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Title: Fairport Convention
Post by: richardkendell on August 11, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
Well the first half of the set seemed a bit pedestrian to me. Things improved later. I am not sure that a multitude of "special guests" helps the general coherence of the set. I enjoyed it but I have enjoyed past performances a lot more


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Wandering Steve on August 11, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
After watching FC last night itís apparent simons voice is starting to go.
His annual murdering of who knows where the time goes is now becoming farcical,it was written for a female singer and yet he stubbornly carries on ruining a fantastic song every year.
Itís clear his vocal range is now becoming limited and lacks the power it once did.
Some songs he just about managed (red and gold) but most were pale imitations.
Iím not suggesting he completely stops singing and he is still musically brilliant but there comes a time when you need a quiet word....
FC has always been about evolution band member wise and after watching Richard Thompsonís wonderful set and his still amazing voice the contrast between that set and fairports who are now lacking a quality singer was night and day.
Itís time to bring in some new blood to help with the vocals
Not a guest but a new addition.
Musically the band are still spot on but vocally weak and Iíd hate to see a Brian Wilson scenario where no one has the honesty to tell them....
I could have listened to a Richard Thompson lead FC all night which I kind of did on Friday but Saturday was at times painfull and in need of a much needed boost.
The music can be as great as you like but if the singing is not spot on then itís the first thing you notice...
Iím sure il get pelters from others who would listen to the band even if they sang in a different key to the music but for me it was a watershed moment.
Simon is struggling,Peggy is no singer and Chris although fine wasnít in as good a voice as previous years.
I hope something changes and next year sees fresh impetus.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Sue & Chris on August 11, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
A solid year, I thought.  The Fairport Extension thing worked pretty well (take a bow, PJ Wright), and the setlist contained some nice surprises.  I came to Fairport during the Maart era, so it was great to hear the likes of Claudy Banks, Wat Tyler, Honour & Praise, Red and Gold, Bankruptured, and of course The Wounded Whale.  All nicely done.  A lovely tribute to Maart as well - the touching speech from his wife and the photo/music montage, along with Simon visibly choking up - it was all quite emotional.  Strangely more so than last year.

Of the 'classics', I thought John the Gun was great, but I'm sorry to say that Polly on the Shore is not a song that Dave Pegg should be singing.  If Simon didn't want to do it, surely PJ Wright would have been the obvious substitute?  In the event, it was...not good.  I quite enjoyed Chris Leslie's latest song (in what seems a long line) about someone being isolated from their loved ones/the world - although the video montage thing with him in the middle didn't work at all.  So I looked at the actual moon - high and clear in the sky by then - and the song worked a certain charm.  I was pleased that there weren't many non-Fairport songs in the set - as the set gets shorter these seem ever more superfluous.  The finale featured a better than average John Gaudie and Matty Groves (the banjo version), and MOTL worked its charm as ever.  

Overall, if not a vintage year then certainly a good one.  Several of my friends who regularly come to Cropredy but are not particularly Fairport fans really enjoyed them this year - far more than they tend to do in the 'landmark' years.  


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Jim on August 11, 2019, 04:34:31 PM
Time to ditch the banjo on Matty was years ago. It was a novel idea, pinched from the Sandy Denny all star tour, that was good once.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Sue & Chris on August 11, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
Maybe I have cloth ears, but I didn't think Simon's vocals were that bad.  Took a couple of songs to warm up, maybe, but his singing on the Maart-era material seemed fine to me.  I don't mind his version of WKWTTG, and it didn't seem much different than usual.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Will S on August 11, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Not sure I understand the comments about Simon's voice. †I was down the front for the whole set, and didn't get the feeling he was struggling at all. †I began the set feeling a bit down generally about things but after the first few songs they moved up into what i would classify as one of the classic Cropredy performances (in my experience, I add - I didn't see many of the early ones). †The Fairport Extension really helped with some of the arrangements, and it was wonderful to hear a number of the Maart-era songs - especially The Wounded Whale, but also Honour and Praise, Claudy Banks, Wat Tyler... †Sally Barker's Dark The Night and John the Gun were wonderful. †Peggy singing Polly on the Shore was a mistake though.

And I love hearing Ric and Chris doing their violin duetting on WKWTTG. †It just lifts the whole song to another level.

So the whole set capped an almost perfect (musically) weekend for me.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 11, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
Steve, I think that is very harsh. Granted some of the vocals from all concerned did seem a little strained and there were unusual choices, but it picked up a lot as the set went on.
Thursdays acoustic set sounded as strong as ever.

Valid points, but maybe you should give allowances for things unknown to us, or just the mix was off.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: David W on August 11, 2019, 05:18:33 PM
Simon's voice has lost a bit of resonance no doubt, Peggy singing Polly was odd when PJ s available. Liked the extension and a the talent of Maart shone through.

8.5/10


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Wandering Steve on August 11, 2019, 05:36:45 PM

Steve, I think that is very harsh. Granted some of the vocals from all concerned did seem a little strained and there were unusual choices, but it picked up a lot as the set went on.
Thursdays acoustic set sounded as strong as ever.

Valid points, but maybe you should give allowances for things unknown to us, or just the mix was off.

Just my opinion Colin
Didnít see the acoustic set as I knew there were a couple of chances later in the week instead watched the excellent mr tea and the minions at the brase.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on August 11, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
OK ,voices are like everything else,they depreciate with age.

For Simon to still be so good is truly exceptional. I was a decent fast bowler forty years ago,but i doubt i could bowl out a five year old now.

I thought the Saturday set of 2019 was well thought out, and that version of John The Gun was wonderful.

The voices may be aging but the playing remains top draw.

Long may they continue, although they should consider adding Sally Barker ( or someone of similar class) as a member, some Sandy songs need to be sung by a female voice, I think WKWTTG is one of them.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Nick Reg on August 11, 2019, 06:37:48 PM
John The Gun was fantastic. Sally nailed it.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: delfini (Diane) on August 11, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
I think those comments about Simonís voice are unpleasantly harsh - especially given he sometimes reads this board. He was clearly (to me) emotional about WKWTTG, especially with Georgia there, and he did say he would Ďattempt to get through ití.  I donít expect people to be clinically perfect - might as well stay home and listen to a cd, I think - Iíd rather they made me feel the emotion of a song. Simon did that very well.
No, Iím not a sycophant, but I try to be constructive, not unpleasant, in my criticism. Yes, performers do hit Ďbum notesí , thatís life. It was a flipping miracle the Saturday went ahead and no doubt the band were pretty shattered with the tension too and that affects voices.

Job well done chaps....thanks.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: johnmitch93 on August 11, 2019, 07:24:03 PM
Great to hear Red and Gold... ;D


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 11, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
There was some discussion/concern from those of us listening to the radio about the state of Simon's voice early on. Any issue is of course cruelly exposed by a broadcast. I just wondered whether maybe he had a cold or it had been affected by the weather. It definitely improved later on, especially on the Maart era material. I agree though that Peggy choosing to sing Polly On The Shore was an odd and unsuccessful decision


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Adam on August 11, 2019, 08:14:31 PM
Voice sounded fine to me; maybe where you were sitting had an impact?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: David W on August 11, 2019, 08:15:39 PM

Voice sounded fine to me; maybe where you were sitting had an impact?


Just checked Radio coverage and he does sound as if he was struggling.

DW


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on August 11, 2019, 08:50:16 PM

ď or just the mix was off. ď


Colin, the ďmixĒ would have the ability to make the voice/voices too loud, or not loud enough during a performance, but it certainly couldnít affect the pitch.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: StephenGiles on August 11, 2019, 08:55:01 PM
I've listened through radio coverage, and my general thought is that it probably sounded a lot better when the PA was resonating through your chest!! John the Gun however was superb, and definitely the high point of the set.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 11, 2019, 09:24:50 PM


ď or just the mix was off. ď

Colin, the ďmixĒ would have the ability to make the voice/voices too loud, or not loud enough during a performance, but it certainly couldnít affect the pitch.

I was thinking muffled, hence not strong. There were a couple of acts where some performers were so far down in the mix that they might as well not have been there (the girl in Gogol Bordello). The level and equalisation can definitely make the pitch sound wrong.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 11, 2019, 10:23:14 PM



ď or just the mix was off. ď

Colin, the ďmixĒ would have the ability to make the voice/voices too loud, or not loud enough during a performance, but it certainly couldnít affect the pitch.

I was thinking muffled, hence not strong. There were a couple of acts where some performers were so far down in the mix that they might as well not have been there (the girl in Gogol Bordello). The level and equalisation can definitely make the pitch sound wrong.


I don't think it was that. That wouldn't affect the radio sound but if Simon could not hear himself it would definitely have had an impact. So if the onstage sound was out of whack that could be a cause. Were they using monitors or earpieces? I don't recall seeing Fairport using the latter previously.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 11, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
I listened to this on Radio Oxford.
Iíve thought the last few years that Simon seems to struggle with the first few songs, but I presumed it was because heís running around all weekend making sure everythingís going to plan that this is a sort of ďat last I can relaxĒ moment. Once he had relaxed it was fine. Wrong decision to have Peggy singing Polly on the Shore, unless if course it was something he badly wanted to do for Sandyís daughter. It wasnít awful though.

John the Gun was fantastic, as were the instrumentals. I loved all the extra brass, electric guitar and keyboards, they give a roundness to the music.

Iíd like to see a set list if anyone has it jotted down please?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Addie on August 11, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
Seemed pedestrian after the RT gig the night before but just listened to the Radio Oxford broadcast and found it more enjoyable. It is what it is, this is Fairport in the 2000's.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Andy on August 11, 2019, 11:50:28 PM
Fairport Extension were pretty good. Joe Brown was a puzzler, he seemed confused at both the Tuesday warmup and on the Saturday night and was, IMHO, a poor choice of guest.

I thought the banjo Matty was, frankly, unimaginative.

Having never heard Wat Tyler live before, I liked it. The story of its writing was somewhat curtailed on Saturday, more amusing when told in full on Tuesday.

The video for Moondust and Solitude was, unfortunately, poorly done, with the artists often obscuring the subject(s) of the video.

The video for Wounded Whale had some very fast text whiz by and I only read a few words before it disappeared.

Given the fantastic videos that Nev Bull has done in the past, I'm afraid he's made a rod for his own back. But his work overall continues to be fab.

John Gaudie needs a long rest.

I found Jan Lane's tribute to Maart touching and sad, I got quite annoyed at the raucous "Happy Birthday" being sung by people at the Bar simultaneously.

For the curious, the full setlist is here (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fairport-convention/2019/festival-site-cropredy-england-1b9f91e0.html).


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 12, 2019, 01:42:57 AM
Fabulous moon photo Andy


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Andy on August 12, 2019, 08:38:12 AM

Fabulous moon photo Andy


As somebody said, there must be a song in the Cropredy Moon coming up in a clear sky after so much Mordor.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: abby (tank girl) on August 12, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
i always think that the sound is better bar side of the stage, i wonder what the reason is?

and no i'm not being sarcastic, i genuinely think this is the case.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 12, 2019, 11:10:47 AM

i always think that the sound is better bar side of the stage, i wonder what the reason is?

and no i'm not being sarcastic, i genuinely think this is the case.


Prevailing wind direction?

It was certainly true one year when the PA on the right hand side of the stage failed for the first several songs of Fairport's set.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Hibbitt (Christer) on August 12, 2019, 05:44:04 PM
I think this years WKWTTG was deeply mooving, such a perfect way to do it.
Respect.
A WKWTTG (or a Fairport) without Simon Nicols voice? Abolutely unthinkable.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 12, 2019, 07:25:10 PM
Agree with many of the sentiments expressed although I didnít think Simonís voice was too bad. Clearly Peggy doing Polly on the Shore didnít quite work but this was the only real dip in a strong set IMHO. Was a bit confused by Joe Brown being brought on just to do his ďPicture of YouĒ he was given a lot of headlines that he would be performing as part of Fairport extended and only to do one song (his song) baffled me a touch (it also wasnít that good either). Maybe I misunderstood the preamble beforehand.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Andy on August 13, 2019, 12:28:24 AM
I'm not sure if it's ironic or not, but Joe Brown was born in Swarby, Lincolnshire.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: DarrenWilliams on August 13, 2019, 08:50:13 AM


For the curious, the full setlist is here (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fairport-convention/2019/festival-site-cropredy-england-1b9f91e0.html).


Thanks! I was just about to ask.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on August 13, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
I found it one of the best Fairport sets in ages. They performed with passion, the memories of Maart were beautifully presented. I loved the lighting and the videos ( though agree the images of artists,superimposed,were a bit too dominant).

The set was a good balance and it was great to see the artists who were on stage for MOTL ...Fairport are Cropredy, Cropredy is Fairport. Without Fairport this beautiful event would not have existed.

I thought they were fabulous and I do not care if they eventually come on, croaking, with their mikes strapped to their zimmers...respect will still be due.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: David W on August 13, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Andy on August 13, 2019, 12:07:53 PM

Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW
He's busy.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 13, 2019, 01:24:42 PM


Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW
He's busy.


Yes, I suspect TradARRR gives him a freer hand creatively than being in Fairport would and allows him to make more adventurous music than the modern day Fairport.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: abby (tank girl) on August 13, 2019, 01:33:16 PM



Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW
He's busy.


Yes, I suspect TradARRR gives him a freer hand creatively than being in Fairport would and allows him to make more adventurous music than the modern day Fairport.


oooh!


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 13, 2019, 01:40:20 PM




Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW
He's busy.


Yes, I suspect TradARRR gives him a freer hand creatively than being in Fairport would and allows him to make more adventurous music than the modern day Fairport.


oooh!


That wasn't meant to be a knock on Fairport but they have an established style that they are comfortable with. They may not want to accommodate the change of direction a full time lead guitarist would involve and PJ already has an outlet for his talents in TradARRR who are at the electric rock end of the folk/rock spectrum whereas modern day Fairport tend toward the mid paced acoustic style, at least in the studio.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 13, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
I was entranced with Janís gorgeous tribute to Maart, the words she spoke came over clearly and
With such love, and the photo collage along with Maartís music was such a delight.

I was sad that some friends didnít hear or see this and annoyed that a group behind me were chatting through it.

I really hope that it will appear at some point soon on YouTube or Facebook or somewhere for everyone to enjoy.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on August 13, 2019, 01:52:00 PM

I was entranced with Janís gorgeous tribute to Maart, the words she spoke came over clearly and
With such love, and the photo collage along with Maartís music was such a delight.

I was sad that some friends didnít hear or see this and annoyed that a group behind me were chatting through it.

I really hope that it will appear at some point soon on YouTube or Facebook or somewhere for everyone to enjoy.


There were quite a few people around us who didnít appear to notice the beautiful tribute, nor engage with it. †Same with a few other poignant moments. J always notes the contingent who come for a festival rather than for Cropredy. I know what he means.

It was an amazing thing for her to do and I hope also to see it in YouTube or similar.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: spooley (Simon) on August 13, 2019, 01:59:57 PM
We were on the inside edge of the chair-circle, by the right-hand screen, and everyone around us was noticeably hushed and respectful during the excellent tribute to Maart. I found it quite moving.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 13, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
It certainly was moving... dust in the eye moving...  please let it be seeable soon somehow.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: abby (tank girl) on August 13, 2019, 02:16:24 PM





Yet again I wish PJ join the band full time.

DW
He's busy.


Yes, I suspect TradARRR gives him a freer hand creatively than being in Fairport would and allows him to make more adventurous music than the modern day Fairport.


oooh!


That wasn't meant to be a knock on Fairport but they have an established style that they are comfortable with. They may not want to accommodate the change of direction a full time lead guitarist would involve and PJ already has an outlet for his talents in TradARRR who are at the electric rock end of the folk/rock spectrum whereas modern day Fairport tend toward the mid paced acoustic style, at least in the studio.


you saw me coming there, Al, but i think you are right on both counts.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Tony Pim on August 13, 2019, 06:42:06 PM
Iím probably on my own on this but I never want to hear anyone other than Simon sing WKWTTG. Sally Barker nailed John the Gun but I prefer that she plays as well. annA rydeR is fab loved her dress too. I thought it was a great set.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Chris from Fieldtown on August 13, 2019, 08:17:13 PM

Iím probably on my own on this but I never want to hear anyone other than Simon sing WKWTTG. Sally Barker nailed John the Gun but I prefer that she plays as well. annA rydeR is fab loved her dress too. I thought it was a great set.


I know what you mean but RT did an amazingly good solo version at Sidmouth, the vocal was really excellent, full of emotion and sensitivity. I didn't thik RT could carry this song but he absolutely nailed it.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: hendo (Dave) on August 14, 2019, 05:19:21 PM
Sandyís recorded version with FC is obviously the iconic version for me but have a listen to Vikki Claytons version......not a Sandy copy , she makes it her own....


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Viv G on August 14, 2019, 07:34:12 PM

After watching FC last night itís apparent simons voice is starting to go.
His annual murdering of who knows where the time goes is now becoming farcical,it was written for a female singer and yet he stubbornly carries on ruining a fantastic song every year.
Itís clear his vocal range is now becoming limited and lacks the power it once did.
Some songs he just about managed (red and gold) but most were pale imitations.
Iím not suggesting he completely stops singing and he is still musically brilliant but there comes a time when you need a quiet word....
...............................
Simon is struggling,Peggy is no singer and Chris although fine wasnít in as good a voice as previous years.
I hope something changes and next year sees fresh impetus.


A quiet word is not really done via a public board like this that may well be read by band members. Perhaps this wasn't a good place to post this?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: RobertD on August 14, 2019, 07:54:23 PM


After watching FC last night itís apparent simons voice is starting to go.
His annual murdering of who knows where the time goes is now becoming farcical,it was written for a female singer and yet he stubbornly carries on ruining a fantastic song every year.
Itís clear his vocal range is now becoming limited and lacks the power it once did.
Some songs he just about managed (red and gold) but most were pale imitations.
Iím not suggesting he completely stops singing and he is still musically brilliant but there comes a time when you need a quiet word....
...............................
Simon is struggling,Peggy is no singer and Chris although fine wasnít in as good a voice as previous years.
I hope something changes and next year sees fresh impetus.


A quiet word is not really done via a public board like this that may well be read by band members. Perhaps this wasn't a good place to post this?


Agreed. And by the way it wasn't written for a female singer. A female singer wrote and sang it first. Everything after that I go back to Swarb's classic line- "you can do anything you want to music, it doesn't mind'. Songs can be greater than the singer singing them I get personal preferences. Sandy's version with Fairport is still iconic as Dave suggests, but along with Vikki Clayton's version it has been performed at Cropredy by Julianne Regan, Chris While and not to forget Iain Matthews singing it in 1986.I love all the versions, and I love the rearrangement that Simon now sings. Simon represents the original lineup and represents the only man on stage typically who performed on Fairport's version. The connection is deep and we have all witnessed him choke up a bit, we have all witnessed the rest of the band stepping back and treating the song with respect. So to call any representation of something Simon does as 'murdering' and 'farcical' is an insult on the man himself. He being along with Peggy and Ric (34 years in the band himself now) the sole reason you are sitting in an Oxfordshire field listening to Fairport Convention at all. Slight quibbles with his voice are one thing, thinking you know better than the gents on stage is another.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Wandering Steve on August 14, 2019, 09:55:54 PM



After watching FC last night itís apparent simons voice is starting to go.
His annual murdering of who knows where the time goes is now becoming farcical,it was written for a female singer and yet he stubbornly carries on ruining a fantastic song every year.
Itís clear his vocal range is now becoming limited and lacks the power it once did.
Some songs he just about managed (red and gold) but most were pale imitations.
Iím not suggesting he completely stops singing and he is still musically brilliant but there comes a time when you need a quiet word....
...............................
Simon is struggling,Peggy is no singer and Chris although fine wasnít in as good a voice as previous years.
I hope something changes and next year sees fresh impetus.


A quiet word is not really done via a public board like this that may well be read by band members. Perhaps this wasn't a good place to post this?


Agreed. And by the way it wasn't written for a female singer. A female singer wrote and sang it first. Everything after that I go back to Swarb's classic line- "you can do anything you want to music, it doesn't mind'. Songs can be greater than the singer singing them I get personal preferences. Sandy's version with Fairport is still iconic as Dave suggests, but along with Vikki Clayton's version it has been performed at Cropredy by Julianne Regan, Chris While and not to forget Iain Matthews singing it in 1986.I love all the versions, and I love the rearrangement that Simon now sings. Simon represents the original lineup and represents the only man on stage typically who performed on Fairport's version. The connection is deep and we have all witnessed him choke up a bit, we have all witnessed the rest of the band stepping back and treating the song with respect. So to call any representation of something Simon does as 'murdering' and 'farcical' is an insult on the man himself. He being along with Peggy and Ric (34 years in the band himself now) the sole reason you are sitting in an Oxfordshire field listening to Fairport Convention at all. Slight quibbles with his voice are one thing, thinking you know better than the gents on stage is another.

I AM allowed to express a different opinion to you and am entitled to it.
I thought it sounded poor and I think the song sounds much better when sung by a competent female vocalist.
He is a musician not the bloody pope.
If I think the song sounded poor to me then Iím entitled to mention it.

You enjoyed it
Iím happy for you.





Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Wandering Steve on August 14, 2019, 11:04:22 PM
Just to quantify things regards the fairport set
1) I thought the first couple of songs simons voice was poor(this surprised me)
2) Chris Leslie was fine but again Iíve heard him on better form
3) WKWTTG is one of my favourite songs and I donít think that Simon has done it justice for the last two years.
If Simon or any other poster has taken offence by my usage of the word murdering as in the song I apologise but it is a term used in music when in someoneís opinion the song is sung poorly,badly or not up to a usual high standard.
Perhaps a milder awful or poor may have been a better turn of phrase.
I think it is a much better sounding song when sung by a female vocalist.
4) I thought Peggyís rendition of polly sounded poor to my ears
5) I thought Simons voice picked up for red and gold.
6) I thought Simon sounded...well like Simon on Matty groves and MOTL and was very good and up to his usual high standards
7) I thought all band members were excellent musically throughout as is the norm.
8) I still think an extra singer would not go amiss but thatís personal preference backed up so to speak after hearing a Richard Thompson led fairport style band which I thought was both vocally and musically brilliant from all on the stage.

All in all Iím sorry for any offence and I always enjoy listening to FC (the other eight in our party are not in the slightest bit interested and listened to the ska electrics on field 8 who they much preferred)

Maybe as time goes by itís folly to expect any band to sound as good as they once did(Bob Dylan being one example last years beach boys another and fairport are nowhere near that stage but I still think that in a nutshell maybe more thought could be put into who sings each song as to showcase it to its best ability and show the song in its best light.

Apologies again and I hope this post is more balanced even if many disagree which again is everyoneís prerogative
God willing il still be in the field on a Saturday night in August 2020 and Iím sure theyíll be bits of the festival I enjoy and some less so.
I still wouldnít miss it for the world and for any FC musical disagreements I cannot and do nut fail to grasp that without FC there would be no festival.

I also understand peopleís wishes to listen to the bits they enjoy and leave when itís not for them.
This is the same for any of the acts on over the festival

Iíve only been attending twelve years and this was actually one of my favourites despite the weather...,
Mind you I was in a caravan and not a tent!!

Until next year
God willing.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Pippy on August 17, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Just goes to show doesnít it!
I thought this was the best set FC have staged at Cropredy for many year, itís about time they bought back the classics of R&G, WT, and for me Claudy Banks, coupled with John the Gun and many others I love it will be a well remembered set list.

They even didnít do a popular one I always make time for a loo break. All in all, a fantastic Cropredy experience, Enjoy while it lasts!


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: delfini (Diane) on August 17, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
Sometimes/often how a set or a singer is perceived is down to our own state of mind at the time. Iíve stood/sat beside friends who though x played a blinding set whereas it left me cold and vice versa, so Iím reluctant to post Ďdefinitiveí statements as itís often a subjective thing.
I think the internet has made it Ďusualí to post some blistering comments with, sometimes, some pretty extreme language. I deplore that. I wonder if any of us would be prepared to say what weíve posted directly to the performer mentioned.

Iíll stick to whether the song or set moves me. Iím not looking for perfection, I just want to be drawn into the song. Fairport - and other acts - did this for me. Thanks chaps.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Swamp Donkey (Keith) on August 17, 2019, 06:49:55 PM
Well said Diane.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Paul on August 19, 2019, 10:12:38 PM
I thought Fairport's set was top notch this year. The tribute to Maart was very moving, and I loved hearing the songs he had been involved with played by the extended band. John the Gun is one of my favourite Sandy songs, so I was glad we got that.

I think the whale video was provided by the charity, and nothing to do with nevbull.

I think Simon's voice was lacking power in the top notes, but this could have been down to a multitude of things, singers do get colds, and the weather certainly could not have helped. I had a musical director many years ago who insisted we all wore scarves when out. I am sure it is only temporary, normally his voice is strong, with a good range.

Paul


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: NevBull on August 21, 2019, 07:36:06 PM
You think wrong - I was asked to provide some imagery to play for the closing instrumental.

After discussing with the band - I cut the short Sea Shepherd VT together from footage from their site.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: JennyB on August 22, 2019, 11:14:17 AM

You think wrong - I was asked to provide some imagery to play for the closing instrumental.

After discussing with the band - I cut the short Sea Shepherd VT together from footage from their site.


NevBull, I thought it was really interesting, and it prompted me to go and find out more about Sea Shepherd and their wonderful work, which I wasn't previously aware of. I've just bought a Sea Shepherd KeepCup, which is only a very small gesture I know, but definitely enabled by your vid. Thank you!


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Danny_C on August 23, 2019, 02:28:49 PM
Having thought long and hard about posting at all in this section I am going to have to sit with the minority here.

To my ears this was a middling performance and as much as it pains me to say so I thought Simonís voice was as poor as I have ever heard it, Peggyís was not much better either.  I come to Cropredy primarily to see Fairport with the rest of the acts being a varied but at time huge bonus so this was something of a let-down for me.  I do think it might be time to start to consider and additional singer

The set list was OK and there was some real highlights but again it was nothing special.  

Maybe the last few years have spoilt me.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 23, 2019, 02:45:44 PM
I loved the set, and huge thanks to every member of my Fave band.

There were extreme weather circumstances this year which almost caused the festival to be cancelled, so if anyoneís voice was a bit off maybe they should be given a bit of slack?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Tony Pim on August 23, 2019, 09:05:41 PM
Sat in the garden having a Fairport Friday. Red Wine, cheese and randomly selecting tracks, currently Crazy Man Michael.  Anyone else do Fairport Fridays?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on August 23, 2019, 11:07:41 PM

Sat in the garden having a Fairport Friday. Red Wine, cheese and randomly selecting tracks, currently Crazy Man Michael. †Anyone else do Fairport Fridays?


Great idea!


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: PeterJ on August 24, 2019, 09:42:07 AM

much as it pains me to say so I thought Simonís voice was as poor as I have ever heard it,

Maybe the last few years have spoilt me.


Spoilt your ears more like....I thought Simon's voice was better than I've heard it for a long time. Weird.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Lubiloo (Lorna) on August 24, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
Thought they were brilliant and it was as good a performance as I ever heard from them, since I was first introduced by my mate in the early 90s.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: JJ (Joanna) on August 24, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
The voices of our 'favourite' folkies are not going to be the same forever or even as we remember, they have to adapt and as they age maybe they need to change key to sing certain songs. I often feel there are some songs that can no longer be visited. I like to remember a lot of bands and singers as they were back in the day, therefore for me the CD is my best friend! I keep my Cropredy years in my heart as a very special time, my fave years were the Maart years and that's where I'm staying!  ;)


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on August 25, 2019, 10:46:10 AM
I love the chaps , have done since the late 60's. But time moves on.

Peggy remains a top draw bass player. Long may he continue.But ,he shouldn't lead sing.

Simon still sings Ralph and Chris songs very ,very well.

But Sandy songs need a female voice, Wasn't John The Gun good with band playing and Sally Barker singing.

More of that and the band can go on for years yet.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 25, 2019, 11:28:38 AM

I love the chaps , have done since the late 60's. But time moves on.

Peggy remains a top draw bass player. Long may he continue.But ,he shouldn't lead sing.

Simon still sings Ralph and Chris songs very ,very well.

But Sandy songs need a female voice, Wasn't John The Gun good with band playing and Sally Barker singing.

More of that and the band can go on for years yet.


Exactly - the best summing up/analysis Iíve seen


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Viv G on August 25, 2019, 06:25:33 PM

I loved the set, and huge thanks to every member of my Fave band.

There were extreme weather circumstances this year which almost caused the festival to be cancelled, so if anyoneís voice was a bit off maybe they should be given a bit of slack?


Well said Jenny


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Graham B on August 28, 2019, 05:59:11 PM
Just have to say.

What a great set Fairport played - one of the best and a fitting tribute to Maart.


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: mickf on August 30, 2019, 11:45:37 AM

The voices of our 'favourite' folkies are not going to be the same forever or even as we remember, they have to adapt and as they age maybe they need to change key to sing certain songs. I often feel there are some songs that can no longer be visited. I like to remember a lot of bands and singers as they were back in the day, therefore for me the CD is my best friend! I keep my Cropredy years in my heart as a very special time, my fave years were the Maart years and that's where I'm staying! †;)


Reminded me of seeing Lindisfarne when Rod Clements introduced 'Train in G Major' and said it had now been re-titled 'Train in E Major' due to the march of time.  ;D


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Hibbitt (Christer) on October 24, 2019, 10:22:11 AM
Brilliant this year, Fairport!  :)
But has anybody out there a complete list of the guesting musicians in this ten/elevenish-piece FC?


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: David W on October 24, 2019, 10:59:45 AM

Brilliant this year, Fairport! †:)
But has anybody out there a complete list of the guesting musicians in this ten/elevenish-piece FC?


From memory

Simon, Peggy, Ric, Chris, Gerry, DM, PJ Wright (lead gtr and vocals), Anna Ryder (vocals, squeezebox, trumpet), Sally Barker (gtr amd vocals), Phil Bond (keys), Edmund (trumpet)

DW


Title: Re: Fairport Convention
Post by: Hibbitt (Christer) on October 24, 2019, 11:48:42 AM


Brilliant this year, Fairport! †:)
But has anybody out there a complete list of the guesting musicians in this ten/elevenish-piece FC?


From memory

Simon, Peggy, Ric, Chris, Gerry, DM, PJ Wright (lead gtr and vocals), Anna Ryder (vocals, squeezebox, trumpet), Sally Barker (gtr amd vocals), Phil Bond (keys), Edmund (trumpet)

DW


Thanks! Forgot about Phil Bond and Edmund (last name?).
And Joe Brown.
And Tom Farnell! †8)