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Author Topic: Where is Lord Barnard/Matty Groves set?  (Read 17120 times)
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2008, 12:05:03 PM »

I take it the lyrics 'How do you like my curtains, that I bought in Ikea last week?' weren't in the original song Grin
no they wernt, and you know fine well that the original lyrics had "the sales" where "ikea" goes

People have been hurt and died/been murdered at Ikea openings perhaps in time there will be songs about it that are absorbed into the folk idiom.

Show of Hands song The Galway Farmer by Steve Knighley is a modern example of a song that could pass into folklore as a true story.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2008, 12:23:20 PM »


Barnard castle, they have a cockwork swan you know, nice gaff


The clockwork ( and it is clockwork rather than cockwork!!) swan is actually in Bowes Museum just on the outskirts of Barnard Castle.

It operates twice daily if I remember correctly - people queue for ages to see it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2008, 12:27:29 PM »

http://www.thebowesmuseum.org.uk/collections/swan/
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2008, 12:27:50 PM »



Barnard castle, they have a cockwork swan you know, nice gaff


The clockwork ( and it is clockwork rather than cockwork!!) swan is actually in Bowes Museum just on the outskirts of Barnard Castle.

It operates twice daily if I remember correctly - people queue for ages to see it.


to see it do what?
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2008, 12:27:55 PM »



I take it the lyrics 'How do you like my curtains, that I bought in Ikea last week?' weren't in the original song Grin


no they wernt, and you know fine well that the original lyrics had "the sales" where "ikea" goes

When did 'the sales' come into it?
Because I read those lyrics lyrics originally in an American magazine called Porthole, where the parody 'Fatty Groves' had the lyrics 'How do you like my curtains that I bought in the sale last week?'.
Before that I had only heard it as 'Ikea'.
I then heard Siomon use it on a 1998 DVD of Cropredy.
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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2008, 12:40:33 PM »

Aren't they down to the bloody awful Sid Kipper?
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2008, 12:41:49 PM »


Aren't they down to the bloody awful Sid Kipper?

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2008, 12:50:52 PM »




Barnard castle, they have a cockwork swan you know, nice gaff


The clockwork ( and it is clockwork rather than cockwork!!) swan is actually in Bowes Museum just on the outskirts of Barnard Castle.

It operates twice daily if I remember correctly - people queue for ages to see it.


to see it do what?


Move about in a clockworky fashion
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2008, 01:19:56 PM »





Barnard castle, they have a cockwork swan you know, nice gaff


The clockwork ( and it is clockwork rather than cockwork!!) swan is actually in Bowes Museum just on the outskirts of Barnard Castle.

It operates twice daily if I remember correctly - people queue for ages to see it.


to see it do what?


Move about in a clockworky fashion


So what's that got to do with cockwork?

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2008, 01:55:20 PM »



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« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2008, 02:26:23 PM »


Aren't they down to the bloody awful Sid Kipper?


  Bl**dy Awful ?   Fair enough Sid may not be to everyones taste but he made me laugh so much it hurt when I saw him at the Ashcroft Arts Centre in Fareham a couple of years ago.  Grin                    
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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2008, 03:17:50 PM »

Fatty Groves is a very funny parody and the Kippers' accompanying story about how they got the song from their "Scottish" boarder during the war is very funny too.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2008, 03:55:42 PM »

Each to their own,  gents.  He's never once made me even crack a smile.
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2008, 04:05:45 PM »


Folk historians only - 'it don't matter answers' not appreciated!

I can't work it out - the earliest manuscripts are apparently border (which is not saying much as pre-17th century material was often transferred in manuscript rather than in print).  This implies the Northeast of England, Southeast of Scotland, but its earliest 17th century publications very much show it as a popular song in London.  

The events take place in Bucklesfordbury - the only place I can track down with a similar name just so happens to be where I lived as a teen - a a godforsaken street in Hitchin, Herts.

Confused! Help?


Back on topic and just musing on this really (well googling)

there is a village in Cumbria called Little Musgrave also a place in Co Durham called Barnards Castle - maybe some kind of geographical link, or at least a suggestion that thosenames may be linked with the North of England.

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2008, 05:40:29 PM »

According to Maart's Fairport song book, it's lord and lady 'Darnell'. Huh Huh
A change in the lyrics maybe?
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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2008, 07:23:28 PM »

Oh yes - that's Matty Groves is a later variant of Little Musgrave and Lady Barnard - its common for characters to change names over time in folk songs.
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2008, 01:54:47 PM »


Oh yes - that's Matty Groves is a later variant of Little Musgrave and Lady Barnard - its common for characters to change names over time in folk songs.

Did it occure in May by any chance?
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2008, 02:23:35 PM »

I love Sid Kipper too.. I find him very funny....  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2008, 08:17:08 PM »


I love Sid Kipper too.. I find him very funny....  Grin Grin Grin

I've never actually had the chance to see him.
He comes to Hitchin every year, but I've never been to see him. Sad Sad Sad
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