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A 2 CD deluxe edition of "Rising for the moon" has been announced by Universal. Release date: August 26.

That cash cow is still providing plenty enough milk!

Let me guess - yet another 1974/5 soundboard for disc 2.

Jules

Where was the announcement made? I'd like to learn more... Though I'm sure Jules is probably right about the bonus disc  ;)

If they're going to do another Fairport "deluxe", please may it be Full House.  I really want to hear all those Goldstar Studio recordings.

Jules

I think I'm classically conditioned to that phrase, Jules. 'Goldstar Studio recordings' make me do whatever the aural equivalent to salivating is.

This is what I have been told:

OVERVIEW

 

Fairport Convention’s 1975 classic album, Rising For The Moon ( their last with Sandy Denny ) has been re-mastered and expanded with home demos, alternates and a Previously Unreleased live recording of “White Dress” from a television performance at LWT from 9th August 1975  plus a second disc containing virtually their entire set recorded live at the LA Troubadour in 1974

 

Disc One features the original album re-mastered plus the audio from LWT performance of “White Dress” plus Demo versions of “What Is True ?” and “After Halloween” and alternate Takes of “The King and Queen of England” and “Dawn”.

 

Disc Two features the band on blistering form at the LA Troubadour in 1974 featuring 5 Previously Unreleased songs including “The Ballad of Ned Kelly”, “The Hens March Through The Midden / The Four Poster Bed”, “Hexhamshire Lass”, “Six Days on The Road” and “Down Where The Drunkards Roll”.

 

The new Deluxe packaging features a new essay by Patrick Humphries and the lavish packaging contains rare photographs of the band and the previously unseen sketches for the album artwork

Thanks for the quick update, mate! :) I'll be looking foward to picking it up-- I've actually never heard a recording of "Drunkards" from that tour.  Am I right in thinking Trev is on lead vocals?

That would certainly be my Guess, yes.

Thanks, Thor Rune.

So, in other words, it's like the recent deluxes of Sandy's solo records - the second disc will use stuff already released on the limited big Sandy box, apart from maybe one track.  Familiar story.   :-\

Jules

Ha!  Right enough.

Jules

Looks like the additional Troubadour tracks are the Trevor/Swarb songs they typically omit from Sandy-era live releases. Yea!!!!  Still waiting for Fotheringay Deluxe...

Oh well theres another £11 or £12 bound for amazon

Is every FC album pre '85 now considered a classic?

DW

This is my second favourite line up, but *YAWN* another freaking deluxe box set.
I'm not playing anymore!

 Maybe not Gottle
It just shows quite how good they were

Not my favourite FC album but as my copy is a rapidly teabagging pressing of the original CD release I shall certainly pick this up. Disc 2 makes worthwhile on its own as I don't have the big Sandy box.

All except one.   ;)

Jules

Almost a classic but for  (sadly) Swarb's efforts Let it Go and Night Time Girl. both poor IMHO,

Peggy gets 50% of the blame for the utterly execrable Night Time Girl.  And they both get to split the blame for the uninspired Let It Go three ways w/ Sandy.

Jules

"...the audio from LWT performance of “White Dress” ???

Just the AUDIO ???

Okay...now, I'm sure most of us have seen the 40 second teaser of this fantastic performance on YouTube, if this deluxe edition were to contain a DVD of the whole song, i.e. visual and audio, then I'll be first in the queue to buy it. If the copyright holders are saving it for something then what could they be saving it for ?

Except I wonder how much blame should go to Peggy et al, and instead be placed on Glyn Johns whom I do not think "got" what Fairport were about. I always felt that he threw a very reluctant bone to Trevor for Restless and Iron Lion, and an even more reluctant bone to Swarb for Night Time Girl and Let It Go. Let It Go barely clocks in at 2 minutes if I remember correctly. I don't think he had any sort of confidence in Swarb or any desire to spend time showcasing him on the album. Certainly no secret what Swarb thought about him at the time, it has been documented. That being said, I am interested in this, and while I think Sandy's stuff will sound great, I would be pleased to hear Trevor's songs with improved sound.

And I will add I like Night Time Girl, just should have been 2 minutes longer with more of that fiddle ;D

Strange about Swarb.  He was on fire as a writer for "Babbacombe" Lee and Nine, but seemed to lose confidence once Sandy came back.  I'm sure, as Robert says, that Glynnis had a lot to do with it.  Even on the two Vertigo LPs, Swarb shied away from writing new songs, though he was back on form writing tunes for Jack Orion.

Jules

Indulge me for a moment in my pointless pedantic rage: why does nobody these days seem to know what "alternate" means, or that in contexts like this, the correct word is "alternative"?

Not in American English, which has become the standard in these affairs.

Jules

Well, for me, there's nowt wrong with the UNremastered CD of RFTM. I got this in a very early boxed set with Rosie, Babbacombe Lee and Nine.

As a Sandy-era Fpt album, I rather like it, but that's just me, innit? 8)

Well, it shouldn't have.  ;)

Same here but it was manufactured by the notorious PDO factory and is slowly turning brown and disintegrating along with several other Fairport & Richard & Linda Thompson discs from the same source and time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_bronzing

Damn right.
As for Mr Johns, I understand it was as a result of his attitude that DM left, and for that reason alone we should not be thankful.

Amen.

Jules

Same here as to the box set for those 4 albums but I had no idea about bronzing. Thanks Al for the heads up. A quick look confirms it for those 4 but my copy of Angel Delight looks in very bad shape as their is discoloration on the business end of the disc. :( I hardly ever play the actual disc anymore, instead I hook the ipod up to the stereo but I guess I will be looking for remasters of all of the above now. Thanks for that info

I also had no idea about bronzing. Looking at my box set of four confirms my worst fear. (Also found on many more from that era) Although I store and play digitally at home, I still like to play CD's in the car. Oh well, new copies for me then (starting with RFTM deluxe) Should be labeled with "This disc will self destruct in x years"

Keith

I've fallen victim to bronzing over the years, so I knew about it.  Mainly happens to first generation CDs made at certain pressing plants.  Thankfully much less of a problem these days.

Jules

Hmm.  Looks like it might be a trip to iTunes for the live tracks I don't already have.  It isn't that long ago I bought the previous remastered version.

Oh bad luck Al. I had about 4 bronzed-over PDO discs, and had them replaced by the company some years ago. They stopped doing the replacements after a while.

An album I listen to a lot and an album I love but as I've already got the big Sandy box I'm not at all motivated to buy this.

You can read the full press release (and see some nice photos) here:
http://folkcasters.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/new-moon-for-fairport.html

Thanks Widds, that's whetted my appetite.  I feel a (slightly) belated birthday present to self coming on.  Unless of course Universal manage to get some advance copies to Cropredy...  :)

Pre-order is available (Amazon UK only):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rising-For-Moon-Fairport-Convention/dp/B00DVH4ABY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374695933&sr=8-1&keywords=rising+for+the+moon+deluxe

Pre-ordered as a birthday present for someone. Thought I had better get two while I was at it!  ;)

Will keep my eye out for it, and add it to my newly revised Amazon wishlist with all my Fairport/RT CD's affected by bronzing added. Thanks as well Widds for the details!

Ok, at the start of the thread I was ambivalent, but have now been tempted to get this reissue by the prospect of a good quality live recording of the RFTM lineup.
Regarding the point I raised earlier about having the full video clip for "White Dress", who actually owns it and would need to give clearance for us to see it in full ? The 40 second clip on YouTube is a teaser of epic proportions...

Yes, I think my arm's been twisted too.

Jules

Finally got around to watching that clip Dan. It is indeed fabulous and long to see it in full some day.

Arm twisted, CD ordered.

Tempted, but still think that, having got a number of the LA Troubadour tracks on other compilations, I may just download the new ones and recreate my own version of the concert.  Apart from the LWT White Dress, the other bonus tracks look like ones available elsewhere.

I have pre-ordered this from Amazon, and have just been informed that I can download the MP3 version now (it's part of their new "Auto-Rip" thingy). So, that's what I'm currently doing.

Aha! Now that it's downloaded, I've realised that that's not what I was doing! What you get to download is the existing remastered version, not the version (with live tracks) to be released shortly. Rubbish.  :'(

I think that may be a mistake on Amazon's part. I wouldn't have anticipated that the new version will be available even for download until the official release date. Hopefully they will update the Auto-Rip database then.

Yes, I would definitely contact Amazon Peter, that is a mistake on their side of the deal. I've always found them really helpful in the past.

Thanks, will do.

Ordered direct from the official website www.burningshed.com.  Interesting to note that, according to this website "All rights remain with the artists whose music Burning Shed releases and more profits go directly to the artists than with sales generated elsewhere."     Much better than ordering from A**Z*N !! ;D

Not as cheap though and given that the album is being released by Universal, not by Burning Shed, they will have no control whatsoever over either the rights or the artists' share of the profits. Indeed, as they are selling it for more than Amazon I would guess that they are taking a bigger cut over the dealer price for themselves, no doubt because their overheads are bigger.

The Burning Shed price would contain a larger % of overhead, but also a larger % of tax!

Well, bummer, AmazonUK won't take my credit card... Haven't had this problem before, so it's a crummy time for it to start  :-[

I have had the reissue for a few weeks for review.

I wrote this review; http://louderthanwar.com/fairport-convention-rising-for-the-moon-deluxe-edition-album-review/

I hope that you like it. I know that TAW'ers have many of the tracks contained herein, so tried to be general and laud the reissue for people who may not have heard the band before.

I'm a massive FC fan, hence my (very minimal) presence on the board.

Dom.

Thanks Dom.
Why does 'a massive FC fan' not contribute to a board that is primarily about FC? You may find there are one or 2 others, particularly about early incarnations of the band, who bought most of the stuf first time round. :D

I like to read people's opinions Dave. I tend to keep my head down!

I appreciate the reissue debate of people already owning reissues etc. I've been lucky to have this one. Also own other versions of RFTM.

I've reappreciated this album after listening to it a lot for the review.

Well, this arrived yesterday and I have to say it is a nice little package. The music is of course excellent and the packaging reasonably imaginitive. There is a picture in the booklet of the band arriving for a Scandinavian tour in which DM looks ridiculously young and underfed!

Somebody made the interesting observation on the Mojo website that Universal have got it into their heads that the only saleable thing about Fairport is Sandy, hence this release and that the albums between L&L & Moon are unlikely to receive similar treatment despite the plethora of potential additional material available. I hope they are wrong about Universal's dismissive attitude but I suspect not.

A deluxe 'Babbacombe Lee' with a DVD containing 'The Man They Couldn't Hang' would be so lovely but so unlikely... Ah, well, one can dream  ::)

I'm still disappointed my AmazonUK copy wouldn't ship.... I may have to track it down through alternate venues (Burning Shed?).

do you not have any one here who could get the cd and post it on for you?

Not yet! Perhaps it would just require asking?  :)

could be

Well, here goes then!  ;)

Would anybody be willing to post me a copy, with myself of course paying full CD price as well as shipping and packaging?  :)

Any idea on whether the original album is newly remastered, or is it the remastered version that came out a few years ago?

In the enclosed booklet there is a review from the Melody Maker for a gig at Leicester Univ. The reviewer mentions the members of the band including Dave Todd on Mandolin! Was he a special guest or should it be Dave Pegg?

The 2005 version:- "Tape transfers and remastering: Paschale Byrne at The Audio Archiving Company"

The 2013 version:- "Mastering by Keiron McGarry at Universal Mastering, London" - however, it's not clear to me whether this refers only to the 2nd (live) disc or to both discs.

I'll have to listen closely to each version of the original album to see if I can hear any differences...

BTW, the bonus tracks on these 2 versions are different -

2005: Tears (White Dress b side), RFTM (Sandy demo); Stranger to Himself (Sandy demo), and Once More Chance (Sandy demo).

2013: White Dress (LWT live), Dawn (alt version), What is True? (studio demo), After Halloween (home demo), and The King & Queen of England (alt take of home demo)

No lyrics printed in the 2013 booklet.

Did they leave Tears off then?  That seems to be a bit of an oversight.

Jules

Yep, they did. Typical...  ::)

I suppose that at least that means we don't have to throw our old copies away....   :-\

Jules

Unless you have The Attic Tracks comp on which it appears. Presumably it is also on the big Sandy Box?

Not sure.  I can't even remember who sings it!

Jules

Trevor - I think - not in the box according to Thikkipedia (so it could be on there!) It also tells us that the bonus tracks on the box set version of Rising are :Bonus tracks

    "White Dress" (Alternate version)unreleased
    "Dawn" (Alternate version)unreleased
    "One More Chance" (alternate take)unreleased
    "Breakfast in Mayfair" (from The Man They Couldn't Hang)

If it's a Trevor vocal then it won't be on the Sandy box.

Jules

Yeah - my attempt at a lame joke,was Wikki can be so wrong sometimes,that it would be on it,despite it being a Trev vocal.
I just used Wikki as a back up to my memory,rather than get my butt up from the PC and go upstairs and check the actual Attic Tracks CD.
I long ago burned my own collection of Sandy vocal bonus/unreleased tracks from all the various comps and reissues,which was,of course out of date within a month!
As a result,I haven't heard Tears or Girls Of The Avenue and so on for years...sorry Trev,I'll put that right soon enough.

It is indeed a Trevor Lucas song, written and sung by him

Ah, that just goes to show how long it is since I last listened to The Attic Tracks! I can't actually remember the song at all.  :-[

Fairquote Confusion!

I haven't even listened to this yet, it arrived in the mail yesterday.  But I was wondering if I was the only one dismayed by the stupid
packaging of the wide "sticker-band" that wraps the thing closed and has another sticker atop that, leading to the dilemma of do you
try removing the sticker(s) and risk tearing or leaving a sticky residue behind, or do you try and cut off just that portion that keeps you
from opening the damn thing?  Why on earth they felt the need to add so much extraneous adhesive is completely beyond me.  Surely a non-sticky paper band could have worked.  I ended up opting for the cut carefully where necessary to open option, as it seemed the safest way not to be left with a complete mess.  Anyone else just remove both stickers, and if so, any paper bits or sticky adhesive making you regret the choice?

I agree totally about the stupidity of that aspect of the packaging. Having said that, the sticky band and associated sticker both came off my copy easily without leaving any residue. I think they must have used some sort of low tack adhesive so if you are careful you should be ok.

Both band & sticker removed cleanly from my copy too. Phew!

When those stickers first started appearing, you'd be lucky if the gloss finish on the cardboard would remain intact.  Thankfully they seem to have changed the adhesive since then, and like Gub says, as long as you're careful, you should be OK.

Jules

I noticed also the packaging follows the newish trend of LP-replica sleeve with NO PROTECTIVE INNER> (I'm guessing here, but it's so common). Thus one gets a scratched disc from the word go. Ship. Ha'p worht. Tar.  >:(

The CDs I really like are Japanese ones which have flimsy inner plastic jackets for the CD.

Me too. The JAps always do this. I don't get why other Cds can't have it. It's such a simple thing.

Just got my copy in the post.  I'm going to fire up the Troubador disc first!

Having run through it this weekend, I really love the Troubador performance.  It may be the best live recording I've heard from the 1974 line-up.

(Apart from no Sloth),it's pretty good,if a bit too much like a Sandy show promoting ...Waltz,than a Fairport gig.
Much as I love her and thought that the songs with her vocals on the ...Moon album were easily the best things on it,one of my what if.....ponderments,is would the album after Nine have been as good as it's predecessor if Sandy hadn't rejoined,and would that line up have stayed together longer?

I just read on the Folkcasters blog that for that album Johns was brought in as a producer and that he was more or less resposible for what was going to be recorded. He also did not want any traditional songs, well, the couple of albums before there were some traditional songs but most were original compositions so why did he veto it? Or was he hoping to reach a wider public? I can go along with that and the band probably did as well but what baffles me is that there apparently was a disagrement between Johns and Dave Mattacks which made him leave (if I have to believe what  I have read) but why did the band go along with Johns and not support their longtime drummer?