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Title: Maartin Allcock
Post by: NigelT on August 14, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
I thought the reception for Maartin on Saturday night was lovely, and he was clearly moved. It is so sad to hear the news about his health.  Forgive me Fairporters, but I wasn't really aware of his input into the band until fairly recently, and this was the first time I've heard him play, other than last year at the 50th shindig. The version of Matty Groves was stupendous - can anyone point me at a recorded live version which is like Saturdays? Also any other recommendations for further listening would be most welcome. Ta  :)


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: David W on August 14, 2018, 11:37:04 AM

I thought the reception for Maartin on Saturday night was lovely, and he was clearly moved. It is so sad to hear the news about his health.  Forgive me Fairporters, but I wasn't really aware of his input into the band until fairly recently, and this was the first time I've heard him play, other than last year at the 50th shindig. The version of Matty Groves was stupendous - can anyone point me at a recorded live version which is like Saturdays? Also any other recommendations for further listening would be most welcome. Ta  :)


The 25th Anniversary double cd is probably the best for Maart era brilliance:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/25th-Anniversary-Concert-Fairport-Convention/dp/B000NJVWQO

DW


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: DarrenWilliams on August 14, 2018, 12:20:51 PM
This is a live recording of a New York Bottom Line concert from (I'm guessing) 1993ish. Ends with a storming version of Metal Matty. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/wGGr4_elQ28


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: spooley (Simon) on August 14, 2018, 12:30:26 PM

The version of Matty Groves was stupendous - can anyone point me at a recorded live version which is like Saturdays?


You can hear the actual performance on Radio Oxford's Cropredy programme on the BBC Iplayer:
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06g5bnd
The "Metal Matty" intro starts at 5:37:27


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 14, 2018, 12:39:49 PM


The version of Matty Groves was stupendous - can anyone point me at a recorded live version which is like Saturdays?


You can hear the actual performance on Radio Oxford's Cropredy programme on the BBC Iplayer:
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06g5bnd
The "Metal Matty" intro starts at 5:37:27


Alternatively, the full Metal Matty is available on the CD of the 1992 Cropredy Festival and also I think on the live album From Cropredy To Portmeiron but you might want to double check the latter.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: DarrenWilliams on August 14, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
Was the Cropredy 1992 'Metal' Matty the first time they played that arrangement? I don't recall them playing that version on the 92 Winter tour.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 14, 2018, 01:18:11 PM

Was the Cropredy 1992 'Metal' Matty the first time they played that arrangement? I don't recall them playing that version on the 92 Winter tour.


You may be right, though I think it did get played on tour, whether before or after I can't recall.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: DarrenWilliams on August 14, 2018, 01:19:26 PM
Another good Maart-era song is The Wounded Whale from Five Seasons. There is a version on youtube where Maart himself comments on it and talks about playing the solo on a guitar that once belonged to Jerry Donahue. He says its one of his favourite solos of his career.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: StephenGiles on August 14, 2018, 01:20:50 PM
Without access to my cassettes at home, I think they played Metal Matty on a BBC Nightride session in 1989, but if anyone knows the whereabouts of (reel master) Dave Gaule, he would surely know. Lost touch with that great chap some years ago!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Chris on August 14, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
I was hoping for the Wounded Whale on Saturday.....

And the suggestion was to put out Maart's last performances (at Cropredy, but likely last live as he says), not to find a several years old performance!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 14, 2018, 01:30:14 PM

I was hoping for the Wounded Whale on Saturday.....

And the suggestion was to put out Maart's last performances (at Cropredy, but likely last live as he says), not to find a several years old performance!


Was it?


can anyone point me at a recorded live version which is like Saturdays? Also any other recommendations for further listening would be most welcome. Ta  :)


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: NigelT on August 14, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Excellent - thanks everyone!

As hinted in my original post, I lost touch with Fairport over the years, but I am on a voyage of discovery now. I love finding some 'new old', and this started at last year's Cropredy, when the wallet took a battering...oh dear, here we go again..!!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Jim on August 14, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
Saturday nights performances are out there on the interweb, the radio broadcast and recorded on the field


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Jamie73 on August 14, 2018, 03:59:56 PM

Without access to my cassettes at home, I think they played Metal Matty on a BBC Nightride session in 1989, but if anyone knows the whereabouts of (reel master) Dave Gaule, he would surely know. Lost touch with that great chap some years ago!


Yes, they did play Metal Matty in 1989 on the radio - it was a late night session I remember that! I remember vividly that the show ended with (Richard Skinner?) closing the show with Iain Matthews' If You Saw Thro' My Eyes which I'd never heard before.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: John From Austin on August 14, 2018, 04:19:53 PM

Was the Cropredy 1992 'Metal' Matty the first time they played that arrangement? I don't recall them playing that version on the 92 Winter tour.


The laser disc (remember those?) of Cropredy 1987 (packaged, re-packaged and re-re-packaged many times since) has a very fine Metal Matty.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 15, 2018, 08:38:59 AM
Well here is a lesson to us all.

Last night Maart posted in this topic, objection to something that had been said. I messaged him asking what he would like done. Keep everything, or just delete all references. He came back to me this morning with a personal message and the issue has been edited out.

Marrt's message finished:

As for me, the matter is over, the man is forgiven, and let's all move on. Life really is too short...

Everybody remember that.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: StephenB on August 15, 2018, 08:59:28 AM
Ok - moving on, with peace and love and a group hug. Bad timing meant that the only section of the concert I missed was the whole section featuring Maart, up to the the second verse of Matty. So, I'm asking (and yes I have looked), does anyone know of an online video of this section? (and if so could they link to it please).


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Andy on August 15, 2018, 09:22:40 AM
I'm assured that the official videos of Crops 2018 will turn up on YouTube shortly. Meanwhile the audio can be heard and downloaded from BBC Radio Oxford.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: StephenB on August 15, 2018, 09:26:23 AM
Thanks Andy


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Pugwash on August 15, 2018, 02:19:33 PM
Comme le Solei from Maart’s Chilli Morning is my ringtone.

Odd effect playing the album especially as it’s the first track. I knew it was the album, still didn’t stop all my senses telling me I had a call!

Brill album btw.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 15, 2018, 03:26:04 PM

Comme le Solei from Maart’s Chilli Morning is my ringtone.

Odd effect playing the album especially as it’s the first track. I knew it was the album, still didn’t stop all my senses telling me I had a call!

Brill album btw.


Slightly off topic but my message alert is the first 5 notes of Band On The Run but if it ever comes on the radio or I hear it elsewhere I always find myself grabbing my phone! ::)


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Will S on August 15, 2018, 04:19:29 PM
Mine is Portmeirion, and I have the same problem!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: StephenB on August 15, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
I keep telling myself I'm going to make the Lark in  the Morning cowbells as my message alert. Just next to sit down for 20 mins and fight with my phone to make it happen.

BTW back on topic, the videos featuring Maart are up now on the Fairport channel. Excellent stuff, and the odd teardrop was shed.



Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 15, 2018, 04:47:15 PM

Mine is Portmeirion, and I have the same problem!


Have you ever been there?

It's amazing!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Will S on August 16, 2018, 09:49:17 AM


Mine is Portmeirion, and I have the same problem!


Have you ever been there?

It's amazing!



Yes, we went there a few years ago.  It is a fascinating place.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: StephenGiles on August 16, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Metal Matty 2018!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc4im9L-g1g


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Fegg on August 16, 2018, 10:42:06 PM
One More Chance...


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 16, 2018, 10:43:57 PM

One More Chance...


Love this pic, thank you Fegg xxx


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Will S on August 17, 2018, 12:31:09 PM


One More Chance...


Love this pic, thank you Fegg xxx


Yes, that's a great one!


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Yorkshire Chris on August 17, 2018, 10:39:31 PM
Great pic. Sending loads of positive vibes Maart's way.  


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Tony Pim on August 17, 2018, 11:54:51 PM
Love this pic


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Fegg on August 25, 2018, 08:48:35 PM
Thank you Maart, for all the pleasure you have given so many of us for so long.


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Pugwash on August 25, 2018, 09:23:04 PM

Thank you Maart, for all the pleasure you have given so many of us for so long.


Too true


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 25, 2018, 09:23:55 PM
Fabulous photo Fegg, thank you xxx


Title: Re: Maartin Allcock
Post by: delfini (Diane) on August 26, 2018, 01:01:27 AM
Brilliant picture. Well said, too.