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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2010, 05:37:55 PM » |
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Are the outer rims of these cds painted green?
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2010, 05:58:58 PM » |
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Early digital was a big step back in terms of sonic quality when compared to analog mastered vinyl. CD 's were an improvement only in terms of convienence. CD's sound vastly better today and the gap has narrowed significantly. Don't go down that road comparing specifications such as dynamic range, the difference between redbook and DSD (SACD) is a wide chasm IMO. Physical media as a deliverable is dying and high resolution downloads are the future among the audiophile community.
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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2010, 06:44:39 PM » |
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Physical media as a deliverable is dying and high resolution downloads are the future among the audiophile community.
Which takes us neatly back to
They are single-layer, stereo-only SACDs pressed on special SHM discs utilizing high-quality polycarbonate material originally developed for LCD panels for the ultimate audiophile experience.
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« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2010, 07:26:18 PM » |
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And what is your answer to the blatant codswallop about "...pressed on special SHM discs utilizing high-quality polycarbonate material originally developed for LCD panels for the ultimate audiophile experience".
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« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2010, 08:04:46 PM » |
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Although this release falls into the heading of physical media, it is not PCM digital but direct stream digital (i.e., SACD) and clearly falls into the category of high resolution. DSD is not available as a downloadable format. As a point of fact this relrease is unique in that it the only high res format available in physical media with the exception of blue ray audio-only which is a nacent format.
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« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2010, 08:05:25 PM » |
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**** me, I listen to music, not run it through a spectrum analyser. If I wanted it to sound perfect I'd have to kill all other living things within 5 miles of my house so they couldn't make a noise, shoot down any planes daft enough to join the stack for Stansted and find some way of neutralising wind noise (probably cutting all the trees down would help). And then not breathe at all for the duration of each song. And stop my heart beating.
All of which would rather defeat the object.
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« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2010, 08:28:14 PM » |
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**** me, I listen to music, not run it through a spectrum analyser. If I wanted it to sound perfect I'd have to kill all other living things within 5 miles of my house so they couldn't make a noise, shoot down any planes daft enough to join the stack for Stansted and find some way of neutralising wind noise (probably cutting all the trees down would help). And then not breathe at all for the duration of each song. And stop my heart beating.
All of which would rather defeat the object.
at least 50% of my listening is in the car with me singing along much to the irritation of any passengers. so non physical methods of delivery will have to fight with the 2 litre diesel engine, the road noise and sundry interruptions from the world outside |
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« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2010, 09:08:24 PM » |
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Although this release falls into the heading of physical media, it is not PCM digital but direct stream digital (i.e., SACD) and clearly falls into the category of high resolution. DSD is not available as a downloadable format. As a point of fact this relrease is unique in that it the only high res format available in physical media with the exception of blue ray audio-only which is a nacent format.
I would reckon that anybody who would be listening with ears that fearsome would not be listening to the music at all, but more likely be concentrating on trying to hear noises in the silence behind the music...  |
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2010, 09:38:01 PM » |
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I would reckon that anybody who would be listening with ears that fearsome would not be listening to the music at all, but more likely be concentrating on trying to hear noises in the silence behind the music... That's very deep for a thursday evening, Jude! |
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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2010, 09:42:09 PM » |
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I would reckon that anybody who would be listening with ears that fearsome would not be listening to the music at all, but more likely be concentrating on trying to hear noises in the silence behind the music... That's very deep for a thursday evening, Jude! I know. I frighten myself sometimes.... |
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« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2010, 09:51:16 PM » |
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So what kind of mindblowing expanded extraextraextra-audiophile release will Liege & Lief have next year?
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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2010, 12:47:00 AM » |
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I do not understand what all this is about. Liege and Lief is what it is and of its time. The quality of the muscianship and the songs cannot be improved upon by fiddling about with all this. Leave it as it is!  |
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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2010, 01:59:41 AM » |
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For anyone to be able to take any serious advantage of this stuff, they would need to firstly concentrate on the most vital & expensive bit of hifi equipment.... the room they are listening in.
I live in a small house, which is incredibly cluttered. The living room is also quite small. My speakers, while as good as I'm likely to get for smallish ones (Mordaunt-short if you're interested) are not on nice expensive stands. They are on furniture on the left & a heap of boxes on the right & are too close to the corners for best sound. The room is full of books, CDs, pressed glass candlesticks & other stuff that Jilly collects & on top of that, it has an open plan staircase against the back wall.
When I listen to CDs, I either play them on the DVD player, or on the computer, both of which are fed through the hifi. I do not have surround sound. No room for it. Stereo will do.
Most of the time I listen to mp3s, as it's a heck of a lot easier to find stuff on the computer than amongst the boxes & boxes of CDs, which have the right-hand speaker stood on top of them anyway.
Buying this new format would be a much cheaper option that fixing all of the above, but then it wouldn't actually sound any better would it? LOL
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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2010, 07:53:21 AM » |
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I do not understand what all this is about. Liege and Lief is what it is and of its time. The quality of the muscianship and the songs cannot be improved upon by fiddling about with all this. Leave it as it is! I'm tempted to say "Right On" Big Dave. What you say make such common sense. But there again, I'm one of those daft bu**ers who splashed loads of dosh on Beatles Vinyl, then tape, then CD and then Remastered... For the record (no pun intended) I listen to most stuff on Mp3 via the computer. Except the Remastered of course, 'cos there would have been no point splashing the cash in the first place... Out of interest, is there anywhere where one can listen to a sample of this SHM-SACD format, or would there be no point 'cos my speakers are different to yours... ? |
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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2010, 08:30:35 AM » |
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Don't go down that road comparing specifications such as dynamic range, the difference between redbook and DSD (SACD) is a wide chasm IMO.
Yes there is a wide chasm between the specifications, but CDs already exceed the theoretical limitations of recording by a huge margin (especially 1970s recording). My contention is that the difference in specification between a CD and SACD will achieve nothing. The difference is that the SACD will have been mastered to sound best in an ideal listening environment, whereas the CD mastering will be a compromise. I'm wondering if they put the same data on both layers of an SACD and then could you tell the difference when played on a CD or SACD player. |
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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2010, 08:48:44 AM » |
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smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors
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« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2010, 09:06:53 AM » |
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With added clicks and pops???... |
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« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2010, 09:14:46 AM » |
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smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors
and people with too much money
Jim you're a cynical bastard. I've just replaced my speaker cables with ones made of oxide free, silver plated, unobtainium and bound in unicorn hair. I'm seeing a 61% improvement in my 'sonic quality'. |
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« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2010, 09:47:32 AM » |
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Jim you're a cynical bastard. I've just replaced my speaker cables with ones made of oxide free, silver plated, unobtainium and bound in unicorn hair. I'm seeing a 61% improvement in my 'sonic quality'. I'm waiting for the mkII's coming out in the new year. |
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« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2010, 11:49:59 AM » |
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**** me, I listen to music, not run it through a spectrum analyser. If I wanted it to sound perfect I'd have to kill all other living things within 5 miles of my house so they couldn't make a noise, shoot down any planes daft enough to join the stack for Stansted and find some way of neutralising wind noise (probably cutting all the trees down would help). And then not breathe at all for the duration of each song. And stop my heart beating.
All of which would rather defeat the object.
at least 50% of my listening is in the car with me singing along much to the irritation of any passengers. so non physical methods of delivery will have to fight with the 2 litre diesel engine, the road noise and sundry interruptions from the world outside Which is exactly why it would amuse me to have DM's current thundrous drum sound on a version of Liege & Lief  |
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