TalkAwhile - The Folk Corporation Forum

Music In General => Musician Talk => Topic started by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2018, 10:23:40 AM



Title: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 05, 2018, 10:23:40 AM
Not strictly a musician's question, but I wasn't sure where else to put it.

I've recently copied all my CDs to iCloud. Problem is, I can only access them when I have decent interweb access. This is OK at home, but no good if we're away in the caravan or just out and about.

Can anyone recommend a gadget that will allow we to store all my music (over 17,000 tracks at the moment with more very likely in the future!) and is reasonably portable. Something like an IPod but Ok if it's bigger and needs an electric supply.

Thanks!

Bridgwit


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: MarkV on December 05, 2018, 10:29:11 AM
A couple of  32gb USB memory sticks works for  me , also backed up on a hard drive or two.  Use my usb sticks in the car mostly, but you can get small radio/cd players and similar that will take memory sticks.  (1200+ Albums (box sets and double albums are counted as 1))  



Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: GubGub (Al) on December 05, 2018, 10:44:40 AM
There are all sorts of options here, depending on what you already have access to. I use a 256gb micro SD card in my phone since Apple stopped supporting the Ipod Classic.

Otherwise something like this (for example) might be an option. https://www.amazon.co.uk/AP60-Bluetooth-Resolution-Lossless-Digital-Silver/dp/B06ZXW3TLC/ref=sr_1_9?s=network-media&ie=UTF8&qid=1544006585&sr=1-9&keywords=portable+media+player&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A214402031


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: fat Billy(Bill) on December 05, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
I'm a bit traditional, I keep mine on my laptop and back it up on my external drive. I have 64 Gb USB memory in the TV and the car.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Will S on December 06, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
I'm still using my 160 GB iPod classic (bought just as they announced they were discontinuing them, as my previous one was already a few years old), and hoping it will keep on working!


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 06, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Thanks all

Al - yours is my favourite so I'll probably go with that  :)  :D


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: StephenB on December 06, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
Excuse me for stepping in here, Brig. Al - that looks good for me who's trying to upgrade my old 8GB iPod nano - (ans would be a great hint for a Christmas pressie...) but will I be able to put my iTunes library over to it, or will Apple have all kind of fits with me?


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 06, 2018, 05:30:21 PM

Excuse me for stepping in here, Brig. Al - that looks good for me who's trying to upgrade my old 8GB iPod nano - (ans would be a great hint for a Christmas pressie...) but will I be able to put my iTunes library over to it, or will Apple have all kind of fits with me?
Good Question!


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: GubGub (Al) on December 06, 2018, 06:34:31 PM

Excuse me for stepping in here, Brig. Al - that looks good for me who's trying to upgrade my old 8GB iPod nano - (ans would be a great hint for a Christmas pressie...) but will I be able to put my iTunes library over to it, or will Apple have all kind of fits with me?


You will be able to put all the music from your ITunes library onto it by copying (drag & drop) across the media files from the ITunes folder on your PC/laptop/wherever you currently store them. It will not work with ITunes software however so you will not be able to copy playlists etc (the ITunes Library XML file) onto it. The only portable media players that can use ITunes are Apple's own products.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: StephenB on December 06, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
That's what I was thinking, but thanks for confirming it. I'm most afraid of Apple losing things in a fit of pique when it notices I'm trying to take them elsewhere...


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Tasha on December 07, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
I have a friend who swears by this as a cheaper alternative. Has good reviews on T'internet too!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075WTF1WQ/ref=asc_df_B075WTF1WQ57339555/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B075WTF1WQ&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310809309344&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6915107307384649570&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006575&hvtargid=pla-404321148676


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 10, 2018, 11:25:36 AM

I have a friend who swears by this as a cheaper alternative. Has good reviews on T'internet too!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075WTF1WQ/ref=asc_df_B075WTF1WQ57339555/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B075WTF1WQ&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310809309344&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6915107307384649570&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006575&hvtargid=pla-404321148676
Wow 128gb!!

And it's cheap enough to buy two (as I have more than 60,000 tracks to download!!!)


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Andy on December 10, 2018, 11:39:50 AM
I use a 2TB USB3 external disk, which requires no power supply as it comes through the USB. I plug it in to the USB port on a dvd player, tv and in a car. Works fine. 94,869 tracks, fitting into 582GB. (I also keep movies on it).


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on December 11, 2018, 09:17:44 AM

I use a 2TB USB3 external disk, which requires no power supply as it comes through the USB. I plug it in to the USB port on a dvd player, tv and in a car. Works fine. 94,869 tracks, fitting into 582GB. (I also keep movies on it).
That's also a good idea Andy. I'm liking the look of this one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/External-Hard-Drives/LaCie-Portable-Resistant-External-LAC9000298/B00IRV005E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1544519727&sr=8-12&keywords=2TB+USB3+external+disk  


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Andy on December 11, 2018, 09:58:28 AM
I use this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Portable-External-Creative-Photography/dp/B01J1N30TE/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1544522250&sr=8-12&keywords=2TB+USB3+external+disk). Several in fact for backups.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: neil fatea on January 23, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Andy have you had any problems with your drives? I had one fail whilst less than 6 months old. No data lost as it was a back up, but curious.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Andy on January 24, 2019, 08:26:09 AM

Andy have you had any problems with your drives? I had one fail whilst less than 6 months old. No data lost as it was a back up, but curious.


I have had 2 disks fail in the last few years. One was a month, the other about 5 years old.

Back in the very old days when I worked on some disk technology, the MTBFs (Mean Time Between Failure) were about 10,000 hours if you were lucky. Nowadays the MTBF is measured in thousands of years. Having said that, disks do fail occasionally. If they're less than a year old, replacement under guarantee is pretty certain.

Like you, I back up my backups and never rely upon a single point of failure for any part of my disk subsystem.



Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: davidmjs on January 24, 2019, 05:49:53 PM


I have a friend who swears by this as a cheaper alternative. Has good reviews on T'internet too!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075WTF1WQ/ref=asc_df_B075WTF1WQ57339555/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B075WTF1WQ&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310809309344&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6915107307384649570&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006575&hvtargid=pla-404321148676
Wow 128gb!!

And it's cheap enough to buy two (as I have more than 60,000 tracks to download!!!)


Remember you'll have to buy the cards too.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Brendan on January 24, 2019, 10:26:28 PM
I have one of these FiiO X3iii (3rd gen) High Resolution Digital Audio Player Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0743CYBH2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gPJsCbPD29V5Z I like it anyway!


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on February 02, 2019, 03:46:00 AM
I should back up my music files?  ???

I thought putting my cds on to iTunes was a kind of backing up?

What if the backup doesn't work?

I was given an external thingy with a load of videos on it, but it needed two usb ports to run. I only had one accessible,  because of the thingy for my keyboard and I can't get at the ones on the back.

:-(  So much for being an Information Scientist.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Andy on February 02, 2019, 09:52:24 AM
iTunes isn't a backup. You can lose access for a number of reasons, but more to the point no-one else is (should be) allowed access. Backing up CDs to hard disk allows you to pass them on when you die.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on February 02, 2019, 10:34:02 AM

iTunes isn't a backup. You can lose access for a number of reasons, but more to the point no-one else is (should be) allowed access. Backing up CDs to hard disk allows you to pass them on when you die.


Indeed. Mrs. K has spent a frustrating few evenings tracking down a bunch of files that she knows she has on iTunes but which the mercurial server has declined to transfer over to her new (Microsoft) laptop. I’ve heard tell of iTunes substituting alternate versions of the same songs during ‘upgrades’. In the same fashion, you don’t ‘own’ the books on your Kindle in the same way you do as if they’re sitting on your bookshelf.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: GubGub (Al) on February 02, 2019, 11:05:13 AM

I should back up my music files?  ???

I thought putting my cds on to iTunes was a kind of backing up?

What if the backup doesn't work?

I was given an external thingy with a load of videos on it, but it needed two usb ports to run. I only had one accessible,  because of the thingy for my keyboard and I can't get at the ones on the back.

:-(  So much for being an Information Scientist.


Using ITunes to rip your CDs (as I do) does create a file on your PC for each track on the CD, usually in an ITunes folder which the software creates in the the PC's Music folder but you can choose for the files to be saved elsewhere (as I have). However this still only leaves you with one copy of each file so they are not backed up. If something happens to your PC's hard drive you may lose them all. In order to back them up you need to copy the folder to an entirely different drive so that you have at least two independently stored versions.. This will also preserve your ITunes library data (playlists etc) to be reinstalled to ITunes should the original source folder be lost for some reason.

The Itunes folder is a mixture of actual media files (Mp3s or whatever format you use) and other data regarding the way in which your ITunes content is organised. The media files themselves are available for any other music player too and do not have to be played back using ITunes itself. My Itunes folder is the source for playback via my Sonos system/app.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Pugwash on February 02, 2019, 11:11:26 AM
All our music is backed up on huge disks I change them from time to time.

Our Cds amount to just over 103GB which conveniently fit, for the time being, on a 128 data stick Ł20 eBay very handy for the car.

Having said that it takes a while to find stuff so I tend to have favs saved to a smaller data stick. Change it quite often as I soon find I'm bored with my selection.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: AdrianW on February 02, 2019, 11:49:56 AM

I have one of these FiiO X3iii (3rd gen) High Resolution Digital Audio Player Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0743CYBH2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gPJsCbPD29V5Z I like it anyway!

I have a FiiO X5ii 2nd Generation Audio Player and DAC with 2 x 200 GB memory cards. In general it is very good, but suffers from two major flaws:

The library cannot cope with the number of tracks I have, so I can only use it by navigating through the directory structure.

It does not cope at all well with non MP3 conformant files masquerading as MP3.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: AdrianW on February 02, 2019, 12:04:36 PM
Generic advice for MP3 storage
Keep the master on a PC or NAS.
Backup the master Mp3 collection, along with anything else you cherish, to a rotating pool of external disks. I use rsync. Windows users could use robocopy.
Regard anything stored on portable music players as ephemeral. One day it will break or you will lose it.

Amazingly the Archos Gmini XS 202s 20GB MP3 Player containing a real spinning disk that I bought in 2006 still works.


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Brendan on February 02, 2019, 04:45:13 PM


I have one of these FiiO X3iii (3rd gen) High Resolution Digital Audio Player Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0743CYBH2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gPJsCbPD29V5Z I like it anyway!

I have a FiiO X5ii 2nd Generation Audio Player and DAC with 2 x 200 GB memory cards. In general it is very good, but suffers from two major flaws:

The library cannot cope with the number of tracks I have, so I can only use it by navigating through the directory structure.

It does not cope at all well with non MP3 conformant files masquerading as MP3.
I must admit it definitely has issues it has a habit of not saving the artist and thing getting put in a unknown file and sometime when backing up it puts tracks on again sometimes in different formats... Otherwise it's great


Title: Re: MP3 Storage
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on February 04, 2019, 12:30:15 PM
Thank you all for your posts on this subject.

Mike and I are no longer moving, not for the foreseeable anyway, so I've decided to keep most of my CDs. There are a lot of compilations and a few duplicates I'm going to give to the charity shop, but the rest will be packed up in plastic storage boxes and stored in the attic.

I still have an old iPod and a lot of it will get transferred onto that, but the rest can sit in the Cloud where I can easily access it, as long as I have WiFi.

Now to look at all my DVDs.....  :-\  ;D