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Title: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Anotherfolky (Graham) on January 05, 2007, 12:28:24 PM
Apologies if people are already aware of this but just received the following info from the Beeb

"FOLK HIBERNIA

BBC Four, 19 January 9pm

Over the past 20 years the world has fallen in love with Irish music. More than anything else, the nation's music grants Ireland a unique place on the world stage.

But it wasn't always thus. Sixty years ago it was virtually unheard abroad and largely unloved at home. The Irish folk revival is the story of Ireland's rocky rise from an impoverished post-colonial upstart to a modern European power. A story of passion, politics, religion and identity, this film explores how Irish music has given the world a sense of Ireland and Ireland a sense of itself.

With a veritable treasure trove of archive of 60 years of music and cultural change in Ireland and contributors including Christy Moore, Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains, Ronnie Drew of The Dubliners, Liam Clancy of The Clancy Brothers, Shane MacGowan of The Pogues, Johnny Moynihan of Sweeney's Men, and many more, all adding up to a who's who guide to Irish folk music, Mike Connolly's film is an interpretative guide to Irish folk music and its evolving place in Irish culture and the world.

Mike Connolly produced, directed and voiced the BBCFOUR series, 'Folk Britannia', and this 90 minute film offers a similar overview of the Irish tradition."


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: mikec on January 05, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
thanks anotherfolky, looks good. My only gripe could be that Folk Britannia got four (or was it 3?) 1 hour programmes and this is a single 90 minute one. Still its a lot better than nothing. Have to remember to set the recorder for that.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Jim on January 05, 2007, 01:02:26 PM
could be a goodie. or was i thinking of tim brooke taylor
 anyhoo im looking forward to this one


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 05, 2007, 01:43:57 PM
This is a 'must watch'.. please remind us on the day..  I'd hate to miss it!


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: AnnieD on January 05, 2007, 03:18:31 PM
It's a Friday night. Always check the BBC4 listings on a Friday, that's when they show most of the music stuff.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Chris on January 05, 2007, 06:29:45 PM
Except when it's the Old Grey Whistle test....


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 15, 2007, 04:16:47 PM
Where I come from "Folk Hibernia" is a misheard term of football abuse usually heard amongst the maroon half of Edinburgh..............


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: David W on January 15, 2007, 04:27:48 PM

thanks anotherfolky, looks good. My only gripe could be that Folk Britannia got four (or was it 3?) 1 hour programmes and this is a single 90 minute one. Still its a lot better than nothing. Have to remember to set the recorder for that.


Although a large proportion of Folk Britannia was about American folk music, and music from various parts of the British Isles, it certainly wasn't a Folk Albion show.

Jackdaw


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 15, 2007, 07:23:33 PM


thanks anotherfolky, looks good. My only gripe could be that Folk Britannia got four (or was it 3?) 1 hour programmes and this is a single 90 minute one. Still its a lot better than nothing. Have to remember to set the recorder for that.


Although a large proportion of Folk Britannia was about American folk music, and music from various parts of the British Isles, it certainly wasn't a Folk Albion show.

Jackdaw


True, but Folk Albion sounds like a very iffy Sunday League team!!

Seriously, should we start to lobby for a Folk Caledonia programme too?


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: mikec on January 16, 2007, 12:40:06 AM



thanks anotherfolky, looks good. My only gripe could be that Folk Britannia got four (or was it 3?) 1 hour programmes and this is a single 90 minute one. Still its a lot better than nothing. Have to remember to set the recorder for that.


Although a large proportion of Folk Britannia was about American folk music, and music from various parts of the British Isles, it certainly wasn't a Folk Albion show.

Jackdaw


True, but Folk Albion sounds like a very iffy Sunday League team!!

Seriously, should we start to lobby for a Folk Caledonia programme too?


Good idea as long as we don't get too many repeats of the White Heather Club  :D


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 16, 2007, 05:19:58 PM
You can never have too many repeats of the White Heather Club.

After me:  "Step we gaily, on we go, heel for heel........."


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on January 16, 2007, 05:57:25 PM
Off to Marie's wedding? ::)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Sandra on January 16, 2007, 06:04:46 PM
Now I always thought it was 'All for Marie's wedding'. Wonder which is right (If either - cf misheard lyrics. It s probably "Of formaldehyde's wielding' or something like that ;D)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 16, 2007, 06:08:09 PM
I would like a DVD of this, Andy!  ;D


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 16, 2007, 06:10:21 PM

Off to Marie's wedding? ::)

That's Mairi's wedding - gaelic.  Let's have none of this effete semi-French nonsense please.  And you a fellow-Celt too, Shirl! Tut tut.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on January 16, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
Blimeyheck, I thought you would be impressed that I recognised the song - and then you go and criticise me for not knowing the blimmin' spelling! Grrrrrr! >:( ;)

Anyway, here in Welsh Wales it would have been Mair's Wedding. (where is the sticking out your tongue smiley?) So there ::)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 16, 2007, 06:26:01 PM

Blimeyheck, I thought you would be impressed that I recognised the song - and then you go and criticise me for not knowing the blimmin' spelling! Grrrrrr! >:( ;)

Anyway, here in Welsh Wales it would have been Mair's Wedding. (where is the sticking out your tongue smiley?) So there ::)


Fair enough.  I doff my Glengarry, ma'am.

We had to sing it every week at primary school so it's indelibly etched on my brain.



Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Cocker Freeman on January 16, 2007, 06:51:40 PM
John Martyn's version is the best!  ;D


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 16, 2007, 06:54:27 PM
Billy Connolly's version is definitive - especially if you had to learn it at the age of six


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: AdrianW on January 17, 2007, 03:27:49 AM
Nowaday's, when I hear the tune I think of Richard Thompson's words - Madonna's Wedding, lyrics at http://www.richardthompson-music.com/song_o_matic.asp?id=513

Doom? Gloom? Hilarity! I don't think he got sued.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Rory. on January 17, 2007, 08:07:16 AM

That's Mairi's wedding - gaelic. Let's have none of this effete semi-French nonsense please. And you a fellow-Celt too, Shirl! Tut tut.


All together now, after three, a-one-two-three

Miri Bhn

     'S i mo ghaol-sa Miri Bhn
      Miri bhidheach sgeul mo dhain
      Gaol mo chridh'-sa Miri Bhn
      'S tha mi 'dol 'ga psadh
 
1.  Thuit mi ann an gaol an raoir
    Bha mo chridhe shuas air beinn
    Miri Bhn ri m' thaobh a' seinn
    Tha mi 'dol 'ga psadh
 
2.  'S ann aig cilidh aig a' Mhd
    Thachair mise ris an igh'
    'S ise choisinn am Bonn Oir
    'S tha mi dol 'ga psadh
 
3.  Bi mo ghaol do Mhiri Bhn
    Dleas, drachail gu brth
    Seinnidh sinn d'a chil' ar grdh
    'S tha mi dol 'ga psadh



Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: davidmjs on January 17, 2007, 09:32:48 AM


That's Mairi's wedding - gaelic. Let's have none of this effete semi-French nonsense please. And you a fellow-Celt too, Shirl! Tut tut.


All together now, after three, a-one-two-three

Miri Bhn

  'S i mo ghaol-sa Miri Bhn
  Miri bhidheach sgeul mo dhain
  Gaol mo chridh'-sa Miri Bhn
  'S tha mi 'dol 'ga psadh
 
1. Thuit mi ann an gaol an raoir
  Bha mo chridhe shuas air beinn
  Miri Bhn ri m' thaobh a' seinn
  Tha mi 'dol 'ga psadh
 
2. 'S ann aig cilidh aig a' Mhd
  Thachair mise ris an igh'
  'S ise choisinn am Bonn Oir
  'S tha mi dol 'ga psadh
 
3. Bi mo ghaol do Mhiri Bhn
  Dleas, drachail gu brth
  Seinnidh sinn d'a chil' ar grdh
  'S tha mi dol 'ga psadh




I was doing fine until Maggie made an appearance in Verse 2....  ;)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Rory. on January 19, 2007, 07:52:20 PM
It's tonight, :D :D :D

and to get you in the mood here's some bollox who thought he could sing

Nah , no **** jokes, for me he is the best singer ever, the one and only Luke Kelly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqlnVbdLkos



Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: gower flower (Shirl) on January 19, 2007, 09:53:23 PM

Nowaday's, when I hear the tune I think of Richard Thompson's words - Madonna's Wedding, lyrics at http://www.richardthompson-music.com/song_o_matic.asp?id=513

Doom? Gloom? Hilarity! I don't think he got sued.


Classic Adrian. Thanks for posting this, I'd never heard of it 8)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Waterloo Wonderer on January 19, 2007, 10:26:37 PM
Just home from work and am going to watch Folk Hib with a couple of bottles of beer.

I hope its worth it as I'm up at 0630!


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 19, 2007, 10:37:59 PM
Bugger... missed it... wonder if it'll be repeated..??


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: peterwales on January 19, 2007, 10:45:56 PM
It's on again at 12.20 tonight (or rather tomorrow am) if you can stay awake till then....indeed, if you are atill awake now!


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Marky on January 19, 2007, 11:09:40 PM
Right... NOW I understand why they made a fuss about Planxty   :)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 19, 2007, 11:20:01 PM
Way past my bedtime sadly...  :'(


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Jim on January 19, 2007, 11:22:54 PM
brilliant and it barely scratched the suface


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 20, 2007, 01:24:05 PM

brilliant and it barely scratched the suface


I agree - the social context aspect was fascinating.  Devalera wanted his image of Irish music to set the tone for an independent Irish culture, but once the Dubliners, and the Chieftains got going, the genie was out of the bottle.  FWIW infinitely better in 90 mins than Folk Britannia's four hours.

So where's Folk Caledonia then?


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: peterwales on January 20, 2007, 04:53:08 PM
I particularly liked the grainy images of writers such as Brendan Behan p---ed out of their brains, literally (literary?) falling around the streets of Dublin. Interesting stuff about Christy Moore, Planxty, Moving Hearts etc. I did not know about the full extent of Anne Briggs's contribution to that scene. But did anybody notice the interviews with her were filmed in the exact same spot where she did the interviews for Folk Brittania? (looks like somewhere I know in the Lake District, although I believe she lives in the Scottish Islands). It would appear like parts of the same interview were edited for two separate programmes. Anyway, no matter, that's just "anorak" observations. I also really enjoyed the programme- but why so late, even it is a weekend night?


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 20, 2007, 05:14:50 PM
Err.. In a very quiet voice...

I don't suppose anyone recorded it did they..please??


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: AdrianW on January 20, 2007, 09:30:21 PM
It is on BBC4 again 4 hours from now at 01:35 on Sunday morning.

I intend to record it (on a TiVo). I currently have no means of copying it to anything else. I could have a special showing in the small hours of March 18th.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Amethyst (Jenny) on January 21, 2007, 09:10:37 AM
I will IM you Adrian.....


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Stationary M25 Traveller on January 21, 2007, 10:20:14 AM
It was a great look back in time.

Some lovely footage there.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 21, 2007, 12:10:43 PM

IIt would appear like parts of the same interview were edited for two separate programmes.


Come, come. The BBC wouldn't dream of doing anything like that. No, the producer took Annie to the same beach, asked her to wear exactly the same clothes, and arranged for the weather to be precisely the same as it was when the interviewed her for Folk Britannia. They even managed to stop her from growing a year older.  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Jim on January 21, 2007, 12:33:26 PM
no one has yet metioned the full horror of the irish folkies hair in the 70's
step forward Christy Moore and Paddy Moloney and Liam og O'flynn for special mentions


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Waterloo Wonderer on January 21, 2007, 05:55:07 PM
Jim

Do you wish to include facial hair in this wispy and wispy statement; there was some seriuos beards and some that it was difficult to take seriously!

WW


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Jim on January 21, 2007, 05:56:32 PM
it was a tonsorial horror show


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 22, 2007, 11:11:28 AM
So was the whole decade. I've got gig photos back in the 70s when I was playing in a McFairport clone and we've enough hair - and seriously bad hair at that - to stuff all the cushions in John Lewis.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: davidmjs on January 22, 2007, 11:22:35 AM

So was the whole decade. I've got gig photos back in the 70s when I was playing in a McFairport clone and we've enough hair - and seriously bad hair at that - to stuff all the cushions in John Lewis.


We demand proof  :)


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 22, 2007, 12:21:10 PM
OK then - but they're definitely rated 18.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Chris on January 22, 2007, 09:40:27 PM

So where's Folk Caledonia then?


Another year to wait, I reckon. Next up in the Britannia series? Check this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/01_january/17/bbcfour.shtml) out.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Rory. on January 22, 2007, 09:54:54 PM


So where's Folk Caledonia then?


Another year to wait, I reckon. Next up in the Britannia series? Check this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/01_january/17/bbcfour.shtml) out.


Classic Britannia? mmmm what is radio three for again?

Soul Britannia? - great Trevor Nelson gives us the same interviews and quotes and anecdotes as last year, don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of JazzieB, but not another programme going over the same old ground surely?


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Chris on January 23, 2007, 01:33:48 PM

Classic Britannia? mmmm what is radio three for again?


But this is on TV!!


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Rory. on January 23, 2007, 02:03:49 PM


Classic Britannia? mmmm what is radio three for again?


But this is on TV!!


Fair enough, but with 24 hour coverage on radio three, the Proms and various other TV progs during the year....... oh sod my excuses, I just want more folk/trad stuff on telly, that's all.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: PLW (Peter) on January 24, 2007, 09:27:49 AM



Classic Britannia? mmmm what is radio three for again?


But this is on TV!!


Fair enough, but with 24 hour coverage on radio three, the Proms and various other TV progs during the year....... oh sod my excuses, I just want more folk/trad stuff on telly, that's all.


Radio 3 is also for playing some of the best in trad/roots/experimental acoustic call it what you like. Late Junction - the best music programme on radio bar none.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: davidmjs on January 24, 2007, 09:48:27 AM




Classic Britannia? mmmm what is radio three for again?


But this is on TV!!


Fair enough, but with 24 hour coverage on radio three, the Proms and various other TV progs during the year....... oh sod my excuses, I just want more folk/trad stuff on telly, that's all.


Radio 3 is also for playing some of the best in trad/roots/experimental acoustic call it what you like. Late Junction - the best music programme on radio bar none.


Which is why they are ending it.  Tragedy.  >:(


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Chris on January 24, 2007, 01:35:34 PM


Radio 3 is also for playing some of the best in trad/roots/experimental acoustic call it what you like. Late Junction - the best music programme on radio bar none.


Which is why they are ending it.  Tragedy.  >:(


Are they? I missed that annoucement? When? Is there a weblink?


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: davidmjs on January 24, 2007, 01:47:09 PM



Radio 3 is also for playing some of the best in trad/roots/experimental acoustic call it what you like. Late Junction - the best music programme on radio bar none.


Which is why they are ending it. Tragedy. >:(


Are they? I missed that annoucement? When? Is there a weblink?


Ummm - had a look, can't find anything, but remember lots of letters in the Broadsheets when changes were announced to Radio 3 programming a few months back - October I think..  Which could well mean I imagined the whole thing of course.  If so, I'll be delighted...one of the best things on the radio!



Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: jude on January 24, 2007, 02:56:12 PM
I thought they just moved it to later in the night, rather than ending it. But I could be wrong..


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: david stevenson on January 24, 2007, 04:16:36 PM

I thought they just moved it to later in the night, rather than ending it. But I could be wrong..


....so, Late Late Junction then?

It would be awful to lose it - quite the most consistently stimulating radio prog on any station.  And the Blessed Verity does so much to advance the cause of acoustic music, we can't afford for her to lose that platform either.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: prestonspal on February 05, 2007, 10:49:03 PM
Did anyone manage to get a recording of Folk Hibernia on tape or dvd? I only caught the last half of the last repeat. :'(


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: AdrianW on February 05, 2007, 11:52:37 PM
Good news, yes I did record Folk Hibernia.
Bad news: on a TiVo, and I currently have no way of transcribing it.
Maybe it will come round again.


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Hester on February 06, 2007, 03:19:24 PM


Off to Marie's wedding? ::)

That's Mairi's wedding - gaelic. Let's have none of this effete semi-French nonsense please. And you a fellow-Celt too, Shirl! Tut tut.


Ah, "Mairi's Wedding" is one of the solo songs that I'm going to do in my singing class this fall.  The piano accompaniment looks terrifying (not that I actually read music).  I hope I can manage to hold the tune & tempo through all that noodling behind me! (Singing to accompaniment is a huge challenge for me, neophyte that I am.  I usually look for a piano line that exactly doubles the vocal melody, so I have a crutch to lean on.)

But, back on topic: Are these BBC 4 programmes, Folk Britannia and Folk Hibernia available on DVD for those of us across the pond?  I'd be interested to see them, to further my "remedial folk" education.

Hmmm.... Johnny Moynihan ... one of Anne Brigg's former lovers!  I actually bought a Sweeney's Men compilation CD on the strength of that connection.  Quite good, but I think the Pogues comparisons are a bit of a stretch, musically.

Cheers, Hester


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: Tasha on February 07, 2007, 01:07:38 PM
BBC have said  they have no plans to release the series on DVD at the moment :'(


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: prestonspal on February 07, 2007, 02:16:23 PM
Thanks for the replies everybody. I contacted BBC Four; not much help there, I'm afraid. I suppose it's a case of keeping an eye on the schedules, Regards, SW


Title: Re: Folk Hibernia
Post by: prestonspal on March 02, 2007, 09:52:40 PM
Good News!!!!!!!!!!!! Folk Hibernia is being shown again on BBC4 on 16th March. The programme is preceded by something titled "Folk Hibernia at the BBC" This starts at 22:30 until 23:30. then "Folk Hibernia " follows straight away for 90 minutes.