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« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2005, 07:22:55 AM » |
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Yes, hopefully the internet will also provide a means of independant artists selling their music? The current price of around £10/12 is o.k. That's without dealer and record company cuts! Trouble is, for every one CD that is sold where it's production costs are recouped, there are probably another ten or more that don't!
I have given this issue a lot of thought and I have personal ideas that I don't really wish to discuss here. These involve techniques that makes making copying more difficult. But to find a system that is absolutely faultless is almost impossible.
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« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2005, 01:37:54 PM » |
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Umm for what it's worth, it is hard enough for most artists to get paid any sales royalties from record companies especially when the catalogue has been sold several times over and obviously each new company wants to recoup the money spent on acquiring the catalogue. They don't have the inclination to track down the bands involved from early catalogues. And those bands certainly don't have the legal clout or the money to fund legal costs for what might be a trivial amount to a record co. but a helpful amount to the artist. This is a bit off topic probably, but I do feel that copies made and passed on do affect sales. Actually I'm just having a grumble here as I am trying to track lost stuff. It's all very well being a lost legend  , but a broke lost legend is not much fun. Jude I have a vague recollection of hearing about a website that is supposed to help artists track missing royalties. I really can't remember anything more and I have a feeling it was relying on record companies volunteering information. Perhaps the Musician's Union can help. Clive |
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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2005, 01:48:17 PM » |
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www.royaltiesreunited.co.uk is the name of the website.
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« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2005, 01:52:54 PM » |
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Nothing comes free, and any new web based idea/company that is allegedly working "for" the writer, is actually only doing a job (or part of a job) for a fee or % of the writers/artists due money or royalty.
It's hard when your sales are only a few thousand. Thats where it becomes harder to recoup royalties. They get lost in the system and appear insignificant to major labels and PRS.
If you want a job doing, do it yourself. Why do you think F.C., Tull, SoH, etc. do it solo?
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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2005, 01:57:56 PM » |
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Hmmm... looks good. Not sure how it works? They claim it does not cost you anything to find out if you are due royalties. But I'm suspicious there is a catch. Trouble is, this only works if you get repeated air play. Lots of it.  |
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2005, 02:10:17 PM » |
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mmm well the initiative has been set up by Phonographic Performance Limited - PPL, PAMRA, AURA, Equity, MU and MPG. it was done to try to find certain performers who were due royalty payments and couldn't be traced. so I don't think that there is a catch?
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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2005, 02:17:39 PM » |
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I am already a member of PAMRA & PPL but it looks like a useful website
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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2005, 02:56:45 PM » |
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Lets hope so? It's rare!  |
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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2005, 10:23:09 PM » |
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It's not Fairport I'm thinking of here, but, let's use The Beatles as an example. Albums much shorter than current CD's are sold at £9.99 or more when I remember buying them on vinyl at Woolies for 7/6". Thats 37.5p - in their heyday. How can anyone justify £9.99?
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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2005, 10:29:58 PM » |
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No, really, I mean 'Catch 22' - it's so old school now. I photocopied the whole thing for a friend just the other day so he wouldn't have to buy the paperback....  |
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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2005, 07:19:15 PM » |
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Yes, hopefully the internet will also provide a means of independant artists selling their music?
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I saw Chris Smithers last year at Trowbridge, and then on the BBC coverage of the Sidmouth Festival. The Beeb interviewed him and he talked about how the internet has helped him make a living. He said he can make a living now by performing and selling stuff on the web, without the need for a recording contract. How good a living I don't know, he did't say, but he looked happy enough.  Steve |
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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2005, 08:54:32 PM » |
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Thanks Steve, It seems that it's becoming more common. Mark |
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« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2005, 10:31:17 AM » |
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I remember reading about the Beeb attempting to trace the accordionist who had recorded the "Captain Pugwash" title music. Apparently, they owed him hundreds of thousands, but had no record of who he was or where he lived.
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« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2005, 09:30:29 PM » |
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I remember reading about the Beeb attempting to trace the accordionist who had recorded the "Captain Pugwash" title music. Apparently, they owed him hundreds of thousands, but had no record of who he was or where he lived.
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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2005, 03:36:49 PM » |
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people might stop getting round copy protection when artists and record compamies stop treating the record buying public like shite
for instance the Finn Brothers new cd is about to be re released with a bonus dvd and extra tracks,thanks emi
i wish i'd downloaded it now
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« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2005, 05:00:36 PM » |
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people might stop getting round copy protection when artists and record compamies stop treating the record buying public like shite
for instance the Finn Brothers new cd is about to be re released with a bonus dvd and extra tracks,thanks emi
i wish i'd downloaded it now Surely that's good of the record company? Giving those that purchase it something extra for doing so?....  Or did you mean re-release?.....  |
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« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2005, 06:02:55 PM » |
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There are those albums that you buy on CD when they come out.
A few months later there is the enhanced version, and a bit later the enhanced enhanced version. Yes you get more tracks etc, but you have to buy the damn thing again to get them!
Not to mention the CD's you buy at full price when they come out, only to find them at £4.99 or so a while later.
Do I learn?
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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2005, 06:40:52 PM » |
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I think Jim meant, he bought the CD without the extras? Only to not get them on the re-released copy? |
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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2005, 08:21:01 PM » |
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Mark is right,being a fan of all things Finn I bought the cd on release and it doesnt half brass me off when record companys pull this sort of stunt
i assume that the artists are informed about this, so this particular rip off happens with their blessing
i'm not too bothered about cds appearing, after a couple of months, at hugely reduced prices ,becuase i know that discounting after a period of grace nearly always happens but if its a record i want, then, am i prepared to wait and see?
usually not
the fact is most of these extras are not worth bothering with,watch once,never again
how many people bought paul maccartneys new version of let it be with the bonus disc and managed to listen to the bonus disc all the way through,not many i'll bet
stilll irks thoughbut
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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2005, 08:52:50 PM » |
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i assume that the artists are informed about this, so this particular rip off happens with their blessing I doubt it..... I bet contracts for albums give the artist no say at all in any re-release....I know Fairport's didn't - even in the good ol' days when they got semi-decent dosh for Liege & lief....  |
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