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« Reply #260 on: February 05, 2017, 08:22:11 PM » |
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I think we've agreed on a suitable musicaldescription for them these days back up the thread, which I pretty much agree with.
From a personal point of view, all the comparing to the old band each time there's something new comes along is getting quite tiresome. In this line-up, I think we've agreed they'll not revert to the old style, so simply repeating your comparison/dislike etc is a little pointless? Just repetively saying you prefer the old?...come on, there must be something new to say?
I agree Chris. The band has changed and developed the same as anything that's been around for 50 years - none of us looks/sound/feel the same as we did 50 years ago. I wonder if the band moans about us (the fans) changing the way we moan about them? "Oh you never see the fans dance any more - too busy lowering themselves slowly into a chair and rabbiting about their medication" or "Remember when our fans used to just go out and buy our records and play them before they made judgements on them?" I jest of course, but you get my drift  |
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« Reply #261 on: February 05, 2017, 08:53:51 PM » |
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I am jealous of you all hearing this, still waiting for mine to arrive. I will listen with an open mind, based on all my biases about this band I love.
Since the very first gig of Fairport's I attended and the very first Cropredy I was at people have been complaining in the same way, no good since Richard left, Bruce is not as good as DM, don't even mention the fiddler, not enough guitar, too many keyboards in the Maart era, good to know we will all have something to talk/complain about as we descend into the mists of the ages.
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« Reply #262 on: February 06, 2017, 06:59:59 AM » |
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good to know we will all have something to talk/complain about as we descend into the mists of the ages.
Absolutely. Which is why it's preposterous to try and stifle debate and opinion (and imagine that there isn't anything negative to say). I find it hilarious that people complain about what they see as endless moaning, by endlessly moaning about the endlessly moaning Fwiw, I will try and be more positive - you forget the position of pure love and fandom for the band that my feelings comes from. To expect me to just walk away (ho, ho) without a care in the world is unrealistic and insulting. They are what they are...get over it seems to be the message. Can't do that. But I do note that there is a feeling I (and others) are being too negative... I'll work on it. My counsellor says it will be fine (joking aside, I did talk about this in counselling the other day!). |
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« Reply #263 on: February 06, 2017, 09:47:41 AM » |
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I for o0ne wasn't complaining about the complaining per se, just on those whose main comment/complain is made again & again like an old record.
If the cap fits, at least try & make a new angle on it, rather than a general "not more of the same" comment, of which you are guilty, David, and I don't think you've even bought it to listen to it?
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« Reply #264 on: February 06, 2017, 10:10:29 AM » |
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I for o0ne wasn't complaining about the complaining per se, just on those whose main comment/complain is made again & again like an old record.
If the cap fits, at least try & make a new angle on it, rather than a general "not more of the same" comment, of which you are guilty, David, and I don't think you've even bought it to listen to it?
...but I have and it is the very definition of "more of the same" by virtue of the fact that it recycles so many old songs. I maintain that it is an odd concept and not what one might hope for as a celebration of the 50th anniversary but, of course the anniversary is an illusion. It is more genuinely the 20th anniversary of this band, which is a completely different entity to that which went before and which has its own admirers who also seem different to those who loved the earlier incarnations. Even so, for lovers of the current band, I don't imagine that the new album will be a long term favourite. The new songs are not their best for the most part. I personally tend to cherry pick from the albums by this line up. I can always find some stuff I like, if not the entire albums but it is slim pickings here, though I agree with whoever said that Step By Step is a highlight. |
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« Reply #265 on: February 06, 2017, 10:17:58 AM » |
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Constructive criticism like this I find fine.....but a one-liner without buying/listening to the *whole* album I think is utterly piointless and gets the thread nowhere?
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« Reply #266 on: February 06, 2017, 03:07:19 PM » |
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good to know we will all have something to talk/complain about as we descend into the mists of the ages.
Absolutely. Which is why it's preposterous to try and stifle debate and opinion (and imagine that there isn't anything negative to say). I find it hilarious that people complain about what they see as endless moaning, by endlessly moaning about the endlessly moaning My point was not to stop but maybe this is how we all have always related to this band. We have a vested interest in the band and therefore always have an opinion. It would also be less English not to complain and moan about what we are actually liking in some way. Neil, still waiting for the album so I can join in. |
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« Reply #267 on: February 06, 2017, 05:52:29 PM » |
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Why are we so scared of saying 'English' these days?
David we often agree but Sandy brought an Irish influence and Swarb a lot of Scottish influences and tunes. Can I say ,to others on this thread ,that I feel I have never moaned or complained, I have always tried to give an honest response to things like line up and new albums. It does annoy me that what I hope is objective criticism is seen as moaning, complaining or not being supportive. I am searching for reviews of the album.any body come across any? |
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« Reply #268 on: February 06, 2017, 06:22:41 PM » |
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Why are we so scared of saying 'English' these days?
David we often agree but Sandy brought an Irish influence and Swarb a lot of Scottish influences and tunes. Can I say ,to others on this thread ,that I feel I have never moaned or complained, I have always tried to give an honest response to things like line up and new albums. It does annoy me that what I hope is objective criticism is seen as moaning, complaining or not being supportive. I am searching for reviews of the album.any body come across any? When it's up on Spotify, I'll give a review of it! |
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« Reply #269 on: February 06, 2017, 07:22:28 PM » |
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Constructive criticism like this I find fine.....but a one-liner without buying/listening to the *whole* album I think is utterly piointless and gets the thread nowhere?
Calm down! Calm down! Is there any need for all this back-biting? I agree that it's good to express an opinion but if you don't like it no-one is forcing you to listen to it... |
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« Reply #270 on: February 06, 2017, 10:05:43 PM » |
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It is more genuinely the 20th anniversary of this band, which is a completely different entity to that which went before and which has its own admirers who also seem different to those who loved the earlier incarnations.
I got into Fairport relatively late (2003), my first Cropredy as well. I liked folk/rock/reggae/etc etc. My feeling is there have been some superb songs by the current line up, and some amazing work by the previous incarnations. I could easily enjoy a Best Of from the current line up, from any of their last 4 or 5 albums. Similarly there are songs from the previous 20 years I could leave out. They have changed, they do rely too much on Chris for song writing. But, they are not the same band. This is a celebration year for a name rather than anything else. Simon may well be the only original member but his influence was not huge to the song writing in the early days, so he cannot be seen as the guiding light. Dave has held a crumbling history together, often on his own, and for that he deserves all the credit in the world. But its not the same band. Mike and Keef can rightly claim the heritage of the stones because they own it from day one. Fairport, like Yes, are a name that continues, and we love them for it, but its not the same band. The new album goes some way to pulling the pieces together. Its their choice. We must respect them for that!
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« Reply #271 on: February 08, 2017, 09:37:39 AM » |
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British traditional folk rock...
This from The Byrds third album recorded between January and May 1966. Nobody could deny that this isn't folk rock, at least 2 years before FC's first album. https://youtu.be/Fe5V3-sWQeAI can't look at YouTube at work - does this have a fiddle on it..?   |
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« Reply #272 on: February 08, 2017, 04:52:58 PM » |
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British traditional folk rock...
This from The Byrds third album recorded between January and May 1966. Nobody could deny that this isn't folk rock, at least 2 years before FC's first album. https://youtu.be/Fe5V3-sWQeAI can't look at YouTube at work - does this have a fiddle on it..? Mumbles "neither does FC's first album" under his breath. Which made me check the credits on WWDOOH as well. Could have sworn blind that had no violin on it either. But it does. Played by Martin apparently. On what? Anybody near to a copy....? |
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« Reply #273 on: February 08, 2017, 05:03:56 PM » |
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Mumbles "neither does FC's first album" under his breath. Which made me check the credits on WWDOOH as well. Could have sworn blind that had no violin on it either. But it does. Played by Martin apparently. On what? Anybody near to a copy....?
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« Reply #274 on: February 08, 2017, 05:12:24 PM » |
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Mumbles "neither does FC's first album" under his breath. Which made me check the credits on WWDOOH as well. Could have sworn blind that had no violin on it either. But it does. Played by Martin apparently. On what? Anybody near to a copy....?
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« Reply #275 on: February 08, 2017, 06:47:56 PM » |
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British traditional folk rock...
This from The Byrds third album recorded between January and May 1966. Nobody could deny that this isn't folk rock, at least 2 years before FC's first album. https://youtu.be/Fe5V3-sWQeAI can't look at YouTube at work - does this have a fiddle on it..? It does have violins on it. |
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« Reply #276 on: February 08, 2017, 08:31:45 PM » |
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British traditional folk rock...
This from The Byrds third album recorded between January and May 1966. Nobody could deny that this isn't folk rock, at least 2 years before FC's first album. https://youtu.be/Fe5V3-sWQeAI can't look at YouTube at work - does this have a fiddle on it..? It does have violins on it. Too much violins in music today. What is the world coming too!   |
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« Reply #277 on: February 08, 2017, 08:59:03 PM » |
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British traditional folk rock...
This from The Byrds third album recorded between January and May 1966. Nobody could deny that this isn't folk rock, at least 2 years before FC's first album. https://youtu.be/Fe5V3-sWQeAI can't look at YouTube at work - does this have a fiddle on it..? It does have violins on it. Too much violins in music today. What is the world coming too! And too much sax... |
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« Reply #278 on: February 08, 2017, 09:00:36 PM » |
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« Reply #279 on: February 08, 2017, 09:32:46 PM » |
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