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Title: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Giving David Crosby Graham Nash a listen. Or is it Graham Nash David Crosby? Nash's Blacknotes has to be one of the most irritating songs he's ever written.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 11:24:48 AM

Giving David Crosby Graham Nash a listen. Or is it Graham Nash David Crosby? Nash's Blacknotes has to be one of the most irritating songs he's ever written.


It's mercifully short though.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 11:46:49 AM
Wildflowers & All The Rest - Tom Petty. A really fine expanded boxed set of Tom's best solo album (best album period?). Couldn't afford the 5 disc version though.  :(

Also

Licht - Nena. Nena is now 60 and has just put out a really strong album, one of the best of her long career. Certainly her best album for more than a decade. Effortlessly tuneful and modern sounding without succumbing to modishness or trendiness. This will become a favourite.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on October 20, 2020, 12:00:38 PM


Giving David Crosby Graham Nash a listen. Or is it Graham Nash David Crosby? Nash's Blacknotes has to be one of the most irritating songs he's ever written.


It's mercifully short though.

Jules


There's several to choose from, although I'll admit I've warmed to both him and his music as I've got older.  Be careful of Innocent Eyes, surely one of the worst albums ever made.  To think I bought that and Neil's Landing on Water on the same day.  Both monstrosities!


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 12:08:24 PM



Giving David Crosby Graham Nash a listen. Or is it Graham Nash David Crosby? Nash's Blacknotes has to be one of the most irritating songs he's ever written.


It's mercifully short though.

Jules


There's several to choose from, although I'll admit I've warmed to both him and his music as I've got older.  Be careful of Innocent Eyes, surely one of the worst albums ever made.  To think I bought that and Neil's Landing on Water on the same day.  Both monstrosities!


I still love Landing On Water.  ;D I'll take it over Trans and Ev'rybody's Rockin any day


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
I've found a C&N compilation called Homeward Through The Haze on Spotify that came out last year. Looks like one of these record company releases where the artists probably had little to do with it.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 12:14:15 PM

I've found a C&N compilation called Homeward Through The Haze on Spotify that came out last year. Looks like one of these record company releases where the artists probably had little to do with it.



It is a repackaging of Wind On The Water under a different name. This has happened loads of times with that album since the label, abc went bust. Not sure who subsequently owns the rights but it is constantly relicensed in a bid to catch people out who already have it. Bit like some of the Woodworm era Fairport albums.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 12:23:24 PM


I've found a C&N compilation called Homeward Through The Haze on Spotify that came out last year. Looks like one of these record company releases where the artists probably had little to do with it.



It is a repackaging of Wind On The Water under a different name. This has happened loads of times with that album since the label, abc went bust. Not sure who subsequently owns the rights but it is constantly relicensed in a bid to catch people out who already have it. Bit like some of the Woodworm era Fairport albums.


So it is. That's the one C&N studio album I don't have a copy of.

I see there's a compilation album Crosby & Nash Highlights which is "a shortened version of 2004's Crosby & Nash". What exactly is the point of that?  ::)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 12:37:05 PM

I still love Landing On Water.  ;D I'll take it over Trans and Ev'rybody's Rockin any day


Are you sure you want to be as forthright as saying you "love" it?  How about "can put up with it on certain days"?

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 12:38:25 PM



I've found a C&N compilation called Homeward Through The Haze on Spotify that came out last year. Looks like one of these record company releases where the artists probably had little to do with it.



It is a repackaging of Wind On The Water under a different name. This has happened loads of times with that album since the label, abc went bust. Not sure who subsequently owns the rights but it is constantly relicensed in a bid to catch people out who already have it. Bit like some of the Woodworm era Fairport albums.


So it is. That's the one C&N studio album I don't have a copy of.

I see there's a compilation album Crosby & Nash Highlights which is "a shortened version of 2004's Crosby & Nash". What exactly is the point of that?  ::)



It is my favourite from the CSN stable after the debut and Deja Vu (excluding the solo albums)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 12:39:49 PM


I still love Landing On Water.  ;D I'll take it over Trans and Ev'rybody's Rockin any day


Are you sure you want to be as forthright as saying you "love" it?  How about "can put up with it on certain days"?

Jules


Nope, I will stand by my original statement. I love it. I know nobody else does. I don't care.  ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 12:44:43 PM

Nope, I will stand by my original statement. I love it. I know nobody else does. I don't care.  ;D


Oh, you're not alone.  I used to be on a Neil Young mailing list called The Rust List.  There was a band of nutters who called themselves the RFLOW army (Rusties For Landing On Water).  It always amused me.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on October 20, 2020, 12:48:42 PM


Nope, I will stand by my original statement. I love it. I know nobody else does. I don't care.  ;D


Oh, you're not alone.  I used to be on a Neil Young mailing list called The Rust List.  There was a band of nutters who called themselves the RFLOW army (Rusties For Landing On Water).  It always amused me.

Jules


Hilarious - I think it's by far the worst album in his career (until the 21st century anyway).  Fwiw, I think  Trans is a brilliant album, and I'll strike the man that disagree...and Everybody's Rockin' is perfectly harmless ;) ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 01:14:54 PM



Nope, I will stand by my original statement. I love it. I know nobody else does. I don't care.  ;D


Oh, you're not alone.  I used to be on a Neil Young mailing list called The Rust List.  There was a band of nutters who called themselves the RFLOW army (Rusties For Landing On Water).  It always amused me.

Jules


Hilarious - I think it's by far the worst album in his career (until the 21st century anyway).  Fwiw, I think  Trans is a brilliant album, and I'll strike the man that disagree...and Everybody's Rockin' is perfectly harmless ;) ;D


Fortunately we are sufficiently geographically distant for my safety then. I like the first track and the last track. Ev'rybody's Rockin is sh1t and yes, the current century has brought forth a number of albums that I haven't even bothered with and a few I have but wish I hadn't.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 01:52:19 PM
Crosby's Thousand Roads which I did buy and then gave away. Having listened to it on Spotify just now I think I made the right call. Not one I'd rush to listen to again.

Now listening to the CSN 77 album.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 01:55:32 PM
I'll be the gentle, soothing balm between the two factions on this debate - I think Landing on Water, Ev'rybody's Rockin', and most of his latter day output are all utter pants. I'm still sitting on the fence with Trans - which is painful for everyone concerned.   ;D

I would like to qualify my opinion on Landing on Water by saying that Violent Side was a good song though.  And so was Touch the Night when Crazy Horse played it in 1984 - it was a sort of 'son of Like a Hurricane' back then.  It was, however, butchered in the studio.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 02:12:51 PM

I'll be the gentle, soothing balm between the two factions on this debate - I think Landing on Water, Ev'rybody's Rockin', and most of his latter day output are all utter pants. I'm still sitting on the fence with Trans - which is painful for everyone concerned.   ;D

I would like to qualify my opinion on Landing on Water by saying that Violent Side was a good song though.  And so was Touch the Night when Crazy Horse played it in 1984 - it was a sort of 'son of Like a Hurricane' back then.  It was, however, butchered in the studio.

Jules


What are we defining as latter day here? From 2000 - 2010 there are several albums I like, if not love; Silver & Gold, Are You Passionate?, Prairie Wind, Chrome Dreams II. Greendale & Living With War have moments. Fork In The Road is fun if not deep. After that Psychedelic Pill and Storytone are the only ones I can really justify as albums. I know you are not fond of the writing on the latter and my preference is for the acoustic disc which I think is mostly rather lovely.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 02:16:37 PM

What are we defining as latter day here? From 2000 - 2010 there are several albums I like, if not love; Silver & Gold, Are You Passionate?, Prairie Wind, Chrome Dreams II. Greendale & Living With War have moments. Fork In The Road is fun if not deep. After that Psychedelic Pill and Storytone are the only ones I can really justify as albums. I know you are not fond of the writing on the latter and my preference is for the acoustic disc which I think is mostly rather lovely.


I can't even remember half of them.  I adore Silver & Gold.  I thought Are You Passionate?, Chrome Dreams II, and Psychedelic Pill all flirted with being good, yet were still patchy.  The rest I either found dull, or clunky, or I haven't even bothered hearing.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 02:26:13 PM
Now that this chunk of thread has been moved and given its own corner, might I suggest a name change?  I'm not sure that "Crosby Nash" quite fits the bill.

How about: "Crosby, Nash, Young & possibly Stills"?

 ;D

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on October 20, 2020, 02:46:54 PM

I can't even remember half of them


This.  Says it all.  I've tried to convince myself to like so many of the Neil albums of the 21st century, but it literally isn't worth the effort....


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Nick on October 20, 2020, 03:45:52 PM

Now that this chunk of thread has been moved and given its own corner, might I suggest a name change?  I'm not sure that "Crosby Nash" quite fits the bill.

How about: "Crosby, Nash, Young & possibly Stills"?

 ;D

Jules


Young, Young, Stills, Nash, Crosby, Dibble and Grub?


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 04:31:28 PM

Young, Young, Stills, Nash, Crosby, Dibble and Grub?


 :D

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 05:05:45 PM


What are we defining as latter day here? From 2000 - 2010 there are several albums I like, if not love; Silver & Gold, Are You Passionate?, Prairie Wind, Chrome Dreams II. Greendale & Living With War have moments. Fork In The Road is fun if not deep. After that Psychedelic Pill and Storytone are the only ones I can really justify as albums. I know you are not fond of the writing on the latter and my preference is for the acoustic disc which I think is mostly rather lovely.


I can't even remember half of them.  I adore Silver & Gold.  I thought Are You Passionate?, Chrome Dreams II, and Psychedelic Pill all flirted with being good, yet were still patchy.  The rest I either found dull, or clunky, or I haven't even bothered hearing.

Jules


Yes, I am not claiming greatness for any of them, with the possible exception of Psychedelic Pill but they are all albums that i can listen to end to end and there is greatness therein. I'm surprised you don't like Prairie Wind. It is very much in the Silver & Gold mould to my ears.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 05:07:34 PM


Now that this chunk of thread has been moved and given its own corner, might I suggest a name change?  I'm not sure that "Crosby Nash" quite fits the bill.

How about: "Crosby, Nash, Young & possibly Stills"?

 ;D

Jules


Young, Young, Stills, Nash, Crosby, Dibble and Grub?



Crosby, not Stills, Nash & Young?


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 05:09:28 PM


Now that this chunk of thread has been moved and given its own corner, might I suggest a name change?  I'm not sure that "Crosby Nash" quite fits the bill.

How about: "Crosby, Nash, Young & possibly Stills"?

 ;D

Jules


Young, Young, Stills, Nash, Crosby, Dibble and Grub?


I put the four names into an anagram generator and it came up with hundreds of possibilities though this one caught my eye (minus one letter o)

Ballsy Gits Synchronus

 :)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 20, 2020, 05:11:10 PM



Now that this chunk of thread has been moved and given its own corner, might I suggest a name change?  I'm not sure that "Crosby Nash" quite fits the bill.

How about: "Crosby, Nash, Young & possibly Stills"?

 ;D

Jules


Young, Young, Stills, Nash, Crosby, Dibble and Grub?


I put the four names into an anagram generator and it came up with hundreds of possibilities though this one caught my eye (minus one letter o)

Ballsy Gits Synchronus

 :)



 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on October 20, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
And for Fairport Convention it came up with

Apron Eviction Front

Sorry, getting off topic again.




Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on October 20, 2020, 05:58:54 PM

I'm surprised you don't like Prairie Wind. It is very much in the Silver & Gold mould to my ears.


Similar sound, but a major drop-off in song quality.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: wayne stote on October 21, 2020, 10:48:26 AM

Crosby's Thousand Roads which I did buy and then gave away. Having listened to it on Spotify just now I think I made the right call. Not one I'd rush to listen to again.

Now listening to the CSN 77 album.



Thousand Roads is my favourite Croz solo album but I can see why you and others don't rate it. There are very few Croz writing credits, it has very soft rock, practically Yacht rock arrangements and even though it came out in 1993, it still has a very Eighties production.

For whatever reason though, it really hits the spot for me.  :)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Paul B on January 06, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
Apparently a "Deja Vu" box on the way

" Graham Nash tells ABC Audio that among the upcoming releases is an expanded 50th anniversary reissue of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's 1970 debut album, Déjà Vu, which he thinks will be "a four-CD box set."

Regarding the bonus material that will appear on the reissue, Graham notes that at the time Déjà Vu was made, he, David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Neil Young "were crazily writing songs…so there are many little, silly songs that didn't get finished [and]...lots of things…that people have never heard before."

He adds, "I think that they're doing a wonderful job with the packaging and with the design of the whole thing. I'm very happy with it."

Any thoughts ? If price is reasonable,I'm in


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on January 06, 2021, 05:39:52 PM

Apparently a "Deja Vu" box on the way

" Graham Nash tells ABC Audio that among the upcoming releases is an expanded 50th anniversary reissue of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's 1970 debut album, Déjà Vu, which he thinks will be "a four-CD box set."

Regarding the bonus material that will appear on the reissue, Graham notes that at the time Déjà Vu was made, he, David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Neil Young "were crazily writing songs…so there are many little, silly songs that didn't get finished [and]...lots of things…that people have never heard before."

He adds, "I think that they're doing a wonderful job with the packaging and with the design of the whole thing. I'm very happy with it."

Any thoughts ? If price is reasonable,I'm in


Intriguing...is Barncard involved in putting this together? I've always thought Deja Vu is actually far less than the sum of its parts...I much (much) prefer other albums involving the various members.  The first CSN album is much much better (imho).


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: garrypbrooks on January 06, 2021, 06:27:33 PM

Apparently a "Deja Vu" box on the way

" Graham Nash tells ABC Audio that among the upcoming releases is an expanded 50th anniversary reissue of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's 1970 debut album, Déjà Vu, which he thinks will be "a four-CD box set."

Regarding the bonus material that will appear on the reissue, Graham notes that at the time Déjà Vu was made, he, David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Neil Young "were crazily writing songs…so there are many little, silly songs that didn't get finished [and]...lots of things…that people have never heard before."

He adds, "I think that they're doing a wonderful job with the packaging and with the design of the whole thing. I'm very happy with it."

Any thoughts ? If price is reasonable, I'm in

IMHO one of the great strengths of the LP age was that bands put out 40 minutes of the best stuff they had and dumped the rest -"10 tracks, all killer, no filler!". Far too many CDs were bloated full of crud. So I'll pass on  4 CD box set version of a single LP, thanks.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2021, 11:57:30 AM

Intriguing...is Barncard involved in putting this together?


You'd hope so.  Many years ago I got hold of a CD of offcuts that Barncard had put together - there are quite a few Stills songs from that era that didn't make the album, and at least one by Neil (I wonder if he'll let them use his stuff?).

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on January 07, 2021, 04:58:31 PM


Apparently a "Deja Vu" box on the way

" Graham Nash tells ABC Audio that among the upcoming releases is an expanded 50th anniversary reissue of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's 1970 debut album, Déjà Vu, which he thinks will be "a four-CD box set."

Regarding the bonus material that will appear on the reissue, Graham notes that at the time Déjà Vu was made, he, David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Neil Young "were crazily writing songs…so there are many little, silly songs that didn't get finished [and]...lots of things…that people have never heard before."

He adds, "I think that they're doing a wonderful job with the packaging and with the design of the whole thing. I'm very happy with it."

Any thoughts ? If price is reasonable,I'm in


Intriguing...is Barncard involved in putting this together? I've always thought Deja Vu is actually far less than the sum of its parts...I much (much) prefer other albums involving the various members.  The first CSN album is much much better (imho).


By contrast, it is one of my 10, maybe 5 favourite albums of all time. I take somebody's point about diluting the perfection but I will probably be in for this. Alongside the big Neil box, the forthcoming Dylan/Harrison set and the expanded Stage Fright reissue by The Band there is a lot of interesting archive stuff appearing in short order over the next few months.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2021, 05:39:40 PM

By contrast, it is one of my 10, maybe 5 favourite albums of all time. I take somebody's point about diluting the perfection but I will probably be in for this.


I'm definitely in.  It's probably in my top 30 somewhere.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: blagden on January 07, 2021, 10:14:55 PM
Just watched the Hollies documentary on Sky Arts which highlights why Nash went to Los Angeles in 68 and how CSN originated. Recommended.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on January 07, 2021, 10:22:57 PM

Just watched the Hollies documentary on Sky Arts which highlights why Nash went to Los Angeles in 68 and how CSN originated. Recommended.


There's some great stuff in that.

Funny how the coolest Hollie quickly became the least hip one in CSNY.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on May 23, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
There's a piece on the box set here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-crosby-stephen-stills-and-graham-nash-deja-vu-50th-anniversary-edition/? Everybody still hates David


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Andy on May 23, 2021, 10:09:51 PM

Everybody still hates David


His voice was the adhesive that made Stills and Nash's voices meld so well.

Unfortunately he's a drug-addicted arsehole of the first order and even if he isn't hitting them these days, the damage to his body and to his relationships with many in the music industry (not just SN&Y) is permanent and so are the scars that he left when dealing with his issues by lashing out at anybody and everybody.

Mind you, Neil Young is an arsehole too, not least for pulling most of his contributions from this box set.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on May 23, 2021, 11:33:11 PM

There's a piece on the box set here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-crosby-stephen-stills-and-graham-nash-deja-vu-50th-anniversary-edition/? Everybody still hates David


When Nash says "we", he means him and Neil.  Stills is still talking to Crosby.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on May 23, 2021, 11:40:14 PM

Unfortunately he's a drug-addicted arsehole of the first order and even if he isn't hitting them these days, the damage to his body and to his relationships with many in the music industry (not just SN&Y) is permanent and so are the scars that he left when dealing with his issues by lashing out at anybody and everybody.


Overly harsh, in my opinion.  He was a drug addict, but then so was Stills.  Crosby's very opinionated, and he's got a big mouth.  True, he's burned some bridges, but then so has Neil, so has Stills, so has Nash.  Stills made such a pest of himself during his cocaine years that he pretty much deep-sixed his career.  And Nash has to take his fair share of the blame in the Crosby/Nash fall-out - it isn't all Crosby's doing.  But then again, lots of rock stars have acted like prize idiots.  Does this mean that if suitably contrite, they shouldn't be forgiven?  No.  These "boys" aren't getting any younger, and it will be best for everyone if they find a way of forgiving each other.  Nobody should go to the grave holding a grudge over anything that can be patched up.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on May 24, 2021, 09:27:24 AM


Unfortunately he's a drug-addicted arsehole of the first order and even if he isn't hitting them these days, the damage to his body and to his relationships with many in the music industry (not just SN&Y) is permanent and so are the scars that he left when dealing with his issues by lashing out at anybody and everybody.


Overly harsh, in my opinion.  He was a drug addict, but then so was Stills.  Crosby's very opinionated, and he's got a big mouth.  True, he's burned some bridges, but then so has Neil, so has Stills, so has Nash.  Stills made such a pest of himself during his cocaine years that he pretty much deep-sixed his career.  And Nash has to take his fair share of the blame in the Crosby/Nash fall-out - it isn't all Crosby's doing.  But then again, lots of rock stars have acted like prize idiots.  Does this mean that if suitably contrite, they shouldn't be forgiven?  No.  These "boys" aren't getting any younger, and it will be best for everyone if they find a way of forgiving each other.  Nobody should go to the grave holding a grudge over anything that can be patched up.

Jules


And 3.5 decades since David was a drug addict too.  He smokes (and sells!) weed but that's it, I believe.  I don't care - he's made some of the most sublime music ever made.  Love the art and not the artist and all that...


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Andy on May 24, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
"Love the art and not the artist and all that..." - well that's an argument on a whole different scale.

35 years ago his well known hard drug misuse may have been, but it was 2014 when he described Neil's wife as  “a purely poisonous predator”.

In 2016 Graham maintained, “I don’t like David Crosby right now. He’s been awful for me the last two years, just ******g awful”. Nash continued, “I’ve been there and saved his ******g ass for 45 years, and he treated me like s**t. You can’t do that to me. You can do it for a day or so, until I think you’re going to come around. When it goes on longer, and I keep getting nasty emails from him, I’m done. **** you. "

So not all his issues are "3.5 decades ago".



Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 24, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
One of the things I have always found hilarious about CSNY is the chasm between what they represented to their audience at the height of their success (the very epitome of that Laurel Canyon, pastoral peace/love aesthetic) and who they actually are as people.

I remember seeing Celebration At Big Sur in my teens and thinking, what a bunch of selfish, unpleasant, egotistical, hypocritical ******s!

But the music is divine.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on May 24, 2021, 01:56:20 PM

One of the things I have always found hilarious about CSNY is the chasm between what they represented to their audience at the height of their success (the very epitome of that Laurel Canyon, pastoral peace/love aesthetic) and who they actually are as people.

I remember seeing Celebration At Big Sur in my teens and thinking, what a bunch of selfish, unpleasant, egotistical, hypocritical ******s!

But the music is divine.


Hear hear, which is exactly why I think my Love the art, not the artist maxim is spot on.  My favourite artist is Eric Gill ffs (don't even begin to investigate why you wouldn't want to invite him around for dinner).  Crosby's always sounded like an arse.  But hell, how many of us have created IICORMN?


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: ColinB on May 24, 2021, 02:42:26 PM

One of the things I have always found hilarious about CSNY is the chasm between what they represented to their audience at the height of their success (the very epitome of that Laurel Canyon, pastoral peace/love aesthetic) and who they actually are as people.

I remember seeing Celebration At Big Sur in my teens and thinking, what a bunch of selfish, unpleasant, egotistical, hypocritical ******s!

But the music is divine.


One thing that jumped out at me when I read Nash's Wild Tales book was on the day Crosby was released from prison Nash and their manager "bought him the biggest steak he'd seen in a year." Somewhat different to the likes of McCartney and Harrison and their vegetarian lifestyles.

Also on the one hand he's played a lot of benefit gigs for environmental causes but his own carbon footprint must be pretty bad as he has various properties including a house in Hawaii and must have flown countless thousands of miles every year.

A case of "do as I say, not as I do."  ::)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on May 24, 2021, 03:08:12 PM

One thing that jumped out at me when I read Nash's Wild Tales book was on the day Crosby was released from prison Nash and their manager "bought him the biggest steak he'd seen in a year." Somewhat different to the likes of McCartney and Harrison and their vegetarian lifestyles.

Also on the one hand he's played a lot of benefit gigs for environmental causes but his own carbon footprint must be pretty bad as he has various properties including a house in Hawaii and must have flown countless thousands of miles every year.

A case of "do as I say, not as I do."  ::)


Eating steaks, and going on aeroplanes.  I guess that makes me a colossal bastard as well then.  Are we done now, picking holes in his moral fibre?

 ::)

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on May 24, 2021, 04:17:08 PM


One of the things I have always found hilarious about CSNY is the chasm between what they represented to their audience at the height of their success (the very epitome of that Laurel Canyon, pastoral peace/love aesthetic) and who they actually are as people.

I remember seeing Celebration At Big Sur in my teens and thinking, what a bunch of selfish, unpleasant, egotistical, hypocritical ******s!

But the music is divine.


Hear hear, which is exactly why I think my Love the art, not the artist maxim is spot on.  My favourite artist is Eric Gill ffs (don't even begin to investigate why you wouldn't want to invite him around for dinner).  Crosby's always sounded like an arse.  But hell, how many of us have created IICORMN?


Yes, Gill is hard to defend. I always feel uncomfortable whenever I walk past Broadcasting House. The trouble is, the more you learn about almost anyone, the more flawed they become. I have now read, seen and heard so much about the Beatles that I actively dislike all of them as individuals to a greater or lesser extent. ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on May 24, 2021, 04:27:40 PM

The trouble is, the more you learn about almost anyone, the more flawed they become. I have now read, seen and heard so much about the Beatles that I actively dislike all of them as individuals to a greater or lesser extent. ;D


All human beings are flawed.  We need to stop being so judgemental about each other.  As long as we're trying to do better, then that's a good thing.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Pat Helms on May 25, 2021, 02:48:06 AM
This might be total gas, but I think when Crosby is musically burning on all cylinders (as he has been for the last several years) he’s apt to burns bridges with old ties as well. It’s been sorta like the Byrds all over again. I’m not saying it’s intentional - it just appears there’s a destructive element in his nature when he’s in that zone, and perhaps subconsciously, it’s a purging agent to allow his music to evolve where it needs to go. I would have loved for him to have remained in the Byrds, finished Notorious Byrd Brothers and continued contributing those songs that otherwise found their way into CSN (and sometimes Y), but he’d grown too big for his britches in the Byrds. It was time to go, and in the end, probably for the best. I’m sorry there been a lot of hurting involved, but sometimes such is art.



Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Jules Gray on May 25, 2021, 11:32:06 AM

This might be total gas, but I think when Crosby is musically burning on all cylinders (as he has been for the last several years) he’s apt to burns bridges with old ties as well. It’s been sorta like the Byrds all over again. I’m not saying it’s intentional - it just appears there’s a destructive element in his nature when he’s in that zone, and perhaps subconsciously, it’s a purging agent to allow his music to evolve where it needs to go. I would have loved for him to have remained in the Byrds, finished Notorious Byrd Brothers and continued contributing those songs that otherwise found their way into CSN (and sometimes Y), but he’d grown too big for his britches in the Byrds. It was time to go, and in the end, probably for the best. I’m sorry there been a lot of hurting involved, but sometimes such is art.


Not sure how much of a factor this is, or which came first, the chicken or the egg.  It's certainly very much Neil Young's modus operandi.

Jules


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on June 07, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
I have been listening to the Deja Vu boxed set again to and once again, as with every time since I first heard it in about 1974, when Croz sings, "Must be because I had the flu for Christmas," I always think, "What a terrible present and extremely hard to gift wrap!"


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on June 08, 2021, 06:34:30 PM

I have been listening to the Deja Vu boxed set again to and once again, as with every time since I first heard it in about 1974, when Croz sings, "Must be because I had the flu for Christmas," I always think, "What a terrible present and extremely hard to gift wrap!"


Arf!  ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on July 29, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
What do people think of the RSD release - the alternate Deja Vu vinyl?  I presume it's made up of bits from the rest of the 50th anniversary box set.  Is that right?  Anyway, does it work on vinyl - sound good?


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on July 29, 2021, 10:57:58 AM

What do people think of the RSD release - the alternate Deja Vu vinyl?  I presume it's made up of bits from the rest of the 50th anniversary box set.  Is that right?  Anyway, does it work on vinyl - sound good?
It certainly works for me!
The sound is excellent and I actually prefer a number of the tracks to those on the original, mainly due to some excellent electric guitar work. Carry On is one example, but for me the highlight is the 10 minute version of Almost Cut My Hair which is far superior to the version on the original album.
The only problem I have with album is the lack of a version of Country Girl which somewhat ruins the continuity for me, but I guess there is no alternative they could have used.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Nick Reg on July 29, 2021, 11:12:53 AM


One thing that jumped out at me when I read Nash's Wild Tales book was on the day Crosby was released from prison Nash and their manager "bought him the biggest steak he'd seen in a year." Somewhat different to the likes of McCartney and Harrison and their vegetarian lifestyles.

Also on the one hand he's played a lot of benefit gigs for environmental causes but his own carbon footprint must be pretty bad as he has various properties including a house in Hawaii and must have flown countless thousands of miles every year.

A case of "do as I say, not as I do."  ::)


Eating steaks, and going on aeroplanes.  I guess that makes me a colossal bastard as well then.  Are we done now, picking holes in his moral fibre?

 ::)

Jules


How do you know if someone is a vegan?  ....................................... They tell you.  ;D


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on July 29, 2021, 11:16:59 AM


What do people think of the RSD release - the alternate Deja Vu vinyl?  I presume it's made up of bits from the rest of the 50th anniversary box set.  Is that right?  Anyway, does it work on vinyl - sound good?
It certainly works for me!
The sound is excellent and I actually prefer a number of the tracks to those on the original, mainly due to some excellent electric guitar work. Carry On is one example, but for me the highlight is the 10 minute version of Almost Cut My Hair which is far superior to the version on the original album.
The only problem I have with album is the lack of a version of Country Girl which somewhat ruins the continuity for me, but I guess there is no alternative they could have used.



Mr Neil says no!  Thanks, Bill...appreciated.  I'm quite tempted.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: GubGub (Al) on July 29, 2021, 01:51:55 PM



What do people think of the RSD release - the alternate Deja Vu vinyl?  I presume it's made up of bits from the rest of the 50th anniversary box set.  Is that right?  Anyway, does it work on vinyl - sound good?
It certainly works for me!
The sound is excellent and I actually prefer a number of the tracks to those on the original, mainly due to some excellent electric guitar work. Carry On is one example, but for me the highlight is the 10 minute version of Almost Cut My Hair which is far superior to the version on the original album.
The only problem I have with album is the lack of a version of Country Girl which somewhat ruins the continuity for me, but I guess there is no alternative they could have used.



Mr Neil says no!  Thanks, Bill...appreciated.  I'm quite tempted.


It is identical to disc 4 of the box.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on July 29, 2021, 02:05:59 PM




What do people think of the RSD release - the alternate Deja Vu vinyl?  I presume it's made up of bits from the rest of the 50th anniversary box set.  Is that right?  Anyway, does it work on vinyl - sound good?
It certainly works for me!
The sound is excellent and I actually prefer a number of the tracks to those on the original, mainly due to some excellent electric guitar work. Carry On is one example, but for me the highlight is the 10 minute version of Almost Cut My Hair which is far superior to the version on the original album.
The only problem I have with album is the lack of a version of Country Girl which somewhat ruins the continuity for me, but I guess there is no alternative they could have used.



Mr Neil says no!  Thanks, Bill...appreciated.  I'm quite tempted.


It is identical to disc 4 of the box.



Ta.  I guess the substantive question is what does it sound like on vinyl (quality of the pressing/mastering etc).


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2021, 07:57:03 AM
Croz interview on the Grauniad website.  His interviews always make me wince.  "I'm still speaking to Stephen so he was definitely the most talented one etc etc etc"

Love the art and not the artist and all that...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/02/david-crosby-on-love-music-and-rancour-neil-young-is-probably-the-most-selfish-person-i-know


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2021, 08:41:55 AM

Croz interview on the Grauniad website.  His interviews always make me wince.  "I'm still speaking to Stephen so he was definitely the most talented one etc etc etc"

Love the art and not the artist and all that...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/02/david-crosby-on-love-music-and-rancour-neil-young-is-probably-the-most-selfish-person-i-know


And ps for a short period of time, Stephen certainly was the most talented one...


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Andy on September 02, 2021, 08:43:27 AM
Such a twee and cloying article that I could barely restrain a gasp at his arrogant dismissal of those that cared about him for so many years.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: davidmjs on September 02, 2021, 08:48:46 AM
But, and it's a big but, For Free, as with most of his recent albums contains some great music.  It's nowhere near as good as the marketing guys would have you believe, but it's far far better than we should really have any right to expect.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Andy on September 02, 2021, 11:10:45 AM

But, and it's a big but, For Free, as with most of his recent albums contains some great music.  It's nowhere near as good as the marketing guys would have you believe, but it's far far better than we should really have any right to expect.
As you said, you can like the art whilst disliking the artist.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Nick Reg on September 02, 2021, 01:28:27 PM


But, and it's a big but, For Free, as with most of his recent albums contains some great music.  It's nowhere near as good as the marketing guys would have you believe, but it's far far better than we should really have any right to expect.
As you said, you can like the art whilst disliking the artist.


If we didnt listen to music made by arses, there would be considerably less choice.


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Shankly (Peter) on September 02, 2021, 03:46:25 PM



If we didnt listen to music made by arses, there would be considerably less choice.


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Nick Reg on September 02, 2021, 03:59:11 PM




If we didnt listen to music made by arses, there would be considerably less choice.


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane


My formation farting ability was close to olympic standard.  ;)


Title: Re: Crosby and/or Stills and/or Nash and/or Young
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on September 03, 2021, 09:05:43 AM




If we didnt listen to music made by arses, there would be considerably less choice.


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane
The film with the superb Leonard Rossiter is a blast!   ;D