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Title: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 12, 2018, 02:00:10 PM
There's a serious problem when the sound mix is so bad that you can't hear the lyrics in comedy songs and that's what happened. I asked around and it wasn't just me.

However that gets forgiven if you pull off a stunt like 'crowd boating'. Great build up, with the lads having their own BRA BAR in the audience. Bangin' block rockin' beats as well.
A Cropredy first and that takes some doing.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: richardkendell on August 12, 2018, 02:07:53 PM
A great festival act. I didn't notice any problems with the sound.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Sue & Chris on August 12, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Yeah, the mix wasn't great, although the singer could have been better on the mic. Great fun, although I'm sure they weren't everyone's cup of tea. 'How Deep is your Glove' had a touch of genius about it.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Albie on August 12, 2018, 02:17:41 PM

There's a serious problem when the sound mix is so bad that you can't hear the lyrics in comedy songs and that's what happened. I asked around and it wasn't just me.

However that gets forgiven if you pull off a stunt like 'crowd boating'. Great build up, with the lads having their own BRA BAR in the audience. Bangin' block rockin' beats as well.
A Cropredy first and that takes some doing.


Agree to a point but it seemed to me, standing near the front, that it became better after the first couple of songs. Certainly enough of the jokes were getting through to have peeps around me laughing loads. Vocals might have been less clear elsewhere on the field of course.
I thought they went down a storm, and must have picked up lots of new fans. Obviously, the biggest venue I've ever seen them perform, and I reckon they nailed it (which I hoped they would but feared they might not). A cert to be re-booked, I would have thought.

The "crowd boating" was good fun, but only a Cropredy first because Rammstein have unaccountably never been booked to headline there.  :)


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 12, 2018, 02:19:39 PM

Yeah, the mix wasn't great, although the singer could have been better on the mic. Great fun, although I'm sure they weren't everyone's cup of tea. 'How Deep is your Glove' had a touch of genius about it.


Certainly weren’t my cup of tea! They came across as a crude cabaret act trying to shoehornn dodgy lyrics into classic tunes. Yes I know that’s their act but did nothing for me. However I must admit I did smile at the song regarding catching yourself in the trouser zip (can’t remember what the tune was though) but songs like “Walking in Man Piss” - assuming that’s what they were singing as I too couldn’t hear at times - left me cold  :-[


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: PhilipK on August 12, 2018, 02:54:53 PM
We also had problems with the sound (we were right at the front) - a parody where you can't make out the words is not ideal.

I thought that there were a perfect act for the slot they were in - uptempo, good fun, a sense of humour - and thoroughly enjoyed them.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Nick Reg on August 12, 2018, 03:21:13 PM
I like a lot of comedy but I thought they were dreadful with schoolboy humour. The joke wore thin very quickly.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 12, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
I like schoolboy humour (I watch hours of Inbetweeners repeats) so I loved them. Couldn’t catch a lot of their lyrics but I caught the gist of all of them. I thought they were brilliant. Great musicians, plenty of funny banter and they had most of the field in hysterics, not to mention jumping around! The crowd surf was inspired and I noticed he didn’t spill a drop!

People often talk about “these troubled times” so let’s enjoy ourselves and have a laff  ;D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on August 12, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
Simply most original act on the main stage, I expected to laugh but was surprised that they could play so very well.

Doubters are Cockwombles. That was a brilliant song had me in Stitches.

The song about traping sensative parts in a zip was ,well it just was.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: blagden on August 12, 2018, 05:36:31 PM
Told you all not to miss them, Scott often used to play solo gigs in pubs near me and he's one talented performer and writer.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 12, 2018, 06:04:06 PM

Simply most original act on the main stage, I expected to laugh but was surprised that they could play so very well.

Doubters are Cockwombles. That was a brilliant song had me in Stitches.

The song about traping sensative parts in a zip was ,well it just was.


“Most original act”? Trying to shoehorn dodgy lyrics into somebody else’s tune is not original...never heard of that other dodgy band The Barron Knights?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 12, 2018, 06:06:39 PM


Simply most original act on the main stage, I expected to laugh but was surprised that they could play so very well.

Doubters are Cockwombles. That was a brilliant song had me in Stitches.

The song about traping sensative parts in a zip was ,well it just was.


“Most original act”? Trying to shoehorn dodgy lyrics into somebody else’s tune is not original...never heard of that other dodgy band The Barron Knights?
Yes, but they weren’t related to Val Doonican...  


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on August 12, 2018, 06:34:27 PM
Easily the best of this year’s comedy acts.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Addie on August 12, 2018, 06:38:02 PM
Completely biased I suppose but I thought they went down a storm. Lots of laughter from first timers round by me and lots of cd's were sold afterwards. Very proud to see my good friends up on that stage and immensely chuffed for them.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Nick Reg on August 12, 2018, 06:38:48 PM



Simply most original act on the main stage, I expected to laugh but was surprised that they could play so very well.

Doubters are Cockwombles. That was a brilliant song had me in Stitches.

The song about traping sensative parts in a zip was ,well it just was.


“Most original act”? Trying to shoehorn dodgy lyrics into somebody else’s tune is not original...never heard of that other dodgy band The Barron Knights?
Yes, but they weren’t related to Val Doonican...  


Neither were the sons!!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: David V B on August 12, 2018, 07:19:40 PM
Thought they would be a bit marmite and didn’t really know what to expect, but they were great fun. Exactly the right time.

Song about a girl from Dodsworth was ironic. My wife is from that area and the only Cropredy in 20 years we have missed was because we went to a family wedding at Dodsworth Hall. I still bear a grudge as I never did get to see Jackie Leven.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: mikec on August 12, 2018, 07:25:31 PM

I like a lot of comedy but I thought they were dreadful with schoolboy humour. The joke wore thin very quickly.


Largely agree Nick. The crowd surfing was a fab ending though and I take my hat off to them for that. Lots of the other songs though fell flat.

And I agree with Yabb, the mix was very poor.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Andy on August 12, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
A good one-off act. Please, never again.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 12, 2018, 09:13:43 PM

A good one-off act. Please, never again.


Agreed....and once was too much for me


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Will S on August 13, 2018, 12:43:09 PM


I like a lot of comedy but I thought they were dreadful with schoolboy humour. The joke wore thin very quickly.


Largely agree Nick. The crowd surfing was a fab ending though and I take my hat off to them for that. Lots of the other songs though fell flat.

And I agree with Yabb, the mix was very poor.


I'm on this side of the crowd, I'm afraid.  I was hoping for better - never having heard them before - but rather too much schoolboy, toilet humour doesn't do it for me.  Crowd surfing was good though.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 13, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
This was posted in Twitter soon after their set. I really do think they're just a bunch of lads who can play instruments very well and write amusing lyrics to existing songs, and want to entertain. The last thing on their mind is to upset anyone. Their humour might be considered juvenile by some but it's just a matter of taste (or lack of!).  



Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on August 13, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Well i was expecting them to be a one-joke band who'd be mildly amusing, but i was won over by their infectious enthusiasm and, yes, their musical talent. They were in the right place at the right time and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Yes it was puerile and smutty humour,  yes the Barron Kinights have done it before (and kudos to them), and of course some were bound to be offended, but noone was being cruelly mocked. It was seaside postcard humour pretending to be nothing else, and IMO perfect for that slot. My surprise enjoyment band of the festival.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Wandering Steve on August 13, 2018, 02:13:20 PM
Well I loved them and would love to see them play cropredy again.
The people around me were loving it and a couple of points...
1) They sold out of CDs in the tent
2) They were the only band to get the crowd out of their seats all weekend.

They are facts
You can look at on line videos and from the front to the back of the field the crowd were on their feet enjoying themselves.

I couldn’t buy a Doonicans cd as they’d all been sold.

These points enhance the fact that the overwhelming majority enjoyed them.

I appreciate not everyone has the same taste but as aj Clarke said after their set they absolutely rocked it.

What about DR busker filling the slot next year?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on August 13, 2018, 02:16:37 PM
Hi folks

It's always nice to read the feedback from a new crowd, even if it's the negative stuff because what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Thanks to social media, everybody gets to be a public critic and many don't realise that comedians/musicians have feelings too. I'll lick me wounds later.

Firstly, can I just say that we were absolutely over-the-moon to be on that stage. Thanks to Fairport and their amazing behind-the-scenes crew who looked after us so incredibly well all weekend. To the doubters, I don't mind your comments about what we have worked our arses off for over 12 years, because we got the opportunity to do something that has been a lifetime ambition.

I never travelled all the way to Oxfordshire to be 'high-brow', so if you expected it to have the wisdom of Bob Dylan, you were a bit silly thinking it would. And I am quite happy to be compared to The Barron Knights. They were great musicians and masters of their craft.  
If we offended anybody, we're sorry. It certainly wasn't intentional. We're nice chaps if you meet us in the pub.

Lastly, our time on stage was a final chance to bring a smile to the face of our friend and mentor Maart Allcock, who has believed in us for a long, long time. Love ya Maart.

Peace and love
Scott Doonican


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 13, 2018, 03:42:10 PM
Well Maart should have warned you about coming in here.

This isn't your Facebook page where people will be there because they searched you out. This is a strange selection of people who have come here by many different routes (roots). I think the Fairport lads do read it, but with some trepidation. You really have to treat it as just putting your work in front of a random group of people and then ask them what they thought.

You'll have to take the crunchy with the smooth.

I'd say about a third of the posts here loved you and the rest are split between those who didn't and those that couldn't hear. So that's probably 10,000 people who liked you and you sold out of the CD. Sounds like a result to me.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: kevin on August 13, 2018, 03:57:48 PM
I for one am still laughing.
The sound system let them down somewhat, but overall excellent.
Apart from morris dancing, they were the only ones who had nearly everyone on their feet.
Thar did reet good lads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohneoZKw8es

You made Me laugh like this man does, with no offence.


Kevin


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 13, 2018, 04:03:07 PM

Hi folks

It's always nice to read the feedback from a new crowd, even if it's the negative stuff because what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Thanks to social media, everybody gets to be a public critic and many don't realise that comedians/musicians have feelings too. I'll lick me wounds later.

Firstly, can I just say that we were absolutely over-the-moon to be on that stage. Thanks to Fairport and their amazing behind-the-scenes crew who looked after us so incredibly well all weekend. To the doubters, I don't mind your comments about what we have worked our arses off for over 12 years, because we got the opportunity to do something that has been a lifetime ambition.

I never travelled all the way to Oxfordshire to be 'high-brow', so if you expected it to have the wisdom of Bob Dylan, you were a bit silly thinking it would. And I am quite happy to be compared to The Barron Knights. They were great musicians and masters of their craft.  
If we offended anybody, we're sorry. It certainly wasn't intentional. We're nice chaps if you meet us in the pub.

Lastly, our time on stage was a final chance to bring a smile to the face of our friend and mentor Maart Allcock, who has believed in us for a long, long time. Love ya Maart.

Peace and love
Scott Doonican

Hello Mr Doonican
I thought you were amazing. Everyone around us was laughing like drains and thought you could have a spot every year.
I'm now desperately trying to get tickets for Watchet just to see you again!  
And seeing Maart up there enjoying every minute was wonderful, if not a little emotional  :'(

Carry on doing what you're doing and ignore the naysayers  >:(

Bridgwit (not from Yorkshire but Barry in South Wales)


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Tasha on August 13, 2018, 04:45:01 PM

I like schoolboy humour (I watch hours of Inbetweeners repeats) so I loved them. Couldn’t catch a lot of their lyrics but I caught the gist of all of them. I thought they were brilliant. Great musicians, plenty of funny banter and they had most of the field in hysterics, not to mention jumping around! The crowd surf was inspired and I noticed he didn’t spill a drop!

People often talk about “these troubled times” so let’s enjoy ourselves and have a laff  ;D


Couldn't agree more Bridge! I love the Inbetweeners too! I was looking forward to this lot and I loved them! Yes it's schoolboy humour so what? Life is too short to not have a laugh especially at a festival.  I went down the front in order to hear the lyrics better and enjoyed it immensely.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Poor Will (Bill) on August 13, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
The young lady stood next to me at the front was literally crying with laughter, and I wasn’t far from it myself!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Sue & Chris on August 13, 2018, 08:22:45 PM

This was posted in Twitter soon after their set. I really do think they're just a bunch of lads who can play instruments very well and write amusing lyrics to existing songs, and want to entertain. The last thing on their mind is to upset anyone. Their humour might be considered juvenile by some but it's just a matter of taste (or lack of!).  



Well strictly speaking the song was about someone's reaction to a transgender person. But really, that's such an overreaction to a daft comedy song. Sigh.

Since, you're here, Scott, my group had only one complaint - the absence of any songs based on the work of the great Val himself. How come? Surely you could make something out of Paddy McGinty's Goat, for a start off?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on August 13, 2018, 10:29:08 PM
We reworked Delaney's Donkey on our second album back in 2011 as Doonican's Dog... a genuine true story too (it's all in my book).

For those of you that liked any of it we have a website at www.thebarstewardsons.com

for those of you that didn't, I have a thicker skin than an onion. I just played the biggest gig of my life and loved every second. And I get to do it all again at the next handful of weekends at festivals up and down the country. This still beats being stuck in my old infant classroom. It ain't a boring way to make a living.

Peace out folks
Scott D xxx


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: barton cobbler on August 13, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
All of our group thought that the Doonicans were terrific. I'd seen a couple of things on YouTube so I was looking forward to seeing them and they were to quote "s**t hot".
    A few of us are heading up to Castle Donnington in September where we can see not only the Doonicans but the wonderful Mad Dog McRea on the same bill


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: PhilipK on August 13, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
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Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Fegg on August 13, 2018, 11:12:18 PM
From where I was standing it appeared that everyone was having a blast, though I may have missed one or two sitting in their deck chairs with arms tightly folded and faces like slapped backsides, determined not to enjoy what they had paid for.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on August 13, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
I think that last pic sums it up...


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Sue & Chris on August 13, 2018, 11:31:51 PM

We reworked Delaney's Donkey on our second album back in 2011 as Doonican's Dog... a genuine true story too (it's all in my book).

For those of you that liked any of it we have a website at www.thebarstewardsons.com

for those of you that didn't, I have a thicker skin than an onion. I just played the biggest gig of my life and loved every second. And I get to do it all again at the next handful of weekends at festivals up and down the country. This still beats being stuck in my old infant classroom. It ain't a boring way to make a living.

Peace out folks
Scott D xxx


Thanks for replying Scott. Not sure whether an onion has a thick skin or a thin one (!), but for the record all of our ten strong group really enjoyed your turn and spent half of last night regurgitating it to friends in the pub. So keep on keeping on, and if you ever make it down to darkest Worcestershire, we'll be there!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 15, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
Apprentice Bar-Steward


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 15, 2018, 09:22:50 AM

Apprentice Bar-Steward


Not sure about his sartorial elegance but love the look of that bass!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 15, 2018, 09:46:01 AM


Apprentice Bar-Steward


Not sure about his sartorial elegance but love the look of that bass!
And the sound of it!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Malcolm on August 15, 2018, 09:53:22 AM


Apprentice Bar-Steward


Not sure about his sartorial elegance but love the look of that bass!


There is a load of interesting stuff about that bass on Maart's website. And enough instruments there to make anyone drool  :)


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on August 15, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
I loved them!  ;D

Laughed like a drain, the Sons' enjoyment was infectious and I caught it. Can't wait to see them again - would happily travel to do it too! Crowd boating at the end was inspired and wonderful. I wondered why there were folk around wearing brightly coloured knitted tank tops! I don't think they'll ever come back in fashion, but since when has a crowd of folkies been fashionable? Lovely to see Maart joining in with a huge smile on his face too.

Marmite maybe (I love Marmite) - but the world could do with more of their good-humoured happiness.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: DarrenWilliams on August 15, 2018, 10:19:22 AM
I thought I'd sample a few songs and then pop to see Leatherat at the Brasenose but I ended up staying til the end of their set. Loved the Ornithology song.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Field 7 is Heaven (Trev) on August 15, 2018, 11:20:09 AM
If we had a best of Festival poll they would get my top marks.

The heavy rain in the driest of summers ,Metal Matty with Marrt , and the Cockwomble song will be the lasting memories of Cropredy 2018 for me.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 15, 2018, 11:50:34 AM
Does anyone have a set list?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on August 15, 2018, 12:52:55 PM
1. Massage In A Brothel
2. Nando's
3. Walking In Manpiss
4. She's From Dodworth
5. Since You've Been Ron
6. How Deep Is Your Glove?
7. The Ornithologist Waltz
8. The Zipper
9. Paint 'em Back
10. The Lady In Greggs
11. The Cockwombling Song
12. The Devil Went Darn To Barnsley
13. Jump Ararnd


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 15, 2018, 03:03:32 PM

1. Massage In A Brothel
2. Nando's
3. Walking In Manpiss
4. She's From Dodworth
5. Since You've Been Ron
6. How Deep Is Your Glove?
7. The Ornithologist Waltz
8. The Zipper
9. Paint 'em Back
10. The Lady In Greggs
11. The Cockwombling Song
12. The Devil Went Darn To Barnsley
13. Jump Ararnd
Class!  :D  thanks


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: kevin on August 15, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
Mr Doonican,

Your set inspired Me into altering songs content.


My first attempt, and before ever reading about Mr Fish.

I.m sitting in the  rail station bog.
Got a packet full of laxitives.
On a tour of toilet blocks.
And every stop is neatly planned, to coincide with sewerage works.

Chorus.....

I.m so bound up, I really am,

Crowd...
He so bound up, He really is.

And each toilet looks the same to Me, the bog paper and graffiti ,

Bound up with too many boiled eggs.


Must stop or they may ban Me.
Lines including hemeroides exist , but not really fair to Mr fish.

Kevin



I,m all bound up, I really am.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Penguin (Dunc) on August 15, 2018, 03:54:11 PM
I wasn't at Cropredy but heard Massage In A Brothel on the BBC Oxford feed and immediately started to look if the The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican were playing locally to me......I need to see these guys live!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on August 15, 2018, 11:10:24 PM
All tour dates are at www.thebarstewardsons.com/tour - our Xmas Lancashire show in Preston is almost sold out (just 10 tickets left as I type)
Feel free to join us.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Pugwash on August 16, 2018, 01:42:06 PM
Have downloaded Schools Art. It’s live and has most of the Crop set. Enjoying hugely.

She’s from Dodworth is driving me mad, as although I remember the original well, I can’t remember its name or who did it. Could some kind person ...


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: spooley (Simon) on August 16, 2018, 01:51:31 PM

She’s from Dodworth ... Could some kind person ...


Kraftwerk's The Model ?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on August 16, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Kraftwerk - The Model

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Model

(I cant' link to the video on my phone).


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Pugwash on August 16, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
Yes of course was driving me nuts. Thanks both.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2018, 11:07:38 PM
I didn't know what to expect with this group. To be a novelty act you have to be extremely talented, or otherwise it just sounds lame.

I was blown away. They are extremely talented, and their rewrites were hilarious, a bit like the Barron Knights, but ruder. Sadly, the sound was not good in the first couple of songs, and I missed some words, but after that it improved. Spent the last song on my feet. JUMP, JUMP, JUMP, and I have a dodgy back.

The devil goes down to Georgia has always been one of my favourite songs, but they made it their own and took it to Barnsley. Missed a few words, so I am going to have to check out YouTube.

The lady in front of us was so impressed she bought a Lady in Greggs T-shirt.

Do you gig down south? If so, I am going to see you.

Paul


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 23, 2018, 07:25:09 AM
T’Sons are doing a crowd fund for a CD/DVD of their Cropredy set!!

It can be purchased here:

https://www.thebarstewardsons.com/copy-of-dvds-1


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: JohnP69 on August 23, 2018, 08:15:39 PM

Thanks for the heads up Bridget!

Duly ordered!!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Andy on August 24, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
I see Scott has taken to describing TalkAWhile as GrumpAWhile on Facebook, presumably because of the mixed impact the act had on the people here. Thing is, Scott, TAW is not like FaceBook where people seek you out because they like you, the comments here are generated by people who were at Cropredy, from a wide range of musical backgrounds. It's inevitable that some will not be overwhelmed by BSoVD, whilst others will have been.

It's hardly fair on those who have praised BSoVD here to dub TAW "GrumpAWhile" on the basis that some people didn't do so.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on August 24, 2018, 06:47:35 PM

I see Scott has taken to describing TalkAWhile as GrumpAWhile on Facebook, presumably because of the mixed impact the act had on the people here. Thing is, Scott, TAW is not like FaceBook where people seek you out because they like you, the comments here are generated by people who were at Cropredy, from a wide range of musical backgrounds. It's inevitable that some will not be overwhelmed by BSoVD, whilst others will have been.

It's hardly fair on those who have praised BSoVD here to dub TAW "GrumpAWhile" on the basis that some people didn't do so.



I saw that too... and wondered why he should have decided to refer to us in that way.

I loved the band's set, but now am having second thoughts about seeing them locally...


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 26, 2018, 08:58:08 AM


I see Scott has taken to describing TalkAWhile as GrumpAWhile on Facebook, presumably because of the mixed impact the act had on the people here. Thing is, Scott, TAW is not like FaceBook where people seek you out because they like you, the comments here are generated by people who were at Cropredy, from a wide range of musical backgrounds. It's inevitable that some will not be overwhelmed by BSoVD, whilst others will have been.

It's hardly fair on those who have praised BSoVD here to dub TAW "GrumpAWhile" on the basis that some people didn't do so.



I saw that too... and wondered why he should have decided to refer to us in that way.

I loved the band's set, but now am having second thoughts about seeing them locally...


Guess I’m a GrumpAWhile then. Liked the odd song (The Zipper made me smile/wince!) but overall it was puerile rubbish. Yes the musicianship was good but all they were doing was to squeeze so-called funny lyrics into existing tunes and, for me, it largely didn’t work. I also only like some comedians and not every comedian. Not every comedy act is funny to everyone but I don’t think I’m that much of a grump


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: davidmjs on August 26, 2018, 09:15:24 AM
There's a long folk-club tradition of comedy-folk.  I almost universally loathed all of it.  I'm also no fan of the current "cover-version in another musical style" genre (although I make an exception for that outstanding cover of Thunderstruck by Steve'n'seagulls!).  From what I hear and see, this lot appear to be a mixture of the two?  If I'd seen them I'm fairly sure I'd have been a Grumpawhile too.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: hendo (Dave) on August 26, 2018, 10:31:32 AM

I see Scott has taken to describing TalkAWhile as GrumpAWhile on Facebook, presumably because of the mixed impact the act had on the people here. Thing is, Scott, TAW is not like FaceBook where people seek you out because they like you, the comments here are generated by people who were at Cropredy, from a wide range of musical backgrounds. It's inevitable that some will not be overwhelmed by BSoVD, whilst others will have been.

It's hardly fair on those who have praised BSoVD here to dub TAW "GrumpAWhile" on the basis that some people didn't do so.


Man from a band that does parodies does a parody of the title of an online discussion forum!
There's a shock.  :o
......oh and there is a certain amount of grumpiness in these revered annals! ;D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on August 26, 2018, 12:09:46 PM
TAW; Certainly weren’t my cup of tea! They came across as a crude cabaret act trying to shoehornn dodgy lyrics into classic tunes. Yes I know that’s their act but did nothing for me.
BSoVD; Grumpawhile!
TAW; Hey! You can’t say that about us!!

 [;-)  ;D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 26, 2018, 12:10:51 PM
Oh come on you lot - some of you CAN be pretty grumpy at times. Don't go all huffy and live up to the name!!! He's made up a nickname for us - like I'm called Bridgwit - there's no harm done!  :)

I'm pretty sure t'Sons are aware that some people will love them, some will hate them and the rest are in between. And to be honest, if I'd just performed up on the stage at Cropredy to that amazing reaction, then came onto this board to see my band being called "puerile rubbish" (selected at random and I know it was posted after the Grumpawhile revelations)  I'd feel a bit sore about it too. He's only human, despite being the son of Val..... ;)

LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE GRUMPY!  >:(


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 26, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
I’ve never had a go about other people loving this band. I even liked the odd song (The Zipper). All I’ve said is that they weren’t’t my cup of tea. It’s all just opinions and I just hope people don’t think I’m wrong for not liking all their work...each to their own


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 26, 2018, 01:34:13 PM

I’ve never had a go about other people loving this band. I even liked the odd song (The Zipper). All I’ve said is that they weren’t’t my cup of tea. It’s all just opinions and I just hope people don’t think I’m wrong for not liking all their work...each to their own
Gosh no, opinions on music can't be wrong. They're personal.

My comment was merely to point out that Grumpawhile is quite an apt and fairly humorous moniker for this board sometimes! My husband calls it other names that I won't print here, due to the time I spend on it  ;D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: David W on August 26, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
I don't think it is good form when artistes belittle or attack those who criticise them. I don't think any comments here regarding the Sons have been terrible, some liked them others didn't simple as. Going elsewhere and making what sounds like a snide comment isn't really necessary is it?

DW


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on August 26, 2018, 07:47:45 PM
I too am a bit surprised and disappointed.  They were my main surprise like of the festival and i was impressed by the obvious musicianship and professionalism belying their overall anarchic silliness. I was even more impressed when Scott came on here to.personally engage with us. Lovely chap, nice and engaging, and yes I'd certainly have a pint with him.

Then it turns out that the onion skin he talked about having seems to be actually as thin as an onion skin, rather than the  rhinoceros variety required for the game he's in. No big deal really, but for me it brought  him down in my estimation as my mind conjured up similarities with another generally could be well-liked performer whose politics are probably a world apart from those of the Doonicans, but whose incredibly thin skin (as thin as the tissues that get waved when he's around) similarly leads to snide outbursts that endear him to no one. I hope you're better than that, Scott - and I'd still love a pint with you 🙂


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bingers (Chris) on August 26, 2018, 08:17:22 PM


I’ve never had a go about other people loving this band. I even liked the odd song (The Zipper). All I’ve said is that they weren’t’t my cup of tea. It’s all just opinions and I just hope people don’t think I’m wrong for not liking all their work...each to their own
Gosh no, opinions on music can't be wrong. They're personal.

My comment was merely to point out that Grumpawhile is quite an apt and fairly humorous moniker for this board sometimes! My husband calls it other names that I won't print here, due to the time I spend on it  ;D


No worries, Bridget ;D mind you, I think Mr S Doonican is being rather churlish


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on August 26, 2018, 09:25:03 PM

I don't think it is good form when artistes belittle or attack those who criticise them.
DW


So, essentially, we can, bit they can’t?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: jude on August 26, 2018, 09:50:44 PM
I do believe that artists are suppose to have very thick skins and ignore critical reviews

But actually it's very hard to do that, all criticism is taken quite seriously and personally, so it's not surprising they react sometimes (although one is supposed to be above all that!)

Just my opinion as an artist  ;D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Andy on August 26, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
Fair enough, my point was really that a wide range of opinions were expressed on TAW about their performance and to tar everyone with the same brush wasn't particularly fair.

Anyhow, I'll shut up on this subject for now.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: YaBB Master (Colin) on August 26, 2018, 10:56:23 PM
That is the thing with TAW, it's not a group that people have joined because they support a particular artist, it's a lot more general. So you will get people with differing opinions, likes and dislikes. I know it doesn't make easy reading for some performers, but just take the crunchy with the smooth.

Fairport tend to get told what we don't like and they try to avoid TAW, but they keep winning the top turn vote at Cropredy.

The Bar-Stewards. The sound mix was awful, we couldn't hear the lyrics. However look at the vote and that was a top stunt.
 


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on August 26, 2018, 11:15:52 PM

That is the thing with TAW, it's not a group that people have joined because they support a particular artist, it's a lot more general. So you will get people with differing opinions, likes and dislikes. I know it doesn't make easy reading for some performers, but just take the crunchy with the smooth


A lot of people hold dear and revere TAW. Some don’t. I know that doesn’t make easy reading, but perhaps we should just take the crunchy with the smooth..?


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: blagden on August 26, 2018, 11:22:12 PM
I've met Scott and he lives near me and he's not a man who would offend anyone  ... full stop.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on August 27, 2018, 03:03:17 AM


LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE GRUMPY!  >:(



Oh, the thoughts that just went through my mind just then!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Ancient Muse (Andy) on August 27, 2018, 03:15:08 AM
Apologies for double-posting, but it's also possible that Mr Doonican has read other reviews and opinions on here unconnected with their own turn at Cropredy. He may also have spoken to Richard Digance or Maart, both of whom have felt the grumpy side of TAW from time to time. I have a thick hide, when you grow up with a name like Matt you do tend to need one, but I'd be hurt at some of the comments that appear. Remember - it's nice to be nice, and you can express opinions without resorting to rudeness.  


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: hendo (Dave) on August 27, 2018, 01:57:31 PM
I didn't see Grumpawhile as a criticism.....just humour.
If you don't want to see negative things about you don't read social media. There will always be one person who didn't like your gig and they will be the ones who post .......and I have no probs with anyone expressing a personal opinion as long as we remember that's what it is.
At a personal level I am just working on my Level 3 Curmudgeon Badge.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: GubGub (Al) on August 27, 2018, 03:18:48 PM
I used to know the real and legitimate daughter of Val Doonican a little bit many years ago. I can't help wondering what she would make of all this.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: davidmjs on August 27, 2018, 04:17:05 PM


That is the thing with TAW, it's not a group that people have joined because they support a particular artist, it's a lot more general. So you will get people with differing opinions, likes and dislikes. I know it doesn't make easy reading for some performers, but just take the crunchy with the smooth


A lot of people hold dear and revere TAW. Some don’t. I know that doesn’t make easy reading, but perhaps we should just take the crunchy with the smooth..?


Do point them out one day  ;D

If I was to criticise TAW (which I sometimes do), it's that people don't like criticism of what they like, however constructive and/or jokey it is.  This is just a sign of the times...we reinforce our opinions with those that agree with it, and we shout down everything else.  It's the 2018 way...


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: vince42 on August 27, 2018, 07:53:46 PM
I try to remain positive.  If I dislike something I prefer to stay quiet and not promote it - if others like it then they can do that.  If I spent all my time trying to do down every artist who sang or played something I didn't like I'd never have time to drink beer ;D

Could we have a vote to change the forum name to Grumpawhile? It is strangely attractive.


 


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on August 27, 2018, 08:21:46 PM

I try to remain positive.  If I dislike something I prefer to stay quiet and not promote it - if others like it then they can do that.  If I spent all my time trying to do down every artist who sang or played something I didn't like I'd never have time to drink beer ;D
Good strategy!


Could we have a vote to change the forum name to Grumpawhile? It is strangely attractive.  
It's certainly a good name for a forum!


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: David W on August 27, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
As far as reviews of the Sons set is concerned I suggest here there are two negative, one OK as a novelty, one concerned by possible 'isms, and all the others positive. Let's hope they never suffer a series of truly negative criticism or we all may be overwhelmed by toys bring thrown out of prams.

DW


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: delfini (Diane) on August 28, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
I didn’t really get them, but I’ve a very strange sense of humour.  ::) :-\.
I did laugh out loud at ‘Paint it back’ as the eyebrow trend bemuses me ::)
Maybe it would have been better if I’d listened to the words/ been in a place where I could hear them, but I struggle with obvious puns/farce etc. Just my opinion, so not fact.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on September 03, 2018, 03:46:41 PM
Howdy TalkaWhilers...

I've only just popped back in to see how everybody was doing, and then realise that I have (yet again) upset some people.
Okay

1. "Grumpawhile" was used in a humorous way... I really don't think you are all Level 3 Curmudgeons. Some of you are lovely.
2. If you are still offended... you are still allowed to be, but remember offence is only ever TAKEN, never GIVEN
3. I am a nice guy, so if you do want that pint, I am happy to join you for one.
4. For the person who asked about what Val's daughter would make of this... here's a little true story from my book 'Songs In The Key of Tarn'...

"I started to write the 2nd Edition of Songs In The Key Of Tarn, in late June 2017. During the time that I was writing, I would regularly start the day by checking Facebook, and looking back at the ‘On This Day’ section, which would recall the different statuses that I had posted on that given day, in years gone by. It was a useful way to clarify dates and remind me of events, which we worthy of adding to the original collection of anecdotes.

On the 3rd July, I was reminded of my 2015 status, that was posted on that sad day. It had been announced on the news, that morning, that Val Doonican had passed away two days previously. I had, throughout the day, been inundated with messages from many of my Facebook friends, and some from people that weren’t too.

I posted at the end of the day, in reflection…

“It’s been a weird old emotional day. There’s a man whose name has been on my lips, nearly every da,y for over 9 years, whose family deserve my most heartfelt condolences. To them, I give my ultimate respect and deepest sympathies, where it is due.

Today’s news was horrible to stomach… more so, as message after message hit my Facebook page and it made me feel guilty for those that hadn’t seen the irony of our band’s personas. I shed a tear or two because it truly felt like a member of the band had passed. I still feel numb with disbelief now.

Sadly, there were also a few people who thought that our band was a malicious thing… so for them, I wish to point out, that Val Doonican was held in my highest regard, as one of the greatest entertainers of his generation.

He was the very best in his field – a truly special entertainer. He was Mr Saturday Night, long before Ant & Dec were a glint in their fathers’ eyes. He was also an outstanding musician, regarded highly by his peers.

When we released our first ever 12” vinyl LP, I contacted his former-agent, to be able to post a copy of our record to Val, for approval. It was one of the proudest achievements of my life, to hopefully be posting our very first 12” slab of vinyl, to the person who spawned our band’s image, name, and so much more. Our ‘local record for local people’ was shipped off to Buckinghamshire, along with a humble letter, hoping for acknowledgement from the great man, that he ‘got’ what we were doing.

I never got to meet Val, which I will always regret now, but also never got the reply that I had hoped for, that may have vindicated what we do. It makes no odds… you were a fine, shining star in the world of entertainment, Val, and I intend to keep your legacy of ‘entertaining’ people alive and well, wherever I can.

I raise a glass to you tonight, and every gig from here onwards.

God Bless you Michael Valentine Doonican… may you rest in peace, but gently.”
 
On the morning of 3rd July 2017, two years on, I re-shared that very post, in tribute to Val. About twenty minutes later, I received a Facebook notification, that Fiona Doonican (one of Val’s two daughters), had commented on it…

“Oh, we knew about you Scott! He wasn’t one for the internet, but we told him about you and he chuckled.  x”

She will probably never know how much that made, not only my day, but my whole career. Just knowing that Val knew about us in his lifetime, and that he got the joke, was something I will always be immensely proud of.  



Coincidentally, Fiona has made friends... she's currently working on an exhibition of her dad's artwork in Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire. She's dead nice, and I wouldn't have found that out if I hadn't been in this daft little band.

Peace and love peeps
Scott
A Level 4 Curmudgeon  ;)


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on September 03, 2018, 07:06:35 PM
What a great story! Don't worry about the naysayers Scott, from all the YouTube vids I've seen you go down a storm wherever you are. Admittedly if someone goes to a BSSofVD gig they're likely to be a fan, whereas in a festival setting many people will have come for other musicians, but even so.

I was at Cropredy and witnessed most of the people around me having a laugh and a good time and shouting "nice cock!" rather too loudly  :o and that's what it's all about. That, and the Okey-Cokey...


Bridgwit
A Level 1 Curmudgeon    {:-)


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on September 03, 2018, 07:18:24 PM
Nice one Scott
Stephen here
Can I come over to Barnsley and have a  night out with you and Kate Rusby?   :D


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Scott Doonican on September 05, 2018, 01:10:53 AM
Well, seeing as the entire Xmas Tour has sold out, I'm doing a rare free-entry solo NEW YEAR'S EVE HOOTENANNY show in Wombwell Barnsley (details to be updated shortly on our website) and everybody is welcome.
If you wanna join me in my local boozer for a pint, a load of daft singalongs and silliness, then you are more than welcome to join the party. There is a Premier Inn within 0.7 miles walking distance, and the pub is run by the original Tango Man from the 90s adverts (he was also in Muppets Treasure Island too) who also runs his own brewery that do award winning real ale.


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: StephenB on September 05, 2018, 02:39:29 AM
is the walking distance before or after? ^-^


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: Bridgwit (Bridget) on September 05, 2018, 07:45:59 AM

Well, seeing as the entire Xmas Tour has sold out, I'm doing a rare free-entry solo NEW YEAR'S EVE HOOTENANNY show in Wombwell Barnsley (details to be updated shortly on our website) and everybody is welcome.
If you wanna join me in my local boozer for a pint, a load of daft singalongs and silliness, then you are more than welcome to join the party. There is a Premier Inn within 0.7 miles walking distance, and the pub is run by the original Tango Man from the 90s adverts (he was also in Muppets Treasure Island too) who also runs his own brewery that do award winning real ale.

The one from this advert?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVFnxHWnlc


Title: Re: The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican
Post by: bassline (Mike) on September 05, 2018, 08:02:27 AM

Howdy TalkaWhilers...

I've only just popped back in to see how everybody was doing, and then realise that I have (yet again) upset some people.
Okay

1. "Grumpawhile" was used in a humorous way... I really don't think you are all Level 3 Curmudgeons. Some of you are lovely.
2. If you are still offended... you are still allowed to be, but remember offence is only ever TAKEN, never GIVEN
3. I am a nice guy, so if you do want that pint, I am happy to join you for one.
4. For the person who asked about what Val's daughter would make of this... here's a little true story from my book 'Songs In The Key of Tarn'...

"I started to write the 2nd Edition of Songs In The Key Of Tarn, in late June 2017. During the time that I was writing, I would regularly start the day by checking Facebook, and looking back at the ‘On This Day’ section, which would recall the different statuses that I had posted on that given day, in years gone by. It was a useful way to clarify dates and remind me of events, which we worthy of adding to the original collection of anecdotes.

On the 3rd July, I was reminded of my 2015 status, that was posted on that sad day. It had been announced on the news, that morning, that Val Doonican had passed away two days previously. I had, throughout the day, been inundated with messages from many of my Facebook friends, and some from people that weren’t too.

I posted at the end of the day, in reflection…

“It’s been a weird old emotional day. There’s a man whose name has been on my lips, nearly every da,y for over 9 years, whose family deserve my most heartfelt condolences. To them, I give my ultimate respect and deepest sympathies, where it is due.

Today’s news was horrible to stomach… more so, as message after message hit my Facebook page and it made me feel guilty for those that hadn’t seen the irony of our band’s personas. I shed a tear or two because it truly felt like a member of the band had passed. I still feel numb with disbelief now.

Sadly, there were also a few people who thought that our band was a malicious thing… so for them, I wish to point out, that Val Doonican was held in my highest regard, as one of the greatest entertainers of his generation.

He was the very best in his field – a truly special entertainer. He was Mr Saturday Night, long before Ant & Dec were a glint in their fathers’ eyes. He was also an outstanding musician, regarded highly by his peers.

When we released our first ever 12” vinyl LP, I contacted his former-agent, to be able to post a copy of our record to Val, for approval. It was one of the proudest achievements of my life, to hopefully be posting our very first 12” slab of vinyl, to the person who spawned our band’s image, name, and so much more. Our ‘local record for local people’ was shipped off to Buckinghamshire, along with a humble letter, hoping for acknowledgement from the great man, that he ‘got’ what we were doing.

I never got to meet Val, which I will always regret now, but also never got the reply that I had hoped for, that may have vindicated what we do. It makes no odds… you were a fine, shining star in the world of entertainment, Val, and I intend to keep your legacy of ‘entertaining’ people alive and well, wherever I can.

I raise a glass to you tonight, and every gig from here onwards.

God Bless you Michael Valentine Doonican… may you rest in peace, but gently.”
 
On the morning of 3rd July 2017, two years on, I re-shared that very post, in tribute to Val. About twenty minutes later, I received a Facebook notification, that Fiona Doonican (one of Val’s two daughters), had commented on it…

“Oh, we knew about you Scott! He wasn’t one for the internet, but we told him about you and he chuckled.  x”

She will probably never know how much that made, not only my day, but my whole career. Just knowing that Val knew about us in his lifetime, and that he got the joke, was something I will always be immensely proud of.  



Coincidentally, Fiona has made friends... she's currently working on an exhibition of her dad's artwork in Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire. She's dead nice, and I wouldn't have found that out if I hadn't been in this daft little band.

Peace and love peeps
Scott
A Level 4 Curmudgeon  ;)


In a slightly altered universe, I reckon Val might have done a similar thing to Dean Friedman with his response to Half Man Half Biscuit's Barsteward Son Of Dean Friedman - i.e perform the song with them live and also compose a response song. Ladies and gentleman, for one night only, Val Doonican and his Barsteward Sons perform his greatest hits ! Some Of My Best Friends Are Scones, Paddy McGinty's Scr....er Coat, definitely Coat, and many more !
May the Dooniclan live long and prosper.