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Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 24, 2020, 10:37:57 AM



It is utterly brilliant.  Most of that material has never been played live better (certainly by the Floyd), and it really works as a cohesive body of work.


I like that they're doing it, but I'm not completely won over.  I don't like the singing, for starters.  And I find some of the arrangements a bit sterile and workmanlike.  It sounds like a competent pub rock band to me.

Jules


I love the singing.  There's nowt wrong with competent pub rock, but this doesn't sound like that to these ears.  It does, however, sound like a modern band though.  That (high production values, new technology, a fresh approach) is exactly why I like it.  And Mason is such a great drummer...
I've always found Guy Pratt a bit up himself but I think his and Gary Kemp's vocals are spot-on. And, yes, Nick Mason is superb.  I've watched the film three times now and will likely watch it again tonight. Not sure if it falls into the definition of madness yet but it's getting close to it...



Edit: This post was originally made in the Listening To thread. It's taken on a life of its own so now has its own topic.




Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 24, 2020, 12:30:45 PM

I've always found Guy Pratt a bit up himself but I think his and Gary Kemp's vocals are spot-on.


Really?  Because from what I've read, Guy has a reputation for being a good Guy, and funny and entertaining to boot.

Their vocals are just too damned cheerful and, well, ordinary to my ears.  Barrett, Gilmour and Wright had that very nuanced and melancholic timbre to their singing, and that's what I'm not hearing/feeling here.  I would appear to be on my own with this one though.

Jules


Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: davidmjs on November 24, 2020, 12:35:14 PM


I've always found Guy Pratt a bit up himself but I think his and Gary Kemp's vocals are spot-on.


Really?  Because from what I've read, Guy has a reputation for being a good Guy, and funny and entertaining to boot.



Not sure I've ever heard anyone ever say a bad word about him before...


Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 24, 2020, 03:46:02 PM


I've always found Guy Pratt a bit up himself but I think his and Gary Kemp's vocals are spot-on.


Really?  Because from what I've read, Guy has a reputation for being a good Guy, and funny and entertaining to boot.


This is just my opinion of him - I'm a fan of virtually everything he's worked on, and he's quite easy on the eye these days (I'm so shallow :D) I just find him a wee bit pretentious. But he plays with Pink Floyd fgs so I can give him that!  

I'm watching/listening to the film again at the moment, but for variety I watched/listened to Saucerful of Secrets at Pompey first...  ::)


Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Andy on November 24, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: davidmjs on November 24, 2020, 04:22:08 PM

Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Middle of the road Centrist and anti-Brexiteer (stood for the Renew Party)?


Title: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Jules Gray on November 24, 2020, 04:57:17 PM

I just find him a wee bit pretentious.


I'm intrigued - what's he pretentious about?

Jules


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on November 25, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
I can see why he might come across like that on the YouTube - he’s not one to waste time on the niceties, but he’s always been accomodating - if terse at times - when responding on the Twitter.


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Dan O. on November 25, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
I'm a big fan of Guy Pratt. Having read his autobiography My Bass & Other Animals, his life (certainly professionally) can pretty much be summed up by the phrase "being in the right place at the right time". Well worth a read, apparently the self-read audiobook is even better...


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 25, 2020, 02:28:15 PM


I just find him a wee bit pretentious.


I'm intrigued - what's he pretentious about?

Jules
OMG a new thread what have I started?  :-\

I'll have to think how I want to word this one Jules!


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: davidmjs on November 25, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of slicing these things off from Listening now...it always gets back on track there, and a little bit of waffly nonsense is surely better lost deep in there than highlighted in a thread of its own, isn't it?


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 25, 2020, 03:38:24 PM

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of slicing these things off from Listening now...it always gets back on track there, and a little bit of waffly nonsense is surely better lost deep in there than highlighted in a thread of its own, isn't it?
You saying I'm waffly, David?  >:(

 ;) is being waffly as bad as being pretentious? I never know  ;D



Edit: I'm joking here in case it's not obvious


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Will S on November 25, 2020, 04:52:06 PM
I just checked up on him on Wikipedia. I thought the name was familiar.  I first heard of him as a member of Icehouse in the early 80s.


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on November 25, 2020, 05:24:48 PM

I'm a big fan of Guy Pratt. Having read his autobiography My Bass & Other Animals, his life (certainly professionally) can pretty much be summed up by the phrase "being in the right place at the right time". Well worth a read, apparently the self-read audiobook is even better...



I know that’s the way he plays it, but I don’t imagine you get to play bass for Pink Floyd, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Jimmy Page, Bryan Ferry and,um, The Blockheads just by coincidentally being in the right place.  ;)


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Dan O. on November 25, 2020, 07:03:45 PM


I'm a big fan of Guy Pratt. Having read his autobiography My Bass & Other Animals, his life (certainly professionally) can pretty much be summed up by the phrase "being in the right place at the right time". Well worth a read, apparently the self-read audiobook is even better...



I know that’s the way he plays it, but I don’t imagine you get to play bass for Pink Floyd, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Jimmy Page, Bryan Ferry and,um, The Blockheads just by coincidentally being in the right place.  ;)

That's true, he's a very good player. So good he didn't actually play bass at his audition for Pink Floyd, turning up with a hangover ! :

 “Singing ‘Run Like Hell’ was my audition. I actually turned up after a really big night. I was in terrible shape and was like, ‘I’ve f**kin’ blown it.’ But it was actually because I was so battered that I sang it fantastically. If I was rested, I’d probably have been way too self-conscious. David asked me to go back for a second audition and he was like, ‘OK, sing it again.’ I was like, ‘Why? I’ve done it once.’ Even though I was terrified, I was coming off as cocky. David was like, ‘F**k this guy. I’ll risk him.’

I never actually played bass at the auditions. All I did was sing ‘Run Like Hell.’ I don’t know what that says about what David thinks about the complexity of Pink Floyd bass playing. He was just like, ‘I know you can play the bass.’“


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on November 25, 2020, 07:12:53 PM
“These are tough times for a cocksman, Guy”  :D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: blagden on November 25, 2020, 08:12:10 PM

Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Don't get the relevance of his political preferences.


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Andy on November 26, 2020, 01:09:28 AM


Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Don't get the relevance of his political preferences.
Really? Oh dear.


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: blagden on November 26, 2020, 07:26:11 PM



Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Don't get the relevance of his political preferences.
Really? Oh dear.


He's a bass player in a rock n roll band, does it make him a worse musician or worse person because he doesn't share your personal political views? Do creative, inventive, responsible and innovative people who make music have to have leftish and pro-brexit views as a default position? I'm one and I don't?


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: davidmjs on November 26, 2020, 07:49:56 PM




Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Don't get the relevance of his political preferences.
Really? Oh dear.


He's a bass player in a rock n roll band, does it make him a worse musician or worse person because he doesn't share your personal political views? Do creative, inventive, responsible and innovative people who make music have to have leftish and pro-brexit views as a default position? I'm one and I don't?


The thing I find really odd about this whole debate is that actually his political position is about as middle of the road as you can possibly get.  


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: blagden on November 26, 2020, 08:15:09 PM





Guy Pratt is a great musician. Not a fan of his politics, though.


Don't get the relevance of his political preferences.
Really? Oh dear.


He's a bass player in a rock n roll band, does it make him a worse musician or worse person because he doesn't share your personal political views? Do creative, inventive, responsible and innovative people who make music have to have leftish and pro-brexit views as a default position? I'm one and I don't?


The thing I find really odd about this whole debate is that actually his political position is about as middle of the road as you can possibly get.  


Agreed but my point is should any of this matter or is the default position that as a musician you have to leftish or/and pro brexit views or be subject to some of the comments above - should we not be a bit more inclusive than this?


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: davidmjs on November 27, 2020, 07:42:51 AM

Agreed but my point is should any of this matter or is the default position that as a musician you have to leftish or/and pro brexit views or be subject to some of the comments above - should we not be a bit more inclusive than this?


I normally try and stick to the 'love the art, not the artist' maxim (my favourite artist is Eric Gill ffs), but that does fall by the wayside, sometimes.  Put it this way, I won't be buying any new Ian Brown or Morrissey product...  ;)


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 27, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
I really don't care about people's political views - if I like their music/art/writings/films I like it. Period. My only intolerance is for people like Gary Glitter and Ian Watkins (Lost Prophets). Other than that I'll happily listen to Ted Nugent one minute and The Levellers the next...   :o

Politics is just opinions (example "Guy Pratt is a bit pretentious"!!) I believe true tolerance means we accept others as they are, whatever their views.  Question them, of course. Discuss them, try to change their mind, but don't cancel them!


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Andy on November 27, 2020, 10:33:43 AM
It's a real problem for me, sometimes. Do I like Eric Gill's work? Yes. Do I like the more controversial aspects of his life? No.

Similarly, I have problems with philanthropists who were also slave traders. Not in favour of having statues put up to them. Taking them down or adding plaques with information on their misdeeds is, in my mind, appropriate.

Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter, Benjamin Britten, Jonathan King, all had inappropriate relationships (not to mention immoral). Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein and Chuck Berry have all produced work that I enjoyed at the time. Do their misdeeds tarnish their work? I'd say so.

It's an awful dilemma.

(...and no, I'm not being "holier than thou", at least, not intentionally)


Title: Re: Guy Pratt ... Pretentious? Moi?
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 27, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
I agree Andy it is a dilemma. I was at many a party in the 80's when we happily stomped along to a Gary Glitter number. Only a decade or so ago I sang at the Albert Hall with an all-star cast including Rolf, who managed to touch most of us girls inappropriately - one even laughed it off remarking "most of these old showbusiness-types are like that - dirty old men" as an excuse for his behaviour!

Re the statues, I believe most of them were erected because of their philanthropic work building theatres, schools, libraries etc not to celebrate their use of slaves. That needs to be made clear with a plaque or similar information board. Great to see Wales is to have a statue of Betty Campbell MBE, Wales' first black head teacher :) She was a local hero when I was growing up!