Nick
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« on: June 20, 2008, 10:45:05 AM » |
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The slowing down of Roots was indicative of what I feel about a lot of folk rock (what little I know about it): it doesn't really groove, it's all too frantic and rigid. there's no space.
This question is not really aimed at Simon, rather it's one for the rest of Talkawhile: Collectively, Talkawhilers know their Folk Rock - and we're good at arguing the relative merits of different stuff by different bands. So, based on Simon's preference for slower and more open music, lets see what's there: Which Folk Rock tracks do we think have space? Which tracks 'groove'? And which tracks would benefit from being given a Simon Emmerson groove treatment? Cheers Nick |
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 10:54:44 AM » |
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Well now, if you want "groove" from a "folk" performer, my vote goes to, of course, John Martyn and band. They groove like bastards. They leave space like bastards and there's definitely nothing rigid involved.
Then again, John Martyn would probably give you the Glasgow kiss if you called what he did "folk rock". But, could you add a fiddle to it, do you think?
Yep. Chris Leslie would have a go for one.
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David W
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 10:59:55 AM » |
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Sailors Life is one of the sparsest I think - I could really imagine that being worked on a bit
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 11:03:53 AM » |
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Yeah, there's plenty of songs that could groove.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 11:06:56 AM » |
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Sailors Life is one of the sparsest I think - I could really imagine that being worked on a bit
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I'm not sure that it actually grooves though but I'm not clear what we really mean by the term. Something like On The Edge by the Oysterband or dare I say even Cropredy Capers/The Frog Up The Pump from Fairport's Gottle O Gear would probably fit my definition. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 11:11:40 AM » |
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Fishermans Blues by the Waterboys
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 11:21:26 AM » |
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Come All Ye. Swings like the Clappers. If I've understood the concept correctly. Anything with de-diddly after Dum Dum Dum is ok with me.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 11:21:46 AM » |
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I've always wondered how 'The Lobster' might have developed if it had ever been redone. Probably FolkJazz. Or FolkProg Actually I've never really got the hang of Folk Rock either  |
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 11:30:52 AM » |
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Holy God Almighty the Lord High King of Glory and All the Angels and Saints preserve us.!!!!!! No, please No! That's a step too far  |
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 11:34:44 AM » |
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Fishermans Blues by the Waterboys
good call hicks. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 11:35:30 AM » |
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and i'm a folky rockster and I am groove  |
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 11:57:53 AM » |
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FolkProg
Holy God Almighty the Lord High King of Glory and All the Angels and Saints preserve us.!!!!!! No, please No! That's a step too far Where is your sense of adventure Rory? |
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Amethyst (Jenny)
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 12:07:34 PM » |
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A lot of the Aggies stuff really grooves |
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 12:11:01 PM » |
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Pentangle, it could be argued, did folkprog as well as folkjazz.
The Aggies certainly can groove, I think they get that from their guitarist.
Now, when it comes to folkhiphop...
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 12:14:35 PM » |
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One of the big daddy tunes of folk rock Matty Groves grooves. "Matty Grooves" indeed! Tam Lin too.
The Waterboys, as have been noted, often have a swing in their step when playing trad or trad influenced material.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 12:15:29 PM » |
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The music from Spring/Autumn Watch.. that grooves too...
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 12:17:13 PM » |
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The music from Spring/Autumn Watch.. that grooves too...
yes indeedy! And whilst we're at it - how about some of Seth Lakeman or Bellowhead? I quite like a bit of AcidJazzFolk in the evenings  |
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 12:22:58 PM » |
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may i stick my neck out and suggest that simon's definition of groovin may be quite different from a lot of other people's?  |
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2008, 12:52:36 PM » |
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Dangerous stuff groovin', it can easily lapse into noodlin' and I hate noodlin'.  The finest/only exponent of folk/jazz/prog/rock/groove is Pentangle (in all it's forms). |
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but BEING PAID -- what will compare with it? |
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2008, 01:02:14 PM » |
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most of the above mentioned choons swing rather than groove,imho eg "fishermans blues" and "come all ye" swing like bitches but something like "got to give it up" by Marvin Gaye is a stone groove  btw Simon, while im not too well up on afro celts i did see a bit of film a year or two ago on tv when Desi Donnelly was in the band and the indian(?) drummer and it was wonderful, some of the best stuff ive seen on tv for ages, now that swung and grooved |
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