my reckoning)  :)

http://nugs.tv/Bob-Weir-Capitol-Theater-Webcast-2016.asp





Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 16, 2016, 06:46:34 PM
Tickets available for the "Live Dead 69" gig at Chelsea football ground.  :)

https://utb.ticketabc.com/events/live-dead-69/



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 17, 2016, 08:17:35 AM
Here's the free Bob Weir stream to watch back. I've watched half of it so far, and it sounds mighty fine to me!

http://nugs.tv/    I hope that link works for you.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on October 17, 2016, 10:46:35 AM
Yep, that works! Thanks Pete!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 17, 2016, 01:03:24 PM
The Robin pour moi.

http://www.therobin.co.uk/whats_on/giginfo.asp?gigid=4759


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on October 28, 2016, 07:08:29 AM
For those interested 30 Days Of The Dead returns !!

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/grateful_dead_return_with_30_days_of_dead_2016


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on October 28, 2016, 09:14:55 AM

For those interested 30 Days Of The Dead returns !!

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/grateful_dead_return_with_30_days_of_dead_2016


Hurrah.  :)

Plus, Dave's Picks 20 has just been announced:

http://dead.net/store/1980s/daves-picks-volume-20?intcmp=home/carousel1



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on October 31, 2016, 11:09:34 AM
Never the same after the break....This view will have it's detractors, but I'm with Phil http://www.jambase.com/article/phil-lesh-grateful-dead-never-quite-1975


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 15, 2016, 07:33:43 PM
I'd forgotten about about this until it turned up on my YouTube page. It's probably been posted before.

Lowell George singing lead and playiing on outakes of 'Good Lovin'', there's also a version of 'I Need A Miracle' with him too. Superb stuff IMO.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytY-XhvE0tE


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 16, 2016, 01:52:10 PM

Never the same after the break....This view will have it's detractors, but I'm with Phil http://www.jambase.com/article/phil-lesh-grateful-dead-never-quite-1975


It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.

Possibly a combination of not indulging in common experience & the increase in use of various, nastier & less conducive substances conspired to constrain them from maintaining their unique standard of performance. Alternatively, maybe it was just that their moment had passed

Certainly, there are plenty of patches of fabulous output in subsequent years & even to the end they could turn in outstanding shows, albeit with less frequency, but in general, I also agree with Phil.

 


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 16, 2016, 02:51:59 PM

It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.  


It blows my mind that people can be together enough to play music at all on LSD, never mind play cohesively within the confines of a band (even one as loose as the Dead).

Jules


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 16, 2016, 03:03:45 PM


It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.  


It blows my mind that people can be together enough to play music at all on LSD, never mind play cohesively within the confines of a band (even one as loose as the Dead).

Jules


I agree with that entirely.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 16, 2016, 04:56:37 PM



It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.  


It blows my mind that people can be together enough to play music at all on LSD, never mind play cohesively within the confines of a band (even one as loose as the Dead).

Jules


I agree with that entirely.


They'd had a lot of practice.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on November 16, 2016, 06:43:12 PM




It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.  


It blows my mind that people can be together enough to play music at all on LSD, never mind play cohesively within the confines of a band (even one as loose as the Dead).

Jules


I agree with that entirely.


They'd had a lot of practice.


Perhaps Owsley produced a special weakened version for show time!  :P


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Alan2 on November 17, 2016, 04:51:15 PM


It may not be entirely unconnected to their changinging consumption habits. From what I've read, the Lindley Meadows, Golden Gate Pak SF outdoor gig on 28th September 1975 (one of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" shows), was last occasion the band collectively used LSD on stage.  


It blows my mind that people can be together enough to play music at all on LSD, never mind play cohesively within the confines of a band (even one as loose as the Dead).

Jules


I think this too. Carlos Santana allegedly was on acid @ Woodstock. Personally, I used to find going to the shops, or making a cup of tea in that state all a bit complicated.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on November 17, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
Talking of Owsley...this looks essential https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bear-Times-Augustus-Owsley-Stanley/dp/1250081211


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 28, 2016, 08:02:21 PM
Nugs.net are having a 24 hour sale of Dead & Company & Phil & Friends CDs (-25%) & downloads (-50%). Other artists are available, including the (relatively) recent Broooce Euro tour.  :)

Dead stuff: http://livedead.co/default.aspx

Phil & Friends: http://livedownloads.com/live-music/3%2C424/Phil-Lesh-mp3-flac-downloads.html

Front page: http://nugs.net/#


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 17, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
I have (well, I don't but it's staring at me from 4 feet away waiting for me to do something with it for a mate) a, possibly unique and unopened (as in, still sealed in its delivery box) copy of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings.

No idea what it's worth, but I guess we'll find out...


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 17, 2016, 05:04:03 PM

I have (well, I don't but it's staring at me from 4 feet away waiting for me to do something with it for a mate) a, possibly unique and unopened (as in, still sealed in its delivery box) copy of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings.

No idea what it's worth, but I guess we'll find out...


A very good pal on this site sorted me out with a copy of this gem a while ago. I'm forever Grateful.  ;)


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 17, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
Here's a bargain...surely it's got to be worth £2!

http://www.theworks.co.uk/p/music-books/relix-the-book---music-for-the-mind/9780879309862


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on December 17, 2016, 06:39:11 PM
Sure is - I got a copy a few months ago!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on December 17, 2016, 06:40:01 PM

Here's a bargain...surely it's got to be worth £2!

http://www.theworks.co.uk/p/music-books/relix-the-book---music-for-the-mind/9780879309862


Thanks David. Currently out of stock but I've asked to be informed when available again.
A superb find!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 17, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
Oh, that's a shame...Glad I bagged one a few minutes earlier, then!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: PaulT on December 17, 2016, 06:56:06 PM

I have (well, I don't but it's staring at me from 4 feet away waiting for me to do something with it for a mate) a, possibly unique and unopened (as in, still sealed in its delivery box) copy of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings.

No idea what it's worth, but I guess we'll find out...


Cheapest on eBay is c.£650 (+ P&P)  :o



Title: Re: Grateful Dead - where next?
Post by: davidmjs on December 18, 2016, 07:26:34 AM


I have (well, I don't but it's staring at me from 4 feet away waiting for me to do something with it for a mate) a, possibly unique and unopened (as in, still sealed in its delivery box) copy of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings.

No idea what it's wo