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Title: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Brendan on May 26, 2016, 11:37:58 AM
There is an article in Mojo, where Linda Thompson suggests Sandy was sacked by Fairport in November 1969, I wondered if anyone has any insight or opinion on this? Link to part of the article http://www.mojo4music.com/19696/sandy-denny-was-sacked/


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Jules Gray on May 26, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
That doesn't surprise me in the least.  It has the hint of truth about it.

Jules


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Brendan on May 26, 2016, 11:52:03 AM

That doesn't surprise me in the least.  It has the hint of truth about it.

Jules


Have to agree, just surprised I had heard nothing about it before.


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Alan2 on May 26, 2016, 11:52:35 AM
There's that Thompson's song:  'Did she jump or was she pushed?'.  ;)


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Malcolm on May 26, 2016, 01:16:13 PM
That is referred to in 'I've always kept a unicorn'.


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on May 26, 2016, 02:06:36 PM

That is referred to in 'I've always kept a unicorn'.


The MOJO article is lifted pretty much wholesale from IAKAU (as no-one refers to it).


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Brendan on May 26, 2016, 03:30:54 PM


That is referred to in 'I've always kept a unicorn'.


The MOJO article is lifted pretty much wholesale from IAKAU (as no-one refers to it).

I possibly should get round to reading that, after all I have had it since Christmas!


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Andy on May 26, 2016, 03:33:48 PM
Whether she was formally sacked or not, only the chaps can say, but Ashley certainly proposed it.

Paraphrasing from Pamela Murray Winters' unpublished bio of Sandy:

After a trip to Denmark that she turned up for 2 days late as she was drunk and AWOL, Ashley was adamant that she couldn't continue in the band with this behaviour.  “Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded. “Let’s just go on, just us chaps.” However when she arrived, all seemed forgiven. Upon their return to Blighty, Ashley left Fairport almost immediately, traumatised by a rough flight back on top of these events. Sandy departed too, setting up home with Trevor Lucas and encouraged by Joe Boyd and A&M, who had the publishing rights on ‘Who Knows Where the Time Goes’, announcing initially she was going solo in Melody Maker on 20 Dec 1969, but in actual fact forming Fotheringay, much to Joe's disappointment. He had requested and gotten a $40,000 advance from A&M for Sandy’s solo career but that was "frittered away" very quickly on Fotheringay.



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Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 26, 2016, 04:29:04 PM
Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Jules Gray on May 26, 2016, 04:44:24 PM

Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Bunch of sexist pigs, Jude, you were better off out of it!   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 26, 2016, 05:18:22 PM


Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Bunch of sexist pigs, Jude, you were better off out of it!   ;)

Jules

Just because I hated curry (which was generally the only food on offer by the time the gigs finished in those olden days) ;D


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: John From Austin on May 26, 2016, 07:21:40 PM



Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Bunch of sexist pigs, Jude, you were better off out of it!   ;)

Jules

Just because I hated curry (which was generally the only food on offer by the time the gigs finished in those olden days) ;D


Diva-like behavior!


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 26, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 27, 2016, 07:12:56 AM

Whether she was formally sacked or not, only the chaps can say, but Ashley certainly proposed it.

Paraphrasing from Pamela Murray Winters' unpublished bio of Sandy:

After a trip to Denmark that she turned up for 2 days late as she was drunk and AWOL, Ashley was adamant that she couldn't continue in the band with this behaviour.  “Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded. “Let’s just go on, just us chaps.” However when she arrived, all seemed forgiven. Upon their return to Blighty, Ashley left Fairport almost immediately, traumatised by a rough flight back on top of these events. Sandy departed too, setting up home with Trevor Lucas and encouraged by Joe Boyd and A&M, who had the publishing rights on ‘Who Knows Where the Time Goes’, announcing initially she was going solo in Melody Maker on 20 Dec 1969, but in actual fact forming Fotheringay, much to Joe's disappointment. He had requested and gotten a $40,000 advance from A&M for Sandy’s solo career but that was "frittered away" very quickly on Fotheringay.




"Girl singers are far too much trouble" - I wonder if those were the actual words used?


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 27, 2016, 08:09:18 AM


Whether she was formally sacked or not, only the chaps can say, but Ashley certainly proposed it.

Paraphrasing from Pamela Murray Winters' unpublished bio of Sandy:

After a trip to Denmark that she turned up for 2 days late as she was drunk and AWOL, Ashley was adamant that she couldn't continue in the band with this behaviour.  “Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded. “Let’s just go on, just us chaps.” However when she arrived, all seemed forgiven. Upon their return to Blighty, Ashley left Fairport almost immediately, traumatised by a rough flight back on top of these events. Sandy departed too, setting up home with Trevor Lucas and encouraged by Joe Boyd and A&M, who had the publishing rights on ‘Who Knows Where the Time Goes’, announcing initially she was going solo in Melody Maker on 20 Dec 1969, but in actual fact forming Fotheringay, much to Joe's disappointment. He had requested and gotten a $40,000 advance from A&M for Sandy’s solo career but that was "frittered away" very quickly on Fotheringay.




"Girl singers are far too much trouble" - I wonder if those were the actual words used?


Probably not. More of an assumption of what was said, as I doubt the writer was there when whatever was said was said. And that doesn't sound like Ashley. Anyway it was all long ago and I wasn't there either  :)


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Jules Gray on May 27, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Well certainly if Ashley is so wary of "girl singers", it's taking a while for him to change his ways.   ;)

Jules


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 27, 2016, 09:12:15 AM



Whether she was formally sacked or not, only the chaps can say, but Ashley certainly proposed it.

Paraphrasing from Pamela Murray Winters' unpublished bio of Sandy:

After a trip to Denmark that she turned up for 2 days late as she was drunk and AWOL, Ashley was adamant that she couldn't continue in the band with this behaviour.  “Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded. “Let’s just go on, just us chaps.” However when she arrived, all seemed forgiven. Upon their return to Blighty, Ashley left Fairport almost immediately, traumatised by a rough flight back on top of these events. Sandy departed too, setting up home with Trevor Lucas and encouraged by Joe Boyd and A&M, who had the publishing rights on ‘Who Knows Where the Time Goes’, announcing initially she was going solo in Melody Maker on 20 Dec 1969, but in actual fact forming Fotheringay, much to Joe's disappointment. He had requested and gotten a $40,000 advance from A&M for Sandy’s solo career but that was "frittered away" very quickly on Fotheringay.




"Girl singers are far too much trouble" - I wonder if those were the actual words used?


Probably not. More of an assumption of what was said, as I doubt the writer was there when whatever was said was said. And that doesn't sound like Ashley. Anyway it was all long ago and I wasn't there either  :)


I sort of thought that Jude, because the words used doesn't sound like the way things would have been expressed in the late '70's.


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 27, 2016, 09:13:52 AM
* late '60's!  It is very early in the morning!


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on May 27, 2016, 09:21:24 AM

Well certainly if Ashley is so wary of "girl singers", it's taking a while for him to change his ways.   ;)
Jules


“Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded...

It wasn't him, sir - it was the other boys...

As Jude says above - it doesn't sound like Ashley.


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Alan2 on May 27, 2016, 04:21:30 PM



Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Bunch of sexist pigs, Jude, you were better off out of it!   ;)

Jules

Just because I hated curry (which was generally the only food on offer by the time the gigs finished in those olden days) ;D


At least you didn't do a Jeremy Clarkson about it, ;) Jude. Or I hope you didn't.


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 27, 2016, 04:43:31 PM




Hmmmph! I wasn't any trouble at all..  ::) >:(


Bunch of sexist pigs, Jude, you were better off out of it!   ;)

Jules

Just because I hated curry (which was generally the only food on offer by the time the gigs finished in those olden days) ;D


At least you didn't do a Jeremy Clarkson about it, ;) Jude. Or I hope you didn't.


Moi? I think not... Read my autobiography *plugplug* ;D


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on May 28, 2016, 09:10:59 AM

Moi? I think not... Read my autobiography *plugplug* ;D


It's just after the bit where she clambers out of the back of Rod Stewart's sports car...  ::)


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 28, 2016, 09:13:27 AM


Moi? I think not... Read my autobiography *plugplug* ;D


It's just after the bit where she clambers out of the back of Rod Stewart's sports car...  ::)


It's true. I did... ;D


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Henry Tompkins (Pete) on May 28, 2016, 10:18:18 AM



Moi? I think not... Read my autobiography *plugplug* ;D


It's just after the bit where she clambers out of the back of Rod Stewart's sports car...  ::)


It's true. I did... ;D



Oh, so what's this autobiography called Jude? - he says, leaving the goal wide open for a plug!!


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: jude on May 28, 2016, 10:46:04 AM




Moi? I think not... Read my autobiography *plugplug* ;D


It's just after the bit where she clambers out of the back of Rod Stewart's sports car...  ::)


It's true. I did... ;D



Oh, so what's this autobiography called Jude? - he says, leaving the goal wide open for a plug!!


'An Accidental Musician'

available in all good bookshops and here as well ;D
http://tinyurl.com/javo9qc


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on May 28, 2016, 11:23:31 AM

'An Accidental Musician'
available in all good bookshops and here as well ;D
http://tinyurl.com/javo9qc


Appropriately, an anagram of A 'Sciatica Nuanced Limn'  
Yes, it is a bit of a quiet morning - why do you ask..?  ;D


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Hans Valk on May 29, 2016, 04:58:06 PM


Well certainly if Ashley is so wary of "girl singers", it's taking a while for him to change his ways.   ;)
Jules


“Girl singers are far too much trouble,” his bandmates concluded...

It wasn't him, sir - it was the other boys...

As Jude says above - it doesn't sound like Ashley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4NzUViSuKQ
In this clip from 'Folk Brittannia' Richard Thompson says "Sandy was high maintainance. We thought it would be an easier life with Sany out of the band". So I suppose that was the general feeling with the other band members at the time.

Greetings from Holland,
Hans Valk


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: arie on May 30, 2016, 10:44:37 PM


That is referred to in 'I've always kept a unicorn'.


The MOJO article is lifted pretty much wholesale from IAKAU (as no-one refers to it).


They're both written by Mick Houghton


Title: Re: Was Sandy Sacked? - Mojo Article.
Post by: Shane (Skirky) on May 31, 2016, 11:58:48 AM

The MOJO article is lifted pretty much wholesale from IAKAU (as no-one refers to it).

They're both written by Mick Houghton
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Well, yes, they would be.  ???

"MOJO’s story is an extract from Mick Houghton’s superlative new Sandy Denny biography, I’ve Always Kept A Unicorn, published by Faber & Faber." unquote.