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Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on November 20, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
So Cropredy line-up so far to be announced on 29 November. FC also introducing tiered ticketing (cheaper if you buy early) and teen tickets.

All makes sense to me


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
I'll refrain from posting the whole newsletter here.....

With 10 days until Tier 1 tickets go on sale (teen tickets at £75 remain statically-priced) for the first time, where I suspect tier 4 will show a quite large increase in price from last year (otherwise why would they make this change), it would assist fan budgetting if

a) they had informed us a while ago, in order that we might start saving for tier 1....and
b) tell us whether tiers are purely on number of tickets allocated to each tier (ie that price rises could happen at any stahe when each tier sells out), or whether there is a cut-off date for any tier even if the sales haven't reached the ticket numbers allocated.


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chipton Blake on November 20, 2019, 03:09:13 PM
And the Field 8 news is disappointing-
really enjoyed Weds nights - on a leisurely crawl around
Field 8 bar, Brase and The Red Lion (Duff Paddy)

Does anyone know whether Field 8 will independently
open on Wednesday?


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 20, 2019, 03:25:54 PM

And the Field 8 news is disappointing-
really enjoyed Weds nights - on a leisurely crawl around
Field 8 bar, Brase and The Red Lion (Duff Paddy)

Does anyone know whether Field 8 will independently
open on Wednesday?


Tuesday..apparently.


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on November 20, 2019, 03:27:08 PM

And the Field 8 news is disappointing-
really enjoyed Weds nights - on a leisurely crawl around
Field 8 bar, Brase and The Red Lion (Duff Paddy)

Does anyone know whether Field 8 will independently
open on Wednesday?


Says Field 8 will be run independently of the main festival so guess whoever runs it will open up on Wednesday to be part of the fringe - as intimated on the email


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2019, 03:40:38 PM
They'll now need to apply for their own licences though. Keep your fingers crossed as the noise could be heard up in Great Bourton....unlike the arena/Brasenose.


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 20, 2019, 03:42:55 PM
I shall have my battered credit card ready at 10am on Monday 2nd December   :D  {:-)


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dubai Danny on November 20, 2019, 03:49:38 PM


And the Field 8 news is disappointing-
really enjoyed Weds nights - on a leisurely crawl around
Field 8 bar, Brase and The Red Lion (Duff Paddy)

Does anyone know whether Field 8 will independently
open on Wednesday?


Tuesday..apparently.

And you'll be allowed to stay until Monday (also apparently).


Title: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on November 20, 2019, 03:54:28 PM

I shall have my battered credit card ready at 10am on Monday 2nd December † :D †{:-)


Likewise...already booked accommodation for next year so festival tickets come next no matter who is on the bill  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on November 20, 2019, 04:02:31 PM
Can someone please send me a link to the newsletter - for some reason I never get it although I'm sure I have subscribed in the past.

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
It should hopefully be posted on their website, but it's not there yet - so here it is

Quote
Hello Fairporters,

Weíre writing to you about Fairportís Cropredy Convention 2020. Our festival will take place on 13, 14 and 15 August next year and tickets go on sale on Monday 2 December 2019.

For many independent festivals 2019 was a difficult year and Cropredy was no exception. Ticket sales were down, largely due to the economic uncertainty surrounding Brexit. Unfortunately that uncertainty is still with us and understandably people are still cautious about leisure spending.

Despite that we are still here and Cropredy 2020 is already taking shape Ė in fact we will be announcing the line-up so far on 29 November. We are also introducing some exciting new features (see below).

You too can contribute to Cropredyís future. For a start, buying your tickets early will save you money and help secure the future of the festival you love. So be sure to join us next August; book early to take advantage of our money-saving initiatives; and bring a friend or family member.

Tiered ticketing

This year we shall be introducing a new Ďtieredí system of ticketing. That means the sooner you buy, the more youíll save!

Our first Tier, Tier 1, will go on sale at our early bird price, from 10.00 on Monday 2 December 2019. When all the Tier 1 tickets have been sold, weíll move on to Tier 2 and so on up to Tier 4 for the latecomers.

Two-day tickets (Friday and Saturday) and Saturday-only tickets will go on sale from 2 February 2020.

As usual, the first 1,000 three-day ticket orders will receive a Christmas card signed by Fairport Convention; additionally, the first 2,000 orders will receive a souvenir Cropredy windscreen sticker.

 
Teen Tickets Ė new for 2020

Cropredy is proud of its reputation as an event for the whole family. Now the festival will become even more family-friendly than before with the introduction of our Teen Ticket.

For 2020 youngsters between the ages of 12 and 17 (inclusive) will pay just £75 for three days regardless of which Tier we are on, a great saving for families. Under 12s are still free.

 
Field 8 and Wednesday Camping

Field 8 will be completely independent from now on and be operating as part of The Cropredy Fringe. Field 8 campers will still need to buy a festival ticket to enter the festival site.

Also, we are no longer able to offer Wednesday camping on Field 7b.

 
Glamping

Last year Cropredy introduced glamping and you loved it! So for 2020 Brook Bell Tents will be back once again to look after you. If you fancy a bit of unashamed luxury under canvas these beautifully-appointed tents are the perfect answer.

The self-contained glamping village Ė Broad Meadow Ė is complete with luxury loos and showers, a bar, on-site catering, a pampering marquee, shared fridges, and complimentary tea and coffee in the hospitality marquee. You can park next to your tent and thereís even a free shuttle buggy to whisk you to the Arena gate.

Although 2019 was the first year of glamping all the pitches sold out in days. Glamping will go like hot cakes in 2020 so book now to avoid missing out.

 
And finally...

Weíll be announcing the line-up so far on Friday 29 November; tickets will go on sale the following Monday.

Love from us all,

Simon, Peggy, Ric, Chris and Gerry.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on November 20, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
Really disappointed that there is no Wednesday camping in field 7b.
It made things so much easier last year.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: macafolk ( Jean Lup ) on November 22, 2019, 05:17:25 AM
Hello, I just read that for the Cropredy 2020 festival, cropredy Field 8 will now be completely independent and will operate as part of The Fringe. Campers in Field 8 will still have to purchase a festival ticket to enter the festival site.
I wonder how I could buy camping tickets and also when?
A big thank you! (We have been coming from Belgium since the year 2000, every year!)
Jean Lupant
jean_lupant@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on November 22, 2019, 07:48:11 AM
Apparently Field 8 is sold out


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 22, 2019, 08:34:30 AM

Apparently Field 8 is sold out
Already? When/where did they go on sale? Such madness!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 22, 2019, 01:32:46 PM


Apparently Field 8 is sold out
Already? When/where did they go on sale? Such madness!!


Via the Fairporters Facebook page...Gerry del Guercio is the guy...he has said that anybody who has reserved a ticket but doesn't pay for it sharpish, will be passed over for someone else on the list, so there MAY be a chance of blagging one, but the list is long.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 22, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
If I were booking in there, I'd be asking to see -

a) his insurance policy
b) his licence from Cherwell District Council for the entertainment - you might find it's a rather quiet field with no stage/bar


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: NigelT on November 22, 2019, 03:29:14 PM

I'll refrain from posting the whole newsletter here.....

With 10 days until Tier 1 tickets go on sale (teen tickets at £75 remain statically-priced) for the first time, where I suspect tier 4 will show a quite large increase in price from last year (otherwise why would they make this change), it would assist fan budgetting if

a) they had informed us a while ago, in order that we might start saving for tier 1....and
b) tell us whether tiers are purely on number of tickets allocated to each tier (ie that price rises could happen at any stahe when each tier sells out), or whether there is a cut-off date for any tier even if the sales haven't reached the ticket numbers allocated.


I put exactly this point on the Fairporters Facebook page. The rationale seems to be to get people to book early, so it would make sense for Tier 1 to be time limited (say, the first month) rather than ticket number limited. This would prevent an unholy scamble on 2nd December! I'll be online at the opening time - If I don't get a Tier 1 ticket there will be a complaint!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 22, 2019, 05:25:57 PM


I'll refrain from posting the whole newsletter here.....

With 10 days until Tier 1 tickets go on sale (teen tickets at £75 remain statically-priced) for the first time, where I suspect tier 4 will show a quite large increase in price from last year (otherwise why would they make this change), it would assist fan budgetting if

a) they had informed us a while ago, in order that we might start saving for tier 1....and
b) tell us whether tiers are purely on number of tickets allocated to each tier (ie that price rises could happen at any stahe when each tier sells out), or whether there is a cut-off date for any tier even if the sales haven't reached the ticket numbers allocated.


I put exactly this point on the Fairporters Facebook page. The rationale seems to be to get people to book early, so it would make sense for Tier 1 to be time limited (say, the first month) rather than ticket number limited. This would prevent an unholy scamble on 2nd December! I'll be online at the opening time - If I don't get a Tier 1 ticket there will be a complaint!


What's the bloody point of complaining?  It is what it is.  Nobody has the right to a Cropredy ticket at a particular price!  How about some constructive feedback instead?  

For the record, virtually every other festival with tiers has a limited number of each tickets at each tier rather than time limiting them.  


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 22, 2019, 05:30:00 PM
I'll refrain from posting the whole newsletter here.....

With 10 days until Tier 1 tickets go on sale (teen tickets at £75 remain statically-priced) for the first time, where I suspect tier 4 will show a quite large increase in price from last year (otherwise why would they make this change), it would assist fan budgetting if

a) they had informed us a while ago, in order that we might start saving for tier 1....and
b) tell us whether tiers are purely on number of tickets allocated to each tier (ie that price rises could happen at any stahe when each tier sells out), or whether there is a cut-off date for any tier even if the sales haven't reached the ticket numbers allocated.


I put exactly this point on the Fairporters Facebook page. The rationale seems to be to get people to book early, so it would make sense for Tier 1 to be time limited (say, the first month) rather than ticket number limited. This would prevent an unholy scamble on 2nd December! I'll be online at the opening time - If I don't get a Tier 1 ticket there will be a complaint!

What's the bloody point of complaining?  It is what it is.  Nobody has the right to a Cropredy ticket at a particular price!  How about some constructive feedback instead?  

For the record, virtually every other festival with tiers has a limited number of each tickets at each tier rather than time limiting them.  

Exactly as worded in the newsletter :
Our first Tier, Tier 1, will go on sale at our early bird price, from 10.00 on Monday 2 December 2019. When all the Tier 1 tickets have been sold, we’ll move on to Tier 2 and so on up to Tier 4 for the latecomers. I don't know the quantities, but I'd guess they've taken into account the usual amount of tix sold in previous years before the initial sale stops.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 22, 2019, 06:08:28 PM
Fwiw, I think it's quite a good way of selling tickets for something that usually sells out, thereby rewarding the old faithfuls who will go whatever the lineup.  However, the Tier 4 higher prices have the potential to put off people who might or might not want to go and leave it late to make a decision.  I think it's an interesting decision for a festival that has had a bad year to take...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 22, 2019, 10:59:25 PM

If I were booking in there, I'd be asking to see -

a) his insurance policy
b) his licence from Cherwell District Council for the entertainment - you might find it's a rather quiet field with no stage/bar

I wouldnít worry too much Chris,various events are held there such as weddings etc and they have to be licensed.
FWIW Iíve been in the back garden of the bell at great bourton(incidently now shut) in pre field 8 days and depending on wind direction you could hear the main stage clear as a bell....
The fact that field 8 is no more than 200 metres from main stage as the crow flies will make no difference whatsoever.
Iíd imagine that seems as entertainment and bar are advertised as part of the deal it is all in hand.
I donít do Facebook Chris but if you do you could ask Gerry,he always responds and Iím sure he will let you know whatís what...
Itís a shame field 7b isnít four days this year as it was popular last year but Iíd guess it wasnít economically viable....
With many people enjoying more than a three day stay at the event I think the organisers are missing a trick...
They do however seem to have found a field for glamping which obviously costs a lot more...
Wrong way to go imo....
Four day camping would surely satisfy more people judging by field 7b last year...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 22, 2019, 11:02:46 PM

Fwiw, I think it's quite a good way of selling tickets for something that usually sells out, thereby rewarding the old faithfuls who will go whatever the lineup. †However, the Tier 4 higher prices have the potential to put off people who might or might not want to go and leave it late to make a decision. †I think it's an interesting decision for a festival that has had a bad year to take...

When did it last sell out?
It was 2/3 full at best last year.
Mind you in a funny way it was like a badge of honour to have been there and survived the hurricane  ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on November 24, 2019, 04:33:37 PM
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Four day camping would surely satisfy more people judging by field 7b last year...


I for one am sad this isn't available.  It was ideal last year just to drive in set up and then wander into the village to soak up some atmosphere (and beer) - much more chilled than the Thursday antics.

Didn't really make any difference to where we ended up field wise anyway as we have always been either 7b or 7c in the past just a much more pleasant way to start the festival.

As you say for the sake of an extra few pounds on the camping it may not have been worth the extra staffing / administration.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 24, 2019, 05:38:17 PM

I for one am sad this isn't available. †It was ideal last year just to drive in set up and then wander into the village to soak up some atmosphere (and beer) - much more chilled than the Thursday antics.


Which is exactly what Thursday used to all be about (when it was just a day and a half festival).  Many of my fave memories of Cropedy over the (early) years come from those Thursdays...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on November 25, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Quote
Which is exactly what Thursday used to all be about (when it was just a day and a half festival).  Many of my fave memories of Cropedy over the (early) years come from those Thursdays...


Showing my youth...  ;)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on November 26, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 26, 2019, 01:14:36 PM

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


Your conclusion has certainly occurred to me as well.  I'd be interested in an informed counter-argument...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 26, 2019, 02:09:53 PM
Bridge Meadow is fine how it is!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 26, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
Maybe extra costs required to cover Wednesday were not met with it being a less well sold year.
Burning both ends of the financial candle so to speak.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 26, 2019, 04:11:36 PM

2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.
I know of a few who already do that - attend but donít go near the main field.
There could be a myriad of reasons, Iíd be interested to know though

* I like the Prince Andrew comment  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on November 26, 2019, 04:28:58 PM

2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on November 26, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
I hope the various venues, including the festival itself, get their act together about plastic glasses.  I've got a growing collection of reusable glasses which cost either 1 or 2 pounds from other festivals. It's practical and a souvenir. I remember trying to use one last year, I think at the Brasenose, and it being refused.  They would pour it into a plastic glass for me,  then into mine and wouldn't accept it defeated the object


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 26, 2019, 04:44:01 PM

Bridge Meadow is fine how it is!

Been underwater to a few days ago....
Mind you thatís very unlikely in august :D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 26, 2019, 04:55:44 PM


2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Iíd guess very few people on field 8 and bridge meadow would not have festival ticket.
People stay at travelodges in Banbury rather than buy a camping ticket,that doesnít help the festival finances either.
If I were in charge of keeping the festival going for the future I would sell 3 day tickets only(if you only want to come to see fairport then pay the 3 day price to keep it going).
Iíd also make sure the 3 day ticket included festival camping for £175
If you wish to stay in a travelodge or non affiliated field then you pay that as well.
Iíd do cheaper teenage 3 day tickets but fundamentally just sell £175 all in tickets,everyone pays the same,everyone contributes the same to keep the event going...
This Saturday ticket only is frankly ridiculous and the biggest loss of revenue imaginable.
Itís our festival
Letís all pay the same
Letís keep it going


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 26, 2019, 05:18:49 PM



2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Iíd guess very few people on field 8 and bridge meadow would not have festival ticket.
People stay at travelodges in Banbury rather than buy a camping ticket,that doesnít help the festival finances either.
If I were in charge of keeping the festival going for the future I would sell 3 day tickets only(if you only want to come to see fairport then pay the 3 day price to keep it going).
Iíd also make sure the 3 day ticket included festival camping for £175
If you wish to stay in a travelodge or non affiliated field then you pay that as well.
Iíd do cheaper teenage 3 day tickets but fundamentally just sell £175 all in tickets,everyone pays the same,everyone contributes the same to keep the event going...
This Saturday ticket only is frankly ridiculous and the biggest loss of revenue imaginable.
Itís our festival
Letís all pay the same
Letís keep it going


We use Bridge Meadow because we didn't like the organisation on the Thursday morning, there are better ways but thats for another time.
We now like arrive on Tuesday because
We like to arrive in a relaxed manner and chill
We like to choose a pitch that suits our large vehicle , if its not level we're knackered.
We like to visit the fringe
We like to camp with friends
We have a few medical problems which are not helped by the Thursday morning Lemming run.
We pay for BM and would not be prepared to pay twice.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 26, 2019, 05:36:12 PM




2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Iíd guess very few people on field 8 and bridge meadow would not have festival ticket.
People stay at travelodges in Banbury rather than buy a camping ticket,that doesnít help the festival finances either.
If I were in charge of keeping the festival going for the future I would sell 3 day tickets only(if you only want to come to see fairport then pay the 3 day price to keep it going).
Iíd also make sure the 3 day ticket included festival camping for £175
If you wish to stay in a travelodge or non affiliated field then you pay that as well.
Iíd do cheaper teenage 3 day tickets but fundamentally just sell £175 all in tickets,everyone pays the same,everyone contributes the same to keep the event going...
This Saturday ticket only is frankly ridiculous and the biggest loss of revenue imaginable.
Itís our festival
Letís all pay the same
Letís keep it going


We use Bridge Meadow because we didn't like the organisation on the Thursday morning, there are better ways but thats for another time.
We now like arrive on Tuesday because
We like to arrive in a relaxed manner and chill
We like to choose a pitch that suits our large vehicle , if its not level we're knackered.
We like to visit the fringe
We like to camp with friends
We have a few medical problems which are not helped by the Thursday morning Lemming run.
We pay for BM and would not be prepared to pay twice.

Well if it all goes belly up youíll know who to blame.
Why shouldnít the festival be £175 with camping if thatís what it takes to keep our festival alive??
Iím sure theyíd be plenty moaning if it ceases to exist.....
Mainly those who want to camp independently and turn up only on a Saturday...
Why should the majority of 3 day ticket purchasers who also pay for camping subsidise those who want to turn up for one day and give money to other operations rather than pay to keep the festival going
FWIW Iíd have no problems paying firstly....
The £175 to fairport to keep the festival going and then if I choose to pay to camp elsewhere at my own expense then thatís my choice.
Thatís what will keep this festival going for the future and actually make improvements.
I think £175 for music and camping is still great value...
If people want to pay for extras thereís nothing stopping them....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 26, 2019, 06:03:34 PM





2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Iíd guess very few people on field 8 and bridge meadow would not have festival ticket.
People stay at travelodges in Banbury rather than buy a camping ticket,that doesnít help the festival finances either.
If I were in charge of keeping the festival going for the future I would sell 3 day tickets only(if you only want to come to see fairport then pay the 3 day price to keep it going).
Iíd also make sure the 3 day ticket included festival camping for £175
If you wish to stay in a travelodge or non affiliated field then you pay that as well.
Iíd do cheaper teenage 3 day tickets but fundamentally just sell £175 all in tickets,everyone pays the same,everyone contributes the same to keep the event going...
This Saturday ticket only is frankly ridiculous and the biggest loss of revenue imaginable.
Itís our festival
Letís all pay the same
Letís keep it going


We use Bridge Meadow because we didn't like the organisation on the Thursday morning, there are better ways but thats for another time.
We now like arrive on Tuesday because
We like to arrive in a relaxed manner and chill
We like to choose a pitch that suits our large vehicle , if its not level we're knackered.
We like to visit the fringe
We like to camp with friends
We have a few medical problems which are not helped by the Thursday morning Lemming run.
We pay for BM and would not be prepared to pay twice.

Well if it all goes belly up youíll know who to blame.
Why shouldnít the festival be £175 with camping if thatís what it takes to keep our festival alive??
Iím sure theyíd be plenty moaning if it ceases to exist.....
Mainly those who want to camp independently and turn up only on a Saturday...
Why should the majority of 3 day ticket purchasers who also pay for camping subsidise those who want to turn up for one day and give money to other operations rather than pay to keep the festival going
FWIW Iíd have no problems paying firstly....
The £175 to fairport to keep the festival going and then if I choose to pay to camp elsewhere at my own expense then thatís my choice.
Thatís what will keep this festival going for the future and actually make improvements.
I think £175 for music and camping is still great value...
If people want to pay for extras thereís nothing stopping them....


If I had to go back to the Lemming run I would probably stop going. I go for the all round experience now as a lot of the main field acts don't appeal to me. So its £150 or nowt, I've done 32 on the trot, so I've paid as much as most. We are pensioners now (cash rich but income poor) and have been for about 5 years so we aren't scrimping just careful. A lot of attendees are now pensioners and don't want to camp at all.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 26, 2019, 06:28:16 PM






2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.


And drink better beer at considerably less cost....


Iíd guess very few people on field 8 and bridge meadow would not have festival ticket.
People stay at travelodges in Banbury rather than buy a camping ticket,that doesnít help the festival finances either.
If I were in charge of keeping the festival going for the future I would sell 3 day tickets only(if you only want to come to see fairport then pay the 3 day price to keep it going).
Iíd also make sure the 3 day ticket included festival camping for £175
If you wish to stay in a travelodge or non affiliated field then you pay that as well.
Iíd do cheaper teenage 3 day tickets but fundamentally just sell £175 all in tickets,everyone pays the same,everyone contributes the same to keep the event going...
This Saturday ticket only is frankly ridiculous and the biggest loss of revenue imaginable.
Itís our festival
Letís all pay the same
Letís keep it going


We use Bridge Meadow because we didn't like the organisation on the Thursday morning, there are better ways but thats for another time.
We now like arrive on Tuesday because
We like to arrive in a relaxed manner and chill
We like to choose a pitch that suits our large vehicle , if its not level we're knackered.
We like to visit the fringe
We like to camp with friends
We have a few medical problems which are not helped by the Thursday morning Lemming run.
We pay for BM and would not be prepared to pay twice.

Well if it all goes belly up youíll know who to blame.
Why shouldnít the festival be £175 with camping if thatís what it takes to keep our festival alive??
Iím sure theyíd be plenty moaning if it ceases to exist.....
Mainly those who want to camp independently and turn up only on a Saturday...
Why should the majority of 3 day ticket purchasers who also pay for camping subsidise those who want to turn up for one day and give money to other operations rather than pay to keep the festival going
FWIW Iíd have no problems paying firstly....
The £175 to fairport to keep the festival going and then if I choose to pay to camp elsewhere at my own expense then thatís my choice.
Thatís what will keep this festival going for the future and actually make improvements.
I think £175 for music and camping is still great value...
If people want to pay for extras thereís nothing stopping them....


If I had to go back to the Lemming run I would probably stop going. I go for the all round experience now as a lot of the main field acts don't appeal to me. So its £150 or nowt, I've done 32 on the trot, so I've paid as much as most. We are pensioners now (cash rich but income poor) and have been for about 5 years so we aren't scrimping just careful. A lot of attendees are now pensioners and don't want to camp at all.

Thatís a shame as I think thatís what will happen
This year field 8 was £60
If I had to buy a ticket with camping for £175 I would and I find it very sad that for the cost of £50/60 more if one wished to stay a little longer others would not attend
It works out about a quid a week over the year.
If people really think so little of the festival and are not prepared to support it and/or outside organisations then there is no future.
Make no mistake imo field 8 and BM would still sell out because there would be plenty of people happy to buy an all in ticket and forego the inclusive camping for the continence of field 8/BM

I posted on this site last year that Iíd heard that field 8 would be independent this year and itís my opinion that inclusive tickets will be the next thing.
£175 with or without camping
A cropredy festival safeguarded for the future and money in the kitty for acts that were previously out of reach...
Iíve no problem with that if it means being in an Oxfordshire field every August.

Judging by the way that glamping sells out with more tents each year that are @£500 before you buy a ticket there are plenty out there who are prepared to pay a lot more!!

Regards pensioners and not camping
I think the organisers have shown terrible shortsightedness in this
They should have realised they would lose revenue by customers not camping and should have increased ticket prices for a ticket only particularly a Saturday only one many years ago to make up for the loss in revenue.
You should pay more for a ticket on its own than one with the camping added on.
Thatís not rocket science
The shortfall of camping revenue has to be made up somewhere and a premium on ticket only was the way to go....
As an aside nick
If your ailments mean you are disabled you can get in a field opposite the top gate on williamscote road on the Wednesday.
You just need to show you have a blue badge..
This may help you if you meet the relevant conditions.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 26, 2019, 06:45:57 PM
Steve you are obvious a fanatic, in the nicest way, as I have been for many years, but needs must. If your proposals are adopted you may well cut out many of the casual attendees which the festival clearly needs.
I have used the disabled field when self and Mrs Reg broke our ankles in successive years, but it is clearly being abused. I wont apply under false pretences like some do. My symptoms are not regular and not obvious but I have ended up in the first aid tent or similar three times in the last 2 years, at different festivals as several on here will testify. It is related to Atrial fibrillation and I am generally OK but like to be in an environment that is relaxing. We actually camped in the disabled area this year at Shrewsbury by accident but the found that I needed it!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: RobertD on November 26, 2019, 08:39:46 PM
Seems worthwhile to mention something Peggy and Simon have both said many the time which is the first year the festival operates at a loss that would likely be the end of it. Even if its not a complete loss, there obviously has to be some trimming. Same as it happens in any business. And the festival is a business. In a business context cuts are never appreciated, but if it helps the overall outlook they must be considered. I'm certain that these decisions were not taken lightly, randomly, or without serious consideration. I'm sure too that they were made to keep as much of the festival (as it is now) running smoothly. Additionally, this is not the first time that Cropredy norms have been shaken up, the same with any annual event. Way back at the start of the festival somebody clearly realized that a blue tarpaulin tied above the stage was not quite sufficient and perhaps a proper rig would have to be considered the following year. Or that with more punters, more toilets would have to be added. Or wrist bands worn the entire weekend be mandatory. And the list goes on. Seems to me that virtually every year some adjustment is made necessitated by changes in audience, demand, traffic, camping, revenue, food, and requests from the village itself. Change is never easy, but like with a business, the desire is that things pick up after making the changes.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 26, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
Great post!  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on November 26, 2019, 10:53:12 PM
I hope the various venues, including the festival itself, get their act together about plastic glasses. †I've got a growing collection of reusable glasses which cost either 1 or 2 pounds from other festivals. It's practical and a souvenir. I remember trying to use one last year, I think at the Brasenose, and it being refused. †They would pour it into a plastic glass for me, †then into mine and wouldn't accept it defeated the object

We had the same experience, but with pewter tankards. The excuse given was that they couldn't be certain that they held exactly a pint, so they needed to use their calibrated glasses to ensure that they were serving the correct amount. Didn't have this problem in the beer tent at the festival.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 27, 2019, 08:05:08 AM
I don't know if it's ever been considered and costed, but, rather than including camping in the ticket price, backpackers and motorcycles camping free, could now be ended.
This would increase funds, but enable those not camping not to pay for something they do not use, and for those that do use it to pay for it.
As with any price increase, there is likely to be a loss of sales in a chicken and the egg type of situation.

As far as the fringe goes, I would support the actual festival itself, loyalty wise.
This is becoming a challenge with the sort of acts being booked on the fringe...some friends, some more well known names from the glorious Seventies that I missed 'cos I was a nipper.
I much prefer a single stage event than one where I'd like to see three different acts in three different locations at the same time.
Maybe the Future is Fairport bowing out and the village actually becoming The Cropredy Festival...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 27, 2019, 08:15:28 AM

Maybe the Future is Fairport bowing out and the village actually becoming The Cropredy Festival...


That would be sad.  To me, it's the diminishing of it being "Fairport's festival" post-Chris Pegg that has disappointed me really.  I guess the real start of that was the move to 2.5 days from 1.5 (which came while Chris was still in charge I think)...there aren't enough Fairport and friends type bands to justify that anymore I suppose... :(


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Malcolm on November 27, 2019, 08:47:21 AM


Maybe the Future is Fairport bowing out and the village actually becoming The Cropredy Festival...


That would be sad. †To me, it's the diminishing of it being "Fairport's festival" post-Chris Pegg that has disappointed me really. †I guess the real start of that was the move to 2.5 days from 1.5 (which came while Chris was still in charge I think)...there aren't enough Fairport and friends type bands to justify that anymore I suppose... :(


David, I share with you the happy memories of the 1.5 day festival, particularly the Thursday afternoon session in the back bar of the Brasenose.

Re 'friends' we must also remember that, since the festival started, five FC members have died: Trevor, Swarb, Maart, Bruce and Roger Hill while Jerry will never play again.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on November 27, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Apologies for being thick but can someone confirm what the situation is with Field 8?

Is it now running as a mini festival alongside the main site with it's own camping and music lineup running from Tuesday night till Saturday?

I must admit it seems an odd thing to happen - not quite the free fringe, not quite the main festival. Also will you need a Field 8 Ticket to have breakfast there etc, will they have their own security ... all seems a bit confusing to me.


DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 27, 2019, 11:11:15 AM

Apologies for being thick but can someone confirm what the situation is with Field 8?

Is it now running as a mini festival alongside the main site with it's own camping and music lineup running from Tuesday night till Saturday?

I must admit it seems an odd thing to happen - not quite the free fringe, not quite the main festival. Also will you need a Field 8 Ticket to have breakfast there etc, will they have their own security ... all seems a bit confusing to me.


DW

And will field 8 still have a main festival wristband stall on the Wednesday.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 27, 2019, 11:27:35 AM
Now being completely independent of the festival, I suspect this is quite unlikely


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on November 27, 2019, 11:42:38 AM

Now being completely independent of the festival, I suspect this is quite unlikely


So will it effectively be like The Edge only with camping?

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on November 27, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
My view, who cares about my view, but here goes anyway. Cropredy has grown to a size that needs large numbers to cover the cost of the many acts, some bigger names, the security, the organisation. As any business knows, overheads become an ever increasing factor just to stand still. Yes, the ethos has gone slightly, and I am sad it is less about Fairport and more just a generic festival these days, and as the oldies amongst us get older then this will increase.
Look at some of the smaller festivals making a nice enough living for their organisers without outgrowing their roots (New Forest for example).
Cropredy needs to decide if it is mainstream and competing with the big boys, or medium and specialised. I am sure Simon and Peggy make a very handsome living out of it, lets face it, they can't earn much from their record sales! If its that much of a headache they could always sell the concept.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 27, 2019, 04:37:02 PM

Apologies for being thick but can someone confirm what the situation is with Field 8?

Is it now running as a mini festival alongside the main site with it's own camping and music lineup running from Tuesday night till Saturday?

I must admit it seems an odd thing to happen - not quite the free fringe, not quite the main festival. Also will you need a Field 8 Ticket to have breakfast there etc, will they have their own security ... all seems a bit confusing to me.


DW


Field 8 will be completely independent from the festival
It will be filling the void for those who want longer than the three day stay,it will be open from Tuesday till the following Monday for camping.
It will have its own security.
You do not need a fairport ticket to get in so can have breakfast there.
Imo itís an own goal the official organisers not doing 4 day camping but finding a field for glamping if you have £500 to spend.
Why that is I have no idea...?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dan O. on November 27, 2019, 08:33:06 PM


They should have realised they would lose revenue by customers not camping and should have increased ticket prices for a ticket only particularly a Saturday only one many years ago to make up for the loss in revenue.


Ahem...what about those who aren't able to take the week off for the whole festival ?

What about those, myself included, who want a bit o' the old Croppers experience - those who want to watch FC's Saturday night set and meet old friends on the ledge, but don't want to camp and are happy to come up just for the day ?

You're basically saying they should be penalised for having the choice - Saturday only tickets are pricey enough as they are. They were £75 each in 2017, the last time I went. I appreciate that's the same as a premium outdoor gig (actually there are plenty that cost more than that), but it's not significantly less than a 3 day ticket. They're obviously not encouraging day trippers at that price, but offer the option because they know that people require it. If anything, that's a premium charge for wanting to go Saturday only !


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 27, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 27, 2019, 10:34:51 PM

Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: giottoscircle (Robert) on November 27, 2019, 11:24:37 PM


Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


Is that correct? Saturday only are sold whilst three day tickets are also sold. So if we have X thousand with tickets (Saturday and three day) booked for Saturday the organisers can't sell three day ones?
 Just trying to,sort out the maths. I have lots of ill judged and totally personal views on how to make my favourite weekend better.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 28, 2019, 07:32:39 AM


Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


It would make much more sense to sell Saturday only tickets on the day if they were available rather than put them on sale in advance.
That way you know you are not losing three day ticket revenue.
Three day tickets with camping should be the main priority as that is the main source of income.
Only on the Saturday itself IF there is room should Saturday tickets be available.
That is just maximising revenue,itís not rocket science.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 28, 2019, 07:56:31 AM



Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


It would make much more sense to sell Saturday only tickets on the day if they were available rather than put them on sale in advance.
That way you know you are not losing three day ticket revenue.
Three day tickets with camping should be the main priority as that is the main source of income.
Only on the Saturday itself IF there is room should Saturday tickets be available.
That is just maximising revenue,itís not rocket science.


I understand the point, but that would result in no (or virtually no) Sat ticket sales.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: MarkV on November 28, 2019, 08:00:20 AM




Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


It would make much more sense to sell Saturday only tickets on the day if they were available rather than put them on sale in advance.
That way you know you are not losing three day ticket revenue.
Three day tickets with camping should be the main priority as that is the main source of income.
Only on the Saturday itself IF there is room should Saturday tickets be available.
That is just maximising revenue,itís not rocket science.


I understand the point, but that would result in no (or virtually no) Sat ticket sales.


It might work if Saturday tickets were sold only after a certain date, say from the beginning of June.  


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on November 28, 2019, 11:03:38 AM

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.


But there in lies the rub - it isn't unique any more......and that is why ticket sales are down


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on November 28, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
Lets face it, when Cropredy started there were very few festivals, perhaps only major ones like Isle of Wight and the odd Knebworth. Now there are festivals all over the country every weekend of the summer. Cornbury and Wickham are close enough to Cropredy to have an impact on their ticket sales. Cropredy is only unique to those who have attended for many years, watching kids grow up and seeing generation after generation attend. To the average punter it is just another festival these days, and so to attract them it needs ever bigger names at ever increasing fees. Only by reviewing their business plan and perhaps focusing on it being a pure folk/folkrock festival will it maintain its niche. I love Cropredy but I get sad each passing year it is losing its core appeal. Ticket prices are creeping up, and actually Saturday only is not cost effective any more, better value to buy Friday and Saturday. I understood they tried to push for more 1 and 2 day tickets to avoid too much traffic on the Thursday.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on November 28, 2019, 02:21:48 PM




Yes in these times Saturday only tickets should carry a premium price.
Letís do the maths....
A cropredy festival actually sells out.
There are many who want to buy a three day ticket but canít.....
Why?
Because there may be up to a thousand who only turn up Saturday putting far less into the kitty and therefore stop others attending the three days willing to pay more for a ticket...

At the end of the day you can watch FC at many one evening gigs throughout the year.

If you wish the cropredy festival to survive and only turn up on a Saturday you should be paying a premium price to do it as in sell out years as explained above you are causing a loss in revenue....

This is about keeping a unique three day festival going.
I donít care if people turn up for three days or two hours thatís their choice
If the festival is to remain a going concern everyone should pay the same.

But it's only sold out a small handful of times, so any Saturday tickets sold are extra bunce for the coffers.


It would make much more sense to sell Saturday only tickets on the day if they were available rather than put them on sale in advance.
That way you know you are not losing three day ticket revenue.
Three day tickets with camping should be the main priority as that is the main source of income.
Only on the Saturday itself IF there is room should Saturday tickets be available.
That is just maximising revenue,itís not rocket science.


I understand the point, but that would result in no (or virtually no) Sat ticket sales.
And probably take away most if not all of the profit.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PaulT on November 29, 2019, 06:25:33 AM
Peter Richards has posted on the Fairporters fb page a couple of cryptic clues about 2 confirmed Brasenose performers...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 29, 2019, 06:47:55 AM

Peter Richards has posted on the Fairporters fb page a couple of cryptic clues about 2 confirmed Brasenose performers...


I thought he'd posted the full programme, in about Sept? †As I recall it was very impressive, but having said that have forgotten who was on it, mind. †Maybe I'm imagining it.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: madsue on November 29, 2019, 08:50:49 AM
Oxford Mail have posted a list of artists playing in 2020


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: quodlibet (Ian) on November 29, 2019, 08:58:08 AM

Oxford Mail have posted a list of artists playing in 2020


I'm in.  :)

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/leisure/18068421.fairport-conventions-cropredy-festival-reveals-2020-line-up---richard-thompson/


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on November 29, 2019, 09:00:40 AM


Oxford Mail have posted a list of artists playing in 2020


I'm in.  :)

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/leisure/18068421.fairport-conventions-cropredy-festival-reveals-2020-line-up---richard-thompson/


Sounds good to me!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tim Fletcher on November 29, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
Full House you say? Where do I pay?

As usual a nice mixture of the known and unknown. One act I shall go off for a wander elsewhere but I can live with that.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on November 29, 2019, 09:44:01 AM
That's looks and feels like a proper Cropredy lineup. †Rosalie Cunningham, eh? †Somebody's been reading Shindig (and the like)....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 29, 2019, 09:47:27 AM
Turin Brakes!!!!! I've been asking for them for years  :D  :D

Loads of other good stuff too :) very happy so far {:-)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: SteveT on November 29, 2019, 09:51:31 AM
Rosalie is a local girl as far as I'm concerned, so very pleased to see her at Cropredy. I saw her new album launch gig in the upstairs room of a pub a couple of months ago and it was fantastic.
I've been a fan for many years now - for those that aren't aware she was the driving force behind Purson, and we'll get to hear plenty of that material in her set.
For fans of quirky, trippy, rocky psychedelia  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: mickf on November 29, 2019, 10:15:09 AM
Well, that's good. Some excellent names there. Due to various boring issues I missed the last two festivals but I'll definitely be going in 2020. How is it that the names are in the Oxford Mail but still not up on the official website?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on November 29, 2019, 10:22:07 AM

Well, that's good. Some excellent names there. Due to various boring issues I missed the last two festivals but I'll definitely be going in 2020. How is it that the names are in the Oxford Mail but still not up on the official website?


I'm guessing they got a press release from FC, and jumped the gun on publishing it.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on November 29, 2019, 10:24:26 AM
At last...

All the way from New York...

The grand slambovians ;D

If youíve never seen them you are in for a treat
GREAT live band


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on November 29, 2019, 10:30:51 AM

At last...

All the way from New York...

The grand slambovians ;D

If youíve never seen them you are in for a treat
GREAT live band
I just YouTube'd them - they're fab! I think they could be my "festival find" :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on November 29, 2019, 10:53:18 AM
Pleased about Turin Brakes, Rosalie Cunningham - I never got to see her in Purson, although I have the second album - but now I get to see her in..in person - (Somebody had tosay it.) and Sharon Shannon.
And Full Houseness is always a plus.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: StephenB on November 29, 2019, 11:08:28 AM
Mostly ok for me. The mighty Shannon flows nicely. Turin Brakes slow down my enthusiasm. Home Service is a home run. Southern Comfort has a warm glow with a kick. Full House is a great hand to play. I'm always left at this stage hopeful but silently dreading what they'll come up with as the final headliner.
Right now I'm about two thirds along the whelmometer scale (from underwhelmed to overwhelmed)...

Ps..I've got my hat on already, but maestro as he is, I don't know if I need an annual RT set. (Mods please amend if this breaks T&Cs †;)

Pps. And why the Merry Hell is there still no Merry Hell?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on December 01, 2019, 09:22:06 AM
Do we know prices for the tiered tickets yet?



Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on December 01, 2019, 02:34:26 PM
To transfer the debate about returning acts and so on, to the chatter, rather than the thread for discussing the acts themselves...

It seems that last year, the takings were way down, possibly due to weather warnings...and this no doubt had some bearing on both changes and the bill this year.

It may be that opening a field on Wednesday was not financially viable, and not continued.

The returning acts ? It may be that the organisers have gone for big hits that they know, or hope, will attract people back this year.
Some will be put off by that, some will love that: 'I like them, I liked them, and they were great...and they're ALL on this year...Gimme a ticket !'
Simon has said in the Fairporters group on Facebook that we can help by trying to bring a newbie along this year.
The familiar story of us all getting too old for all this malarky, and the new people coming in perhaps less loyal to Fairport than the rest of us.

I get the feeling our support is needed this year.









Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 01, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
I have no problem with bands coming back for repeat visits - even the ones Iím not so keen on, because I know someone will be happy about it.
I know Iím a Pollyanna but Iíd much rather look for reasons to go, than reasons to stay away. Also, the organisers canít just decide to put on specific bands, the acts have to be available, at the right price. They do a terrific job with what is available to them.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Gareth (GWR71) on December 01, 2019, 11:56:37 PM

I know Iím a Pollyanna but Iíd much rather look for reasons to go, than reasons to stay away

Isn't that part of the problem, though? Not enough people seeing reasons to go (and that's going to come down largely to the lineup), given that it's not a cheap weekend by any means?

2019 has made it plain that the Cropredy hardcore, the ones who buy their tickets as soon as they're on sale and don't care about the lineup, aren't enough - the festival needs significant numbers of the more fickle punters to turn up as well.

The poor weather forecasts last year clearly played a part in deterring ticket sales in the last couple of weeks and walk-ups during the festival itself, but I know that if it was a really stonking bill, my thought process would be "Well, the forecast isn't good but that's such a strong lineup that it's worth taking a punt, because maybe the weather won't be so bad".

The 2020 lineup doesn't enthuse me very much I'm afraid. And I have to add to the chorus of "Why are Merry Hell still so conspicuous by their absence"? By all accounts the band are dying to be asked, and they seem absolutely tailor-made for Cropredy.
 


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Adam on December 02, 2019, 07:37:25 AM
If anyone is going for glamping, packages are on sale already (just booked mine at 7 am)....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 02, 2019, 08:19:13 AM

If anyone is going for glamping, packages are on sale already (just booked mine at 7 am)....
Thanks for the nod - mine is also purchased :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 02, 2019, 09:37:57 AM

Do we know prices for the tiered tickets yet?


The Tier 1 prices are on the 'order-by-cheque# form on the FC website -

Weekend ADULT - £145
Weekend Teen - £75
Add £50 for weekend camping per vehicle


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 02, 2019, 10:04:59 AM
All ordered
Happy days


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on December 02, 2019, 10:06:54 AM
Just got ours as part of the "First Release" (assume this means Tier 1).

Just 254 days to go :-)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: SteveT on December 02, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
I'm in  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on December 02, 2019, 10:09:37 AM
£145 tier one seems steep. Makes you wonder how much final release will be.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 02, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
Tickets bought - payment site crashed on me though first 2 times.  Here's hoping I've bought 2 and not 6 !


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on December 02, 2019, 10:16:47 AM
Ordered!  Don't think I have ever bought before Christmas before!  

Suckered in by the tier system though - since we don't know how many tickets are available in each tier, and how much it goes up for each subsequent tier.  Previously I'd always buy sometime in the spring, just before the price rose.  But I guess that's the reason why they are doing it - hoping to get more money in the bank earlier on.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on December 02, 2019, 10:17:56 AM

£145 tier one seems steep. Makes you wonder how much final release will be.


Same price as last year I think with camping £5 more.

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on December 02, 2019, 10:41:47 AM


£145 tier one seems steep. Makes you wonder how much final release will be.


Same price as last year I think with camping £5 more.

DW


Yes but I assumed that early bird might be a bit less to encourage those keen to get on board.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tim Fletcher on December 02, 2019, 10:42:23 AM


£145 tier one seems steep. Makes you wonder how much final release will be.


Same price as last year I think with camping £5 more.

DW

Just checked last yearís email - I think it is tickets £5 more and £5 more for camping. So £15 more for two of us. The teen ticket will have more than offset that increase for my brother & sister in law.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Jethro (Derek) on December 02, 2019, 10:44:49 AM

All ordered
Happy days


Same here (regular camping, not glamping !). No probs with the website  ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: mickf on December 02, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
Just ordered mine. Only the second time I've ordered early


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 02, 2019, 10:58:24 AM


If anyone is going for glamping, packages are on sale already (just booked mine at 7 am)....
Thanks for the nod - mine is also purchased :)
And also my tickets 🎫 🎫 ⛺️ 🍺 🎶 🎸


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on December 02, 2019, 11:01:59 AM
Tickets purchased - just have to wait now...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dubai Danny on December 02, 2019, 11:02:42 AM

since we don't know how many tickets are available in each tier, and how much it goes up for each subsequent tier

They won't want the tier 4 price to be so high as to be a disincentive for last-minuters/walk-ups, who probably account for a non-trivial amount of the profits in a better year than 2019.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Adam on December 02, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
Done! Also the first appearance for Mrs Adam for a good 10 years or so!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Brian Green on December 02, 2019, 01:16:52 PM
Can we have the countdown to Cropredy timer back on the board please? :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Yorkshire Chris on December 02, 2019, 03:46:48 PM

Can we have the countdown to Cropredy timer back on the board please? :)


And until it appears a 'Countdown to Cropredy Timer' timer....!  ;)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on December 02, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
Mission accomplished


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Addie on December 02, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
£145 for "early birds", What on earth are the tier 4 prices going to be! Sadly, it's really out of our price range now.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 02, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Iím old school I put a fiver in a tin each week


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on December 03, 2019, 12:42:16 AM

2019 ....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular,everyone attending had to have a festival ticket......... So lets detach it....outcome =

2020.....Field 8 ...very well run and very popular, sold out already and no one attending has to have a festival ticket..

2019 ....Field7b ...Open from Wednesday and very popular,........ So lets not do it this year....

Seems a strange response to a bad year attendance wise..

Is Cropredy Festival now being run by Prince Andrews PR Team???

You can now come to Cropredy for Festival Week and camp at Bridge Meadow or Field 8 and enjoy music at four different venues,get all the vibe of the event and not set foot on the main field. Quite an own goal me thinks.

I did that for 4 yrs Trev , before Bridge Meadow got known. Only 5 vans on it when I first used it in 2013 .


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on December 03, 2019, 09:29:11 AM
80% of Tier 1 tickets sold, according to a post from FC on Facebook.  And glamping sold out already too.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
Indeed, on twitter too. So achieving their intention of getting more funds in sooner


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 03, 2019, 12:07:43 PM
Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 03, 2019, 12:26:09 PM

Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.
Come along Nick Reg. You know you want to....  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 03, 2019, 01:02:19 PM

Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.

I've bought but completely understand the point, when you compare what you get for your money at Cropredy, as regards music, to other festivals it doesn't stack up well. Leave the money out of it and it won't make much difference.  There is just something that draws me back. I have no idea about how difficult it is to book bands/artists or any financial constraints, so I speak from a position of total ignorance - it feels to me like they've gone for a very safe line up, when I thought they were quite adventurous last year (FT, Gogol ) and look what happened
 
There also seems to be a tendency to bring back an act that was popular , Pierce Brothers for example,  and bump them up the bill.  Trevor Horn and Steve Hackett being this years examples. Do these bands attract a higher fee now ?  I'm made up though that Steve Hackett is back.

I find the price of beer at the bar prohibitive btw,   think I only bought 2 pints there last year.

and it's bound to be sunny this time....





Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 03, 2019, 01:12:58 PM

Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.


I'm intrigued by this comment, as I think this line up reflects far more accurately the earlier festivals than it does those of more recent years, which is probably why it appeals to me so.  

I've been to lots of festivals with outstanding lineups of 100 bands on 3 or more stages over 4 days.  I still probably only really watch half a dozen sets or thereabouts...  As in so many things in this crazy old world, less is so much more.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 03, 2019, 01:27:02 PM


Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.

I've bought but completely understand the point, when you compare what you get for your money at Cropredy, as regards music, to other festivals it doesn't stack up well. Leave the money out of it and it won't make much difference. †There is just something that draws me back. I have no idea about how difficult it is to book bands/artists or any financial constraints, so I speak from a position of total ignorance - it feels to me like they've gone for a very safe line up, when I thought they were quite adventurous last year (FT, Gogol ) and look what happened
 
There also seems to be a tendency to bring back an act that was popular , Pierce Brothers for example, †and bump them up the bill. †Trevor Horn and Steve Hackett being this years examples. Do these bands attract a higher fee now ? †I'm made up though that Steve Hackett is back.

I find the price of beer at the bar prohibitive btw, † think I only bought 2 pints there last year.

and it's bound to be sunny this time....






Money has absolutely nothing to with it. I go to Shrewsbury which is probably the most expensive. The few acts they have announced so far include the superb Blackie and The Rodeo Kings, Show of Hands and The Young Uns, together with a folk opera that could be every bit as good as the Transports was a few years ago. I'll certainly be shelling out for that one. The bar shouldn't be a problem for anyone as you can take your own. I don't mind paying a bit extra because I understand whats involved.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on December 03, 2019, 02:02:01 PM


Still having a serious think about 2020 . I've done 33 on the trot but never been so disappointed with the line up. There is a good chance that I will crack in the end but wont be buying for now. We have done 7 festivals this year and if I had to rank them in terms of the music alone Cropredy would not come out well. But of course there is more to it than that.


I'm intrigued by this comment, as I think this line up reflects far more accurately the earlier festivals than it does those of more recent years, which is probably why it appeals to me so. †

I've been to lots of festivals with outstanding lineups of 100 bands on 3 or more stages over 4 days. †I still probably only really watch half a dozen sets or thereabouts... †As in so many things in this crazy old world, less is so much more.


I'm with you on both parts of that...there are a couple of heavy metal festivals in Europe with excellent line ups - if you like that sort of thing - and across 5 stages, it's impossible to see them all. It's a pain as well, when you see several bands announced you want to see, you buy a ticket, because it sells out in a couple of hours, and you find out, when the running order is announced, that they are all on at the same time.

As for what constitutes a good line up, well it's a bit SchrŲdinger's Cat...the line up can be both great and poop at the same time depending on the observer. With up to 20,000 varying states from one extreme to the other, It's not a job I'd like to undertake every year.

As tier one has sold so quickly, I guess either the line up or the experience of being there is working for the lads, so good for them.
On the down side, it's another bit of stress that didn't happen in ye olde days.
Rush to get a ticket...
Rush to get a camping spot...
Rush to get a spot in the field...

It used to be so laid back.
The times they are a changing...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 02:04:37 PM
In the/your early days, did you ever (need to) rush to get a camping spot? I didn't.....age does change your outlook


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on December 03, 2019, 02:14:38 PM
Thursday and Friday nights effectively tribute bands, apart from Friday mid / low bill not impressive having checked youtube, will I pay £80 for a one day ticket to hear Full House?

Off to the fringe I think.

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on December 03, 2019, 02:30:24 PM

In the/your early days, did you ever (need to) rush to get a camping spot? I didn't.....age does change your outlook


No...I always ended up on two or three, but I didn't care where I was. Thursday was chill day. Now I end up on four.
I'm aware of issues with health and age...I was stuck in my tent all weekend this year with mine.
The rush is for all though, the main contributor to that is the festival starting on Thursday...
There would be less pressure on the old and infirm if that was still the case, or indeed if we had Wednesday...but that increases the cost, as we have discussed before.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 02:39:06 PM
Sorry, I don't agree - there would still be a rush, as most now care where they camp. It's life, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 03, 2019, 02:44:50 PM

Sorry, I don't agree - there would still be a rush, as most now care where they camp. It's life, unfortunately.


That's a self-fulfilling prophecy pre-determined by the mindless idiots on a Thursday morning refusing to follow rules (and sadly, said rules not being fully enforced, thereby ensuring said rules are not followed)....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Brian Green on December 03, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
It would be interesting if those rules were enforced!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on December 03, 2019, 03:14:21 PM
Before, there was a day and a half to turn up..you could get the field you wanted/needed if you got there early Thursday.
But there was no rush...you could take your time and still get the field you wanted.
If you turned up on Friday you might not have as much choice.
I still take my time, and I've been squeezed onto four if you like.
Now you have a seven hour window of opportunity, where before you had that and an extra day...so it's the primary problem, everybody is all squished into a smaller time frame, and now they have to compete. †:-\





Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
95% of Tier 1 tickets sold!

Chances theyíll be on Tier 2 tomorrow....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
Now Tier 1 all gone

Tier 2 just a fiver more


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 03, 2019, 06:39:00 PM
How does it work if you posted a form yesterday with a cheque?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Sue & Chris on December 03, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
Tickets bought, at Tier 2 prices, which I can't say I'm happy about. †The words 'forget it then' briefly crossed my mind, but then of course I wasn't about to break a 26 year streak. †I do wonder though whether the less committed shopper would be quite so sanguine at being charged £5 a ticket more than someone who managed to get online an hour earlier... †The keen Cropredy goers who always purchase early are surely not the target market if they want to increase attendance, and I'm not sure that charging some people a (presumably) £15 premium for buying later on is going to bring in those who are undecided. †


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 03, 2019, 06:55:22 PM

How does it work if you posted a form yesterday with a cheque?

Iíd imagine itíll get sent back saying all tier one tickets are sold out.
Probably not what you wanted to hear but logical.
If tickets sell out in a day before your cheque arrives what other answer is there?
An unfortunate turn of events and perhaps with hindsight next year the organisers will not accept mail payment until tier two to stop it happening again.
I imagine they were just unprepared for the sheer amount of sales.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 03, 2019, 07:43:22 PM


How does it work if you posted a form yesterday with a cheque?

Iíd imagine itíll get sent back saying all tier one tickets are sold out.
Probably not what you wanted to hear but logical.
If tickets sell out in a day before your cheque arrives what other answer is there?
An unfortunate turn of events and perhaps with hindsight next year the organisers will not accept mail payment until tier two to stop it happening again.
I imagine they were just unprepared for the sheer amount of sales.


Not me, and tbh I was surprised there was a cheque option, but I bet someone got caught that way.  Not being prepared....? Hmmm.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris J on December 03, 2019, 08:04:44 PM
 >:( So, how many tier 1 tickets do you reckon were available. It can't have been that many if they sell out in a day. I don't think the line up could cause any sort of frenzy. I've been attending Cropredy since 2004, and I know prices go up every year but it's gone from £340 for two of us, including camping, to £350 in the space of a day. I love Cropredy because of it's independence, it's the bands festival, and the fans festival returning year after year, but I'm not sure I like the way it's going now.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on December 03, 2019, 09:09:04 PM
Two tickets bought last night at tier one prices even though Iím not 100% enamoured with the line-up as over 40% of the acts (even excluding Richards Thompson and Digance) have played the festival before :o so effectively paying nearly £60 for acts Iíve already seen at the festival
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Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2019, 09:43:53 AM



How does it work if you posted a form yesterday with a cheque?

Iíd imagine itíll get sent back saying all tier one tickets are sold out.
Probably not what you wanted to hear but logical.
If tickets sell out in a day before your cheque arrives what other answer is there?
An unfortunate turn of events and perhaps with hindsight next year the organisers will not accept mail payment until tier two to stop it happening again.
I imagine they were just unprepared for the sheer amount of sales.


Not me, and tbh I was surprised there was a cheque option, but I bet someone got caught that way.  Not being prepared....? Hmmm.


Knowinjg FC, I suspect (& hope) that they'll honour postal requests postmarked the day they sold out of Tier 1 (and maybe the day after too), otherwise as you say, no point in accepting them until Tier 2 (possibly Tier 3 if Tier 2 sell out just as quickly)

But I do think they are dair....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: barton cobbler on December 04, 2019, 05:41:43 PM

 >:( So, how many tier 1 tickets do you reckon were available. It can't have been that many if they sell out in a day. I don't think the line up could cause any sort of frenzy. .

This is what makes this way of selling tickets SO BAD !!! † † Not saying they have, but what's to stop someone in FC Towers saying "OK lads do we fancy another fiver or tenner off each punter ? right just say all the Tier 1 tickets have gone" No one has any idea if 1000, 5000 or 10000 tickets were available at the "Early Bird" price, piss poor in my opinion and I've been to every Cropredy since the first on Crossman's lawn †>:(


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 04, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Use your heads, peoples.  It's to create momentum, and a sense that one needs to get in there and pronto.  It's 21st century end game capitalism.  Everybody's doing it, you know....  ;) :) ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: barton cobbler on December 04, 2019, 05:57:18 PM

Use your heads, peoples. †It's to create momentum, and a sense that one needs to get in there and pronto. †It's 21st century end game capitalism. †Everybody's doing it, you know.... †;) :) ;D

It creates momentum for 2 days !! Everyone knows it's not going to sell out so once you've missed the "bargains" you can sit back and consider if you can spend your money better else where.
   


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: StephenB on December 04, 2019, 07:03:59 PM
And those who got lucky can celebrate with a well-deserved pint (well, that's most of the saved fiver gone...)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 04, 2019, 08:35:58 PM


Use your heads, peoples. †It's to create momentum, and a sense that one needs to get in there and pronto. †It's 21st century end game capitalism. †Everybody's doing it, you know.... †;) :) ;D

It creates momentum for 2 days !! Everyone knows it's not going to sell out so once you've missed the "bargains" you can sit back and consider if you can spend your money better else where.
 † †

You know youíll be there though roger.
Itís only a fiver more....
Barely the price of a pint of fairport five!!
Everyone will know to book early next year if they want tier one tickets...
In fairness during the first day of sales the official FC site was updating the amount of sales(as itís been posted on here the highest ticket number was near on 8,000 from memory so probably 10,000 sold) as itís now on tier two.
A good lineup imo although probably a headline act short but on the other hand the best supporting acts for a long while and a great variation of music.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tertonmike on December 05, 2019, 12:15:50 AM
Missed the boat on Tier 1, as I was trying to confirm with my troops how many tickets we needed.  In the end, I went ahead on spec. and got 6 online on Tuesday evening at the Tier 2 price (so that's a grand in the festival coffers from us, including 2 camping stickers!).   5 are already spoken for so I probably won't be out of pocket.

OtOH, I was not best pleased at the lack of advance information as to the numbers of tickets available in each tranche OR what the price increase will be each time.  Even now, if we need more than the 6 already bought, we have no idea if the next order will be in Tier 2, 3 or 4; NOR how much extra we'll have to pay if they have moved on to Tier 3 or 4.  

Also - and I realise it's an independent operation and may be subject to space constraints - we were prepared to stump up for glamping but that sold out PDQ too.   If it was such a success this year, why not increase the number of posh tents for 2020?  Or were they all pre-booked/allocated to mates before Monday?

All that said, I like the line-up; and we are in the "we go every year because we like the vibe AND the unexpectedly good acts we've never heard of AND the Fringe AND the breakfasts in the Canoe Club (AND the dingbats) and the school and the village hall AND the beer AND the food, irrespective of who's on the bill OR the weather" camp.   So although our numbers vary from year to year, we'll keep coming as long as we are able, as we have done for 11 years now and counting.

On the camping arrangements, I don't understand how Field 8 operates and never have - although we ended up there one year and it was fine, before the ticketing and organisation went independent - but we never bother trying to arrive at sparrowfart on Thursday so we almost always end up somewhere in Field 7 and it's always perfectly OK.  For this reason the lack of 4-day camping doesn't really impact on us either (although I'd like to arrive earlier at least once just to see how the atmosphere builds up, so it'd be good if the option was restored).

I don't understand the compulsion to form middle-of-the-night convoys and try to get a pitch within 6 inches of last year's position.  We have (a lot) further to come than most people and we find that, if you just chill out and take what's on offer when you arrive, you enjoy the whole experience more!   (Mind you, we were at the windward end of a row in 7b this year and the storm finally did for our 10-year old tent on Saturday night.  But it was a cheap one to start with and it didn't owe us anything by then so hey-ho - shiny new nylon in 2020 I guess!)

Roll on August!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tertonmike on December 05, 2019, 12:20:18 AM

Seems worthwhile to mention something Peggy and Simon have both said many the time which is the first year the festival operates at a loss that would likely be the end of it. Even if its not a complete loss, there obviously has to be some trimming. Same as it happens in any business. And the festival is a business. In a business context cuts are never appreciated, but if it helps the overall outlook they must be considered. I'm certain that these decisions were not taken lightly, randomly, or without serious consideration. I'm sure too that they were made to keep as much of the festival (as it is now) running smoothly. Additionally, this is not the first time that Cropredy norms have been shaken up, the same with any annual event. Way back at the start of the festival somebody clearly realized that a blue tarpaulin tied above the stage was not quite sufficient and perhaps a proper rig would have to be considered the following year. Or that with more punters, more toilets would have to be added. Or wrist bands worn the entire weekend be mandatory. And the list goes on. Seems to me that virtually every year some adjustment is made necessitated by changes in audience, demand, traffic, camping, revenue, food, and requests from the village itself. Change is never easy, but like with a business, the desire is that things pick up after making the changes.


BTW, despite the minor carps in my last post, I completely agree with RobertD's comments.   Even though I failed to get in at Tier 1 prices, the new ticketing policy certainly made us get our act together pretty sharpish and get our order in now (instead of on 30th May as usual!)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 05, 2019, 07:40:46 AM

OtOH, I was not best pleased at the lack of advance information as to the numbers of tickets available in each tranche OR what the price increase will be each time. †


Virtually every other large(ish) festival does this Tiered approach, and as far as I'm aware none of them provide the information you talk about above.  Why exactly would they provide such commercially sensitive data?!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wardi on December 05, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
In my other hobby of part time athlete, I recently entered a marathon in Barcelona. †It was made clear up front that the first 10,000 entries would be at the cheapest early bird price of 61 Euros. †Their FB posts and email messages notified us when they were down to the last 1000, 500 of these places so all interested parties were forewarned. †We were also told that the 2nd tier price would go up to 73 Euros. †I don't see any harm in being transparent about it, people will still pull their finger out and pay if it means saving a few quid. †A large event needs money to cover upfront and ongoing costs leading up to the big day/weekend so I can understand the need for a tiered system. †I just think that as above Cropredy should put either a numbers limit or date line on it so folks (no pun intended) know where they are.

Just to add this didn't affect me as I managed to get into the glamping field (for the price I think I could have enjoyed a weekend in Barcelona ::).) Incidentally this year's glampers received an email last Friday offering advance booking for next year which we duly took advantage of (just the camping, no festival tickets).

I am still baffled by the Field 8 saga but presumably there must be a simple explanation. ??? † † †


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on December 05, 2019, 09:18:20 AM
Interesting line up and one for Fairport afficianados I think.
Over the last few years it felt like Cropredy Fest was growing and morphing , gently, in to something else, eg the Ď bigí Thursday headliners . They were expensive but to some extent seemed to make the fest financially viable.
This year almost back to the model of years ago.
There were only 12,000 people there last year so has this yearís line up being designed for that core audience?
Trevor Horn , Steve Hackett and with the greatest of respect cos I love the album, Fairports doing Full House is unlikely to pull a younger audience so I really hope it works for Fairports and pulls an audience .
People on this site sometimes suggest I have become negative, I haven't.
I am writing this looking at the Farewell poster , which hangs in our Ď office/music room , which came from outside the Brase in 79. I was there for some fests in the 80ís and then 22fests from 90ís onwards.
I really hope it works and people have a great time.
I wonít be there, not because of lineup particularly but because my band is already booked for another fest that wend as I canít let others in the band down.
Those of you who will love this lineup have a great time. †I will be thinking of the field thatí wíend......


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: jude on December 05, 2019, 09:24:56 AM


There were only 12,000 people there last year so has this yearís line up being designed for that core audience?



Where did you come across that attendance figure Dave ?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tertonmike on December 05, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
Quote
Virtually every other large(ish) festival does this Tiered approach, and as far as I'm aware none of them provide the information you talk about above.  Why exactly would they provide such commercially sensitive data?!


Quote
In my other hobby of part time athlete, I recently entered a marathon in Barcelona.  It was made clear up front that the first 10,000 entries would be at the cheapest early bird price of 61 Euros.  Their FB posts and email messages notified us when they were down to the last 1000, 500 of these places so all interested parties were forewarned.  We were also told that the 2nd tier price would go up to 73 Euros.  I don't see any harm in being transparent about it, people will still pull their finger out and pay if it means saving a few quid.  A large event needs money to cover upfront and ongoing costs leading up to the big day/weekend so I can understand the need for a tiered system.  I just think that as above Cropredy should put either a numbers limit or date line on it so folks (no pun intended) know where they are.


What he said!⬆︎


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
What would be the point of knowing whether there are 8,000 or 9,000 or 10,000 (for example) in Tier 1. Unless they also put a counter of number sold on the website, it desn't help at all. And if they did put a counter up, it defeats the oblect of 'persuading' people to book early - and would create a mad rush when the counter got to the last 50ish....completely against the idea.

On the other  hand, I *do* think that they might advise us what the cost of each tier was, thus helping everyone to budget.

If as reported above, there were in excess of 8,000 sold at Tier i, that's over 40% of the tickets - a good quota at the cheapest price.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2019, 01:24:23 PM
I'm sure the organisers have good reason to sell tickets in this way. They will have taken advise on how to keep the festival going and in the black for as long as possible, and this is one way of doing it. They're never going to please everyone and I doubt if this is their aim.

There is every chance that they don't know what they're going to charge for 2nd, 3rd etc tiers, or when they will happen, as this will depend on how much income is being generated at the time. They probably have a model with algorithms assessing where they are and what they need to do next....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: blagden on December 05, 2019, 01:28:25 PM
Is Cropredy a charity? If not who makes what?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2019, 02:14:39 PM

Is Cropredy a charity? If not who makes what?
I'm pretty sure it's not. Isn't it run by Fairport Convention Ltd?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
Is that any of our business?

You could look up Fairport Convention Limited at Companies House for some idea


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2019, 02:20:39 PM

Is that any of our business?

You could look up Fairport Convention Limited at Companies House for some idea
Who runs a business is anyone and everyone's business Chris! Especially if you're about to spend nearly a grand with them, as I have just done.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2019, 02:26:23 PM
Indeed Bridget - but that wasn't the question....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: blagden on December 05, 2019, 03:05:29 PM
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05065172/filing-history/MzI0MDMzNjk5NmFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Three quarters of a million pound in the bank!

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05065172/filing-history/MzE0MzcyMjE4NWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Looks like Peggy owns more than half the shares.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on December 05, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
If that's in March, then the ticket money for Cropredy is coming in, but there will be a lot of expenses for that year's festival still to be paid.  I'd guess that if you looked at the bank account in September it would be a lot emptier!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: jude on December 05, 2019, 03:25:51 PM
Remember that the festival employs a lot of people including all the stewards who are paid, all the emergency services have to be paid for as do the stage crew and everything.. All eats into profit


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2019, 03:27:37 PM

Remember that the festival employs a lot of people including all the stewards who are paid, all the emergency services have to be paid for as do the stage crew and everything.. All eats into profit
I imagine there are numerous outgoings we could only guess at!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dubai Danny on December 05, 2019, 03:36:40 PM

There were only 12,000 people there last year so has this yearís line up being designed for that core audience?

Or to put it another way, because of the significantly lower attendance this year, did the reduced income force a lower-cost lineup for 2020?

Merry Hell would have been excellent value for more straitened times.

Just sayin' :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on December 05, 2019, 04:04:00 PM
I would feel guilty looking at the accounts!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 05, 2019, 07:17:34 PM

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05065172/filing-history/MzI0MDMzNjk5NmFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Three quarters of a million pound in the bank!

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05065172/filing-history/MzE0MzcyMjE4NWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Looks like Peggy owns more than half the shares.
The money in the bank is less than the creditors which will include amounts received in advance. It is net current assets you need to look at which are£130k.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: RobertD on December 05, 2019, 08:50:11 PM
No offense to anyone, but am I alone in feeling uncomfortable talking about assets and who holds the most shares, etc? I know this is a discussion board but is deep discussion of how much Fairport LTD has right now so important?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 05, 2019, 09:14:28 PM

No offense to anyone, but am I alone in feeling uncomfortable talking about assets and who holds the most shares, etc? I know this is a discussion board but is deep discussion of how much Fairport LTD has right now so important?


It's public information, which is the cost of being a limited company, but, yeah....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 05, 2019, 09:16:42 PM

No offense to anyone, but am I alone in feeling uncomfortable talking about assets and who holds the most shares, etc? I know this is a discussion board but is deep discussion of how much Fairport LTD has right now so important?


If its a limited company with LIMITED LIABILITY †then the figures disclosed are a matter of public record, so that anyone giving them credit or similar are entitled to assess the risk. Don't forget some festivals have gone bust leaving punters with worthless tickets. You can disclose nothing (except to the taxman and others demanding info before giving credit like banks) but you would have to trade as a partnership and be responsible for debts if the business fails ie you could lose your house. Every other business has the same choice to make but often for different reasons ie taxation.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 05, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
I would feel more uncomfortable if people were trying to hide things.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on December 05, 2019, 09:49:36 PM

No offense to anyone, but am I alone in feeling uncomfortable talking about assets and who holds the most shares, etc? I know this is a discussion board but is deep discussion of how much Fairport LTD has right now so important?


Agreed Robert.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 05, 2019, 10:56:13 PM


No offense to anyone, but am I alone in feeling uncomfortable talking about assets and who holds the most shares, etc? I know this is a discussion board but is deep discussion of how much Fairport LTD has right now so important?


Agreed Robert.


As someone who has done a lot of forensic investigations into fraud , I know why it is important to have information for those that want it, I still look at companies now after being retired for many years. I have never looked at FC though and wouldn't have done had this topic not come up! if I pay for anything in advance I always pay on credit card anyway so that the payment is insured.
Aside from work, a number of years ago by checking information at Companies House I managed to prevent an unjustified claim of preference by someone looking to take control of a football league club!! my two main hobbies are music and football, its just taking an interest.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on December 06, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
I do find it a bit bizarre that there are endless discussions on here about ticket prices, and how many tickets should be in each Tier and what information should be provided about pricing models, but that people seem to be queasy about discussing accounts which are in the public domain. I have entrusted the festival with a fair chunk of money this week in the expectation that they will provide me with a festival next August, so I'm happy to have as much financial transparency as possible.

On a more positive point, our tickets - and Xmas card - arrived this morning  :)



Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: StephenB on December 06, 2019, 12:37:06 PM
Call me old-fashioned, but .... I trust them. And I think if the whole thing does go belly up I'm very sure it won't be because of any underhand wheeling and dealing. Fairport have enhanced my life for 45ish years, and I'd be more than prepared to take the hit if it did go belly up for them (and us) rather than feeling any desire to trawl through their accounts and make a hard financial decision - it would feel like going through their underwear drawers to me. Every year I go to Crops I take the chance that I won't suffer unexpected financial loss from e.g. car breakdowns (and it did happen one year to the tune of much more than the ticket price). So while I agree everyone has the right to look where they want for whatever info is out there, it still feels a bit tacky to me (IMVHO) Just sayin...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 06, 2019, 01:15:54 PM

I'm very sure it won't be because of any underhand wheeling and dealing.


No idea why you would say that - there's been absolutely no suggestion from absolutely anyone that there has.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: StephenB on December 06, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
I'm sure I didn't say there was any such suggestion made here.  My point is, on the contrary (and why I said that, since you're not sure...)  that it is not an option to be considered. So if it goes down the tube simply because they couldn't make it work then so be it... but I don't see that trying to spot pointers to that in advance will be of much real use to people apart from accountants and the like. I'd rather trust them to get on with it, even if they occasionally do things I don't agree with
(Like why the Hell no Merry Hell?🥴)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 06, 2019, 03:11:52 PM


(Like why the Hell no Merry Hell?🥴)


There are no financial implications to that one!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on December 06, 2019, 05:59:58 PM



(Like why the Hell no Merry Hell?🥴)


There are no financial implications to that one!!


Politics, innit (whether party or otherwise)....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on December 08, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
I think the festival has been superbly managed and nurtured for many years.
Yes it has changed , of course it has and Peggy and Chrisís divorce necessitated a host of changes
But it has always been that friendly, welcoming festival.
I would hope they do make money from it, good luck to them , itís their business and has made other things possible over the years.
Some of my happiest festival experiences have been on that field.
BUT we are now in a time when there are far more festivals , more choices, more demands on peoples limited resources.
So I hope the festival thrives, however it has to be done. My personal view is that of course lineups are affected by economics and this yearís may be a genuine attempt to retain the core audience.
Peggy kept Fairport afloat , he deserves whatever he gets from it financially. They are not a charity and
I am firmly of the view that musicians should get paid.....😱😎


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on December 08, 2019, 04:07:21 PM
BUT we are now in a time when there are far more festivals , more choices, more demands on peoples limited resources.

Just to reinforce your point, this website currently has links to 62 different Folk & Acoustic festivals occurring in the UK in 2020 - https://www.armandalegmusic.com/festivals-2020.html


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on December 08, 2019, 04:08:16 PM

I think the festival has been superbly managed and nurtured for many years.
Yes it has changed , of course it has and Peggy and Chrisís divorce necessitated a host of changes
But it has always been that friendly, welcoming festival.
I would hope they do make money from it, good luck to them , itís their business and has made other things possible over the years.
Some of my happiest festival experiences have been on that field.
BUT we are now in a time when there are far more festivals , more choices, more demands on peoples limited resources.
So I hope the festival thrives, however it has to be done. My personal view is that of course lineups are affected by economics and this yearís may be a genuine attempt to retain the core audience.
Peggy kept Fairport afloat , he deserves whatever he gets from it financially. They are not a charity and
I am firmly of the view that musicians should get paid.....😱😎


Well said Dave....agree totally!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on December 08, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
If you wanted to make your fortune, running a music festival would be a pretty risky way to do it.

Even in the best years I suspect the financial returns would be modest compared with the work involved in planning and organising the event.

Quote
I am firmly of the view that musicians should get paid.....😱😎


Absolutely and I have always been impressed that the festival makes a point of paying for staff rather than relying on volunteers.



Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on December 08, 2019, 10:15:32 PM

BUT we are now in a time when there are far more festivals , more choices, more demands on peoples limited resources.

Just to reinforce your point, this website currently has links to 62 different Folk & Acoustic festivals occurring in the UK in 2020 - https://www.armandalegmusic.com/festivals-2020.html

Thanks Phil...
ukfolkfestivals.co.uk/england.php


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on December 09, 2019, 10:36:04 AM

Thanks Phil...
ukfolkfestivals.co.uk/england.php

That web site makes the point even more forcefully - it says "There are 235 festivals in our database for England this year."

So (ignoring scheduling conflicts, and if you had infinite money, time and appetite to attend  :)), there are more than 4 folk festivals taking place in England - let alone anywhere else - every single week of the year in 2020. That's the reality of the competitive environment that Cropredy is working in.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on December 10, 2019, 04:35:34 PM


Thanks Phil...
ukfolkfestivals.co.uk/england.php

That web site makes the point even more forcefully - it says "There are 235 festivals in our database for England this year."

So (ignoring scheduling conflicts, and if you had infinite money, time and appetite to attend †:)), there are more than 4 folk festivals taking place in England - let alone anywhere else - every single week of the year in 2020. That's the reality of the competitive environment that Cropredy is working in.

Indeed Phil and that doesnít include the myriad of small , local fests that now exist .


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 10, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
Cropredy has its heritage.
Itís also renowned for its friendliness.
They are big selling points for many attendees
Many festivals come and go and many are populated with idiots causing trouble.
Cropredy is the polar opposite and the attraction is not lost on its many attendees.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on December 11, 2019, 09:50:20 PM

Cropredy has its heritage.
Itís also renowned for its friendliness.
They are big selling points for many attendees
Many festivals come and go and many are populated with idiots causing trouble.
Cropredy is the polar opposite and the attraction is not lost on its many attendees.


Tickets arrived..Yippie (sadly no car sticker as yet).
One of the things that always baffles me is that one is allowed to bring food and alcohol into the Cropredy field, and yet so many (all) the other festivals claim their license does not allow it. I guess there are two concerns 1) trouble from over drinking 2) lack of profits for the organisers. Well I have never seen any bother because of over drinking at Cropredy (ok, a few enthusiastic attendees singing loudly perhaps), and certainly the queues at the bar and food stalls and often selling out suggest bringing your own does not dent any profits. It is one of the things that prevents me from going to many other festivals. Some even ban bringing a chair for goodness sake. Standing all weekend at my age? No thank you!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on December 11, 2019, 11:07:02 PM
The Ďchí word...mentioned so soon...shocking!  ;D ;)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 12, 2019, 11:15:29 AM


Cropredy has its heritage.
Itís also renowned for its friendliness.
They are big selling points for many attendees
Many festivals come and go and many are populated with idiots causing trouble.
Cropredy is the polar opposite and the attraction is not lost on its many attendees.


Tickets arrived..Yippie (sadly no car sticker as yet).
One of the things that always baffles me is that one is allowed to bring food and alcohol into the Cropredy field, and yet so many (all) the other festivals claim their license does not allow it. I guess there are two concerns 1) trouble from over drinking 2) lack of profits for the organisers. Well I have never seen any bother because of over drinking at Cropredy (ok, a few enthusiastic attendees singing loudly perhaps), and certainly the queues at the bar and food stalls and often selling out suggest bringing your own does not dent any profits. It is one of the things that prevents me from going to many other festivals. Some even ban bringing a chair for goodness sake. Standing all weekend at my age? No thank you!

The other festivals I go  regularly  allow you to bring your own drink/food and if you wish, a chair.  There are normally restrictions as to where you can sit, and you are not allowed to take glass into the festival arena, I've never seen any issues.   The only one I can remember going to regularly that didn't allow drink was the now defunct and much missed Wickerman, definitely seen issues there with people getting steamboated before entering the arena.

QED - allow drink, prevent trouble !
.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on December 12, 2019, 11:48:24 AM
If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 12, 2019, 12:20:13 PM

If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


Spot on - and when they bring 6X back price it sensibly


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 12, 2019, 01:16:08 PM


If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


Spot on - and when they bring 6X back price it sensibly
I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price? And (for comparison) what do they charge at the bar now?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 12, 2019, 02:01:03 PM



If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


Spot on - and when they bring 6X back price it sensibly
I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price? And (for comparison) what do they charge at the bar now?

Well, comparing again to other festivals I'd say anything around or just above the 4% abv mark is usually £4.00
I think 6X is 4.1%.  Once you get to the 5% level then it's more like £4.50.  Taxes and all that.

Round here we'd be paying £2.80 - £3.00.

Anorak moi ?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: StephenB on December 12, 2019, 04:04:35 PM
"anything around or just above the 4% abv mark is usually £4.00
I think 6X is 4.1%. †Once you get to the 5% level then it's more like £4.50. †Taxes and all that."
25% more alcohol for 12.5% more money...makes sense really.Thats why I always drink strong beer - it's better value  :P


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on December 12, 2019, 05:33:11 PM

"anything around or just above the 4% abv mark is usually £4.00
I think 6X is 4.1%. †Once you get to the 5% level then it's more like £4.50. †Taxes and all that."
25% more alcohol for 12.5% more money...makes sense really.Thats why I always drink strong beer - it's better value †:P


Now that is pure logic  :) :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 13, 2019, 07:04:06 PM

If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


I think that the cropredy hop and fairport five are just pumpclips.
What you are drinking is wads worthís horizon or swordfish
I may be wrong but hey ho
If Iím right itíd be handy if they did brew a beer for the festival or let another brewery run it and brew one
Opinions beer experts.....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on December 13, 2019, 07:52:58 PM
The question of what you can and can't take into festivals is interesting. There seem to be no hard and fast rules...maybe interpretation or local variants.
In the less exciting case of water...I went to four outdoor events in the summer of 2010. Three allowed you to take water in, one, Download, did not. Three of those events were extremely hot and not supplying free water inside is a major health risk.
This year, A New Day festival wouldn't allow me to take water in, in case it was acid. Not even if I drank some. There was free water on tap inside, but that's how hard they enforced it.
Download also won't allow you to take gas bottle cookers in, but will allow disposable BBQ's. Cropredy is the opposite. The reason for both is 'fire risk.'  


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: andrew c on December 13, 2019, 09:06:41 PM
Well the more I listen to the Slambovians the more I cannot wait see them live next year. My tip for the festival's top turn!







Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on December 13, 2019, 11:21:11 PM
]I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price?

Round here. most pubs (apart from Wetherspoons) charge in the region of £5.20 to £5.50 for a pint of reasonable beer.

So I'd be more than happy to pay £6 a pint at a festival for 6X or (my preference) Corvus Stout. Above about £6.50 I'd start to think about it.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wardi on December 14, 2019, 12:18:05 AM
I live in a Sam Smith's beer town, last night's round of 3 pints of bitter, 1 pint of lager & half a lemonade was £9.30.  Drinking down south can be a bit of a shock to my wallet. ^-^


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: wayne stote on December 14, 2019, 11:28:31 PM

I live in a Sam Smith's beer town, last night's round of 3 pints of bitter, 1 pint of lager & half a lemonade was £9.30. †Drinking down south can be a bit of a shock to my wallet. ^-^


Last time I was in a Sam Smith's pub - The Eagle, Sheepscar, Leeds - about eighteen months ago, I ordered a half a pint of mild and was charged 67p.

I thought I'd disappeared down a worm hole back to 1983!  :)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on December 15, 2019, 01:54:49 PM
Sounds like we should be asking Sam smiths to run the bar rather than wadsworths  ::) :D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Malcolm on December 15, 2019, 02:23:15 PM

Sounds like we should be asking Sam smiths to run the bar rather than wadsworths †::) :D


I have read that the man Smith in charge has strong views about music in his pubs.  ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Gareth (GWR71) on December 15, 2019, 04:47:28 PM

I would feel guilty looking at the accounts!

Then don't :)

As said, it's all public domain information. And some of us find the business side fascinating - after all, behind all the "hallowed field" gumph, it's a business that has to make money to survive, so numerous hard-headed decisions are required.

On his solo tour early this year, Steve Knightley explained a lot about the nut-and-bolts realities and actual day-to-day mechanics of being a touring musician. It was extremely interesting, and also eye-opening in several respects (such as when venues demand a share of the evening's merch sales).


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 15, 2019, 05:10:08 PM


I would feel guilty looking at the accounts!

Then don't :)

As said, it's all public domain information. And some of us find the business side fascinating - after all, behind all the "hallowed field" gumph, it's a business that has to make money to survive, so numerous hard-headed decisions are required.

On his solo tour early this year, Steve Knightley explained a lot about the nut-and-bolts realities and actual day-to-day mechanics of being a touring musician. It was extremely interesting, and also eye-opening in several respects (such as when venues demand a share of the evening's merch sales).


One of my lads , who, aside from his day job, has a theatre production company that puts on 2 or 3 week long shows a year. The larger theatre that he hires seems to want a bit of everything. The make him pay the bar staff but they keep all the bar takings  and you need a mortgage to get a drink. I usually need a drink because I don't like musicals!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Albie on December 16, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

]I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price?

Round here. most pubs (apart from Wetherspoons) charge in the region of £5.20 to £5.50 for a pint of reasonable beer.

So I'd be more than happy to pay £6 a pint at a festival for 6X or (my preference) Corvus Stout. Above about £6.50 I'd start to think about it.


Good Lord! You need to move to the midlands  :D

I wouldn't pay £6 for a pint. If I couldn't take my own in I'd do without (and stay away from that festival the following year).

Of course, in about 1982 I said I would never pay a pound for a pint of beer. Well, inflation and all that, innit.  :)

I went to a festival this year where you couldn't take perfume in (not that I wanted to) because it was a security risk. You also couldn't take in water or food (and nor could you leave and be re-admitted) so that's another to cross off my list for next year.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Yorkshire Chris on December 16, 2019, 12:10:10 PM


If the beer on sale was better I would not bring my own in.

The decline in standard of brew in recent years has matched the incline in price.

Bring back 6X . Until they do, I will be bringing in Quarts of Hookie from the Cricket Pavilion or nipping out to the Edge for the local beers they have there.


I think that the cropredy hop and fairport five are just pumpclips.
What you are drinking is wads worthís horizon or swordfish
I may be wrong but hey ho
If Iím right itíd be handy if they did brew a beer for the festival or let another brewery run it and brew one
Opinions beer experts.....


I'm no expert (unless drinking loads of the stuff puts me in that category...) but I doubt either Cropredy Hop or Fairport Five are relabelled Wadworth Swordfish as this is a dark rum infused ale. You may be right about Horizon though as it's in a similar style.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 16, 2019, 02:14:22 PM


]I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price?

Round here. most pubs (apart from Wetherspoons) charge in the region of £5.20 to £5.50 for a pint of reasonable beer.

So I'd be more than happy to pay £6 a pint at a festival for 6X or (my preference) Corvus Stout. Above about £6.50 I'd start to think about it.


Good Lord! You need to move to the midlands †:D

I wouldn't pay £6 for a pint. If I couldn't take my own in I'd do without (and stay away from that festival the following year).

Of course, in about 1982 I said I would never pay a pound for a pint of beer. Well, inflation and all that, innit. †:)

I went to a festival this year where you couldn't take perfume in (not that I wanted to) because it was a security risk. You also couldn't take in water or food (and nor could you leave and be re-admitted) so that's another to cross off my list for next year.


Not being allowed to take water in to a festival, especially when its hot, is a serious health risk. If I don't have water , when drinking alcohol in the heat, I suffer drops in blood pressure and pass out. Can you let me know which festival  so I can avoid it please.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Albie on December 16, 2019, 06:41:27 PM



]I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price?

Round here. most pubs (apart from Wetherspoons) charge in the region of £5.20 to £5.50 for a pint of reasonable beer.

So I'd be more than happy to pay £6 a pint at a festival for 6X or (my preference) Corvus Stout. Above about £6.50 I'd start to think about it.


Good Lord! You need to move to the midlands †:D

I wouldn't pay £6 for a pint. If I couldn't take my own in I'd do without (and stay away from that festival the following year).

Of course, in about 1982 I said I would never pay a pound for a pint of beer. Well, inflation and all that, innit. †:)

I went to a festival this year where you couldn't take perfume in (not that I wanted to) because it was a security risk. You also couldn't take in water or food (and nor could you leave and be re-admitted) so that's another to cross off my list for next year.


Not being allowed to take water in to a festival, especially when its hot, is a serious health risk. If I don't have water , when drinking alcohol in the heat, I suffer drops in blood pressure and pass out. Can you let me know which festival †so I can avoid it please.


It was called Cotton Clouds, up in Saddleworth. The scenery was great. The festival, not so much, for various reasons.
There was a tap inside to get water, but it tasted foul, I didn't want to drink it. It's the only festival I have ever been to where they didn't allow re-admittance. One in, you stayed in. Or left and that was it.
I think I've been spoiled going to so many laid back, chilled out places like Bearded Theory, Beautiful Days, Croppers, Shrewsbury Folk, Kozmik Kens, Sonic Rock and others.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on December 16, 2019, 09:32:09 PM




]I'm interested - what would consider a sensible price?

Round here. most pubs (apart from Wetherspoons) charge in the region of £5.20 to £5.50 for a pint of reasonable beer.

So I'd be more than happy to pay £6 a pint at a festival for 6X or (my preference) Corvus Stout. Above about £6.50 I'd start to think about it.


Good Lord! You need to move to the midlands †:D

I wouldn't pay £6 for a pint. If I couldn't take my own in I'd do without (and stay away from that festival the following year).

Of course, in about 1982 I said I would never pay a pound for a pint of beer. Well, inflation and all that, innit. †:)

I went to a festival this year where you couldn't take perfume in (not that I wanted to) because it was a security risk. You also couldn't take in water or food (and nor could you leave and be re-admitted) so that's another to cross off my list for next year.


Not being allowed to take water in to a festival, especially when its hot, is a serious health risk. If I don't have water , when drinking alcohol in the heat, I suffer drops in blood pressure and pass out. Can you let me know which festival †so I can avoid it please.


It was called Cotton Clouds, up in Saddleworth. The scenery was great. The festival, not so much, for various reasons.
There was a tap inside to get water, but it tasted foul, I didn't want to drink it. It's the only festival I have ever been to where they didn't allow re-admittance. One in, you stayed in. Or left and that was it.
I think I've been spoiled going to so many laid back, chilled out places like Bearded Theory, Beautiful Days, Croppers, Shrewsbury Folk, Kozmik Kens, Sonic Rock and others.
Ta , add Beardy and New Forest to the good guys.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Mc on December 17, 2019, 10:38:42 AM
Lets not get confused with beer in the camping field and beer on the festival site itself. New Forest doesn't allow own beer inside festiavl, but food ok, and you can come and go as much as you like, so can have a few beers at the van throughout the day. They also allow water but also have a fresh water tap too. Wickham doesn't allow own beer on festival site, Victorious doesn't allow re admittance by the way, and no food or drink or chairs!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Sue & Chris on December 23, 2019, 08:23:22 PM
Tickets arrived, bought at Tier 2 prices - ticket numbers were just over 2,500, so talk of 8,000 sold at tier 1 is well off the mark.  I would guess that 2,500 were sold at tier 1 prices (I bought very shortly after they sold out - even got a car sticker for heaven's sake - for the first time in years).  Perhaps the same number are being sold at tier 2 prices (Fairport website reporting just 300 tier 2 left).  So a lot of people (those buying at tier 3 or 4) are going to be paying at least £10 more than they did last year.  Can't help wondering if this price hike (at the end of the day, that is what it is) is going to put people off.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Gareth (GWR71) on December 24, 2019, 01:07:26 AM
Is a £10 year-on-year increase really enough to put people off? I wouldn't have thought so.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bob_g on December 27, 2019, 10:17:52 PM

I live in a Sam Smith's beer town, last night's round of 3 pints of bitter, 1 pint of lager & half a lemonade was £9.30. †Drinking down south can be a bit of a shock to my wallet. ^-^

Sitting in Tooting Market reading this. Just paid £15.25 for one pint of locally brewed lager and a large G&T.
Wadsworths in the field can do little wrong, barring the hot year they ran dry, in my books! :-)



Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Jim G on January 20, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
Just noticed that 3 Daft Monkeys have announced they are playing at the Brasenose on 14th August . Its been a while since they played at the main Festival - thought they were great in 2008 and 2010, surprised they have not been asked back since.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chipton Blake on January 20, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
Not sure where to post this but if anyone
has a spare/ unwanted Field 8 ticket then
we and our blind black labrador would take
it off your hands. He likes that Field you see
and I didnít realise until too late about the
separate arrangements


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PaulT on January 20, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
I'll be online on Feb 3rd to buy my Saturday ticket. I was going to do Friday and Saturday, but that would work out £100 more (incl camping), and I'm not convinced my back can take 2 nights on an airbed any more...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: paul bond 59 on January 22, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
I got in early, as I usually do for the three-day festival ticket, I'm quite happy about the cost, increased prices are what they are I'm afraid. However,  this will probably be my last full Cropredy weekend, after 33 years of doing the two, then, three-day event, I think I'll just go for the Saturday shows in future, after all, across the decades my main reason for going to Cropredy is Fairport.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on January 22, 2020, 01:13:03 PM
Cant summon up the enthusiasm to book yet even though we've done 30 odd on the trot. Just don't feel excited at the line up at all. I'll probably succumb in the end and camping was booked months ago so we'll be there anyway.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: mikec on January 22, 2020, 01:19:59 PM

Not sure where to post this but if anyone
has a spare/ unwanted Field 8 ticket then
we and our blind black labrador would take
it off your hands. He likes that Field you see
and I didnít realise until too late about the
separate arrangements


Iíve sent you an IM Chipton


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PaulT on January 29, 2020, 11:14:36 PM
At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on January 29, 2020, 11:21:45 PM

At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Doesn't that suggest low sales?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PaulT on January 29, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
Quite possibly, yes. Though the band seemed very "up" tonight... their playing and singing was pretty damn excellent, despite a couple of fluffs during the new material.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PaulT on February 03, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Saturday ticket purchased just now... ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on February 03, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
How much are they up for?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on February 03, 2020, 07:51:09 PM


At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Doesn't that suggest low sales?

Suggests it wonít take place in the future if sales are low this year...

Then there will be nothing left to moan about
Arrival times
Which field to camp
Line up
Food
Weather

Basically if you want the festival to continue then support it.

Use it or lose it


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on February 03, 2020, 08:17:16 PM



At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Doesn't that suggest low sales?

Suggests it wonít take place in the future if sales are low this year...

Then there will be nothing left to moan about
Arrival times
Which field to camp
Line up
Food
Weather

Basically if you want the festival to continue then support it.

Use it or lose it

I am some times perceived as negative on this site . I am not. Over 25 Cropredies , it has been a really important part of my life.....
So letís be objective...
The fest has rarely sold out by January.
There is just so much more competition out there.
Fairports core audience is aging.
I think this yearís lineup will attract the core audience, whether that audience is now big enough to support the Fest is the crux and we will have to wait and see.
The idea of a big ( and therefore expensive)headliner to attract a different or younger audience seems to be on hold
I genuinely hope it continues, I have had some of my best fest experiences on that field.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on February 03, 2020, 08:25:20 PM

The fest has rarely sold out by January.


Rarely?  Never.  Don't think it's ever sold out much before August has it?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on February 03, 2020, 10:27:50 PM




At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Doesn't that suggest low sales?

Suggests it wonít take place in the future if sales are low this year...

Then there will be nothing left to moan about
Arrival times
Which field to camp
Line up
Food
Weather

Basically if you want the festival to continue then support it.

Use it or lose it

I am some times perceived as negative on this site . I am not. Over 25 Cropredies , it has been a really important part of my life.....
So letís be objective...
The fest has rarely sold out by January.
There is just so much more competition out there.
Fairports core audience is aging.
I think this yearís lineup will attract the core audience, whether that audience is now big enough to support the Fest is the crux and we will have to wait and see.
The idea of a big ( and therefore expensive)headliner to attract a different or younger audience seems to be on hold
I genuinely hope it continues, I have had some of my best fest experiences on that field.


Are you sure it will attract the core audience with so many repeats? And not enough folk rock , especially those popular with the core - Trad AAAr, Merry Hell, Leatherat, Little Johnny England, etc etc , none of whom would break the bank.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on February 04, 2020, 09:47:21 AM

At Tewkesbury this evening, Simon mentioned that the festival is not yet sold out. Of course, 2 and 1 day tickets don't go on sale until next week. However, he did say that if everyone buying a ticket for Cropredy was to bring just 1 friend, that would help secure the festival's future for another year...


Not sure I have any friends, who haven't already been to Cropredy, to whom would say "Hey lets spend £200 for a weekend ticket with camping to go and sit in a field (probably in the rain) listening to a bunch of largely unknown bands with our view of the stage disrupted by other people's flags, overpriced beer and food with a final financial outlay in the region of £400".

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on February 04, 2020, 10:08:12 AM
How on earth have we got to here from a situation where (and presumably they made money then?) a weekend ticket in 1984 (my first) cost £11 (£35.62 at 2019 prices according to the Bank of England inflation calculator)?  Yes I know we now have a festival that is effectively twice as long, but in reality the vast majority of the crowd was there from Thur am, even back in the 80's.  My head can't compute how things have changed so dramatically to a point where ticket prices now are about, what, six times the (real) cost of what they cost back then?  Many things about this modern world confuse me though....  

[Just for clarity, this is a general point about the rising cost of festivals being made about this specific one because I have the figures to hand.
 I'm not having a go at Croppers]


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tom64 on February 04, 2020, 11:15:01 AM
Of course I am no expert on these things but here are my thoughts:

I think the part that live music is playing in peoples lives has changed.

Music is everywhere in the clouds. Things I had to go and search for for months in record stores when I was young are now available instantly.

The places where live music is played are getting less and less.

So I think concerts are more Ąeventsď these days for many people. Many (the crowd here obviously excluded) wonít go to a lot of concerts but just pick two or three of their favourites and seem to be willing to spend more money on those.

The huge acts have lots of costs for dancers, projections, laser shows and other show business things.

Also for a lot of bands selling albums doesnít pay the bills any more so they have to rely on touring and raise their prices there to survive.

Add inflation and rising costs etc and I think it all adds up to the present situation.

All very much IMVHO and I may be wrong on all points.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on February 04, 2020, 11:24:21 AM

Add inflation and rising costs etc and I think it all adds up to the present situation.


My point above specifically takes account of inflation.  There is probably a much wider point about the inaccuracy of the RPI as a measurement of inflation (for largely political reasons) but....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Will S on February 04, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
I'm sure that the costs of running a festival will have increased hugely since 1984 too - Health and safety, security, hire costs for sound equipment, toilets, etc, etc.  But it is shocking when you consider that the ticket price has increased by that amount.  And yet as we always hear that Cropredy will only go on as long as each one covers it's costs, I don't think anyone is making a mint out of it (unless it is the suppliers of services).


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Malcolm on February 04, 2020, 11:52:36 AM


Add inflation and rising costs etc and I think it all adds up to the present situation.


My point above specifically takes account of inflation. †There is probably a much wider point about the inaccuracy of the RPI as a measurement of inflation (for largely political reasons) but....


I have no idea how much is caused by rising costs but, in the 80's before the mains were put in, there was a tanker of water per camping field for all purposes. In The Field there were a few loos but, as the famous cartoon of the fest shows, after dark us chaps wee'd against the fence which is now blindingly illuminated for H & S reasons. Insurance in this age of blame and compo must be huge. Every time fixed costs rise, so does the break-even point.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: fat Billy(Bill) on February 04, 2020, 11:57:43 AM
I'm with all of those reasons, the whole festival infrastructure has changed in the last 30 odd years, 'elf and safety has to be sorted, Putting on a festival the size of Cropredy ain't cheap. I would hazard a guess that the band make a few bob, if they didn't it wouldn't happen.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on February 04, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
I love the German Pagan Folk band Faun.They are playing the Union Chapel in April and its costing £30 for a ticket.

My son and his wife went to see Elton john at Colwyn Bay last year and the tickets were £60 each.

Cropredy festival happens in a field with no static infrastructure. Everything has to be created and paid for. There are 20 acts on, plus a compere. Lets say the average cost to see each individually at a venue with all infrastructure present was £30 per ticket. Id have to pay £600.

I think the festival is bloody good value.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on February 04, 2020, 01:51:38 PM

I think the festival is bloody good value.


Excellent.  So I'm assuming do another fifteen thousand or more.  What I'm trying to understand is how 'they' managed to run a similar (thought not the same) one for 1/6th (taking inflation into account) the cost of today, 36 years ago.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: fat Billy(Bill) on February 04, 2020, 02:01:41 PM


I think the festival is bloody good value.


Excellent. †So I'm assuming do another fifteen thousand or more. †What I'm trying to understand is how 'they' managed to run a similar (thought not the same) one for 1/6th (taking inflation into account) the cost of today, 36 years ago.


very basic facilities, no health and safely laws to meet, less infrastructure to hire, Loos etc. I wanted to hire a couple of portaloos for an event a year or so back.....£300! A marquee £450...Ö.I rest my case


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: RobertD on February 04, 2020, 02:05:28 PM


I think the festival is bloody good value.


Excellent. †So I'm assuming do another fifteen thousand or more. †What I'm trying to understand is how 'they' managed to run a similar (thought not the same) one for 1/6th (taking inflation into account) the cost of today, 36 years ago.


Because 'they' and other comparable size festivals have to deal with so much more now than 36 years ago. Insurance, video screens, health and safety, more toilets, the temporary roads and fencing, the paid stewards, sound equipment, lighting rigs, etc, etc. Take away the video screens at this point and no one would be happy. Go back to massive stacks of amplifiers covered by blue tarpaulin as the 'sound system' and people would complain the sound was terrible. Take away the fencing and it would be a free for all of people coming at going anywhere they chose to instead of designated entry points. People are different than they were 36 years ago. More impatient, more willing to gripe. To negate those gripes, the band has to keep an eye on every aspect of a festival experience, including the lineup. It wasn't easy 36 years ago, and I'm sure its even harder to do so now whilst keeping an eye on budget and bottom line for every single decision.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick on February 04, 2020, 05:00:05 PM
Will, Bill and Robert have got it right. There are things that have to be covered now that simply didn't matter back in the day.

It is the same for other festivals:
At its start, Truck Festival cost me a fiver on the door for 1-2 days of music. In 2020 it is £100-£130. The change in ticket prices over the years can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_Festival
In the late '80s I paid about £20 to go to Glastonbury (and yes, I paid - I felt guilty for Greenpeace & other charities so didn't break in). I'm guessing it's in the region of £300 now?
In the mid-late '80s I paid about £20-£25 to go to Reading festival. They're about £240 now.

It's become an expensive hobby, but this is not unique to Cropredy.

Cheers

Nick


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on February 04, 2020, 05:35:20 PM

Will, Bill and Robert have got it right. There are things that have to be covered now that simply didn't matter back in the day.

It is the same for other festivals:
At its start, Truck Festival cost me a fiver on the door for 1-2 days of music. In 2020 it is £100-£130. The change in ticket prices over the years can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_Festival
In the late '80s I paid about £20 to go to Glastonbury (and yes, I paid - I felt guilty for Greenpeace & other charities so didn't break in). I'm guessing it's in the region of £300 now?
In the mid-late '80s I paid about £20-£25 to go to Reading festival. They're about £240 now.

It's become an expensive hobby, but this is not unique to Cropredy.

Cheers

Nick



I specifically made the point that this is not unique to Cropredy.  But these (rather vague) "things that need to be covered" that didn't need to be covered 3 and a bit decades ago sure cost a lot (about 83% of the current total).  Hmmm.  This sounds like a case of "that's just the way it is" rather than an explanation.  Anyway, it's probably best to simply leave me with my confusion and disappointment at the modern world....


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Tony Pim on February 24, 2020, 05:57:56 PM
I see the magic teapot is to make an appearance on Field 2,  got to say I love the magic teapot and the vibe within at other festivals where our appearance has coincided.  Can turn into a bit of an all nighter though.   :o :o


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: giottoscircle (Robert) on February 24, 2020, 06:44:33 PM

I see the magic teapot is to make an appearance on Field 2, †got to say I love the magic teapot and the vibe within at other festivals where our appearance has coincided. †Can turn into a bit of an all nighter though. † :o :o


An after show space like this is much appreciated by us miserable types who donít bring their own tribe with them.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Swamp Donkey (Keith) on February 24, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
Mmm, is this a start of the second stage at Cropredy. The USP of Cropredy is itís one stage. Yes, there is the fringe and
Field 8. However this tent can only accommodate 80 people. So it wonít take away many from the the main field but there might be a queue to get in (especially if they offer free tea). See you in the queue, a tea for me please.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dad Volt on February 25, 2020, 06:38:28 AM
Have dabbled in the magic teapot at Bearded Theory but I know there have been issues in the past with nearby campers being unimpressed with drumming and the umpteenth drunken singalong of American Pie! It's great fun though! 😀


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on February 25, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
I think it shows the chaps are planning for the future of the festival. They know they won't be able to rely on the traditional fan base for ever so they're bringing in things that will attract a new clientele - and, just as important, keep people coming back. Anyone that fancies getting involved in live music can join in - I might go and bang a tambourine myself!!

It's great news, as long as those camped nearby are OK with it....  ;)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on March 29, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
Given the government have just announced that social distancing measures may go on until September Iíd imagine the chances of cramming into the teapot now loom remote  :o


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on March 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM
Perhaps if we were all issued with a tarpaulin to stake out a 2m safety zone....

I'll get my coat.



Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: mickf on March 29, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
I was thinking, even if the government restrictions weren't still in place in August (which is highly debatable) the other thing to consider is the relationship with the residents of Cropredy. It would be strongly tested if thousands were to descend on the village after a period of 'lockdown'


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on March 29, 2020, 09:00:44 PM
I've earlier gone on the record as stating I'd risk a quid on the festival going ahead.  After today, I think I'd put considerably more on there being no festivals held in the UK in 2020.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on March 29, 2020, 09:23:10 PM
All festival organisers must be very worried...  I wish them well.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on March 29, 2020, 09:34:00 PM

I was thinking, even if the government restrictions weren't still in place in August (which is highly debatable) the other thing to consider is the relationship with the residents of Cropredy. It would be strongly tested if thousands were to descend on the village after a period of 'lockdown'

Spot on Mick


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Wandering Steve on March 29, 2020, 09:36:34 PM

I've earlier gone on the record as stating I'd risk a quid on the festival going ahead. †After today, I think I'd put considerably more on there being no festivals held in the UK in 2020.

We can square up at the bar in 2021 god willing david.

Iím in bed listening to richard Thompsonís live concert thatís on now so I can say Iíve seen him in concert in 2020
Itís really good and well worth a listen


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on March 30, 2020, 10:43:03 AM
Sad as it would be, it would be quite possible to skip a year and not affect the financial viability of the festival. The problem is if they fork out thousands for the infrastructure then don't sell enough tickets to cover costs. If it doesn't go ahead there are no costs (other than maybe the odd non-returnable retainer).

There would be lots of admin to reissue tickets and I suppose you couldn't guarantee the same lineup, which would be a real shame, but that couldn't be helped.

I'm kinda resigned to it not going ahead now.  :(


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: hendo (Dave) on March 30, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
I cannot see any fest happening this year. Things are too uncertain for people to plan.
We, personally, are locked down for 12 weeks, so early June?
Then what do you do , let all the people who are in isolation out to catch it????? No.....so there must then be some ongoing self distancing regs going on, another 3 months...... and this thing will not be tamed til there is herd immunity , as long as the virus doesn't Morph, or there is a vaccine, 18 months away , then you have to administer it......so to keep me sane I am working on some form of social distancing for aleast 6 months. I would love to be proved wrong.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: PhilipK on March 30, 2020, 01:51:52 PM
I cannot see any fest happening this year. Things are too uncertain for people to plan.

I share your view.

There's also got to be a significant lead time to get acts/infrastructure/staff/camping/food/bar/security/sound/etc in place, so I expect that the "Go/No Go" decision will need to be made very soon, and I just can't see than anybody could decide that it's "Go" with what we currently know.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on March 31, 2020, 10:08:11 AM
Also I think we will see an on / off approach to isolating over the next few months, and bottom line is is the authorities continue to recommend over 70s to be extra careful then Fairport / RT / Steve Hackett / Jon Tams / Digance / Trevor Horne etc etc all fit in that category.

Which is interesting - a festival with all the headline acts being in their 70s must be unusual.

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Dubai Danny on March 31, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
A significant proportion of ticket-holders would fall into the "higher-risk" category too, simply by nature of the demographics of the festival.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Chris J on April 01, 2020, 06:46:53 PM
It's been announced that the Edinburgh festival won't happen, and it should be in August, the same as Cropredy. Even if it went ahead I don't think I'd feel safe, so, cancel or not, I won't be going this year. Just sit tight, stay safe and look forward to Cropredy 2021. ;-)


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: abby (tank girl) on April 12, 2020, 08:26:43 PM

I cannot see any fest happening this year. Things are too uncertain for people to plan.
We, personally, are locked down for 12 weeks, so early June?
Then what do you do , let all the people who are in isolation out to catch it????? No.....so there must then be some ongoing self distancing regs going on, another 3 months...... and this thing will not be tamed til there is herd immunity , as long as the virus doesn't Morph, or there is a vaccine, 18 months away , then you have to administer it......so to keep me sane I am working on some form of social distancing for aleast 6 months. I would love to be proved wrong.



spot on as usual, Hendo.
if you look at the magnitude of what has already been cancelled and i'm not talking about just festivals, we ain't going anywhere.
there's 3 mi had planned to work, 2 as a punter and my first holiday since 2001.  
even if we are not on lockdown i think most people will have been so conditioned by then that they won't want to risk it.  my grandchild is due september and i will avoid everyone and everything to ensure i don't have to be kept at a distance.

it's so, so sad but i know i'm not going anywhere until this is DONE


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 17, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
It is pretty usual for visits to Cropredy Festival to result in a bunch of CDs from newly discovered artists finding their way home with me.

Somehow however, even with the festival not taking place, new discs by the Slambovian Circus of Dreams and Rosalie Cunningham seem to have found their way into my house! Cropredy seems to manage to empty my wallet even when it doesn't happen.  ;D


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on October 13, 2020, 08:09:31 AM
No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on October 13, 2020, 10:19:19 AM

No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!
Yes I read that - great news. I really can't wait for Cropredy next year!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on October 13, 2020, 11:07:11 AM


No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!
Yes I read that - great news. I really can't wait for Cropredy next year!!


It's good news...  I miss it so much...  see you all there!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Malcolm on October 13, 2020, 01:06:19 PM
Shrewsbury have just got 93,000 as well. (German keyboard has no pound sign without trawling through symbols :))


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on October 13, 2020, 10:58:22 PM

No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!

Do the sums. That's probably enough to provisionally book the equipment and staff, but it still needs a heap of commitment from people buying tickets.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: David W on October 14, 2020, 08:50:23 AM


No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!

Do the sums. That's probably enough to provisionally book the equipment and staff, but it still needs a heap of commitment from people buying tickets.


I don't understand the mechanics of how a band ;/ organisation like Fairport work but would for instance Ric, Chris and Gerry (as non directors of FC Ltd) have been able to be furloughed? Are they classed as employees or freelancers?

DW


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Nick Reg on October 14, 2020, 10:25:57 AM



No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!

Do the sums. That's probably enough to provisionally book the equipment and staff, but it still needs a heap of commitment from people buying tickets.


I don't understand the mechanics of how a band ;/ organisation like Fairport work but would for instance Ric, Chris and Gerry (as non directors of FC Ltd) have been able to be furloughed? Are they classed as employees or freelancers?

DW


Four members of FC will be receiving State Pension. Most of us in that position will not be having any earned income at all!!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on October 14, 2020, 04:18:25 PM


No doubt this has been mentioned elsewhere on this site but FCC has been granted £200,000 by the Culture Recovery Fund so next yearís festival should now be secure monetary-wise if nothing else!

Do the sums. That's probably enough to provisionally book the equipment and staff, but it still needs a heap of commitment from people buying tickets.


Still retained my ticket from last year but, I guess from what you are saying is that the £200,000 grant will merely cover last yearís cancellation costs? If thatís the case, it means FCC 2021 wonít start off with a major loss to cover....guess Iíll soon be put right!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on October 29, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
The funding will also help pay for the Covid-19 mitigation measures that we will need to put in place to ensure Cropredy 2021 is as safe as possible for everyone Ė our crews, traders, artists and of course you, our loyal festival-goers.

 :-X


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on October 30, 2020, 08:59:21 AM

The funding will also help pay for the Covid-19 mitigation measures that we will need to put in place to ensure Cropredy 2021 is as safe as possible for everyone Ė our crews, traders, artists and of course you, our loyal festival-goers.

 :-X
Do you think we'll all be expected to wear masks? There HAS to be a Cropredy one!


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: bassline (Mike) on October 30, 2020, 07:25:44 PM
What do I think about Covid restrictions ten months from now ?

I've had a good old rummage around the internet over the last few months - not Facebook - and I don't like what I found.

One part of that is this, from California, and similar to the sort of thing we can 'look forward to', wherever we may live or whatever we may do :


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on October 30, 2020, 07:34:44 PM

What do I think about Covid restrictions ten months from now ?


Even if a vaccine exists by then, only the wealthy will have access to it.  Personally, I suspect unsocially distanced gathering of 20k will be a thing of distant memory.... But I'm always a glass half empty kind of a guy!  Remember when we thought gigs would obviously be happening again properly this Autumn?


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: vince42 on October 30, 2020, 08:04:59 PM
I can't anticipate what's happening next week far less next August.  However I have a neighbour who manages a theatre and one of the pieces of research they have been using to risk assess events shows that aerosols from singers projecting their voices can travel 9 metres.

That would make for some very different socially distanced performances - one half of a duo stage left and the other stage right ?  Its also one of the factors against live sports crowds.

I can't see masks working - unless we are all going to drink 6x through a straw...

I think there will have to be some kind of effective treatment or vaccine before any live events get anything like back to normal frustrating though that might be.

Vince


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: GubGub (Al) on October 30, 2020, 08:12:26 PM


What do I think about Covid restrictions ten months from now ?


Even if a vaccine exists by then*1, only the wealthy will have access to it*2. †Personally, I suspect unsocially distanced gathering of 20k will be a thing of distant memory.... But I'm always a glass half empty kind of a guy! †Remember when we thought gigs would obviously be happening again properly this Autumn?


*1 - From what I am hearing it almost certainly will
*2 - No, it will be made available to everybody. There is no sense in restricting it. The economy cannot recover if half the population are still susceptible to infection. It is not in the interest of the wealthy to hobble the workforce on which they rely for their wealth.

Two caveats however. 1. The infrastructure may not be there to roll out the vaccine to sufficient numbers of the population in time for large summer events to be organised without risk. 2. Unless vaccination is enforced (which won't happen), a significant number of people may choose not to have it, which gives organisers of any event something of a headache in terms of ensuring it is safe.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on October 31, 2020, 07:38:11 AM



What do I think about Covid restrictions ten months from now ?


Even if a vaccine exists by then*1, only the wealthy will have access to it*2. †Personally, I suspect unsocially distanced gathering of 20k will be a thing of distant memory.... But I'm always a glass half empty kind of a guy! †Remember when we thought gigs would obviously be happening again properly this Autumn?


*1 - From what I am hearing it almost certainly will
*2 - No, it will be made available to everybody. There is no sense in restricting it. The economy cannot recover if half the population are still susceptible to infection. It is not in the interest of the wealthy to hobble the workforce on which they rely for their wealth.

Two caveats however. 1. The infrastructure may not be there to roll out the vaccine to sufficient numbers of the population in time for large summer events to be organised without risk. 2. Unless vaccination is enforced (which won't happen), a significant number of people may choose not to have it, which gives organisers of any event something of a headache in terms of ensuring it is safe.


Of course the infrastructure won't be there...have you been paying attention recently?   ;) :)

In any case it's almost certainly irrelevant.  I'd love your 1) to be true, but very much suspect it won't be.  Most virologists I'm reading talk about 3 to 4 year lead ins to vaccines like this, if indeed they can be created in the first place.  Most Big Pharma capitalists I'm fairly sure suggest otherwise.  I know who'd I'm more likely to believe.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Andy on October 31, 2020, 11:50:42 AM
Speculation is pointless. Patience is a virtue.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on October 31, 2020, 12:13:46 PM

Speculation is pointless. Patience is a virtue.


There is literally nothing else to do, Andy  ;D

ps I'm not normally one for Winston quotes, but...


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: Andy on October 31, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
However, this is a bulletin board and we don't gave to follow Winston's beliefs.


Title: Re: Cropredy 2020 Chatter
Post by: davidmjs on October 31, 2020, 05:17:38 PM

However, this is a bulletin board


Which is why there will always be discussion and 'speculation'.  That is literally why it exists...a bulletin board without discussion would be a very dull place to be.